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Bin Laden dead - real target Pakistan

S Dubois | 02.05.2011 11:30 | Anti-militarism | Anti-racism | Terror War | Birmingham | World

Don't be fooled. Bin Laden's been dead for years. The real target is Pakistan. THere have been some major changes going on in the relationship between Pakistan and the US.

Something very different is going on here. The US wants an end to Pakistan attempt to move away from the US orbit.

This is an intensification of the US attempt to destablise Pakistan. Pakistan’s president, Zardari, has already held an emergency security meeting. He fears a US assault against his country.

Westerners (and Indians) will begin to openly state that Pakistan is supporting Al Qaida at the same time as pretending to the world that it is fighting it. Bin Laden’s compound was near a major Pakistani military base. No one outside Pakistan is going to believe that this is a coincidence. There will be a propaganda campaign, not openly endorsed by the US government, saying that Pakistan backed 911. Fingers will also be pointed at Saudi Arabia. Relations between the US and Pakistan will worsen. There will be more drone attacks that will kill innocent civilians. Anti-government protests will break out and will be supported by the US and UK. There will also be more Taliban terror attacks on Pakistan, US bases in Pakistan and also against India. Tensions between India and Pakistan will increase.

This will be cover to what is really going on. Most people in Pakistan believe that terror attacks in their country is being conducted by the US. They also believe that Al Qaida had nothing to do with 911. They are not extremists and extremists got nowhere in the 2008 elections.

The Ray Davis affair provided evidence that the US is seeking to destabilize Pakistan. Davis actually killed two Pakistan intelligence agents who were seeking to arrest him. When Davis was caught he was found with information about potential Taliban targets, contacts with Taliban and papers suggesting that he wanted to pass nuclear material to the Taliban. The US kicked up a big fuss to get him out of Pakistan and they succeeded. But the Pakistani response was to call for the removal of most CIA agents out of their country. For years, Pakistan had been establishing closer relations with China. Also, Pakistan had formed closer relations with Saudi Arabia. They had agreed that two Pakistani army brigades would be established in Saudi Arabia. Not because of the stated enemy Iran, but as protection against possible US military intervention. Clearly, Saudi Arabia would normally depend on the US to military support them against Iran and not Pakistan. The Bin Laden affair shows that the US has drawn a line in the sand. They will step up their efforts to break Pakistan into four or five provinces.

BIN LADEN: HEY, HEY GOODBYE
May 2, 2011
Posted by Lawrence Wright
The fact that bin Laden was found in a compound in a wealthy retirement community populated in large part by former Pakistani military officers raises dire questions about the relationship of the Pakistani army and its intelligence community to radical Islamic terrorists. For the past decade, as America has poured billions into a country where about one in a hundred citizens pays income taxes, the Pakistani military/intelligence complex has gone into the looking-for-bin-Laden business. Now, they are out of business. If it is true that Pakistani intelligence was helpful in locating bin Laden, and kept that matter secret, then we can begin to sort out our fraught relationship with that troubled country on a more equitable, trusting basis. If that turns out not to be the case, then there will be a dreadful reckoning to come.

Read more  http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/bin-laden-hey-hey-goodbye.html#ixzz1LBq5Z8Xy

CIA ORDERED OUT OF PAKISTAN,  http://tinyurl.com/6erdtxp

"CIA SPY" DAVIS WAS GIVING NUCLEAR BOMB MATERIAL TO AL-QAEDA, SAYS REPORT,  http://in.news.yahoo.com/cia-spy-davis-giving-nuclear-bomb-material-al-20110219-224833-452.html

FBI SAYS THERE IS A 100% CHANCE OF WMD ATTACK DAYS AFTER SAN DIEGO NUKE STORY,  http://theintelhub.com/2011/02/16/fbi-says-there-is-a-100-chance-of-wmd-attack-just-days-after-san-diego-nuke-story/

U.S. IS A TOP VILLAIN IN PAKISTAN’S CONSPIRACY TALK,  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/world/asia/26pstan.html

CHINA-PAKISTAN RELATIONS,  http://www.cfr.org/china/china-pakistan-relations/p10070
Council on Foreign Relations
Despite increased cooperation between the United States and Pakistan since 2001, Islamabad places greater value on its relationship with Beijing than vice versa, say analysts. "Pakistan thinks that both China and the United States are crucial for it," said Haqqani. "If push comes to shove, it would probably choose China--but for this moment, it doesn't look like there has to be a choice."

