World Leaders, Generals Who Question US Govt Version of 911

the Sept 11 Truth Movement reaches critical mass.

World Leaders, Generals Who Question US Govt Version of 911

Lt General Albert Stubblebine, formerly in charge of collation
of all intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said a plane could
not have hit the Pentagon.
President Cossiga of Italy, former German defense minister Andreas Von Buelow, Russian General Leonid Ivashov, Fidel Castro, the leaders of the Egyptian
and Iranian governments, British Roman Catholic bishop Richard Williamson, leaders of the Japanese opposition party, many in European intelligence agencies, former governors Jesse Ventura of Minnesota and Walter Peterson of New Hampshire, Alan Hart, a former BBC correspondent, 41 professionals from the counter terrorism agency, Philip Shenon of the NY Times,

some of the hundreds of
millions who know the US Government lied and continues to lie about 911

The following in the 911 truth movement, including many US leaders, are listed at
www.patriotsquestion911.com

220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials a perhaps bigger list at
.

http://www.militaryofficersfor911truth.org/
1,200+ Engineers and Architects

http://AE911Truth.org
250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
400+ Professors Question 9/11
300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
200+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals
400+ Medical Professionals
Lawyers

http://l911t.com/
Firefighters www.firefightersfor911truth.org (Who suppressed
NY Fire Dept report on 911?)

http://0x1a.com

http://www.militaryofficersfor911truth.org/
www.rense.com many articles
www.whatreallyhappened.com one of the most hacked sites

http://PatriotsQuestion9/11.com

http://911Research.WTC7.net

http://911speakout.org

http://911review.com

http://truthaction.org

http://world911truth.org

http://911proof.com

http://truthmove.org

http://www.NYCCAN.org

http://www/911pressfortruth.com
www.csi911.info
www.william911.com
www.911debunkers.blogspot.com
www.911readingroom.org
www.911reports
www.9eleven.info
www.tyrannyalert.com
www.deceptiondollar.com
www.911omissionreport.com
www.911tv.org
www.thedebate.org
www.justacitizen.com
www.911sharethetruth.com
www.flight93crash.com
www.911bookshelf.com
www.summeroftruth.org
www.physics911.net
www.911docs.net
www.911blogger.com

http://l911t.com/
In addition websites
.Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Independent Commission
International Citizens' Inquiry Into 9/11

Why? to mobilize the peaceloving people of the US into
nonopposition to the invasion of Afghanistan 6 weeks later...
for another imperial base in Asia, for the antiMuslim agenda of
the Israeli government, for Chevron and BP oil pipelines, to
control the 50 to 100 billion annual heroin trade business from
Afghanistan, for copper for China as American soldiers presently
guard Chinese mining against the will of Afghans. Interestingly this would be the 2nd time in US
history in which 3000 died when the government either did nothing about
news of an attack or planned the attack in order
to enter war. 3000 died in the attack of Pearl Harbor. 3000
died in the WTC bombing. Winston Churchill
described the passengers of the Lusitania as 'live bait'. Those who continue the lie have
spent trillions to kill people, animals and the environment of Afghanistan while continuing the destabilization into general poverty of Americans.

A fraction of the military officers who have sworn to defend
the US Constitution and who state they have a duty to
expose the truth.

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD
Former Director
Advanced Space Programs Development
Former Head, Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean
U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology
U.S. Air Force (ret)

Lt. Col. David Gapp
Pilot and Former President
Aircraft Accident Investigation Board
U.S. Air Force (ret)

Col. Michael Harley
Chief of Standardization,
Strategic Air Command Wing and
Aircraft Accident Investigator
U.S. Air Force (ret) Commander Ralph Kolstad
Fighter Pilot
Former Air Combat Instructor
U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School
U.S. Navy (ret)

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski
Former Political-Military Affairs Officer
Office of the Secretary of Defense
Former Member of the staff of the Director
National Security Agency
U.S. Air Force (ret)

Lt. Col. Shelton Lankford
Fighter Pilot
U.S. Marine Corps (ret)

Lt. Col. Jeff Latas
Combat Fighter Pilot and Former President
Aircraft Accident Investigation Board
U.S. Air Force (ret)

