"2 Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is a devastating example of the above. The more hopeless and defenseless the Palestinians are, the more vicious the Israeli becomes."
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Comment on Israeli Terror:
1.3.1 The more hopeless the subject of our terror is, the more we are inclined to face our relentless viciousness first hand.
2 Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is a devastating example of the above. The more hopeless and defenseless the Palestinians are, the more vicious the Israeli becomes.
2.1 And yet, the more vicious the Israeli is, the more he or she is horrified by ‘terror’.
3 In reality, the Israelis are actually horrified by their own cruelty which they project onto others.
4 The recent cold-blooded murder of 11 peace activists in the high seas by Israeli Navy commandos was nothing but a shocking exposure of that lethal dynamic. The more ethically transparent, innocent and harmless the humanitarian mission to Gaza is, the more lethal the Israeli becomes.
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OMG so true. Share widely. Joe
1.3.1 The more hopeless the subject of our terror is, the more we are inclined to face our relentless viciousness first hand.
2 Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is a devastating example of the above. The more hopeless and defenseless the Palestinians are, the more vicious the Israeli becomes.
2.1 And yet, the more vicious the Israeli is, the more he or she is horrified by ‘terror’.
3 In reality, the Israelis are actually horrified by their own cruelty which they project onto others.
4 The recent cold-blooded murder of 11 peace activists in the high seas by Israeli Navy commandos was nothing but a shocking exposure of that lethal dynamic. The more ethically transparent, innocent and harmless the humanitarian mission to Gaza is, the more lethal the Israeli becomes.
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OMG so true. Share widely. Joe
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Moderators - please take this down
18.07.2010 09:02
With this kind of random posting indymedia takes more and more time to trawl to find the useful Independent stuff.
a weary indymedia reader
why do you hate
18.07.2010 11:29
happy indymedia reader
Good Post
18.07.2010 12:22
A sin is that which you do not like to talk about.
Klamber
your wrong
18.07.2010 12:53
It is also worth noting that Israel show remarkable restraint. They could (if they choose) wipe off their enemies from the map. If Hamas had the same ability of weaponary, Im sure they wouldn't be so restrained and civilised.
blenet
The Palestinians Lived In Peace
18.07.2010 13:16
Klamber
time to move forward
18.07.2010 15:02
don't be silly
One dimensional thinking
18.07.2010 16:08
A very good example of the one dimensional thinking that has led Israel to this point. In a world of chocolate boxes and rose tinted spectacles Israel could wipe its enemies off the map but how does this work in a world in which Israel needs public opinion on its side first?
What would be the consequences for Israel if it fell into a violent orgy of self doubt and crippling brutality?
The consequences would be devastating worldwide!
So no, Israel cannot wipe its enemies off the map, so any measure of self restraint that it has declared...is entirely false and based on nonsense. Israel is nothing more than the South Africa of its day, doomed to failure & waiting to be consigned to the dustbin of history.
In the future, we will all be saying the same thing, "Remember Israel, what the hell was that about?"...and the tragedy of it is, that some of us gentiles will know the answer!
Longbow
one small snag
18.07.2010 21:39
Snag - what about the 7 million people who live there? Ah, perhaps you have a Final Solution ...
eichmann
re: one small snag
18.07.2010 21:59
sorry, you fail at witty comments.
anon
Snag 2
18.07.2010 23:11
7 million people live in Israel?
The population of London is 7 million too!
And forgive me if I'm wrong, but Londoner's do not have their own private nuclear weapons stockpile, its own Navy, Air force and army.
Can you understand why we think Israel is a dysfunctional failure?
Londoner
failing at witty comments
18.07.2010 23:16
The white government in SA was a minority within its own borders. Note the last four words. Israel is not ruled by a minority within its own borders - it is arguably the most democratic state in the Middle East [and if you try to deny that, name me one which is more democratic].
You might go on to say that the territory known as Israel is just one part of a much larger area, and if they were united then the current population would indeed be a minority ... but why should it be united? 7 million is a perfectly viable state.
No doubt you can come back with lurid stories of people being dispossessed from their homes by the evil Je ... sorry, Zionists ... in 1948. Well, if every country that dispossessed people in the last hundred years was illegitimate, then that would include a fair number - including Russia and Poland.
eichmann
Gosh! Only seven million people!
19.07.2010 08:10
'The population of London is 7 million too! And forgive me if I'm wrong, but Londoner's do not have their own private nuclear weapons stockpile, its own Navy, Air force and army. Can you understand why we think Israel is a dysfunctional failure?'
Not really. Only 7 million. Damn, there goes Scottish independence then.
Let's try:
Bulgaria 7.7million, Denmark 5.4, Estonia 1.4, Finland 5.3, Ireland 4.2 (I always knew de Valera was wrong), Slovakia 5.4 million ... and so on.
Obviously, all them with their own Navy, Army, Air Force, dysfunctional states. Or not.
Which shows why, where Israel is concerned, hysteria replaces analysis.
fact checker
not a zionist, just not into random reposts from mainstream sources
19.07.2010 08:17
For this I am suddenly a Zionist who hates the Palestinians!
I said specifically that my comment had nothing to do with palestine/isreal but was to do with the newsfeed filling up with posts with no functional content. I myself have organised medical aid to Palestine, been on many demos against the Israeli state massacres and have many friends who have been active in ISM. As an anarchist I am against the Israeli state and all states - i.e. I am not a Zionist!
