break the embargo! block-busting out the ace phrase from tomorrows "world - shaking" movie . . . . + opening discussions on its subject matter. . . . add comments, please, but - remember. . . .
. . . . seeing as the bloke its all "about" was trying to make a few good points - do as y@ might want to get done to, etc (that - from confucius to lao tse to every other religion or humanism, have gotten recognised as basics - ) but in a sort of "allo allo" occupied europe situation, with the backdrop of a tyrannised, decayed distorted "empire" of looters + slavers pressganging people from all around the mediterranean + further.
ITS WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT 'S KEY - what happened to him after is irrelevant in comparison.
In 4 AD - as we call it (-ish....some disagreement re exact years) thousands of jewish palestinians were crucified for rising against the romans.
In 7AD the pressganged legions were fought to a stop all the way across europe along the rhine danube valleys.
The gauls/britons "celts?druids?" (groupnames meant less different things then - perhaps they saw themselves as "the free") had withdrawn to the mountains + islands to regroup + bounce back, much as many palestinian jews withdrew to the "essene" south east. When the romans did "conquer" briton they never did conquer it, but for some periods held flatlands to the south, as "britons" offered sanctuary to the people that escaped from the legions + slave factories/camps, as they had done in the past.
The palestinians/jews had remained a very "tough nut", even forcing the romans to accept that it kept its own, "ethical" currency - modulated - with the church/social contract-covenant (tithes n'all that) through the temple/synagogue. ( the translation for synagogue is, in fact, community centre). (hence "render unto....etc etc) (ditto moneychanger fracas).
Lots of peoples were "allowed" to keep the spiritual traditions + the sense of what was/wasnt sacred that they'd had before invasion + repression . . . . but, alongside the "druids", the jewish palestinians refused to bow down to accept the roman emperors as "divine".
Fact is, they werent - in the slightest bit - by anybodys reckoning - in fact - lots of romans thought they werent "divine" either - circus, amphitheatres,etc, etc, - but the fact was that a typical "divine" emperors "divinity" was often gotten by some jumped-up "baron"type (1st century citizen kane ) wheeling out some army on a looting, slaving expedition, then coming back to rome, having paid tame infowar poets to write glorious lies about 'em, with the army, taking over, then getting married to somebody who then poisons them, to install her son as emperor instead. Oh, then they poison the mother to keep the "secret".
"Classic". (????)
But - was it divine. Nah.
The original good thing about Rome was that it was a city state that had made peace with the city states around it, + got rid of its tyrants + the dodgy "court" hangers-on + manipulations that so often occur around tyrants, replacing it with an "imperium" ( - yes - the word comes from that! ) - in fact - a system of elected magistrates! ( progress, for then! )
As you can guess, a lot of romans were less than happy with the racketeers monster that Rome had degraded to - often these were the ones that went "offworld", to the "new frontiers" - hence the trip to propaghandise Caesarea , then saul/pauls ephesus base + widening the "universal" nature of what was, for a lot of people, a struggle to put integrity back into the spiritual, (allsorts) - in fact - into society itself - worldwide.
Hence, on the "we're so glad we aint slaves" festivities (renamed somewhat to avoid pre-annoying the Romans) -
. . . .
Several versions of this next bit already, all with small differences, but all with a few good metaphors/parables , + that "do as y'might want others to do to you" bit + the good samaritan bit.
"Acts" has some good bits in too - a sort of "never give up, keep on keeping on" good attitude thats worth rechecking even if you aint religious at all -
babylon as the "nudgenudgewinkwink/allo-allo" version of Rome, Neros name in aramaic number script, multiple copies of "getting by as we get ready for the next rising" manuscripts, addressed to friends + diaspora synagogues, using the "any religion y'want as long as y'pay the extortion racket" loophole of the Occupied Europe scenario, + obscure jewish traditional references to translete to other parts of "the free" in + around the med, (+ FURTHER).
Everything was a boat away . . . . Herods mettalurgy racket used raw materials from cornwall + further . . . .
Around 60 AD the kickoffs happened in Rome, Briton, Jewish palestine, greece, turkey, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Boadacea cutting the exit routes from the Angleseye blockade, freeing all the slaves in londinium afore regrouping, safe. Entire legions changing sides. ( Or "lost" - as the infowar poets were paid to say. Hmmmm.)
Quite something.
They didnt give up.
The stupid, poisoning, enslaving time of rome did end .... ish, even if "East India Company" approved "classical"
"scholars" have somewhat distorted the tales ever since. . . .