Col. Thomas W. Mcguire, Jr.
Command Fighter Pilot
U.S. Air Force (ret) Commander Ted Muga
Aviator
U.S. Navy (ret)

Col. George Nelson
Aircraft Accident Investigator
and airplane parts authority
U.S. Air Force (ret)
Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS
Command Fighter Pilot
U.S. Air Force (ret)

Lt. Col. Debra B. Simmons, MD
Physician
U.S. Army (ret)

Col. James Uhl, MD
Physician
U.S. Army (ret)

Col. Ann Wright
Officer and Former U.S. Diplomat
U.S. Army (ret)

Dick Gregory, spiritual teacher and political activist, fasting
for 911 truth. www.dickgregory.com
Roman Catholic bishop Richard Williamson

http://www.pakistan.tv/videos-roman-...GxfNsKk%5D.cfm

Poster's note: Whether these planes which hit the WTC
were filled with passengers or were drones is still a matter of
debate.

World Leaders, Generals, Structural Engineers Question 911

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President Ahmadinejad's speech before the UN General Assembly

25.09.2010 12:00

Here's an excerpt from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech at the UN General Assembly on September 23rd, 2010:

"One can analyze the current governance of the world by examining three events:

First, the event of the II September 2001 which has affected the whole world for almost a decade.

All of a sudden, the news of the attack on the twin towers was broadcast using numerous footages of the incident.

Almost all governments and known figures strongly condemned this incident.

But then a propaganda machine came into full force; it was implied that the whole world was exposed to a huge danger, namely terrorism, and that the only way to save the world would be to deploy forces into Afghanistan.

Eventually Afghanistan, and shortly thereafter Iraq were occupied.

Please take note:

It was said that some three thousands people were killed on the II September for which we are all very saddened. Yet, up until now, in Afghanistan and Iraq hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, millions wounded and displaced and the conflict is still going on and expanding.

In identifying those responsible for the attack, there were three viewpoints. 1- That a very powerful and complex terrorist group, able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security, carried out the attack. This is the main viewpoint advocated by American statesmen.

2- That some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to save the Zionist regime.

The majority of the American people as well as other nations and politicians agree with this view.

3- It was carried out by a terrorist group but the American government supported and took advantage of the situation. Apparently, this viewpoint has fewer proponents.

The main evidence linking the incident was a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble and a video of an individual whose place of domicile was unknown but it was announced that he had been involved in oil deals with some American officials. It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire no trace of the suicide attackers was found.

There remain, however, a few questions to be answered:

1- Would it not have been sensible that first a thorough investigation should have been conducted by independent groups to conclusively identify the elements involved in the attack and then map out a rational plan to take measures against them?

2- Assuming the viewpoint of the American government, is it rational to launch a classic war through widespread deployment of troops that led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people to counter a terrorist group?

3- Was it not possible to act the way Iran countered the Riggi terrorist group who killed and wounded 400 innocent people in Iran. In the Iranian operation no innocent person was hurt.

It is proposed that the United Nations set up an independent fact-finding group for the event of the II September so that in the future expressing views about it is not forbidden.

I wish to announce here that next year the Islamic Republic of Iran will host a conference to study terrorism and the means to confront it. I invite officials, scholars, thinkers, researchers and research institutes of all countries to attend this conference."

dandelion salad
Homepage: http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/mahmoud-ahmadinejads-speech-at-the-united-nations-transcript-sept-23-2010-2/

Crazy

25.09.2010 12:10

This crazy heathen probably believes in outrageous theories like "the laws of physics," gravity and a helio-centric planetary system.

I'd walk out too if someone threatened my faith in the authorities and everything they've always taught me.

Phaedrus

Gotta love this guy

25.09.2010 12:12

Mahmoud, u da man!

The country on your eastern border has been invaded and occupied by the world's only "superpower", an out of control death machine in love with torture oil and stupidity.

The country on your western border has also been invaded and occupied by this very same insanely rapacious monstrosity.

Now this blood drenched bunch of crazed killers is hurling threats your way.

What does he do? Goes smack into the belly of the beast and lays some TRUTH on em!

