Skip Nav | Home | Mobile | Editorial Guidelines | Mission Statement | About Us | Contact | Help | Security | Support Us
Greybeard | 07.12.2009 20:23 | COP15 Climate Summit 2009 | Climate Chaos | World
Greybeard
Afghanistan
Analysis
Animal Liberation
Anti-Nuclear
Anti-militarism
Anti-racism
Bio-technology
Climate Chaos
Culture
Ecology
Education
Energy Crisis
Fracking
Free Spaces
Gender
Globalisation
Health
History
Indymedia
Iraq
Migration
Ocean Defence
Other Press
Palestine
Policing
Public sector cuts
Repression
Social Struggles
Technology
Terror War
Workers' Movements
Zapatista
Birmingham
Cambridge
Liverpool
London
Oxford
Sheffield
South Coast
Wales
World
Other UK IMCs
Bristol/South West
London
Northern Indymedia
Scotland
You are viewing this page using an encrypted connection. If you bookmark this page or send its address in an email you might want to use the un-encrypted address of this page.
If you recieved a warning about an untrusted root certificate please install the CAcert root certificate, for more information see the security page.
www.indymedia.org
Projects
print
radio
satellite tv
video
Africa
Europe
antwerpen
armenia
athens
austria
barcelona
belarus
belgium
belgrade
brussels
bulgaria
calabria
croatia
cyprus
emilia-romagna
estrecho / madiaq
galiza
germany
grenoble
hungary
ireland
istanbul
italy
la plana
liege
liguria
lille
linksunten
lombardia
madrid
malta
marseille
nantes
napoli
netherlands
northern england
nottingham imc
paris/île-de-france
patras
piemonte
poland
portugal
roma
romania
russia
sardegna
scotland
sverige
switzerland
torun
toscana
ukraine
united kingdom
valencia
Latin America
argentina
bolivia
chiapas
chile
chile sur
cmi brasil
cmi sucre
colombia
ecuador
mexico
peru
puerto rico
qollasuyu
rosario
santiago
tijuana
uruguay
valparaiso
venezuela
Oceania
aotearoa
brisbane
burma
darwin
jakarta
manila
melbourne
perth
qc
sydney
South Asia
india
United States
arizona
arkansas
asheville
atlanta
Austin
binghamton
boston
buffalo
chicago
cleveland
colorado
columbus
dc
hawaii
houston
hudson mohawk
kansas city
la
madison
maine
miami
michigan
milwaukee
minneapolis/st. paul
new hampshire
new jersey
new mexico
new orleans
north carolina
north texas
nyc
oklahoma
philadelphia
pittsburgh
portland
richmond
rochester
rogue valley
saint louis
san diego
san francisco
san francisco bay area
santa barbara
santa cruz, ca
sarasota
seattle
tampa bay
united states
urbana-champaign
vermont
western mass
worcester
West Asia
Armenia
Beirut
Israel
Palestine
Topics
biotech
Process
fbi/legal updates
mailing lists
process & imc docs
tech
Comments
Hide the following 15 comments
wow
07.12.2009 21:21
p
Yep!
07.12.2009 21:33
A
More
07.12.2009 23:12
Semi-camper
Clarification
08.12.2009 08:12
Greybeard
Question
08.12.2009 09:21
Questions
@Questions
08.12.2009 10:19
cough
convenient
08.12.2009 11:11
Although partly sceptical of climate camp, this seems a reasonable way to draw attention to the summit in Denmark - like the years long vigil outside South Africa House (on Trafalgar Sq) was a good way of showing solidarity and drawing attention to apartheid...I spent many a cold night there and on balance, it was worthwhile.
Just please do some actions, or at least plan some for a little time ahead and inspire people to go away and take action themselves!
Rosie
Rosie
cough cough
08.12.2009 11:14
if you have a genuine critique based on the idea that this camp is too much talk and not enough action, get down there and spread ideas for actions or join in with those being planned...
no?
PP
more on the why
08.12.2009 11:16
PP
Peer Pressure and Climate change in place of real change...
08.12.2009 11:45
The relationship between industrial society and nature is one of abuse, control and conceit, as much as the relationship between the slaves taken from Africa and those who took them, as much as the workers in Chinese factories and those who employ them, as much as the transfer of dirty technology to China was a direct result of a combination of Eco-activism in the US, the desire to maximise profits with cheap labour....
It would appear that most of the people who were part of Seattle, Genoa etc etc and who were part of the international anti-war movement have been side lined by a well orchestrated media/government campaign that has taken their eyes of the ball....
Inability to resist peer pressure is one of the results of conditioning - activist who do not address their own conditioning can and will be manipulated.
conor cruise o'brian
bottled water, gawd love 'em
08.12.2009 11:59
cynic
@PP
08.12.2009 12:30
cough
It's all good
08.12.2009 14:48
- It is a base from which DIRECT ACTION is being organised and carried out on a daily basis, come and see for yourself and get involved!
- It is reclaiming space and demonstrating alternative ways of living, consensus decision making, etc.
- It is highly visible and outreach teams are talking to passers-by and so on in friendly, non-combative ways to talk about why climate change is such an important issue, why 'our global leaders'' solutions will not work, and why urgent, direct aciton is needed.
- It is an immensely fun and friendly environment. Fun things are good to do.
I think that answers most of the cynics questions, fair enough for asking, but perhaps now we can all get involved and make it threatening and radical. Even if you are cynical of it, it is a unique opportunity to have base from which all kinds of actions can take place.
And certainly no bottled water was consumed when I was there (I plan to return on Thursday for a few more nights, and keep coming back and forth). Washing up etc. was all done with water from the public toilets, and that is what uses the vast bulk of the water. Yes there were large water butts there.
This could be a genuinely pivotal event in the future of radical organising around climate change. It may well not be, but it has great potential because of the situation. If all those who are unsure about coming, or are cynical come along it could become the start of something quite big. Let's make sure that happens.
happyanarchy
EDL Supporter
09.12.2009 12:04
EDL Supporter
why so bitter?
09.12.2009 21:27
Everyone can take part in commenting, demonstrating, direct action (what ever they take that to mean) in any way that they are comfortable with doing.
Just because you go storming up a chimney or holding up a train doesn't make you a better activist then someone who thinks that being visible and educating/talking to people about issues is a better sort of activism.
We need all types of activism and one thing good about Climate camp is that they do talk rather than scream over each other, they listen as well and take group decisions seriously, which is something we are asking the government to do right? We also need people to take over power stations and risk their sanity doing things that others would slate them for. So why are you so bitter towards each other?
When i see this i really don't think we stand a hope in hell. Fighting among ourselves over stupid things is just what they want us to do. Stop arguing and get on with what ever floats your boat, I can see why he called you an armchair activist though, because you sounded like a whinging daily mail reader not some big shot 'real activist' whatever that is...
Suurpepu