Since the Coup attempt coordinated by the Extremists in the US and Israel succeeding in dividing the Palestinian political class, I've been waiting for Israel to announce its new "offer" which would demand further sacrifices of the Palestinians, no compromise on the part of Israel, and a complete avoidance of Israel's outstanding legal and moral obligations.
Well, here it is ... History repeats itself.
Well, here it is ... History repeats itself.
PA negotiators furious over Israeli proposal
Worrying strife breaks out between top Palestinian negotiator Ahmed Qureia and Israeli counterpart after latter presents proposal of regional division (Apartheid, right?) in which Israel maintains claim to large settlement blocs, Jordan River Valley and Jerusalem
Roni Sofer and Ali Waked
Those in Washington pushing for an Israeli-Palestinian deal by the end of President Bush's term may have to scale down their expectation as the gaps between the two sides only seem to be growing larger.
(This was always the intended result of this facade ... Allowing the Zionists' sponsor and underwriter to lord over a "peace process" is utterly ludicrous, and the world knows it. History will not judge us kindly for our silence and Appeasement.)
A new bout of discord arose after a blowout between the Palestinian Authority's head negotiator, Ahmed Qureia, and Foreign Affairs Minister Tzipi Livni. Qureia angrily rejected a proposed map presented by Livni in which any future agreement would see Israel retaining control of the larger settlement blocs in the West Bank as well as the Jordan River Valley and Jerusalem.
Qureia grabbed the map spread out on the table and pushed it away with both hands.
The divide over the border fall-out was only further exacerbated after Qureia vehemently rebuffed comments made by Defense Minister Ehud Barak on Tuesday, in which he demanded a special security arrangement be made for a mountain ridge in Palestinian territory east of Ben Gurion Airport.
The recent turbulence indicates a permanent deal or even an agreement on certain basic principles may be even farther from reach.
(Which was the plan all along ...)
'Borders most simple among core issues'
"Among the three core issues being discussed in the negotiations the borders are considered the least problematic. The matter of the Palestinian refugees (The Right of Return being its proper name ...) and sovereignty over Jerusalem are far more complex and sensitive. This incident just clarifies how far we are from an agreement," said a senior Israeli official close to the proceedings.
Foreign Minister Livni's office said in response that "the negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians are not held in public. Furthermore, until everything is agreed upon, nothing is agreed. Conducting ourselves in the limelight has never contributed to achieving our goals "
A senior Palestinian official confirmed the details of the confrontation over the borders. Qureia has declined to comment on the meeting directly but the official said that the negotiator believes that talks are often fraught with anger. "Some ideas are rejected and some are accepted, some are logical and some are not," the source said.
Qureia: Barak can say whatever he wants
The most recent disagreement stems over Barak's comments during a tour of the mountain range east of the airport. "Right below us is the Ben Gurion Airport, a vital and sensitive region. We must ensure that if and when there political deals are made, we weigh in on the defense implications and the need to maintain control over security, de-facto, in the entire region," said Barak.
"Special arrangements will have to made here," he added.
Qureia said in response that Barak "can say whatever he wants, but the determining factor will be the negotiations and the outcome of the talks.
"On principle, we know what our rights are and will fight for them using all means and ways. We reject any demand, any position, or any Israeli statement regarding territory outside the 1967 borders."
A senior Palestinian official told Ynet he was unsurprised by Barak's comments. "Once he blew-up the Camp David talks and blamed it on Arafat and now he is panicking that the current negotiations may succeed. That is why he doing all this and making declarations that sour the atmosphere. Barak has taken the Labor party from the peace camp to the side of settlers and extremists. He poses an obstacle to the talks."
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No Middle East Peace Without Tough Love
The scandal of the international community's impotence in resolving one of history's longest bloodlettings is that it knows what the problem is but does not have the courage to speak the truth, much less deal with it. The next peace conference in Germany (or in Moscow, where the Russians want to hold it) will suffer from the same gutlessness that has marked all previous efforts. It will deal with everything except the problem primarily responsible for this conflict's multi-generational impasse.
That problem is that for all of the sins attributable to the Palestinians - and they are legion, including inept and corrupt leadership, failed institution-building and the murderous violence of the rejectionist groups-there is no prospect for a viable, sovereign Palestinian state primarily because Israel's various governments, from 1967 until today, have never intended allowing such a state to come into being.