Damn, that man is a cool customer.

camusrebel

Think how great this is for the Muslim world...........

25.09.2010 12:17

over a billion Muslims will see this.
They are an embattled group.
They have been bombed, belittled, humiliated, imprisoned illegally, occupied, massacred, left homeless.............all because of 9/11.

And they heard 9/11 may not have been done by Muslims, but their own disgusting leaders were too chicken to tell them the truth.

Thank you Ahmadinedad for giving these oppressed people some hope of the truth coming out to the rest of the world.

pfgetty

At least CONSIDER the following

25.09.2010 13:03

"2- Assuming the viewpoint of the American government, is it rational to launch a classic war through widespread deployment of troops that led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people to counter a terrorist group?"

The basic idea here is that the American GOVERNMENT would have to be extremely bloody minded to follow a policy that resulted in the deaths of vast numbers of "collaterals" behind which the "terrorists" were attempting to hide. Doesn't seem rational so look for another explanation.

American government? At least CONSIDER that the American PEOPLE are indeed that bloody minded. You expect a response from people here like "You just have some serious grievance agaisnt us to have attacked us this way. Let's sit down and talks about how we have wronged you."? If so you know nothing about the culture here.

Sorry, but any American government that took that tack would be out of office immediately. We're more like a nest of hornets. The response of people here that you should expect is more like "Were coming to kill you and don't give a damn about how many human shields you try to hide behind".

PLEASE --- I am NOT saying how it SHOULD BE but how it is.

MDN

Visulaise the crime.

25.09.2010 13:07

Southwest Asia 2000.

Southwest Asia 2010.

I have published two maps here.

One is a map denoting US/UK influence in the South-West Asian region around 2000 (before) and another denotes this influence as it now exists in 2010 (after). Turkey has been included in this 'sphere of influence' because it has an ongoing bid to join the EU (Nato) (circa 1987) and will complete this.

This before and after comparison is a snapshot which illustrates the changing face of the region as a direct consequence of the terrorist atrocity which occured in New York on 11th September 2001 carried out by, as yet, unidentified actors.

Longbow

Well now, this is finally getting quite interesting...

Sorry that most of you were not able to be at Ground Zero AND at the 9/11 Mosque and participating in all THREE public activisms on 9/11 as I was...but its all coming together in a fascinating way.

I cannot wait to CRANK the FAUX Peace Movements in the US when I will soon point out that they have to make some really difficult choices...

...to believe the Cheney-Bush-Rumsfeld-Tenent THUGS...

...or to give some credence to Ahmadinejad's perspectives regarding 9/11!

OH...is this ever going to be interesting!

love, peace and understanding...

...the foundations of...

9/11 Truth for World Peace and Justice

Robin Hordon
Kingston, Washington

Robin Hordon

British Roman Catholic bishop Richard Williamson

25.09.2010 14:04

Do you mean this British Roman Catholic bishop Richard Williamson:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7100299.ece

Now there's good company to keep.

And Longbow is lying again.

alka

And do you mean this Stubblebine?

25.09.2010 14:09

A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. military project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". He encouraged visitors to his office to walk through walls and has said that the ability to do so is a great idea, but that it would also be a disappointment, similar to levitation.[3] He features prominently in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats,[6] where he is described as firmly believing that he himself can walk through walls.[7]

Stubblebine and his wife, psychiatrist Rima E. Laibow, M.D., founded the Natural Solutions Foundation (NSF), "a non-profit corporation devoted to protecting and promoting health freedom". They claim to expose dangerous prescription drugs and vaccines promoted by large pharmaceutical companies, along with food contaminated by drugs. NSF lobbies against Codex Alimentarius and in favour of DSHEA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine

Correction.

25.09.2010 14:18

"And Longbow is lying again."

Would you please back that claim up.

The maps are an accurate representation of the region and the caption is an accurate summary of the maps.

Longbow.

Longbow is lying

25.09.2010 14:35

There has been no change in the status of Turkey between 2000 and 2010.

Correction via Alka.

25.09.2010 14:54

I have published two maps here.