PAKISTAN ARMY TO RESTORE PEACE IN BAHRAIN: PAKISTAN TO SEND 20,000 TROOPS TO SAUDI ARABIA, TO COOPERATE IN BUILDING SAUDI NUCLEAR DETERRENCE,  http://iaoj.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/pakistan-army-to-restore-peace-in-bahrain-pakistan-to-send-20000-troops-to-saudi-arabia-to-cooperate-in-building-saudi-nuclear-deterrence/

S Dubois
- e-mail: sdubois2011@live.com

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Evidence.

02.05.2011 11:55

Probably not a good idea to speculate too much about US policy on Pakistan as that obviously is about to change spectacularly.

Wait for the evidence that the Americans obviously have proving beyond all doubt that it was Bin laden that died and not some other 'profile' name the Pakistani's wanted dead.

Also, there are war-mongering voices using this story as an excuse to wage war against Hamas et al so we have to be careful about that lot, they are enemies of the people and are a serious menace. Some of them are even being given free reign to speak on the media corporations at the moment.

Sky News have even carried in interview inviting the repugnant Lord Carlile to air his anti-muslim views on national TV so we have to expect a great deal of irresponsibility.

As ever, indifference in the face of fanaticism.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


Dead Osama Photos Fake!

02.05.2011 11:59

Original Photo
Original Photo

Photo Flipped
Photo Flipped

Superimposed
Superimposed

Photo Ready
Photo Ready

Using photoshop, they have simply superimposed a photo of Osama bin Laden's face onto a suitable body... the US have many dead bodies to play with as a by product of their so-called 'War on Terror'.

Klamber


Evidence first.

02.05.2011 12:17

Sigh!

Why don't you try and be intelligent and actually wait for the Yanks to release the compelling evidence they have conclusively proving that Bin Laden is dead rather than reacting to the usual knee-jerkism that the British and American government rely on so much.

They will have it all, images, video, dna, the lot. And they will no doubt release this information steadily to counter the worldwide reaction to the claims they are attempting to make.

Be patient and wait.


Hold back please, this is important.


fcking brilliant

02.05.2011 12:28

Excellent news!!!
As for the photoshop theory: I think if they were going to fake a picture, with all their resources of evil and capitalism, they'd do better than yer average internet dweeb with 2 photos.
Result!

anti-fash


Bin Laden fakery, anyone?

02.05.2011 12:45


Klamber,

even The Guardian printed this one,  http://twitpic.com/4sa55u

sdubois


evidence.

02.05.2011 13:18

Yeah, i want to see the evidence too.

Why hasn't the evidence been released yet?

Is the British and American government stupid enough to believe the entire world is dumb enough to take them at their word.

Where the fuck are the pictures, video and evidence?

anon


Pass the bank account details

02.05.2011 15:31

Osama killed ......... wait for it.............. wait for it.........

Bang - the sound of the first book, blog, website (PayPal button top right) being produced telling us all why it's a fake / inside job / photoshop / video manipulation / lizzard people etc etc.

The same 911 nutters who have earnt a nice little living since that event are now ready and happy to take your money one more time with their 'research' and 'expert analysis'.

For me I happy one more crazed religious fuckwit is dead and I don't care that much who killed him.