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Worrying strife breaks out between top Palestinian negotiator Ahmed Qureia and Israeli counterpart after latter presents proposal of regional division (Apartheid, right?) in which Israel maintains claim to large settlement blocs, Jordan River Valley and Jerusalem
Roni Sofer and Ali Waked
Those in Washington pushing for an Israeli-Palestinian deal by the end of President Bush's term may have to scale down their expectation as the gaps between the two sides only seem to be growing larger.
(This was always the intended result of this facade ... Allowing the Zionists' sponsor and underwriter to lord over a "peace process" is utterly ludicrous, and the world knows it. History will not judge us kindly for our silence and Appeasement.)
A new bout of discord arose after a blowout between the Palestinian Authority's head negotiator, Ahmed Qureia, and Foreign Affairs Minister Tzipi Livni. Qureia angrily rejected a proposed map presented by Livni in which any future agreement would see Israel retaining control of the larger settlement blocs in the West Bank as well as the Jordan River Valley and Jerusalem.
Qureia grabbed the map spread out on the table and pushed it away with both hands.
The divide over the border fall-out was only further exacerbated after Qureia vehemently rebuffed comments made by Defense Minister Ehud Barak on Tuesday, in which he demanded a special security arrangement be made for a mountain ridge in Palestinian territory east of Ben Gurion Airport.
The recent turbulence indicates a permanent deal or even an agreement on certain basic principles may be even farther from reach.
(Which was the plan all along ...)
'Borders most simple among core issues'
"Among the three core issues being discussed in the negotiations the borders are considered the least problematic. The matter of the Palestinian refugees (The Right of Return being its proper name ...) and sovereignty over Jerusalem are far more complex and sensitive. This incident just clarifies how far we are from an agreement," said a senior Israeli official close to the proceedings.
Foreign Minister Livni's office said in response that "the negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians are not held in public. Furthermore, until everything is agreed upon, nothing is agreed. Conducting ourselves in the limelight has never contributed to achieving our goals "
A senior Palestinian official confirmed the details of the confrontation over the borders. Qureia has declined to comment on the meeting directly but the official said that the negotiator believes that talks are often fraught with anger. "Some ideas are rejected and some are accepted, some are logical and some are not," the source said.
Qureia: Barak can say whatever he wants
The most recent disagreement stems over Barak's comments during a tour of the mountain range east of the airport. "Right below us is the Ben Gurion Airport, a vital and sensitive region. We must ensure that if and when there political deals are made, we weigh in on the defense implications and the need to maintain control over security, de-facto, in the entire region," said Barak.
"Special arrangements will have to made here," he added.
Qureia said in response that Barak "can say whatever he wants, but the determining factor will be the negotiations and the outcome of the talks.
"On principle, we know what our rights are and will fight for them using all means and ways. We reject any demand, any position, or any Israeli statement regarding territory outside the 1967 borders."
A senior Palestinian official told Ynet he was unsurprised by Barak's comments. "Once he blew-up the Camp David talks and blamed it on Arafat and now he is panicking that the current negotiations may succeed. That is why he doing all this and making declarations that sour the atmosphere. Barak has taken the Labor party from the peace camp to the side of settlers and extremists. He poses an obstacle to the talks."
www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-
Palestinians Agree on Truce - Waiting on Israel ...
winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?14273S
No Middle East Peace Without Tough Love
The scandal of the international community's impotence in resolving one of history's longest bloodlettings is that it knows what the problem is but does not have the courage to speak the truth, much less deal with it. The next peace conference in Germany (or in Moscow, where the Russians want to hold it) will suffer from the same gutlessness that has marked all previous efforts. It will deal with everything except the problem primarily responsible for this conflict's multi-generational impasse.
That problem is that for all of the sins attributable to the Palestinians - and they are legion, including inept and corrupt leadership, failed institution-building and the murderous violence of the rejectionist groups-there is no prospect for a viable, sovereign Palestinian state primarily because Israel's various governments, from 1967 until today, have never intended allowing such a state to come into being.
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8915/index.php
Carter: Israel Rejected Truce Offer
winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?14272S
Carter: Gaza Blockade is an Atrocity, Residents Starving to Death
www.winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?13695S
As Predicted: Israel Rejects Truce Offer
www.winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?14099S
Calling Israel's Bluff: Hamas Offers Truce, Negotiations
www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8898/index.php
Hamas offers Gaza truce with Israel
www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8890/index.php
Real Diplomacy: Carter Meets Hamas
www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8877/index.php
No Peace Without Hamas
www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8876/index.php
Hamas ready to accept Israel as its neighbour: Carter
www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8874/index.php