One is a map denoting US/UK influence in the South-West Asian region around 2000 (before) and another denotes this influence as it now exists in 2010 (after). Turkey is included here as it is an existing member of Nato.

This before and after comparison is a snapshot which illustrates the changing face of the region as a direct consequence of the terrorist atrocity which occurred in New York on 11th September 2001 carried out by, as yet, unidentified actors.

Many thanks to Alka for his assistance with the composition of the maps.

Longbow's propaganda

25.09.2010 15:13

And is Saudi Arabia a member of NATO or the EU?

25.09.2010 15:51

Saudi Arabia is not a member of Nato. Saudi Arabia provides material support to the US in the form of air bases from which to launch air strikes. That qualifies it to be included in the 'sphere of influence'. This 'arrangement' was in place before 2000 which is why Saudi Arabia is included in the before and after maps.

See:

http://us.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL21541736?ca=rdt

And no Alka, Saudi Arabia is not a member of the EU!!

Colouring in

25.09.2010 16:04

Now Longbow has learned the use of crayons, perhaps he'll explain the relevance of his scribbles.

The answer.

25.09.2010 16:17

"Now Longbow has learned the use of crayons, perhaps he'll explain the relevance of his scribbles."

I'll do it in one word.

EMPIRE.

EMPIRE

25.09.2010 16:45

Jolly good. And what does that prove?

In any other circumstance, we ought to be exceedingly grateful to whoever got rid of the Taliban - unless of course you approve of things like stoning women - and of Saddam Hussein. In the world of Longbow, these are BAD THINGS. Much better to let these nasty regimes stay in power.

We'll make a deal with you

25.09.2010 16:53

Listen you squealing zionist nutter, we'll make a deal to agree with that last statement when and if the leadership of the zionist entity is dealt with in the same manner - ie pursued until completely and utterly destroyed.

Pot n Kettle

I'm a zionist?

25.09.2010 17:12

News to me.

So

25.09.2010 17:30

Not news.

If it walks like a duck, squawks like a duck and looks like a duck, then by God sir, it IS a duck!

McScrooge

holocaust deniers

25.09.2010 18:03

I don't think it's a co-incidence that at least two of these people are Holocaust deniers - Ahmadinejad and Williamson.

And quite what is 'the leadership of the zionist entity'?

As usual

25.09.2010 19:09

We want to talk about the horror of 911 (most likely perpetrated by zionists) and the house zionist wants to talk about the holocaust.

Zionists are one trick ponies.

X#@**

'most likely perpetrated by zionists'

25.09.2010 19:43

... says he with no proof at all. Then you wonder why Israelis get paranoid?

I suspect too many people on this thread would be happier on Stormfront.

nonny

25.09.2010 20:01

"happier at Stormfront"

Now then, what's wrong with a little anti-Semitism on an "anti-racist" site now and again? It's not like you're expecting Indymedia to live up to its principles, are you?

agreed but

Zionism

25.09.2010 20:48

"says he with no proof at all. Then you wonder why Israelis get paranoid?"

Why wouldn't the Israeli's be paranoid?

They know full well what it is like to live under the tyranny of Zionism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcGm-gxmxHw

Neil.

a quick medical examination

25.09.2010 21:04

So, 'prove' to me that you understand the difference between 'proof' and 'evidence'.

There is evidence aplenty that zionists were deeply involved in 911, you may want to imply that to suggest that zionists commit crimes is the equivalent of supporting national socialism and genocide, but sensible people see that for the smokescreen it is.

Try starting with the confession (televised live on an israeli chat show) of one of the ex-mossad arrested with large amounts of money, bolt cutters and incriminating maps by police on the day due to the explosive residues that alerted the trained dogs sniffing out their van:

"we were only there to records the event" he whined.

How could he have been sent without prior knowledge of the event?

But even this does not amount to the 'proof' you apparently require, as it is evidence only, but pretty damning all the same. In a court of law the only 'proof' is the verdict supplied by the jury who act upon the evidence presented.

idiot-finder general

Fraud.

25.09.2010 22:06

"In any other circumstance, we ought to be exceedingly grateful to whoever got rid of the Taliban - unless of course you approve of things like stoning women - and of Saddam Hussein. In the world of Longbow, these are BAD THINGS. Much better to let these nasty regimes stay in power."