I am however someone who checks indymedia in the morning before going to work and increasingly am finding it difficult to find useful info (including about Palestine) on the indymedia newsfeed because its increasingly filled up with random stuff such as the post in question, full reposts from mainstream news websites, adverts for watches etc and posts from local town indymedia sites about events only folks in those towns are likely to attend...
This is a shame because such fluff is beginning to turn an amazing resource into a waste of time...
weary indymedia reader (again)
Wrong again Shylock!
19.07.2010 12:40
None of those countries has Nuclear weapons. Perhaps you need to swat up!
Those are countries that don't have Israel's social problems. They are not tormenting their neighbours because they want the land. They don't routinely carry out state sanctioned murder and call it self defence. They do not spend their time engineering terrorism only to throw their hands up in front of the world in disgust at terrorism.
I think the comparison with apartheid South Africa is a good one to use. That too was a cruel, belligerent, deviant, dishonest & abhorrent racist state with nothing but contempt for humanity. That too had a strong vein of racism at its core. That too saw the blacks as inferior stock that had to be controlled with violence. That too withered under the weight of international public opinion, that too was abandoned by God.
When God said "Build me a nation", he surely never meant this!
And lets get one thing clear as one of the other posters is clearly itching to turn this conversation into anti-semitic rubbish, its not the lovely jews who are the problem, it is the extremists in their ranks who are the problem, the reptillian Zionist.
Those people are exactly the same as the De'Clerk mob!
I hate Zionists, I love Jews
SA = Israel. Israel = SA
19.07.2010 13:00
But its currently trying to eradicate HAMAS, which is democratically elected, what kind of Democracy kills democracy?
Israel is dysfunctional because it knows deep down that it is fundamentally illegitimate. It is just passing off what it really knows to be true to a world that is always going to see the truth.
If Israel wants to try to get by with murder because it wrongly believes that PR will fix everything after the murder is done then Israel is only ever going to get the finger. Same thing happened in SA and look what happened to them.
You need to understand, supporter of Israel, that you can't treat us like this, the only reason Israel continues to exist is because world opinion allows it. If we turn against you, you are utterly and completely finished. There is nothing you can do to prevent this.
So start talking sense...boy!
Londoner
ah, the loonies are out today ...
19.07.2010 13:54
And they don't have Israel's social problems. Which are what exactly?
Now obviously what Israel should do is to take a leaf from the world's civilised states such as China [Tibet anyone?], India [Kashmir anyone?], Russia [Konigsberg anyone]. Funny how we don't see these being criticised for being 'dysfunctional'.
'That too was a cruel, belligerent, deviant, dishonest & abhorrent racist state with nothing but contempt for humanity.' Actually, I think that's a good description of China today.
As for Londoner:
'But its currently trying to eradicate HAMAS, which is democratically elected, what kind of Democracy kills democracy?'
And you're now going to try to persuade me in less than 100 words that HAMAS isn't trying to eradicate Israel ...
And he obviously thinks he speaks for The World: 'If we turn against you, you are utterly and completely finished.' Yes, indeed. I'm sure he's ready with the Final Solution.
eichmann
same ole same ole
19.07.2010 14:16
What a truly infantile thing to say. Do you live in hope that the fascists might one day come back?
Is that the only way you can impress Grandma?
Zac Cohen
intellectually challenged Zac
19.07.2010 14:51
eichmann
What?
19.07.2010 15:06
I think its very clear what you mean. And that comment didn't go over my head, it dropped to the floor and fizzled out miserably.
Zac Cohen
Thats the ticket.
19.07.2010 15:50
Just promise me one thing...
Keep repeating this, over and over again.
Londoner
walter mitty talk
19.07.2010 16:07
I'm not sure how these people would actually get round to consigning Israel to the dustbin of history.
I think its a mute point. Most of these people don't have any muscle or weaponary, so marching into Israel to take it over would probably be met by some well trained armed forces who would soon overpower them.
I doubt your typical left-protestor has the means to do what they say. Nothing more than a daydream.
indigo
Behind you.
19.07.2010 16:38
I think its a mute point. Most of these people don't have any muscle or weaponary, so marching into Israel to take it over would probably be met by some well trained armed forces who would soon overpower them. I doubt your typical left-protestor has the means to do what they say. Nothing more than a daydream.
Yes I remember the invasion of South Africa very well! The sight of Cape Town with tanks and infantry rolling through the streets, the scenes of jubilation by the blacks as they were liberated from tyranny. De Clerk surrendering the country to the international community. The ticker-tape parades as our armed forces returned as heroes.
Heady days!
On the other hand?
Bleach
knobhead
19.07.2010 17:37
And their armed forces are vastly superior to SA. I bet you havnt even been there.
So good luck with forcing Israel to do what you want it to do. Join the queue behind palestine lol!
I would imagine Israel will just shoot you if you did manage to pose somekind of threat
indigo
Oh dear!
19.07.2010 17:59
Well I do declare, that's not very sociable...is it?
Londoner
im sure you can cope
19.07.2010 19:34
indigo
Tis not.
19.07.2010 20:54
No it isn't, not only are you defending murderers, but you've called someone a knobhead.
Is there no end to your depravity?
Londoner
Hey, Indymedia editors
19.07.2010 22:41
wake up already