Fact is, even if "that good bloke" was spirited away by druids having gotten rescued from a coma by a good combination of various. . . . witches, bards'n'seers, etc,
- or a monty pythonesQue outerspace circ us -
. . . . THEN T H A T ISNT THE KEY BIT OF THE "MESSAGE" IS IT . . . .
is it!
ITS WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT 'S KEY - what happened to him after is irrelevant in comparison.
In 4 AD - as we call it (-ish....some disagreement re exact years) thousands of jewish palestinians were crucified for rising against the romans.
In 7AD the pressganged legions were fought to a stop all the way across europe along the rhine danube valleys.
The gauls/britons "celts?druids?" (groupnames meant less different things then - perhaps they saw themselves as "the free") had withdrawn to the mountains + islands to regroup + bounce back, much as many palestinian jews withdrew to the "essene" south east. When the romans did "conquer" briton they never did conquer it, but for some periods held flatlands to the south, as "britons" offered sanctuary to the people that escaped from the legions + slave factories/camps, as they had done in the past.
The palestinians/jews had remained a very "tough nut", even forcing the romans to accept that it kept its own, "ethical" currency - modulated - with the church/social contract-covenant (tithes n'all that) through the temple/synagogue. ( the translation for synagogue is, in fact, community centre). (hence "render unto....etc etc) (ditto moneychanger fracas).
Lots of peoples were "allowed" to keep the spiritual traditions + the sense of what was/wasnt sacred that they'd had before invasion + repression . . . . but, alongside the "druids", the jewish palestinians refused to bow down to accept the roman emperors as "divine".
Fact is, they werent - in the slightest bit - by anybodys reckoning - in fact - lots of romans thought they werent "divine" either - circus, amphitheatres,etc, etc, - but the fact was that a typical "divine" emperors "divinity" was often gotten by some jumped-up "baron"type (1st century citizen kane ) wheeling out some army on a looting, slaving expedition, then coming back to rome, having paid tame infowar poets to write glorious lies about 'em, with the army, taking over, then getting married to somebody who then poisons them, to install her son as emperor instead. Oh, then they poison the mother to keep the "secret".
"Classic". (????)
But - was it divine. Nah.
The original good thing about Rome was that it was a city state that had made peace with the city states around it, + got rid of its tyrants + the dodgy "court" hangers-on + manipulations that so often occur around tyrants, replacing it with an "imperium" ( - yes - the word comes from that! ) - in fact - a system of elected magistrates! ( progress, for then! )
As you can guess, a lot of romans were less than happy with the racketeers monster that Rome had degraded to - often these were the ones that went "offworld", to the "new frontiers" - hence the trip to propaghandise Caesarea , then saul/pauls ephesus base + widening the "universal" nature of what was, for a lot of people, a struggle to put integrity back into the spiritual, (allsorts) - in fact - into society itself - worldwide.
Hence, on the "we're so glad we aint slaves" festivities (renamed somewhat to avoid pre-annoying the Romans) -
. . . .
Several versions of this next bit already, all with small differences, but all with a few good metaphors/parables , + that "do as y'might want others to do to you" bit + the good samaritan bit.
"Acts" has some good bits in too - a sort of "never give up, keep on keeping on" good attitude thats worth rechecking even if you aint religious at all -
babylon as the "nudgenudgewinkwink/allo-allo" version of Rome, Neros name in aramaic number script, multiple copies of "getting by as we get ready for the next rising" manuscripts, addressed to friends + diaspora synagogues, using the "any religion y'want as long as y'pay the extortion racket" loophole of the Occupied Europe scenario, + obscure jewish traditional references to translete to other parts of "the free" in + around the med, (+ FURTHER).
Everything was a boat away . . . . Herods mettalurgy racket used raw materials from cornwall + further . . . .
Around 60 AD the kickoffs happened in Rome, Briton, Jewish palestine, greece, turkey, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Boadacea cutting the exit routes from the Angleseye blockade, freeing all the slaves in londinium afore regrouping, safe. Entire legions changing sides. ( Or "lost" - as the infowar poets were paid to say. Hmmmm.)
Quite something.
They didnt give up.
The stupid, poisoning, enslaving time of rome did end .... ish, even if "East India Company" approved "classical"
"scholars" have somewhat distorted the tales ever since. . . .