Who got rid of the Taliban, and when?

Of course the stoning of women is bad...but a war that kills over a million is far, far worse. If you can rationalise the killing of this many people, then I find it impossible to believe you are remotely concerned with women being stoned to death. I think 'stoning of women' is just an unconvincing and very weak attempt at feigned concern in order to justify what is an appalling crime of the very worst order.

How on earth to you make your logic work in your head? What on earth is it you are missing?

We've certainly found the idiot.

25.09.2010 22:07

'There is evidence aplenty that zionists were deeply involved in 911' - such as?

'you may want to imply that to suggest that zionists commit crimes is the equivalent of supporting national socialism and genocide'

No - I've never said anything about zionists committing crimes. It's just that if you associate with people who stink then the smell might rub off. Like Bishop Williamson.

'ex-mossad arrested with large amounts of money, bolt cutters and incriminating maps by police on the day'

Let's have an [independent!] source for 'ex-mossad', 'large amounts of money', 'bolt cutters' [huh? these are suspicious are they?] and 'incriminating maps' [an A to Z of New York, perhaps? What sort of map could be 'incriminating'?]

And I see zionists 'whine'. Not like the more manly gentiles.

'In a court of law the only 'proof' is the verdict supplied by the jury who act upon the evidence presented.' Hm. Try running that past a lawyer. And on that basis, the zionists were not involved, since all opinion polls in Britain and America 'prove' them innocent.

there it is

25.09.2010 22:11

It's not a proper tinfoil conspiracy if it doesn't involve the ZIONISTS in some way, is it then.

and there we go

All falling apart now!

25.09.2010 22:30

"Try running that past a lawyer. And on that basis, the zionists were not involved, since all opinion polls in Britain and America 'prove' them innocent."

Somewhere between 40% & 48% of the worlds population now believe that the United States Government played a role in the attacks on the US in 2001 in partnership with Jewish extremists working within the US Government.

Right now, as a direct result of Ahmadi-Nejad's speech at the UN, media allied with the 'cause' are working hard to try to undermine the public realisation of the statements just made in an attempt to protect Israel.

We've been here countless times before Alka, what is your point?

Cross bow

25.09.2010 22:40

'Who got rid of the Taliban, and when?' - um... the American led invasion?

'Of course the stoning of women is bad...but a war that kills over a million is far, far worse. If you can rationalise the killing of this many people, then I find it impossible to believe you are remotely concerned with women being stoned to death.'

By this logic, we wouldn't have found fascism in 1939. But then perhaps Longbow sympathises with what the Third Reich was trying to do. Oh, and the figure of a million dead is absurd.

Longbow hits the bulls eye - not

25.09.2010 22:49

Opinion polls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_opinion_polls

World average 2008: Israel 7%; Al Quaeda 46%.

Still, we all know what 'facts' mean to a troofer.

The ole chestnuts, dispersed.

25.09.2010 23:02

"'Who got rid of the Taliban, and when?' - um... the American led invasion?"

Ah, I see. That would explain the news reports that aren't being broadcast about the Taliban who don't exist killing British soldiers who aren't fighting them. And that's before we get into ordinary Afghan's who are giving aid to them.

"By this logic, we wouldn't have found fascism in 1939. But then perhaps Longbow sympathises with what the Third Reich was trying to do. Oh, and the figure of a million dead is absurd."

No I don't 'sympathise' with fascism nor the Third Reich or what they were trying to do, but thank you for 'seeing' this!

The figure of a million dead in Iraq is now established largely because efforts to undermine those who put the figure forward (clinical professionals, doctors, surgeons, aid workers, nurses) by the military is now failing. But that was always going to happen. People will always believe a doctor over a soldier.

In war, all military forces will always under-count their deeds. No war has ever been fought in which this has not been routine.

what a bunch of bull

25.09.2010 23:05

But lets wade through it anyway - what's to lose.

You want evidence of zionist involvement - to easy.

Zakheim
Chertoff
Feinberg
Hellerstein
Silverstein

Just five names for you to put into your search engines and find out the details of their direct involvement in the crime and cover up.

