These governments ARE the terrorists
AUSTRALIA: Months before Bali Au warships were seen invading Iraqi territorial waters in deliberate provocations under American protection. It was obvious that Howard had decided before Bali to join in an illegal and aggressive invasion of Iraq and in fact , when that happened, it was led by Au stormtroopers BEFORE the ultimatum given Baghdad had even run out!
Such criminality should surely have put Howard in the dock at the Hague by now yet the preening little pinocchio has the unmitigated gall to create a full blown police state here!
Those who refuse to remember the past must be condemned to repeat it as Nazi war criminal Hermann Goerring was interviewed by a psychologist named Dr. Gustave Gilbert during his Nuremberg trial.
'Of course, the people don't want war,' Goerring said. 'Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.
'Naturally, the common people don't want war... . That is understood. After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a Fascist dictatorship or a parliament or a communist dictatorship,' Goerring said.
Gilbert responded: 'There's one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives. And in the United States only Congress can declare wars.' Spoken like a true believer.
You can almost hear the snicker in Goerring's retort. 'Oh, that is all well and good. But voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.'
The Alternative Liberal Party Premiers blew a brilliant opportunity to point out the mortal danger that Howards criminal warmongering has placed all Australians but they prefer to kiss the hand of the mini- Mussolini and out-bid the Tories on even more outrageously and directly fascist police state ' laws'.
These ' laws' are nothing of the kind and, in fact they repeal the rule of law in favour of the situation that existed prior to the famous Magna Carta - we have a new dark age - and its run by the new National Socialists.
A virtual Anchluss between the so-called ' opposition' and the conservatives.
Au could have gone down the NZ and Canada track yet under virtual one fuhrer rule we were dragged off to another land war in Asia with Uncle Scam.
This war in SW Asia is as lost as the one in SE Asia make no mistake. You don't spread freedom and democracy around the world with 250,000 bullets fired for each ' terrorist' killed.
These governments don't protect us from the terrorists - look at what happened to that poor bastard on the tube, Cornelia Rau and Vivian Alvares - these governments ARE the terrorists.
TIME TO BAIL OUT FOLKS
By FX Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 07:05 PM
Well seems the Premiers heard this story that shocked them so much that they bent over backwoods to sign up and I'm just wondering why we can't hear the story they said they were told?
What about 4 corners next week? If it shocked them into signing on to these draconian laws then it should shock up so lets see if it is shocking?
Seen as how we have to wait 10 years before the sun goes down? But by then what will it mean? Nothing but abnormal and aberrant behaviour from the powers that be!
Bob Brown, Kerry Nettle, anyone who can ask a question without notice. Will you please demand we are briefed as well so we can understand why?
Because if we were not briefed I would have thought they've just lied to us.
DEMAND THAT WE HEAR THE SAME STORY AND LETS SEE IF WE FORM THE SAME CONCLUSIONS.
WHERE ARE OUR REPRESENTATIVES? WE DEMAND TO HEAR THE SAME STORY. WE DEMAND THE RIGHT TO KNOW! WE DEMAND THE COMMUNICATION THAT CANNOT BE BOUGHT OR SOLD BECAUSE LIKE FIRE, AIR AND WATER IT BELONGS TO THE COMMUNITY.
Are there any demos organised?
by davey Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 07:22 PM
ALthough details are thin on the ground - these appear to be some of the laws agreed too:
* preventative detention of citizens for up to 14 days
* electron tagging of citizens to control their movement for up to 12 months with no charges
* undisclosed increased powers for Federal Police and ASIO
* changing the law on "sedition" to make it a crime to "incite violence or use force against another group in the community on the basis of race, nationality, political opinion". Its also a crime to "encourage terrorism" or to support the killing of Australian troops overseas (ie by Iraqi resistance"
* these new laws should be drafted within weeks
IS ANYONE ORGANISING PUBLIC DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST THESE FASCIST LAWS - IF SO PLEASE POST ASAP ON INDYMEDIA
thanks
Sustained civil resistance required
by pr Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 07:44 PM
When citizens can be dissappeared without natural justice - the hard won rights of presumption of innocence, due process, right to face accusers and appeal have all been murdered by this new neo-fascist combine harvester of Liberal and Alternative Liberal parties.
