Leader of BNP Arrested

or you might be talking electoralist shite which for reasons obvious to most people not infected with brain-dead leftism is a dead end.

'Anarchist' - what a load of irrelevant 'do nothing' rubbish. The guy was clearly right, the more who vote, for any of the 10 or so parties, the smaller the proportion of BNP vote and the further from power they are. He's not saying 'voting' is a strategy, but making a real world pragmatic decision that minimises the effect of the BNP vote.

You would be better served concentrating on and taking part in practical politics rather than making ultra left swipes at this idea.

allowed to spam indymedia with this 'it's your fault the BNP get in if you don't vote' shite?

There is no incresed BNP threat from a low turnout, the european elections are being contested under a first past the post system with multiple seats as one constituency. The number of votes needed for the second seat is where the PR element comes into play.

from aboutmyvote.co.uk:
"In a given region the allocated seats are awarding using a quota system. The quota is the total number of votes received by a party or independent candidate divided by the number of seats already gained in that region +1.

So, for a party with no seats the number of votes received is divided by one, and so stays the same. If the party already has one seat then its number of votes is divided by two, if it has two seats it is divided by three, and so on."

I Cant actually vote on this election in anycase as I'm of no fixed abode at present so although I work and pay taxes I cannot have a say in the running of the country. As it happens though I dont beleive that it makes much difference as all your voting for is a different management team, the capitalist system continues regardless.
However what if the BNP did win enough seats to have a say, surely then their idiotic and incapable policies would cause hardship for many and perhaps be enough to cause so much anger and fury that people would take to the streets and demand real change.
Just a thought

I Cant actually vote on this election in anycase as I'm of no fixed abode at present so although I work and pay taxes I cannot have a say in the running of the country. As it happens though I dont beleive that it makes much difference as all your voting for is a different management team, the capitalist system continues regardless.
However what if the BNP did win enough seats to have a say, surely then their idiotic and incapable policies would cause hardship for many and perhaps be enough to cause so much anger and fury that people would take to the streets and demand real change.
Just a thought

But the fact is, Anarchists can and do use electoral systems to achieve their ends. A low turnout makes it easier for fascist entrist parties to gain a seat, no matter what the system of voting used is.

The ten party members who all vote BNP have a much bigger voice in an electoral turnout of one hundred people. The same ten party members appear as insignificant as they really are when a thousand people turn out to vote.

In representative democracy the electorate are betrayed by exclusion from participation. In the absence of direct and participative democracy, keeping fascists out using the ballot has a role to play. Learning the lesson of tactics after a kicking in the polls would be tragic. If that leads to the BNP being financed by The European Gravy Train then it would lead to consequences in communities around the country that are not served by Representative Democracy anyway.

It is a clear choice: consider the need for tactical and strategic use of voting in addition to all other available tactics or, hope that the other tactics work by themselves.

We, anarchists do not participate in voting because we have no shame to go to polling station, if marxists do, we still respect them, as they respect us for too many ideas we share.
Today in Bristol we have organised antifa stalls against fascist parties with no advertising of any other political shite.
We leave voting for the vast majority of population, which probably outnumbers us on very large scale, and we don't feel like breaking our anti-political principles to change nothing.
We understand, that if in theory fascist party wins, because of lack of polling frequency, the society has therefore changed their understanding of state itself, which will cause its uprising and rebellion against existing nationalist form of government, as it happened in Greece. We want to educate population about it.
If only 5% goes voting and 3 % votes on BNP, that will mean radical change of law and attempt to remove millions of those who are not pure British, which will provoke social war and an end to statist society. This is not likely to happen because 95% of society will not praise anarchism right away, therefore we are trying to tell people who go voting at least not to vote for nazis, after all , propaganda is the key.

TO FREEDOM FOR ALL BEINGS , RACIAL JUSTICE , AND CLASS WAR ON FASCISM!









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