get involved! - Come to the Stop G8 Network Meeting in London

wonder how many undercovers will turn up with recording devices and how many of them will get themselves into 'trusted' positions like mark stone/kennedy did at 2005 G8? i cant believe how much money was actualy spent on anti-g8 2005 when all along it was massively infiltrated. ffs.

personally good luck to anyone who attends and solidarity to you and everything, but im staying well away and will go with the flow during the week of actions.

the police will infiltrate this to death and, as was shown by mark's spying 'efficiency', the movement will get rounded at every step.

and before anyone says anything, no im not a troll or a cop or EDL or any thing. just experienced, thats all.

WTF is going on with this G8 organising, I means seriously? J11 - Carnival against Capitalism, are you trying to redo something that's been done already (it wasn't called that BTW) except in a worse, less contextual, and terribly organised way?

There is little to no support for this 'action' (what is even the plan - go to Canary Wharf and shout a bit) nationally and internationally (you can tell by the numbers and people turning up or not turning up to meetings) and there is not enough time to build it - assuming that were even possible.

The people invlved have got themselves caught up in something with no strategic idea, a bad plan with little tactical advantage, and underlying shit politics. Heart of capitalism, seriously...?

their having a go.

Here they come: "There's no point getting involved", "It's all been infiltrated", "It's all been badly organised" "It'll never come off" etc etc etc, yawn, yawn, yawn. Just step back and ask yourself - if you read something about an action you weren't interested in, would you feel the need to go online and slag it off or would you just go and read something else, more to your taste?
Seems like Stop G8 are definitely doing something right to provoke this rather panicky flurry of comments!
See you on the streets!

So... what is your alternative? Do you want to see the summit pass unopposed? And, if so, what do you think anti-capitalists should be putting their time into? What brilliant strategy is it that everyone else has missed?

If your plan involves creating an organisation of ~50 intellectuals who will then spend the next few years debating semantics over email lists whilst doing nothing in the real world, I won't be taking part. Anarcho ivory towers are an excuse to avoid action for the tired individuals who sit at the top of them.

If you're not willing to take action yourself, don't insult others who are. If you're burnt out, accept it and go on holiday - maybe you'll be of some use to the movement when you get back.

@ another person.

I really don't know what you're talking about some ivory tower organisation, what's that? I dunno about it going unopposed, if no great plan can be thought up that has widespread support then maybe it's best to let it go unopposed, I dunno, but the choice isn't to do this or nothing anyway.

But the problem is that it seems there are people who just want to do some rote, been done before action, that doesn't have the people enthusiasm or organisational ability to pull it off. Other people have raised suggestions of alternatives but it seems a small number of people had already decided what they WANTED to do, rather than what people collectively think needs to be done.

I seriously hope it is an amazing day that is a step forward for the anti-capitalist movement here in the UK, but the problem is, if it isn't then it will damage the movement (and probably individuals as well) and there will be no analysis, people will distance themselves from being responsible, and then it will all be forgotten and brushed under the carpet until the next time... when it will probably be repeated AGAIN.

Any criticism always gets slagged off as people being trolls or cynics or burnt out or just people not doing anything themselves, which is an easy way of avoiding the issues that have been raised. The people I know that have concerns are involved in numerous struggles, not just 'armchair critics' like you seem to be painting them as.

Anyway, I'll not comment again, and I hope it goes well. But there are massive concerns floating around that nobody seems to want to listen too, so if it's not the day you think/hope it will be, then the G8 organisers need to have a think about why, and could they have done anything to make it better and then take some responsibility for what they planned. But until then I wish you luck, and I hope it's a radical, inspiring day for anti-capitalist politics in the UK and Europe.

And people going on about infiltration are wrong footed as well IMO, that's just weirdos here on Indymedia being odd.

documented that mark stone infiltrated the last g8 protests and it is known that he helped ferry people to and from actions as well as organise resources. he evidently fed info to his handlers whilst doing it. the money used to fund the travel, etc, came from fundraising efforts in the run up to the g8 in 2005. please do not dismiss those claiming it will be infiltrated, as it will certainly be. but that wont stop anyone from doing stuff, it simply means that it is clever to be aware of what is probably going to unfold.

for example, with tip offs, the police are likely to be at every place that is the target of an action, this info will come from those undercovers attending meetings and joining groups in the run up to the g8. this tactic by cops has been going on for almost as long as any resistance group soince the 60's.

it isnt paranoia to note that it will happen again, its actually very sensible.

smash the g8, i say, but dont dismiss those of experience when they are simply posing a question of how infiltrated it will be.

be wise. think outside of the box. keep your face covered and your phone switched off. battery and sim out. change of clothes. etc, etc.

security is key to avoiding heavy infiltration.