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HOLOCAUST FUNDAMENTALISM

Mark Green | 10.12.2005 06:29 | Anti-militarism | Anti-racism | Repression | World

You WILL believe OR ELSE! (Hint: By the way, isn't it time for separation of synagogue and state??)

HOLOCAUST FUNDAMENTALISM:
You WILL Believe

By Mark Green
Dec. 3, 2005


You've seen the films. You've read the books. You've taken the courses. You've heard the news. Soon, your children will be visiting the museums. Everybody knows it's true.


The era of mandatory belief in The Holocaust has arrived. Articles central to The Faith include unwavering commitment to Jewish casualty numbers with a full and complete understanding of the manner in which innocent Jews were gassed, murdered and executed in Nazi Germany. Recalcitrant non-believers are now being rounded up. The typical rhetoric goes: "these bigots deny the facts and lessons garnered from humankind's experience during WWII. Their unique kind of poison will not be tolerated. This is a democracy. You are under arrest."


Only this is not a movie. This is real.


In Europe and North America, Holocaust skeptics are being apprehended, arrested and are now facing lengthy prison terms. Few people have noticed. Nobody's supposed to care. Big media certainly doesn't. Nor the politicians. These Holocaust-denying apostates include British author and historian David Irving, Holocaust revisionist Ernst Zundel, German chemist Gemar Rudolf, and others. Their crimes involve disbelief: they dispute the official version of events involving Jews during WWII.


In an era where nearly anything goes, why does the truth need special laws to protect it? Curious, that.


Beginning Jan. 27, 2006, and continuing every year thereafter, the United Nations will inaugurate its first annual Holocaust Remembrance Day. This Israeli-sponsored resolution not only institutionalizes and broadens global sensitivity to The Holocaust, but it will surely aid in prosecuting individuals who reject official Holocaust dogma. The State Church has arrived. It's creed: Holocaust fundamentalism.


Question: to what extent do these escalating measures have more than nothing to do with America's "special relationship" with the Jewish State, our war in Iraq, and our saber-rattling towards Syria and Iran? Just curious.


Resistance to the global New Doctrine however is growing. Among the arguments: Laws regulating 'historical interpretation' are themselves a crime. Take your Thought Control laws and shove it.


Primary question: How many Jews died (and how many were deliberately killed) during WWII? How do we know? In how many Western Democracies is doubting the "correct number " of Jewish victims during WWII now against the law? (seven)


It's known that after the second world war, the Red Cross put the number of Jewish deaths at considerably less than one million. That's still a lot of dead people. Yes, it is theoretically possible that 6,000,000 Jews were killed during the war, but--forgive me--I sense a bold exaggeration.


But aside from that, since when is skepticism a crime? Where are the bodies, for instance? May I have a list of names, please?


Even the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Israel, after 60 years, can only muster three million names, and many of those names are of Jews who merely died (or disappeared) during WWII, causes unknown. Many names appear more than once. In a similar vein, while the number of Jews murdered at Auschwitz was officially reduced by millions in recent years, the irreducible number of "six million Jews" remains. Isn't it possible that there's some politically-motivated chicanery here?


It is, after all, indisputable that some earlier "facts" regarding the Holocaust have been streamlined and smoothed out for popular consumption. The lamp shade and human soap stories, for instance, have been quietly retired. The secret dealings between Nazis and Zionists during WWII have been suppressed. Another ignored fact concerns the lethal Typhus epidemics in the death camps. Why have they been airbrushed from popular memory?


One problem is that all the "experts" tend to be Jewish and show bias on the subject. How many Germans died in WWII? FiveÊmillion? Actually I'm not sure, since their suffering isn't supposed to matter and therefore their casualties aren't noted. What was the total number of dead in WWII?--50 million? How many have died in wars during the 20th Century?--275 million? (that's Zbig. Brezinski's estimate). Considering this, even if six million Jews were deliberately killed during WWII, shouldn't we demand that the Zionized world stop caring so singularly about Jewish suffering? The Jewish obsession with everything Jewish is shamefully narcissistic and burdensome. Their defiant ethnocentrism is an ongoing insult to the rest of the human race.


As for the "un-revisable" six million figure, Jews have superstitious reasons pertaining to the number "six" for claiming that six million died. In fact, similar charges about six million Jews were made, incredibly, in 1919, concerning the fantastic number of Jews facing death during WWI. These nutty allegations were even published in the NY Times. The claimants were Jewish.


But why?


Another reason Jews want to hype the number of victims is that they wanted to have the greatest causality count so they could claim supreme victimhood and reap the political rewards. Holocaust lore is essential to the precarious legitimacy of the Jewish State. Just ask the Palestinians.


But the Holocaust story as now told is a libel on the German people, since it pretends to show that German anti-Semitism sprang from nowhere. But the real story is more complicated.


