Ian Blair should resign now. There was never a debate before Blair's government murdered under shoot to kill. Ian Blair defends shoot to kill. Ian Blair is only asking for a debate because he is trying to distract attention from his corruptness. We can see he is a corrupt monster.
Jean Charles de Menezes an innoncent
Ian Blair liar corrupt puppet of Tony Blair and New Labour
The British police force can't be trusted as long as we have a liar in charge. Ian Blair is a disgrace to the law and the British legal system. Ian Blair a policeman, head of the British police keeps saying shoot to kill should be looked into, but only when he is criticized because he is corrupt and the police who served under him are murderers.
The Jean Charles de Menezes family are campaigning for shoot to kill to be banned. Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair repeatedly blocked a campaign against shoot to kill, and he lied and blocked an investigation into the murder of Jean Charles de Menezes. Ian Blair is trying to shift the blame from himself. Charles Clarke and Tony Blair allow this monster to continue to be in charge of the British police and make a mockery of any justice of the law. But New Labour want a police state and Ian Blair is part of their corruption.
Shooting one bullet into the head of Jean Charles de Menezes would have killed this innocent young man. A sign of British police state brutality is that they shot a disarmed, pinned down, man several times in the head. Ian Blair’s police used illegal, internationally banned expandable bullets. Ian Blair and Charles Clarke must have authorized this, the weapons were paid for with British taxpayers money.
Copyright 16 November 2005, this may only be reproduced in full and with permission. This article can only be used to support the campaign against shoot to kill, and the campaign for Ian Blair a corrupt lying Police Chief to resign.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/16/nmenez16.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/16/ixportaltop.html
Police used 'dum dum' bullets to kill de Menezes
By John Steele
(Filed: 16/11/2005)
The Brazilian man shot dead by police in the mistaken belief that he was a suicide bomber was killed with a type of bullet banned in warfare under international convention, The Daily Telegraph has learned.
The firing of hollow point ammunition into the head of Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, is believed to be the first use of the bullets by British police.
It will re-ignite controversy around the shooting, at Stockwell Underground station, south London, on July 22.
Modern hollow point bullets are descendants of the expanding "dum dum" ammunition created by the British in an arsenal of the same name near Calcutta, in India, at the end of the 19th century and outlawed under the Hague Declaration of 1899.
The bullets, which expand and splinter on impact, were available to officers taking part in Operation Kratos, the national police drive against suspected suicide bombers which has been described as a "shoot to kill" policy.
Their issue was sanctioned after research suggested that they were an effective close-quarters ammunition for use against someone about to trigger a suicide bomb.
It is believed the decision was influenced by the tactics used by air marshals on passenger jets - where such bullets are designed to splinter in the body and not burst the fuselage. They have been assessed as posing less risk to people around the suicide bomber than conventional bullets but the effect on victims is devastating.
Like the overall Kratos policy, the decision to make dum dum-style bullets available was taken in secret. However, it is understood that the Home Office became aware three years ago that police were considering their use.
Negotiations on possible national guidance are understood to have been inconclusive and the choice of ammunition appears to be at the discretion of police chiefs, not the Home Secretary.
There is no legal prohibition on police use of such ammunition. The Home Office confirmed last night that "chief officers may use whatever ammunition they consider appropriate to meet their operational needs".
It is understood from security sources that hollow point bullets are still available as an option to police firearms teams in Kratos-type cases.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating the shooting during which seven bullets were fired into Mr de Menezes's head and one into his shoulder.
A number of officers, including members of the firearms and surveillance teams and the Scotland Yard commander who ran the operation, Cressida Dick, have been issued with notices that they are subject to inquiries by the IPCC.
Hollow-point bullets: used at the discretion of police chiefs
The UK is a corrupt military police state.
The Jean Charles de Menezes family are campaigning for shoot to kill to be banned. Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair repeatedly blocked a campaign against shoot to kill, and he lied and blocked an investigation into the murder of Jean Charles de Menezes. Ian Blair is trying to shift the blame from himself. Charles Clarke and Tony Blair allow this monster to continue to be in charge of the British police and make a mockery of any justice of the law. But New Labour want a police state and Ian Blair is part of their corruption.
Shooting one bullet into the head of Jean Charles de Menezes would have killed this innocent young man. A sign of British police state brutality is that they shot a disarmed, pinned down, man several times in the head. Ian Blair’s police used illegal, internationally banned expandable bullets. Ian Blair and Charles Clarke must have authorized this, the weapons were paid for with British taxpayers money.