Try putting in 'Urban moving systems' and 'Dominick Suter' also.

More and more police, military and intelligence officers - both ex and serving, in forces around the world are coming to the same conclusions and speaking out - it's a tide you can't stop.

You:

"I don't think it's a co-incidence that at least two of these people are Holocaust deniers"

So Williamson disagrees with you about aspects of the second world war, you call him a holocaust denier and that's argument over - well that trick doesn't work anymore, good luck with it (I think that is covered under the ad hominem one trick pony school).

There are plenty of people who accept the vast majority of the holocaust narrative that don't except the 911 narrative. What do you do about them - find other ways to smear their characters?

As for polls, when conducted they largely show that the majority DO NOT accept the official version - more and more are suspecting that israeli involvement fits the bill better.

Interesting that you contrast 'zionist' with 'gentile' - that assumes that all zionists are not gentiles, which is incorrect but revealing. And yes that particular zionist did whine "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." -

Congratulations though, have to hand it to you, you managed to move the whole debate from the crimes of 911 to holocaust denial - almost.

Shooting yourself in the foot.

25.09.2010 23:12

Would you like to have another crack at that and refer to a poll taken in September 2010 instead of 2008! Specifically a poll taken after Amahdi-Nejad's speech at the UN.

And try not to spend so much time on Wikipedia to gather material for your comments. Its unprofessional.

Recording the event

26.09.2010 09:28

Love the way the truthers seize on the claimed "only there to record the event" quote as if this is somehow proof of a Zionist plot. Let's leave aside the fact we've not got the full quote or context ( would love a source for it) even if it is accurate, is that in any way evidence? Nope.

The whole world stopped to watch 911 - hundreds of people in New York took videos and photos. And the witness statements show the Israeli guys only stopped to watch what was happening after the attacks had begun and local residents were gawping.

Dunno what the transcript's like, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like...

"Were you involved in the attacks?"
"Nope. We just stopped to see what was going on."
"Did you have prior knowledge?"
"No - everyone saw it. We pulled over to watch."
"So if you weren't there coordinating the attacks what we were you doing?"
"We were only there to record the event. Like everyone else - it was a major event and we wanted to capture it too."

If they were complicit in a super Zionist plot it seems unlikely that; a) their photographs would show them dicking about on top of their van; b) they'd announce it on Israeli TV.

Realise to some the "You're a Zionist!" "You're a holocaust-denying fascist" jibes may look childish. But it should be noted that none of the debunkers' evidence in this thread is pro-Israel. And the original post cites - as the one big example of a British "leader" who backs the truthers - a holocaust denying cleric. Oops.

Norvello

Smear indeed

26.09.2010 09:46

I note your list of people that you say are involved in 911. I thought you said 'zionists' but you obviously meant 'jews'. Maybe that's just code.

Like all your smears, I also note you give not a jot of evidence. It's all innuendo and smear, which sums up your technique quite nicely.

Bishop Williamson? I disagree with him about one aspect of WWII? That's one way of putting it. Well, the man has a criminal record, you might notice. Remember?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7100299.ece.
You have another Holocaust denier in Ahmadinejad.

These people are deeply nasty racists. They stink, to put it bluntly. And if you associate with them, you stink.

And the other name you flaunt at the top of the list is a General who frankly is loopy.

Oh, world leaders one and all.

And perhaps you'll give us a source for your opinion poll.

Dishonest manipulation.

26.09.2010 10:07

"And perhaps you'll give us a source for your opinion poll."

Sorry Alka, but if I do that it will just be used as food for more ad hominem attacks, ridiculing the source as anti-semitic or unreliable or you just won't accept it and will then change the subject onto something unrelated and spurious.

You are not a reasonable person.

I don't see the value of giving you a free education nor do I see the value in giving you any insight into how to defend the criminals.

Find it yourself.

im a subversive

26.09.2010 10:41

"I note your list of people that you say are involved in 911. I thought you said 'zionists' but you obviously meant 'jews'. Maybe that's just code. Like all your smears, I also note you give not a jot of evidence. It's all innuendo and smear, which sums up your technique quite nicely."