Secret Zionist Bunker operative


"anticapitalism of fools"

02.05.2011 15:45

But remember, if the US says it, by definition it must be an evil lie coverup imperialism, given how the fringe of the anticapitalism movement has devolved into nothing more than pure rote galvanic anti-Americanism.

ah but remember


911 Nutters? The BBC?

02.05.2011 15:54

The beeb are pretty clear about fake Bin Ladens

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1711288.stm

Osama


Choose your references better

02.05.2011 16:15

That BBC web page says that other people are saying it might be a fake which is not the same as the BBC saying it is. The BBC has also reported that OTHER PEOPLE have said,

Elvis is alive
The moon landings where faked
Ducks can skateboard

Mossad task force - Jew Number 37


Conspiracy for Dictators.

02.05.2011 16:33

"Osama killed ......... wait for it.............. wait for it.........Bang - the sound of the first book, blog, website (PayPal button top right) being produced telling us all why it's a fake / inside job / photoshop / video manipulation / lizzard people etc etc. The same 911 nutters who have earnt a nice little living since that event are now ready and happy to take your money one more time with their 'research' and 'expert analysis'. For me I happy one more crazed religious fuckwit is dead and I don't care that much who killed him."


That's really lame and weak.

If the US killed Osama Bin Laden then they will have all the evidence they need to present as proof. No problem at all.

There's nothing difficult about this and there is no conspiracy. Just expectations that are to be satisfied. Nothing else.

We are all waiting for the proof and the US President, Pentagon and Whitehouse have a very simple task to perform.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


I can't imagine....

02.05.2011 16:40

....satisfying a group of online conspiracy theorists is going to be top priority here. Besides, if 9/11 is anything to go by, any evidence presented which does not support the conspiracy theories is usually dismissed by people with absolutely no expertise in the matter as 'faked' or is simply ignored completely.

Skeptic


Doubles all round

02.05.2011 16:44

What a great day for the 911 movement. Just at a time when their industry was in its final death act along comes the 'Killing of Osama Bin Laden' to give their money making operation just the boost in needs.

Osama - why he never was alive / never was killed / was killed in 1983
Navy Seals - Seen in Texas when they were claimed to be in Pakistan
Photo evidence (by way of a grainy video still showing a 23 year old Algerian shop worker)
Israel - Did they kill Osama / capture Osama / create Osama

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Note for 'Knot eyed jaguar'

02.05.2011 16:52

What can I say dude ? What with authorising the Navy Seals raid and Michelle like totaly dissing me about still smoking I just forgot to keep you and the rest of the UK Indymedia community up to date with developments.

I've just been down to the situation room and made sure that in future we'll be making sure you guys are the first to know about secret US military operations and the debrief afterwards.

Stay cool you guys in Great Britain Engerlandshire

President Barrack Obama
mail e-mail: ThePres@Whitehouse.gov


Black is black, white is white.

02.05.2011 16:57

"....satisfying a group of online conspiracy theorists is going to be top priority here. Besides, if 9/11 is anything to go by, any evidence presented which does not support the conspiracy theories is usually dismissed by people with absolutely no expertise in the matter as 'faked' or is simply ignored completely."

The US will present this evidence, or the US will fail to present this evidence.

There is no argument, there is no debate.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


@ Knot eyed jaguar

02.05.2011 17:28

What will you regard as evidence good enough to satisfy you ?

DNA, Photo of dead body, statement from individuals involved, press conference from US President ?

So far the US has supplied all of these things to the world's media, what do you, Knot Eyed Jaguar need to be convinced ?

While you are thinking about that why not let the others following this thread know about the website you own that makes money from 911 or the book you wrote that challenges the story of the London bombings of July 7th.

I challenge you to publish the URL and admit you have a financial interest in this story.

This will be funny


Evidence, yay or nay?

02.05.2011 18:04

"What will you regard as evidence good enough to satisfy you ?

DNA, Photo of dead body, statement from individuals involved, press conference from US President ?

So far the US has supplied all of these things to the world's media, what do you, Knot Eyed Jaguar need to be convinced ?

While you are thinking about that why not let the others following this thread know about the website you own that makes money from 911 or the book you wrote that challenges the story of the London bombings of July 7th.