So we must fight this and fight this hard. I suggest and volunteer for an immediate sustained campaign of civil disobedience. We can do that right here by posting material in support of the right of Muslims to defend themselves in their own lands.
We can also publish the names and address's of spooks, cops and politicians and their families.
This will be like the Ghandian campaign to go to the sea only we will go to our sea of dreams, the net, and we make bulk salt to rub in the eyes of our statist fascist warmongering enemies and we will win.
This is classic people power vs the empire and it can go only one way. Power to the people!
Yrs in militant resistance - pr
davey's ultimatum
by le prol Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 08:41 PM
Why don't you protest on November 6th, or maybe you don't see the connections..
Once you attend your mass of civil disobedience, what will change?
The community will start to feel the pinch, but things are likely to get worse before they get better.
Eventually people will be detained for taking a sicky from work and the government will draw a perplexing line such as:
Taking a day of work hurts the economy, hurting the economy hurts the funding to Australian imperialism and if you dont help fund the war, you are responcible for killing innocent Australian consumers and therefore your a terrorist and terrorists like you are 'sub-human filth' (but with more confusing euphemisms of course).
p.s. I support the Iraqi resistance.
This is the violent revolution
by civil disobedient Wednesday September 28, 2005 at 05:57 AM
The problem is that it's a right-wing coporate suck-hole christian nut case violent revolution, and they are revolting.
I do agree with what is required and in my own way I encourage it in all its diversity. I don't see the masses in opposition, it just seems like they've been hypnotised with all the psy-ops inflicted apon us lately; deporting activists, terror video's, imaginary terror senario's on the news, the problem with gothic (wait, no that one was real).
What makes it worse is that they are reaching down to young puppies and placing the leish around their necks. If they even take it off after a ten year sunset the old dogs will just stand with their tail between its legs, too afraid of their own freedom to say woof. I think decent people have to make sure to teach the puppies how to do good tricks, you know, disobedience classes.
http://gnn.tv/videos/3/The_Most_Dangerous_Game
The truth behind Nazis and U.S. psyops
The Most Dangerous Game traces the history of top-secret CIA mind control operation MK-ULTRA: from the covert importation of NAZI scientists at the end of WWII, to the illegal brainwashing experiments conducted on the patients of world famous psychiatric researcher, Dr. Ewen Cameron – cut to the pulsing hypnotica of Mitchell Akiyama.
Have you seen this vid?
Just thought you might like it.
Thanks pr
by Simon Wednesday September 28, 2005 at 08:47 AM
Demonstrations.
The only thing left in a democracy that motivates people to share the burden of disquiet, Marchin and chantin, we pack our lunches head for the city and receive 10 seconds on the nightly news bulletin.
For this latest cause there's just no way 80% of the nation will throw their opinion behind the active demonstration, few feel they would be affected.
The- target of these laws appears to be brown skins not white Australians, majority law.
Why would they oppose it, the law is for the protection of majorities against those who might upset their comfort zone.
In most eyes and in most respects Howard has achieved war held at arms length, we in our enclave are protected by sea and a hefty penalty for those caught sneaking in. Is there really a world war on?
A new 'sus' law is now bought in to tighten the safety net, so that anyone who looks sideways at our wonderful authority can kiss goodbye to the type of freedom it once offered.
All before Joe public realises the nation has become a police state.
This law will put away anyone, brown white or black, who has the time or position to threaten either of the two coalition parties currently in agreement, neither one has the majority vote. Liberal or labour will now suppress democracy further until Australia is sold to Americans on consignment.