The people of New York believe that it is Israel.

Most of the rest of the world think it is Israel.

You are here on UK indymedia posting again and again and again, desperately trying to cobble together something that might just do to protect Israel.

And as other commentators have illustrated, you have an obsession with dismissing the truth on the basis of evidence, nothing is acceptable to you unless it is backed up absolute, overwhelming, rigid scientific proof.

Yet you support war against muslims, on the basis of nothing more than hearsay, guesswork and collective prejudice.

Do you understand why you and your poxy little Zionist friends are fucked?

You stinking manipulative mentally retarded filthy degenerate racist coward of a liar.

And yeah yeah, before you say it I just hate big nosed jews and want them all in my oven...

You fucking delusional fantasist!

anon

What a laugh!

26.09.2010 16:52

I can prove that 99% of the world thinks the jews blew up the twin towers but I'm not telling you the proof. Yeah right.

And I'm sure Stormfront will welcome your membership. Much as you will appreciate their ideology.

Cool. Where?

26.09.2010 17:10

"The TV interview is freely available to view over the internet,"

Cool. Where? Genuinely keen to know.

I think it says a lot about the truthers that they scream that everyone who disagrees with them are zionists or paid government agents rather than accepting there might be some sane rationalists who've seen enough of how the world works not to buy their Hollywood thriller bullshit and who think the truthers are just making the rest of who oppose the wars in Iraq and Afganistan look like easily dismissible nutcases.

long memory

26.09.2010 18:22

What is particularly amusing is novellos attempt to disassociate himself from his past.

Some of us have been using this site for a number of years and have clear memories of him proudly nailing his colours to the illegal zionist states mast. How times have changed, now he slinks in the shadow and feels the need to hides his allegiance.

alka sells ya

WTF?

26.09.2010 21:14

"clear memories of him proudly nailing his colours to the illegal zionist states mast"

WTF? When have I ever been proudly pro-Israel? Never. I think Israel's acted abominably. You've just shown yourself for what you are. You're just another lying truther.

@Norvello

26.09.2010 23:05

"rationalists who've seen enough of how the world works not to buy their Hollywood thriller bullshit and who think the truthers are just making the rest of who oppose the wars in Iraq and Afganistan look like easily dismissible nutcases."

The maps posted above by Longbow give a very good illustration of how 'rational' many have been in their opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Lets hope that this same 'rational' approach isn't used to counter the rhetoric of war with Iran.

One would hate to see the whole map turning black.

36% of Americans believe that the US government were likely to have either 'allowed' or 'caused' the atrocity of 9/11. That's 36% of 300 million. That means that the Truth movement has an audience of 108 million people in the United States alone that they can use to pressure the Zionist's in Israel with.

The Zionist's are minuscule by comparison, but the agenda is there's. How can that be?

You are slating and undermining the Truth Movement. Which is only ever going to help that which you oppose.

Not difficult to accuse you of being a Zionist is it 'Norvello'! Your comments, are only ever going to help this disgusting and violent regime that you claim to oppose.

In activism, you take what you have and you apply it to the problem. What you don't do is bitch whinge whine and moan your way into submission because you can't control your cynicism.

Your problem is you think you are rational!

Dismissing 108 million people in favour of the views of just a small minority that are the Zionist's is not rational. That's just rampaging stupidity.

It doesn't matter whether the Truth Movement logic is acceptable to you or not. It doesn't matter what approach they take to their work. It doesn't matter whether you personally approve or not. It is a question of numbers and nothing else.

Imagine what that map is going to look like to you if both Iran and Pakistan are coloured black. What will that map tell you then?

scratch a truther, find an anti-semite

27.09.2010 13:16

If you're dumb enough to accept Holocaust denial, you're dumb enough to be a truther. And vice versa. Maybe it's not so surprising that they'll defend Holocaust deniers like Williamson.

And it's particularly funny that they think we're too dumb to spot obvious code words. Disagree with the truthers and you're a 'zionist,' by which they mean 'Jew' - even if, like Norvello, you obviously aren't.

There are two kinds of truthers: the crazy theorists, and the crazy anti-semitic theorists.

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