I challenge you to publish the URL and admit you have a financial interest in this story."


You clearly have absolutely no idea who I am.

But on the basis that I should be pleasant and civilised I shall answer your questions/clumsy accusations as they are presented.

I regard evidence to be compelling evidence that proves that Mr Bin Laden is the man killed. The Whitehouse will know what 'compelling' means. As will anybody who prefers the truth over 'theatre' or manufactured consensus.

At present there is no evidence presented. I haven't see any image of Osama Bin Laden's body being released. If there are you can publish them here as a correction.

I can't make head nor tale of anything else you are talking about!

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


ah

02.05.2011 20:39

and why don't we have a notarized certificate from bin Ladin's autopsy, signed by bin Ladin himself? Along with an tape of bin Ladin narrating his own autopsy video?

PEOPLE ARE WAITING! NOTHING SHORT OF THIS IS PROOF! AND INDYMEDIA UK IS NOT FULL OF CRACKPOTS!

loser's game


courts wouldn't accept death

02.05.2011 20:46

@ Knot eyed jaguar
02.05.2011 17:28
What will you regard as evidence good enough to satisfy you ?
DNA, Photo of dead body, statement from individuals involved, press conference from US President ?
So far the US has supplied all of these things to the world's media, what do you, Knot Eyed Jaguar need to be convinced ?
While you are thinking about that why not let the others following this thread know about the website you own that makes money from 911 or the book you wrote that challenges the story of the London bombings of July 7th.
I challenge you to publish the URL and admit you have a financial interest in this story.
This will be funny

This will be funny is being a little hysterical. The question that he or she should ask is whether the evidence currently presented would be accepted by a court of law or coroner. UK law would want explanations of an unnatural death. They would require a body and a qualified person to pronounce that the person is dead. The qualified person would present an argument as to the cause of death. This would be examined by a coroner who would then say whether the death was lawful or not.

Get my meaning?

If you think Bin Laden's death satisfies this, they I'd be interested in hearing how.

S Dubois


Story over, nothing to see here!

02.05.2011 21:27

"and why don't we have a notarized certificate from bin Ladin's autopsy, signed by bin Ladin himself? Along with an tape of bin Ladin narrating his own autopsy video?

PEOPLE ARE WAITING! NOTHING SHORT OF THIS IS PROOF! AND INDYMEDIA UK IS NOT FULL OF CRACKPOTS!"

It is now being reported that Barack Obama is now saying there is no verifiable photographic evidence that any part of this story is true. (Russia RT, May 2nd 2011)

There is no evidence at all that US military forces have come into contact with Osama Bin Laden.

Its just a pre-election publicity stunt.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


The problem

03.05.2011 05:25

When I try to get others to use indymedia when of the responses I get is "the site is full of 911 mutters". I feD they now have a new hobby horse. The likes of k of eye jaguar and his I'll demanding "proof"

Sigh

Bill


Want evidence, you're a 911 nutter

03.05.2011 07:53

The problem
03.05.2011 05:25
When I try to get others to use indymedia when of the responses I get is "the site is full of 911 mutters". I feD they now have a new hobby horse. The likes of k of eye jaguar and his I'll demanding "proof"
Sigh
Bill

So, Bill, are you saying that if someone asks that a leading politician should be able to back up his statements with the kind of evidence that a court would want, this makes you a '911 nutter'?

S Dubois


double vision Bill

03.05.2011 08:21

'Closure' is the buzz word in the media. Osama Bizaden.

Why bury him at sea within 12 hours of his death? Is this the quickest disposal of a body in the history of mankind. His burial is akin to a gangland midnight burial at a motorway bridge construction site. 'Well, we killed him and then we panicked and thought, shit, lets hide the body before no body sees it'. Maybe it was concrete wellies.

Have I just awoken in to hell? Do they think they have won and can use, whatever lies they choose. Obama is like an Android zombie at the mo!
Or is this designed to bloW up in Obama's face, with allegations of conspiracies, in the election race.