Fact is, even if "that good bloke" was spirited away by druids having gotten rescued from a coma by a good combination of various. . . . witches, bards'n'seers, etc,
- or a monty pythonesQue outerspace circ us -
. . . . THEN T H A T ISNT THE KEY BIT OF THE "MESSAGE" IS IT . . . .
is it!
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. . . . with the lead piping. . . .
18.05.2006 15:59
came
the psychoses that transformed people - that might've recognised the errors of Romes degradation to insane, gangsterist mental decay + paranoid, acquisition-addicted degradation - to replace progress with self-loathing, treachery competitions + misery-driven grandiose stupidities.
Poisoners poisoned.
Th us " I Claudius ", "...et tu brute", neros mum, etc etc etc.
Cluedo says the barbarians at the gate werent the problem.
So, mobile phone masts, "enhancements", personnel management, command+control tech ....etc, etc. Other "messages" perhaps.
doh.
x legion
dav in c code : "holy mcguffins!". . . . red herons or Dibblered ancients?
18.05.2006 16:38
For example, the "search engine" equivalent - often in text of the same colour as the background - at a time such as this - might do something like this:
DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE etc. . . . but moreso.
(if somebody has time + typing speed, please add a comment of this sort after this - it might deter people playing around with search engine rankings if more people saw this is often done! ta!
Its taken 1000s of years to get a half decent "everybodys library" system working, so its more than a tad irritating when people mess up the "index". Thanks.)
Many people wonder, with hindsight, if the "holy grail", in the same way that the "alchemists" were in actual fact looking for a sort of spiritual version of the Einstein "grand theory" to unite everything else, refers to some key idea, or series of various ideas/ facts.
( RADIO 4 DID A Q GOOD TALKIE PROGRAMME ABOUT ALCHEMY - with less of the usual guff - LAST YEAR THATS ON THE "IN OUR TIME" WEBSITE, I THINK! )
m- guff continues:
da vinci code dav cs code dove in code d is DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DAVINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA CODE ITS IN DA . . . . DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINCI CODE DA VINDALOO ETC. over to you....
dun brow
2+2=4 . . . . or 42 ?
18.05.2006 16:41
42 !
if you appreciate that...
18.05.2006 17:31
good attitude. i shall research more myself in that direction next chance i get!
xl agin
see also - " DA CODE ITS IN DA . . . . VINDALOO! " - wow
20.05.2006 12:22
---- St Pauls letters, addressed to the "PASTORS" of congregations . . . . some of the names are names of women.
The early, authentic, christian church in Briton often had monasteries of men twinned with monasteries of women, when very often the person "in charge" of both of them was a woman.
The "Seer" - breaking away from the racketeers in Greece that were trying to exploit her to assist paul - memorably a woman. . . .
. . . . in fact , the phrase so often mistranslated/misquoted to pretend some acceptance of eternal poverty on earth (- despite peters SINGLE injunction to paul when he was - to use the vernacular - adapting the platform to a more universal "minimal coalition position" -) - was a woman too, among many others, preparing for what already looked as if it was going to get remembered as quite some weekend - however it turned out ! A grumpy, somewhat bad tempered response, perhaps - but saying the equivalent of " yes, of course making poverty history is what we're ALL here for - but lets try to all get focussed + look after each other in these crucial moments coming up - first ! " is a very different thing from legitimising some "whatever" shrug for ANYONE, EVER about doing the "bad samaritan-thing ".
. . . . as to "did he or didnt he, did they or didnt they" - when its ALREADY documented - in the actual new testament - that some of the disciples were married and travelled + worked TOGETHER - as this piece opened - it shouldnt matter. That "does people include women-people" stupid question was always a stupid question. Progress is the spirit. Slavery + enforced subservience was what the torah defined itself in opposition to. "Passover" was the "free from slavery" time of the year. To REMEMBER. The youngest person, always - in the tradition, asks the "whats "passover" about" question. ( pre- Jamnia - all "christians" saw themselves as jews + friends. Reform jews, perhaps, but progressive in the way the fundamental spirit of that religion was always seen as inspiring, progressive - even by others a long, long way away. The jews chose to fight instead of slaving. They chose to exist free, even if that meant moving.
In a time when the entire mediterranean - the entire world - seemed plagued by the rotten poisonous slavesystem, to people of lots of different spiritual traditions it seemed a good example , worth supporting working alongside, with.
as i was saying.... ( insert favourite parable here) sort of thing !
see also - " DA CODE ITS IN DA . . . . VINDALOO !" indym nswr