Rightly or wrongly, the Nazis blamed the Jews for America's entry into WWI as well as the unjust and punitive Treaty of Versailles which followed. It's also undeniable that international Jewry "declared war" (and launched anÊinternational boycott) on Hitler's Germany in 1933. Even the outrage know as "Kristallnacht" was provoked in part by a Jewish assassin (Herschel Grynszpan) who, on November 7, 1938, walked into the German embassy in Paris and shot and killed Ernest vom Rath, a German diplomat.


We know, for instance, that soon after the turn of the century, Jews comprised many if not most of the leading political radicals in Europe. They were instrumental in orchestrating and managing the Communist revolution which killed millions of non-Jews well before Hitler's rise. Why aren't the Nazi-hunters interested in finding any of these mass-murderers? Is it justice they're after, or revenge and political advantage? The "innocent little Jewish shopkeeper" archetype as peddled on TV is a self-exculpating myth.


However, that Jews were persecuted and murdered during Hitler's reign is irrefutable. I've never seen or read a Holocaust "denier" who claims otherwise. Not one. The extraordinary claim that "6,000,000 Jews were systematically murdered" is what they contest. This deliberate mischaracterization of Holocaust revisionism has been spread widely and purposefully by keepers of the Holocaust faith. And the disinformation continues to flow.


David Irving, the imprisoned author of dozens of works on WWII, is now alleged to have recently "recanted" some of his "Holocaust denial claims". But his change-of-heart cannot believed so long as heÊis being held captive on account of his scholarship.


One reader suggested that we call the search for truth in this matter "Holocaust factualism". Good start. Both teams in this historical divide are clearly inundated with advocates posing as scholars. The entire investigation therefore has been rigged from the start. At the same time, it can't be denied that those championing the Official Version are basically holding all the political cards and resources.


But even if we accept their self-serving stories and invisible body counts, it's still outrageous that the Jews and their lackeys deliberately ignore all the non-Jewish fatalities in Hitler's "death camps". Holocaust survivor, Bruno Bettelheim, writing in his book, "Surviving", notes that according to the Communists in East Germany in 1945, as many as 11 million died in Hitler's gulags, of which 5.5 to six million were Jewish. This means that, according to Bettelheim, it's possible that as many as half of Hitler's concentration camp victims were gentiles! Where are the monuments to these innocent people? Why is their story being suppressed? Or should we now direct this Kosher Inquisition towards Bruno Bettelheim?


Whatever your view on the casualty count (or the disputed gas chamber stories), the focus must return to the core issue: intellectual freedom.


Historical truth doesn't need to be protected by any special law or speech code. Irving, Zundel, Rudolf and others, need and deserve our unwavering support if we intend to remain even nominally free.

Mark Green
- e-mail: markgreen@flashpoint-tv.net
- Homepage: http://www.marwenmedia.com

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Nazi Punks Fuck Off

10.12.2005 09:57

The core issue of any genocide is not your freedom to deny it but our joint responsibility in avoiding the next one.
And so there are already many holocaust museums - a welcome fact that I'm unsurprised your quality research failed to uncover.

There have been many genocides in human history and so it would reasonable to expect someone who has a neutral, logical interest in the subject to have investigated several of them. Do you ? Let's have a look at your website. Ah, no mention of the number of Armenians killed by the Turks, just lots and lots of articles about Judaism and Zionism. Well, at least you nail your colours to the mast. And nothing on the numbers of aboriginal americans slaughtered - is that one to close to home for you ?


Hey, I know a good site where your freedom to obssess about the jews without reference to the facts is heartily respected and where noone is treated poorly just because they happen to be Nazi scum - rense.com !

Oh, I see you already post your ever so reasoned propaganda there. Quelle fuckin surprise.

I oppose all laws are unjust and silly, and there are a number of great injustices every day posted on these pages. It's a pity you only care about the ones with Zionist in the title. It means you can't be taken seriously. Now go back to rense and stew in your own ignorant vitriol.

Danny


sigh

10.12.2005 10:21

ban!

rasputin


Shock, anger and sadness.

10.12.2005 10:22

I was really shocked, angry and sad to read this revisionist and anti-semitic text in Indymedia. When I read articles in Indymedia I expect some provocation, criticism or counter-cultural ideas, but not articles which would be better suited to the pages of the BNP website, or one of the hundreds of neo-nazi sites which litter the web. This article says nothing new, which has not been said by neo-nazis around the world for decades. It is a disgrace to Indymedia. Against fascism, racism and patriarchy. frank.

Frank Richardson Schaefer


then stop it !

