There are a number of articles and blogs claiming that the English Defence League [EDL] are a state founded and state funded trap. People from the left and right wing are saying that the something about EDL doesn't add up. Many are saying [probably rightly] that they are a front for MI5 and Special Branch. If that's the case do Muslims, mosques and others have the right to prosecute MI5 for racism?
Are the heads of MI5, Special Branch, NETCU etc behind this? Is tax payers money that could be used to keep people and property safe being mis spent on a state sponsored trap? Are MI5 deliberatly stirring up racial hatred? Are the EDL formed to trap football fans etc before the Olympics? [Possibly]. If this is the case the state will have reason to inflict control orders or emergency measures on sports fans [and working class / underclass areas] before and during the Olympics.
The Elections are due, could this be a ruse by the current government to discredit the British National Party? Are they trying to get the BNP proscribed by creating a uniform wearing, demonstrating, political "BNP" thug outfit?
Are they trying to get Muslim youth to mobilise? Is this a trap to get THEM?
What is clearly unusual about this is that BNP's Chris Renton is a key player but the youth leader Joel Titus is Black and the facebook admins are Black and Asian. Chris Renton is said to organise the internet side of things with them. Why would someone from the BNP [a gold card member] be behind such a group?
The placards used by the EDL all look like they've been done as a joke. The "Gert" placards...Geert Wilders spelled wrongly. The Burka placards which use a picture of a man in a burka. The "serious" website that tells people not to sing the Allah songs etc. Yet there are very articulate, well read and educated people writing about Islam on the website.
Most of the people on the marches are working class lads [mostly men although some women] who are gald to be a part of something "for us". A lot of money has been put into and is being made out of this...for what?
Experienced activists are saying that there is something not right about the EDL. Bloggers have pictures of the riot police taking away Weyman Bennet with the caption : "This is how the EDL deal with lard arse" implying that they think that the EDL are the police or run by the police. If they are the police then the police are running around attacking Muslims and smashing up shops. It has been said before that the head of MI5 has links to David Irving and dodgy oil connections. Could he be behind the EDL attacks? Is he using the EDL to get at Muslims AND the British National Party? Two birds with one stone.
Some claim that they are UAF. Even Nick Griffin has denounced them as a state set up. He could be right. If it turns out that he is right, how mnay EDL are in on it? Something sure is strange about the English Defence League, that much is true and alot of people are saying it. While a lot of groups get accused of this..this is far more apparent with the EDL than with any other group.
The Elections are due, could this be a ruse by the current government to discredit the British National Party? Are they trying to get the BNP proscribed by creating a uniform wearing, demonstrating, political "BNP" thug outfit?
Are they trying to get Muslim youth to mobilise? Is this a trap to get THEM?
What is clearly unusual about this is that BNP's Chris Renton is a key player but the youth leader Joel Titus is Black and the facebook admins are Black and Asian. Chris Renton is said to organise the internet side of things with them. Why would someone from the BNP [a gold card member] be behind such a group?
The placards used by the EDL all look like they've been done as a joke. The "Gert" placards...Geert Wilders spelled wrongly. The Burka placards which use a picture of a man in a burka. The "serious" website that tells people not to sing the Allah songs etc. Yet there are very articulate, well read and educated people writing about Islam on the website.
Most of the people on the marches are working class lads [mostly men although some women] who are gald to be a part of something "for us". A lot of money has been put into and is being made out of this...for what?
Experienced activists are saying that there is something not right about the EDL. Bloggers have pictures of the riot police taking away Weyman Bennet with the caption : "This is how the EDL deal with lard arse" implying that they think that the EDL are the police or run by the police. If they are the police then the police are running around attacking Muslims and smashing up shops. It has been said before that the head of MI5 has links to David Irving and dodgy oil connections. Could he be behind the EDL attacks? Is he using the EDL to get at Muslims AND the British National Party? Two birds with one stone.
Some claim that they are UAF. Even Nick Griffin has denounced them as a state set up. He could be right. If it turns out that he is right, how mnay EDL are in on it? Something sure is strange about the English Defence League, that much is true and alot of people are saying it. While a lot of groups get accused of this..this is far more apparent with the EDL than with any other group.
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sheffield nick
25.03.2010 00:10
will the grass be cut down?
Not sure what's the worse this..or the "Richard Barnbrook Murders".
25.03.2010 01:49
Anything is possible with the police. They even tried to claim that police infiltrators killed Ian Tomlinson.
So many people are saying this about the EDL that Tintagel House will more than likely be looking into it and "whoever is behind it" before long if they are not already.
anon
hmmm...
25.03.2010 09:16
get real
@Sheffield Nick
25.03.2010 12:53
Sheffield Jim
The state sponsored "strategy of tension"
25.03.2010 13:48
Also there is evidence that their "arch rival", ISLAM4ALL, is also a state sponsored group.
This kind of thing isn't new - remember the "strategy of tension" and Gladio:
I don't see however how the London Olympics or UAF play much of a role in this matter.
Remember Gladio
Dont be so stupid
25.03.2010 18:43
Antifa
Could well be true
25.03.2010 19:12
Personally, I don't know if the EDL are state-sponsored or not, but there are certainly a lot of suspicious elements here. They're just so bloody convenient for the state, with their pro-military, pro-Israel politics - the latter is particularly unusual on the 'traditional' far right and also not something you'd imagine a bunch of working class lads would have bothered including in their "patriotic" repertoire.
It's almost as if someone has decided the state needs a "mob" of its own on the streets and they've invented one that would ideally suit their purposes. It reminds me of The Sun and the way that has worked at creating a "working class" self-image that is ignorant, reactionary, anti-union etc. The people who put it together are middle-class career journalists, of course, and in the same way you get the feeling that the EDL is an artificial creation.
It's all just a hunch, of course, but worth bearing in mind.
another anti-fascist
Whats all this then!
25.03.2010 19:33
I recall being in Parliament Square and seeing three or four plain clothed po(litick)ice gearing uniform up for a fight so they'd be suitably aggressive against anti-war protesters/campaigners/hero's. They've always done this.
Maybe the Government lost the confidence of plod and maybe plod stopped cooperating. Hence the appearance of the English Disarmament Loons. Lets face it if you can't get plod to do your dirty work then your going to have to DIY.
Have fun.
PC Norman Threshhold
Nothing new
25.03.2010 23:19
That's not the same as saying the EDL is wholly a covert state operation, but they are - knowingly or not - stooges of the Establishment.
Robert Wedderburn