Copyright 16 November 2005, this may only be reproduced in full and with permission. This article can only be used to support the campaign against shoot to kill, and the campaign for Ian Blair a corrupt lying Police Chief to resign.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/16/nmenez16.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/16/ixportaltop.html Police used 'dum dum' bullets to kill de Menezes
By John Steele
(Filed: 16/11/2005)
The Brazilian man shot dead by police in the mistaken belief that he was a suicide bomber was killed with a type of bullet banned in warfare under international convention, The Daily Telegraph has learned.
The firing of hollow point ammunition into the head of Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, is believed to be the first use of the bullets by British police.
It will re-ignite controversy around the shooting, at Stockwell Underground station, south London, on July 22.
Modern hollow point bullets are descendants of the expanding "dum dum" ammunition created by the British in an arsenal of the same name near Calcutta, in India, at the end of the 19th century and outlawed under the Hague Declaration of 1899.
The bullets, which expand and splinter on impact, were available to officers taking part in Operation Kratos, the national police drive against suspected suicide bombers which has been described as a "shoot to kill" policy.
Their issue was sanctioned after research suggested that they were an effective close-quarters ammunition for use against someone about to trigger a suicide bomb.
It is believed the decision was influenced by the tactics used by air marshals on passenger jets - where such bullets are designed to splinter in the body and not burst the fuselage. They have been assessed as posing less risk to people around the suicide bomber than conventional bullets but the effect on victims is devastating.
Like the overall Kratos policy, the decision to make dum dum-style bullets available was taken in secret. However, it is understood that the Home Office became aware three years ago that police were considering their use.
Negotiations on possible national guidance are understood to have been inconclusive and the choice of ammunition appears to be at the discretion of police chiefs, not the Home Secretary.
There is no legal prohibition on police use of such ammunition. The Home Office confirmed last night that "chief officers may use whatever ammunition they consider appropriate to meet their operational needs".
It is understood from security sources that hollow point bullets are still available as an option to police firearms teams in Kratos-type cases.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating the shooting during which seven bullets were fired into Mr de Menezes's head and one into his shoulder.
A number of officers, including members of the firearms and surveillance teams and the Scotland Yard commander who ran the operation, Cressida Dick, have been issued with notices that they are subject to inquiries by the IPCC.
Hollow-point bullets: used at the discretion of police chiefs
The UK is a corrupt military police state.
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Oh quit with the polemic
16.11.2005 22:49
Totalitarian State (def): A state or government which regulates every aspect of public and private behavior. Totalitarian regimes mobilise entire populations in support of the state and a political ideology, and do not tolerate activities by individuals or groups such as labor unions, churches and political parties that are not directed toward the state's goals.
Mate, there may be many many problems with the political position but I think you need to learn what a Police State really means before bandying about such terms.
Amused
Who cares if you're amused
16.11.2005 23:26
If Briton isn’t a police state, why haven’t the police who beat Babar Ahmed faced charges and why do Blair’s government want to send him to America when Babar has not been found guilty of any crime in the UK?
The UK is a police state. See what British police can get away with
Not amused with Blair's police state
Border line police state
17.11.2005 03:05
'the police are the public and the public are the police'
- The most surveilled nation on earth.
- Plans to track all motor vehicles.
- The intelligence services above effective parliamentary scrutiny.
- Elective dictatorship, two parties and one ideology.
- Progressive repeal of habeas corpus, jury trials
- Wars started by manufactured consent
etc. etc. etc.
anon
title to this article should be 'Blair's'
17.11.2005 05:16
Paulo
a theory...
17.11.2005 10:48
a while ago a comedian did a sketch on TV
after the shooting of the guy in new york
on the steps of his apartment
he was shot multiple times [much more than de menezes]
his sketch consisted of actually counting the number of shots with a bang
"just how many times do you need to shoot a man..."
bang 1
bang 2
etc
it was very moving
my point is this:
why would these agents shoot de Menezes so many times to the head?
with dum dum bullets exploding the skull
there would not have been much left to this
poor young mans head at all...
so...
was it actually a case of hiding someones identity then hiring a dodgy coroner
to deal with & cover everything up
[the coroner was found to be already awaiting charges for
tampering with other cases]
its a strange one
If the cops panicked on that tube they would have fired all through his body
but testimony has it that
the shots rang out over a period of 11 seconds
in a methodical manner...
just a thought
maybe Mark Whitbys witness statements were true
and he did witness an 'Asian' man on that tube
and he was shot & killed
while de menezes body was planted at the scene
and shot at methodically...
Who was this other Asian gentlemen?
Was it one of the original 'suicide bombers'
my money is on Hasib Hussein
who saw bombs going off all around him on the 7th
panicked... and instead of getting on that bus
[like he was instructed to...?]
did a runner- and hid on stockwell with a mate
yep it's a wild and whacky theory
go ahead lampoon away
me