10.12.2005 10:43

"The core issue of any genocide is not your freedom to deny it but our joint responsibility in avoiding the next one"
so what about the hundred thousand +++ deaths in Iraq, instigated by a Goverment that is payed for by YOU... YES YOU..
The labour party are funded By union money, 14.5 million pounds every bloody year of your Union Money.
Ok opt out of political funds... so then then give the same amount to the Co-op who then give it to New labour.
yes you do have a responsibilty to stop the next holocaust, unfortunatly you are leaving it to someone else.
The COLD truth is if you pay in to a trade union you are FUNDING the goverment that are killing thousands of people.

YOUR Union Money = death

every pound buys a bullet
every bullet someones child
Your pound your war

Your Pound !
respect life

dave


reprint from dense.com

10.12.2005 10:50

I never called for a ban or even for the article to be removed but it is a straight reprint frem Rense.
Now Rense.com sells banner advertising, employs editors etc so for me that's a shameless piece of self-promotion and cashing in on IM that breaks the following :

Newswire Open Posting Guidelines
articles and/or comments may be hidden for the following reasons:
Reposts : Articles that are simply pasted from corporate news sites. Please write something original, by all means link to articles elsewhere and quote from them but don't just copy them.

Mark really should have posted the link with a short description such as 'I am a neo-nazi twit and here is the proof'. And then we could all have said 'Yes, that is proof you are a neo-nazi twit, good reporting'

Danny


Stop it ? Me ?

10.12.2005 11:02

I don't pay taxes nor am I in a union for exactly the reason you mention. And so I can act all smug at moments like this. I've been happily unemployed for 4 years and if they stop me being happily unemployed while this war is on then I'll happily sit in prison before I pay one penny to our glorious leaders genocide. The smugness is temporary, then I get all ashamed because despite that the slaughter continues regardless and nothing I've done or said has stopped the war. Keep telling everyone what you just said though and if enough folk listen then that'd help stop the war.

As for the unions, if Thatcher had tried this war then there would have been a general strike, the unions themselves are complicit in this - for the most part only a few railworkers and the firemen showed any gumption so far.

Danny


Iraq

10.12.2005 13:22

Quote : ""The core issue of any genocide is not your freedom to deny it but our joint responsibility in avoiding the next one"
so what about the hundred thousand +++ deaths in Iraq, instigated by a Goverment that is payed for by YOU... YES YOU.."

The vast majority of those being killed in Iraq are being killed by the terrorist insurgents, the so called "freedom fighters" you praise, who have also kidnapped and beheaded western aid workers, bombed Red Cross and UN instalations, bombed police stations, hospitals, schools etc!

Concerned


The official version is always bullshit

10.12.2005 14:22

how does it go "don't believe everything you read in the newspapers", I also like "don't believe everything you are told" but the best one would be "don't believe anything you are told" someone from the independent newspaper recently referred to "Viewspapers".
I wonder where "concerned" picks up his info a bomb goes off somewhere in Iraq and some one calling himself an insurgent knows he's, well Concernded so he gives him a bell and says i did it i am an insurgent.
But the truth is there are hundreds if not thousands of dodgy types driving around in large SUV type vehicles planting bombs with the aim of causing a civil war.
The official version of history sucks take my goodself Captain Morgan the Pirate, the Buccaneer or the privateer. The three are worlds apart but if you believe the official version I was a sort of swashbuckling Robin Hood of the high seas, played by Errol Flyn, no doubt, and everyone lived happily ever after specially the well to do merchants of cities such as Bristol and Liverpool and London who got a third of the take and their family's are still doing rather well on it of course they are getting a cut of the spoils of the latest campaign but the official version will not mention that .. oh yes those bloody insurgents they are the ones to blame of course.
Regarding the Holocaust I.G Farben is an interesting thread , they were doing business with GW's grand pappy before WW2, they ran the concentration camps during the war and were not fussy about drop down dead while doing a stint of slave labour. There HQ the I G Farben building in Frankfurt was left un touched by Allied bombing while the rest of the city was flattened. They returned to being Bayer BASF and Hoechst after WW2
and if phoney baloney and the rest of the neo nazi labour scum had their way Bayer would be growing lots of wholesome GM food for the UK populace to get obese on..
The whole of the Official version of history from the off is bollox then why should the period 1935-45 be any different one thing for sure some folks got very rich at the expense of many others . INNIT

Capt Morgan


as if

10.12.2005 14:31

I've never used the term 'freedom fighter' as its a propaganda term as surely as 'terrorist' is. Do you know the word terrorism was originally only used to describe state oppression of its own citizens, like where demonstrations were ruthlessly massacred ? Of course a word that defines state-terrorism isn't very useful to the state and so the meaning has been turned on it's head to mean people who oppose state oppression. Unsubtle and unironic.

You know, 100% of the victims of this bloody illegal resource war would still be alive if it hadn't been launched. Nobody used to bomb Iraqi schools and hospitals until the Americans started doing so - and with considerably greater firepower than any Iraqi has at their disposal.

Still, it's nice that you express some grudging sympathy with the victims of your war. Maybe in time you will learn to apologise and make ammends.

