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Muslims reject war on terror

Simon Hinds | 19.11.2010 14:53 | Anti-racism | Terror War | Birmingham | World

The idea that British-born Muslims are engaging in Al Qaida, violent Jihad is inherently silly.

UK Muslims joining violent, Islamic extremism due to the English Defence League, or anything else, is nonsense.

Opinion polls show that Muslims do not believe the West’s line on the War on Terror.

According to a 2006 poll by Pew, in the least sceptical Muslim nation, Jordan, 53% do not believe Arabs did 911. In Pakistan only 5% believed the official 911 story whereas 17% of UK Muslims do. UK. Indeed, most Pakistanis believe most terrorism in their country is the work of Blackwater, a US military contractor.

Unscientific, 2009 poll claims that 3 UK Muslims out of 1511, supported Bin Laden’s war against the West. A 2007, Channel 4 poll showed that nearly one quarter of UK Muslims believe the government did 7/7.

We are told that UK Muslims are ‘radicalised’ by the Internet. But the same Internet will tell Muslims that Al Qaida is a branch of American Intelligence.

Muslims know about the Sparkbrook surveillance cameras and the lengths the UK security services go to spy on Muslims.

Given all this, what UK Muslim is going to believe the extremist Jihad story and become a suicide bomber?

• Europe’s Muslims more moderate
 http://pewglobal.org/2006/06/22/the-great-divide-how-westerners-and-muslims-view-each-other/3/

• British Muslim Poll
 http://britishbornmuslims.wordpress.com/british-muslim-poll/

• Survey: ‘Government hasn’t told truth about 7/7’
 http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/religion/survey+government+hasnt+told+truth+about+77/545847.html

• U.S. Is a Top Villain in Pakistan’s Conspiracy Talk
 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/world/asia/26pstan.html

Simon Hinds
- e-mail: shinds.n43nt@boltblue.com

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believed?

19.11.2010 17:42

"According to a 2006 poll by Pew, in the least sceptical Muslim nation, Jordan, 53% do not believe Arabs did 911. In Pakistan only 5% believed the official 911 story whereas 17% of UK Muslims do. UK. Indeed, most Pakistanis believe most terrorism in their country is the work of Blackwater, a US military contractor."

1. 2006 poll..... brilliant. only 5 years out of date then.

2. "believed". So, its not anything to do with fact then?
I think you will find that 99% of these same Muslims "believe" in the supernatural spirit world too.
So, forgive us, but we can hardly take their judgement as any form of fact.

3. Again, most pakistanis believe in some kind of God because it tells them to in a book.
I put it to you that they probably believe that about Blackwater because it tells them on the internet.

edger


Irrigation systems!

20.11.2010 02:27

The West is engaged in a War of Terror against the muslim world. Not because muslim's are paranoid but because the west has chosen to persecute them. This isn't the fault of muslim's, it is what westerners have CHOSEN to do. I know it seems silly but westerners are inherently racist and belligerent despite the enormous effort they put into convincing themselves that they aren't.

One aspect of this War of Terror is that psychological warfare is waged using the worldwide propaganda mechanism called the internet.

Their are many theoretical 'episodes' operating on the internet within the realm of this propaganda for instance, that the US Government and British Government are behind terrorist attacks in the US and UK. They are not. But they are behind so-called 'terrorist' attacks in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan because that is where they currently have military forces deployed in order to widen their strategic influence and global reach.

So what you have is the British and US Government's claiming the credit for domestic 'terrorism' because that is where they need to keep control of the local population in order to prevent a 'loss of control' and at the same time you have the British and US Government's actively taking part in terrorist atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan because by the same token, they need to keep control of world opinion in order to underpin the occupations of those countries.

Britain, for instance, is fighting terrorism...with terrorism.

The British and US have been rendered utterly helpless at home by freedom fighters engaged in the just cause of fighting western imperial ambitions around the world. British and US political imperial leaders have responded by attacking sovereign countries around the world by terrorising their local populations and carrying out terrorist atrocities in order to fool the worlds population into believing that they are engaged with fighting terrorism.

The British people, who generally can't tell shit from shoe polish at the best of times, have bought the whole charade hook line and sinker.

It is why the US and UK remain, throughout much of the world, imperial powers who have only succeeded in rendering their own populations fools and idiots. The western narrative is completely dismissed around the rest of the world as industrial strength propaganda.

Whenever you hear military leaders claiming that this war will go on for 50 years, whenever you hear media 'branded' garbage about Al Qaida, in the Arabian Peninsula, whenever you see 'interviews' with so-called anti-terror experts given by so-called 'journalists'...there you have the squeaking wheels of this western imperialism grinding away.

In the end, this war WILL end in the complete collapse of both the United Kingdom and the continental United States.

In the end, those who fought, defended, served and perpetrated this war...will become traitors to us all. That includes the fools who spend their time trawling around on the internet for people to piss off in the name of their nationalist fantasies. They will be the worst traitors of all. They will be the ones who will always swear blind, they were against the war. They will spend the rest of their lives...lying to everyone they ever meet!