I imagine that Osama was killed several years ago, some when before, the reasons for being in Afghanistan had changed from Al Qeada to Taliban, several years ago.

1 more Nuclear discharge into the sea.

KA spin


Some logic for your knuckled head.

03.05.2011 08:44

"When I try to get others to use indymedia when of the responses I get is "the site is full of 911 mutters". I feD they now have a new hobby horse. The likes of k of eye jaguar and his I'll demanding "proof"

Sigh"

Don't worry your pretty little head about this twinkle toes. The world is currently thinking as one. The US President has claimed to have killed Osama Bin Laden but has failed to provide ANY evidence at all to support the claim.

What would your thoughts be if the President made an announcement one day claiming America had sent a man to Mars? Would you want to see a picture of that man standing on the surface of Mars...or would the Presidents word along with the testimony of a grinning and well paid air force pilot be enough for you!

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


Dear diary, well its day two and still no sight of the horizon yet!

03.05.2011 10:55

Still nothing although there is a rather elaborate report of something that looks like "Strictly come Dancing at the Whitehouse on Ice" here:

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382859/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-photo-Obama-watching-Al-Qaeda-leader-die-live-TV.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



Knot-Eyed Jaguar


The Faked Photo's

03.05.2011 11:10

OK, I notice that some people have put up the image of Osama dead that first started circulation 2 years ago, and are claiming it has just been released by the U.S.

Guys come on, please do your research! This was front page news from the Times, Telegraph, Mail, and more years ago, until it was shown to be a fake.

Probably a hoax.

James Allen


Answer

03.05.2011 11:37

"Why bury him at sea within 12 hours of his death? Is this the quickest disposal of a body in the history of mankind. His burial is akin to a gangland midnight burial at a motorway bridge construction site. 'Well, we killed him and then we panicked and thought, shit, lets hide the body before no body sees it'. Maybe it was concrete wellies."

- You have put you own slant on this, trying to make out they are disposing evidence without knowing what evidence and/or photo's have been taken, and without critically thinking what might be going on, so I will explain it for you:

From the point of view of the Obama Administration, this killing is sensitive, and could spark terrorist acts around the world, that is why it is logical for them to bury him according to Islam, within 24 hours. Why at sea? Name a country that would take him! The Obama admin will be locked in stragergy meetings right now working out how to minimise any impact, or reaction from this right now, then they will release the info. Sit tight, wait for all the facts, then put your theory across if you still have one.



"I imagine that Osama was killed several years ago, some when before, the reasons for being in Afghanistan had changed from Al Qeada to Taliban, several years ago."

-"I imagine" is the key to that sentence, try to keep it evidence based if you can.

James Allen


@ Knot-Eyed Jaguar

03.05.2011 16:31

Having read your compelling evidence of a US cover up I am now fully convinved of your view. Please do set up a website explaining in greater detail how you were able to educate the rest of us. If you could perhaps undertake a series of lectures in church halls etc that would be even better.

I think I speak for everyone on the Earth when I say "thank you"

Impressed


Last hours!

03.05.2011 17:07


"Having read your compelling evidence of a US cover up I am now fully convinved of your view. Please do set up a website explaining in greater detail how you were able to educate the rest of us. If you could perhaps undertake a series of lectures in church halls etc that would be even better."

You do realise that everybody is laughing at you...right?

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


Laughing

03.05.2011 17:36

You mean you think people are laughing and believe it's directed toward me........

How very worrying for you.

Impressed


Yes, I mean laughing.

03.05.2011 19:58

"You mean you think people are laughing and believe it's directed toward me........"

No I mean myself and my friends are sitting here laughing at you!

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


Amazing insider revelation if true

04.05.2011 13:31

Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack

 http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html

S Dubois
mail e-mail: sdubois2011@live.com


Conpiracy Theories.

05.05.2011 13:15

"Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT."

Of course he's a conspiracy theorist. He works for the American Government.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


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