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Oscar Beard | 05.11.2007 19:33 | Repression | Social Struggles | London | World
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Comments
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Good video
05.11.2007 23:55
The police trying to out-wit the journalist is a real comedy moment.
Unleash The Class
more people would see it?
06.11.2007 13:25
BUT you get a bigger number of viewers than indymedia could manage. (no offense like)
If people don't want their stuff on youtube - fair enough, but there are good reasons for doing so.
anarchol
Homepage: http://anarchol.wordpress.com
great vid - well done!
06.11.2007 20:28
up to yr usual standard. No longer bored of the beard
crass political gestures are the best!
For an Urban Alliance - (f*** the rural one)
06.11.2007 20:45
(don't fucking reduce yourselves to the lowest common denonominator, think outside the box - so don't burn effigies of Mohammed; do you want to extend the network or not? If not, you might as well start recruiting racists. What about other targets like debt collectors, baliffs, the environmental abusing oil company scum killing the planet or big landowning toffs?)
serf
Men of vio-lence
07.11.2007 05:00
grimmery
class-war hero my a$$
07.11.2007 09:07
Why did he do that?
fhlacy
funny
07.11.2007 10:38
So a bunch of 'working class' boys'n'girls walk calmly down a road in an area we'll never be able to afford to live in, shouting the odd slogan - and they are odd let's face it, and they feel as if they've done a good day's work.
Meanwhile a good journo makes some very good points and shows himself to be the sanest person on both sides.
I'll be honest, I've seen more energy and anger and disruptive power in many many marches - this flaccid turnout for a flaccid idea was just that... flaccid.!!
To face facts, people don't actually want violence. We get disheartened by so much of life and authority and crap governent and law, so violence might well have a place, but in the end it's not something we want. This class war idea has validity but in reality all you're doing is drawing more dividing lines, continuing the work of the tabloids, and helping the government govern by divide and rule. Those people with wealth feel all the safer in their little 'tribes' because of the fractious nature of what you're doing. You're basically perpetuating their own existence, not stopping it.
I did agree with the bloke at the end of the vid - people need to take to the streets. Authority and power come from those who gain their cash from the activities of the people - simple. If we all stop consuming so much then things would grind to a stand still. The immediate outcome of that though would be that people would lose jobs, and so the workers, the underpaid, low wage sector would be the first to go. Bit Catch 22 innit..!
Unless the people as a whole took back the concept of creating things for themselves - but let's face it, people don't want to toil in the fields growing their own food etc. People want their booze, food, mobiles, telly, tabloids, cafes, whatever - it's all in place cos we want it. There wasn't a single person on that march who doesn't own one of the above. And how many of them were vegan? Now there's radical.. nah they're good old working class folk who like a bit of multi-national produced factory farmed slaughter... what nonsense...
The biggest problem with 'movements' of various types is that we dis-empower ourselves by saying that we never asked for X,Y and Z to happen, which is true, but we do very little about it, roll our eyes, and then head down to the offie to consume the drink of some multi / pan national mega company, and somke the fags of another.
rant rant..
pinky
Change the present unjust and unfair economic structures yes.
07.11.2007 17:53
fhlacey
Class War - b4 & now
08.11.2007 00:37
Times are now different and Class War stand to reap the bitter resentful air of massive inequality, however, only to an extent, as gang mentality means that the working class will not unite quite as easily as the policoes strategists within Class War salivate for...
Class war are a good alternative to the BNP - the worse of two evils.
serf
Violence
08.11.2007 10:26
Not a pacifist
point
08.11.2007 12:32
we know who / what you are
too the trolls
those pesky trolls
08.11.2007 15:54
Some REALLY good points, especially the entire anti-road movement and J18 etc..
As for the troll and the hiding behind the computer remark - classic - are you talking about yourself (you are, after all behind a computer), or maybe you're sending the message from the streets via your email phone or some nonsense :-)
I totally agree about violence - and there is no answer really, as total pacifism falls flat (Tibet etc), although there are always exceptions (Velvet Revolution etc.), but using violence also puts yourself onto the same level as them and there are def more of them and they're better armed.!! The anti-road tactics were certainly the way to go, gnawing away at things which finally brought about huge changes to the Gov's road building plans... although these have been quietly creeping back in since.
I notice that all those people on the video were swanning around Notting Hill on the same day as the NHS march was taking place - ummm... hello..??!?! Did any of them bother going to the Docklands Cleaners demo a few days earlier.? of course not...
And of course it's mostly white - everyone else is too busy actually working doing the jobs you hate to do.
There's nothing wrong with work, it's the type of work which is important - and 95% of it is pointless in today's capitalist society. Look @ your life and ensure that it's not harming others and the planet, and / or helping others to do the same.
Some us have a reasonable job, bit dull at times / stressful at others - some of the jobs are working class trades, others are service / teachers / whatever.. Is a teacher working class or middle class.? what's the income cut-off point at which you'd say someone is one of 'you' and become one of 'them'.? 2k, 5k, 10k, 20k, 30k..???
I'm not laying into Class War cos there's loads of things to agree with, but the tactics of the NottingHill thing are pointless, and your energy on the day would have been much better appreciated @ the NHS march - but then maybe there'd be too many people on there and your people skills aren't up to it....??!
pinky
Class war
08.11.2007 23:20
We all know that revolution will only come through us sitting behind our nice computers, sipping a cup of tea and taking the piss out of each other and groups who commit that ridiculous thing known as 'direct action'.
Pfft.
Keep squabbling comrades! We're bringing the revolution ever closer!!
Cj
NAZI SCUM
06.04.2008 11:57
Zack