It is these people who are fighting, not for their country, but because they have always dreamed of having their 'moment in the sun'. These are the children who grew up on 'judaic-centric' war stories of their parents and grand parents and who want to 'prove' themselves in exactly the same way. For these people, this war is a vocation. They do not care about the people they kill...they simply dream of their own private glory! They do this because they have spent their entire lives being stupified by their parents, their political leaders, their lack of culture and self control, their social environment and being bombarded with the endless and saturating 'message of capitalism'. One cannot spend more than a single day watching modern television without being overwhelmed by the feeling that one is polluted and effected by it. The British have never been more idiotic and worthless as a people than they are at this moment in time. Never before, has this country been more prone to the production of mindless drones so willing to go to war...and so willing to support war. Never before has there ever been such a reckless and mindless failure of government, the media and the British state as right now.

If we win this war, terrorism will finally be victorious and we will be completely defeated!

Better the devil you know, will not nearly be good enough to stave off what comes next!!!!

The British people, like the British nation, has all but disappeared. There is very little that is recognisable left. All that is left, is a quasi-Jewish "children of God" mentality with a throbbing vein of self-deceit and delusional insanity aching away where domestic pride and self respect used to be.

We are simply not properly aware yet, of what it is we have lost and had stolen from us...in the name of the new Jerusalem!

Long live the 'insurgency', long live the 'king'!

Knot Eyed Jaguar.


Reality Check.

20.11.2010 03:11

"And made videos of themselves saying "I did it"

At least they don't film themselves while doing the bombing and then call a press conference of their media lackies to show off their villainous work while laughing about the dead afterward's at Nato HQ!!!!

The only good patriot...is a dead patriot!

Me


Love these words, find their meaning, and return to God.

21.11.2010 22:14

"Face it, the whole idea of a supernatural "god" was just a myth made up in the past to explain (or really, brush under the carpet) things that weren't understood. There are no sentient all-powerful entities that control the whole universe, only basic laws of physics that control how elementary particles behave, and from which emergent patterns arise like human and other life. You don't have to be religious to see that much of consumer society is bullshit."

"I use indymedia less and less because of this kind of garbage it has been overrun by loons if this is where the british anarchist movement resides it is fucked fuck off scunman- I can look after myself without your G-d"

When God appears in your life...all becomes understood.

The rest of your writing is little more than science and the confirmed and unqualified bias of science. But I agree, consumerism is worthless and largely futile as a mechanism under which the life you live is to be understood. Consumerism offers nothing because it has nothing to offer. It appears as a creator of wealth as is defended as such but this masks a separate intention, the desire to formally organise the dominion of the dominant and to manage and maintain the strength of that domain.

The second comment is clear enough evidence if more were needed illustrating the desperation of the atheist. It is a hard thing indeed for the atheist to be challenged directly by the proposition that a more realistic and persistent reality exists beyond, and in place of, the borrowed, and false, reality of atheism. If it is anger that causes you to write the words you do then it is that very anger which you might consider turning against that which is controlling you. Why exhaust this anger here, anonoumously, on your computer when it is far more desirable, and rewarding, to place it directly at the foot of your master.

Do you have the absolute assurance of your direction in life without permanently being handicapped by an anger which is slung at you continually and without pause. Every day, every week, every month and year you are prodded and poked by your masters because it is anger which confines you and binds you to them. With that anger, your master and your soul are welded together. In the previous years, have you not been astonished at the object of your hatred curiously smiling while saying the most vile things. When you become angry at your target, do you not stop to wonder that your nemesis is so careful and deliberate when saying the vile things that they say?

For the atheist, anger is a mechanism by which absolute control is enacted. It is this anger which demands your obedience and it is this anger which controls you.

The avarice knows this when commanding your obedience, the avarice is carefully aware that your anger is his permission to own you. It is his permission to dominate, control, and act as your master. It is this anger which acts as contract between you and that which you hate. Once you show it, you are relieved of your soul and your thoughts are no longer your own. Take your political leaders, the squalid and retarded fool we had as prime minister not so long ago, delights in offending you, takes comfort in committing the most violent crimes, celebrates his black achievements and invites you to challenge him, openly. He needed your anger because he could not survive without it.

Understand that God is aware of all that every human being has known through every age of mankind. To be aware of God, and to allow God into your life, is to become married to that knowledge and to be given the right to explore it for yourself. When that knowledge appears, the avarice is exposed and what is in his heart is seen and viewed as clear as day. The avarice does not know this because the avarice cannot believe that such a knowledge exists. To the avarice, God is simply superstition, a fairytale fit only for children's bedtime reading. For the avarice, the greatest and most profound strength of all, simply does not exist because it is not wrapped in sparkling packaging, because its value does not resemble and mimic the false value of his fools gold.

You cannot live your life on your own, no man is an island. To live, you must decide what it is you need to survive. Will you trade your soul for an empty pot only to watch it filled with the bleeding filth of an avarice?

Or will you find the courage and humility to allow your soul to be filled with God. To know that the rules by which you may trade with God are not the rules you have been told. To find that once God is within you, even men of religion are not to be trusted, because the avarice is even prone to wear the uniform of the church in order to gain a flock, such is the degree to which the avarice has been dispersed.

Repent your sins and return to your God and be loved by him and learn to love your brothers and sisters. Take nothing as the truth until you know the voice of the truth is inside you. The world is full to bursting with those who have taken the truth, turned it on its head, and have given you day for night, and night for day.

You can do nothing, if you do not know the truth of what you stand for.

Sunman.


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