Danny


insurgent

10.12.2005 15:00

How can you be a insurgent within your own country ?
did we call the French resistance insurgents and terrorists..NO
Why because we were on the same side in fighting Hitler, I bloody well bet the Nazis called them insurgents and terrorists.. Why because they were fighting to oppress the people.
funny enough our government are acting exactly like the Nazis did,, Invading country's for resources without good reason, so hence the freedom fighters have become insurgents against our occupation.

Civilians, well the French resistance executed nearly 60,000 collaborators with the Nazis. or as the Nazis called them....Civilians of federal Germany.

But we are taught as small children these collaborators were evil people helping the Nazis, so Do Muslims not have the right to call the civilians helping the invaders "collaborators". ?

If a Army of invaders came here to take our country away and enslave our children and steal our resources, would you fight back, would you strike at those working with the invaders to enslave your children ?

As you see these are not statements or my own views nor is it glorifying terrorism, it is a series of question to which you must answer, as you see I can not even write What I want to, because this stinking government of ours that invades other country's has also invaded England and will enslave and persecute me for as much as wording criticism's

Most wars are for gain and profit of the people of the invading force, but I ask you all, what have any of us gained from this war, we have become it's victims as well, frightened to speak out in our own country, jailed for speaking the truth, its just not a war on the East, it's a war on the people at home as well, for the first causality of any war is the truth.. and it is Banned !

Speak it and go to jail


respect human life

Dave


reading the article a good start

10.12.2005 15:10

"Historical truth doesn't need to be protected by any special law or speech code. Irving, Zundel, Rudolf and others, need and deserve our unwavering support if we intend to remain even nominally free."

Perhaps a few posters on this thread would do well to read the whole article.

It is not about denying something happened, it seems, in fact, more about gathering correct information, researching without being villified simply for the process of questioning the accuracy of figures. It happens in every war - numbers of dead supressed or not counted on one side, bolstered on the other, depending on the need for the victors at the time.

It is not sacrilegous to check these facts - there is a huge difference between denying the genocide and questioning the figures.

Since then, a great many acts of genocide and mass murders have occured around the world, some equalling or coming close to the reported no.s of WWII holocaust, and many being able to be accurately defined as holocaust - but have not achieved anywhere near the publicity of that of WWII.

I see this as a travesty, especially when people insist that the term holocaust cannot be reapplied - given its definition, it can and should.

Revisionist historian is a fairly nonsensical phrase in any case. History is initially written by the victors, an honest reinterpretation based on more objectivity and facts as they come inthe aftermath of an event often lead to a greater understanding of the situation, not a breaking down of the truth. In the immediate aftermath (think Menezes) we are often told something very far from the truth. It would be folly to label inquests as 'revisionist history'.

But free speech allows us to discuss, develop, reject and change or confirm our previously held views. Irving and such have as much right to do this (witness changes in his own opinions), as anyone else. We have a duty to uphold that right, not to supress it.

Derek

Derek Lane
- Homepage: http://govinfo.billystyx.co.uk


Duty ? Duty ? We don't need no stickin' duty

10.12.2005 15:49

"Irving, Zundel, Rudolf and others, need and deserve our unwavering support if we intend to remain even nominally free."

Yeah, right, the biggest threat to our freedom is a few right-wing nuts sitting in comfortable jails on short sentences. read the rest of the site, Derek, this isn't a media analysis site this is an activist news site where ever other post contains a genuine injustice far greater than anything you may have considered to have befallen those twits.

Anyone who considers the laws against holocaust denial to be the biggest threat to our freedom has obviously been reading more rense than IM.
Are you not suspicious why these folk only ever question the figures from one genocide, and even then why they only question the numbers of Jewish dead and not the queers, commies, anarchists and disabled ?


"We have a duty to uphold that right, not to supress it. "
In the middle of a fucking genocide in Iraq that our own government is committing we have a duty to stop protesting that so that we can defend someones free speech ? Someone who supports a political party that would deny us free-speech ? Really, Derek, you normally write decent posts but you never actually seem to do any actions. Keep that Voltaire crap to yourself and give us Rousseau.

I suggest you consider the posts Dave wrote to me and consider it written to you. You personally are paying for genocide so why should you have any moral input into this ? Go on, don't you have a 'duty' to explain the people you are paying to ber murdered in Iraq before you start telling the rest of us what our duties are ?

Danny


Ban

10.12.2005 16:18

Ban. I'm for free-speech (although, i kind of undermine it by asking for a ban), but this post is CLEARLY anti-semitic - the subtitle, alone "Isn't it time for a seperation between synagogue and state"

That's a statement clearly implying there is a racial element to the ruling class, which is a classic strand of anti-semitic thought - I'm sure even the Nazis thought that the jews in the cramp and squalid ghettos were running the show.

Ban

Steff
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