Antispeciesism - The way it is

Bud, you're right but you've got to calm down. Most people on this planet are part of the problem as they eat animals and steal their milk, etc. How can a tiny group of compassionate people wage war on most people on earth? It has to be a battle to win people's minds.

Keep it positive!

It's not a question of "a tiny group of compassionate people waging war on most people on earth" It is undeniable that a small group of not-so-compassionate people have waged war against innocent creatures of the planet and continue to imprison them for their exploitation.

Not all humans are murderers who eat meat, the overwhelming majority are accomplises to the slaughter of non-human beings, not the cause of it.

I am glad that this song written by a band has raised the issue of speciesism though...

Or is it COINTELPRO? So hard to tell.

It,s this sort of post AR don't need, what an idiot!

It's not an AR post. It's a really poor attempt to make AR people look like nutters. It's such a piss poor attempt the and so transparent whoever did it should be sacked for incompetance... I give this piss poor attempt to alienate AR a D-.. must try harder next time if they want their bonus from their big business friends

The point of the matter is that the business of animals,and inparticular that of mass production for profit maximisation, has significantly altered the relationship of humans and (various) animals. Most people in the western world would despise anyone who held a small personal dog/cat farm and consumed their meat. Even if - say - these animals were treated better than your average sheep, cow, or pig in every farm in the world. This distortion happens coz of the distorted (hypocritical) acceptance of what is popularly know as 'domesticated pets', humanised to an extent where they are placed onto a different category in the human hierarchical scale. The truth is that the pain felt by these 'domestic animals' when tortured, is no different to the pain exerted to others who are mass produced, confined in tiny spaces, force fed chemicals to beef them up and killed shortly after for profit. I'm no vegetarian myself let alone vegan however it is clear that every aspect of this society, created by capitalist for capitalist, from head to toe, from 'morals' to 'liberty' is one big farce and viewfinder is a joke.

That some people are pacifists who love leaflets, some are activists who like the demos, actions, etc, and some are resistance fighters or committed anarchists who see the truth when they hear it; like the post above...

Lets see how our few on "violence" will alter after the BNP festival gets shut down yes?
From Smash EDO & Climate Camp to the Carnival
The Antis Will Steal The Summer

Do you also support the rest of their rather twisted religious, crypto-fascist, anti-abortion ideology? Vegan Reich are a joke, and best treated as such - listen to their music with a smile on their face, don't bother looking at lyric sheets for anything other than a laugh though.

Plenty of people here do great activism on capitalism, war, poverty, urban renewal and autonomous spaces, union work, environmentalism, highlighting political greed and corruption etc. - if they also eat meat do they nevertheless deserve to "hang"? I'd say most people here were opposed to capital punishment anyway, so why would you make a special case for omnivores?

Sure, there's plenty of arguments for (and against) veganism, but death threats to people who don't agree with you? I guess that means you think that animals are *more* important than humans?

Since when was the idea that meat eaters would be killed?

I don't remember the civil, women or gay liberation movements calling to kill all white people, men and straight individuals, if they didn't agree with their principles? I only remember the media spinning the stories in this way!

Why do you think rights movements are about "assassinating" everyone? Is it the War On Terror giving you these ideas maybe? Or is *Animal Rights Terrorism* now making sense now?

The common mistake your making is that nobody deserves to die. Why people should be allowd to get away with the murder of hundreds of innocent lives every day just for a profit is barbaric and is being heavily debated, like it has been for vivisectors for many decades, and is in the limelight for war criminals, dictators and fascists. Are you really that suprised that the anti-discrimination movement is still going, did you really think it would fade away?

Meat eaters are not the targets, animal abusers are. Why would you think that animals are *more* important than humans? I said animal abusers - is this always too hard for humans to understand? Animals are HUMAN and NON-HUMAN, Bush & Brown aren't getting away without bullets just as much as the next non-human or human animal abuser. Just like women have the right to fight back against rapists...

Who was it who once said that if by taking a life, you could prevent the future and inevitable slaughter of innocent lives, it would be morally justifiable? Most revolutionaries?

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated” Mahatma Gandhi