You can see where its leading, WMD got us into the oil, Democracy spread, now the reason, allows us to remain, torture gets the information, undercover of darkness in local costume stirs up trouble and we have the photos to prove Anglo Saxon behaviour is Evil.
It's a black day for freedom, but until the public see what's going on there will be no demonstrations.
Throw shoes? I know its stupid but at least they hang in the news a little longer.
Call for a colalition of convienience
by pr Monday September 26, 2005 at 09:51 PM
Recent attempts to form a superstrong centralized police state in Europe failed. It's worth a closer look at that. People don't mind being able to use a simple and regional means of exchange ( the Euro ) or take advantage of the Shengen agreement to travel and move about Europe freely but when it came to the granting of superstate status a loose and networked 'coalition of the willing ' stopped them in their tracks.
This coalition included elements of the far left and the far right. That is what may be needed here short of an invasion by interstellar anarchists bent on saving us all from ourselves.
(Oh and I still think all the present leadership of the Alternative Liberal Party have all earned fucking ****ing over Laura Order. )
Just my 2c.
Plenty of oversight
by Dead Fred Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 12:57 AM
Think of your complaint options pr like the you can complain to the Observerman or the Human Rights and Equal Terrorism Commission and if all else fails well theres the Police Selective Commission.
And if you really get into deep shit, who you gonna call?
Ghost Busters!
That's good advice if Lib/Lab vote for the same rules! Like the writer says I think they'll continue to have us think they helped us out but as we all know they are about to send us down the train station any time now!
Back to the future
by Simon Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 10:34 AM
Detaining people without charges is a lot easier than making up false allegations. The system invites corruption where no one is accountable, who are you going to sue? Who's going to listen, have you got the money?
They will be able to break down the door search your home steal your computer drag you off for interrogation hoping to find at least something to charge you with and always in the back of the process is the trump card, the right to remove your citizenship if you were not born here or your parents came from somwhere other than europe.
Theres the makings of a white only policy for 2006.
Reichstag Security - Achtung!
The Reichland was calm today following the passing of the Fuhrer's enabling acts. These acts were drawn up to deal with the disgraceful state of anarchy that the Reichsland was falling into.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/96182.php
Mein Kampf by John Howard
All Sieg Heil John Howard as his enabling act gets passed.
http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59576&group=webcast
Such criminality should surely have put Howard in the dock at the Hague by now yet the preening little pinocchio has the unmitigated gall to create a full blown police state here!
Those who refuse to remember the past must be condemned to repeat it as Nazi war criminal Hermann Goerring was interviewed by a psychologist named Dr. Gustave Gilbert during his Nuremberg trial.
'Of course, the people don't want war,' Goerring said. 'Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.
'Naturally, the common people don't want war... . That is understood. After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a Fascist dictatorship or a parliament or a communist dictatorship,' Goerring said.
Gilbert responded: 'There's one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives. And in the United States only Congress can declare wars.' Spoken like a true believer.
You can almost hear the snicker in Goerring's retort. 'Oh, that is all well and good. But voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.'
The Alternative Liberal Party Premiers blew a brilliant opportunity to point out the mortal danger that Howards criminal warmongering has placed all Australians but they prefer to kiss the hand of the mini- Mussolini and out-bid the Tories on even more outrageously and directly fascist police state ' laws'.
These ' laws' are nothing of the kind and, in fact they repeal the rule of law in favour of the situation that existed prior to the famous Magna Carta - we have a new dark age - and its run by the new National Socialists.
A virtual Anchluss between the so-called ' opposition' and the conservatives.
Au could have gone down the NZ and Canada track yet under virtual one fuhrer rule we were dragged off to another land war in Asia with Uncle Scam.
This war in SW Asia is as lost as the one in SE Asia make no mistake. You don't spread freedom and democracy around the world with 250,000 bullets fired for each ' terrorist' killed.
These governments don't protect us from the terrorists - look at what happened to that poor bastard on the tube, Cornelia Rau and Vivian Alvares - these governments ARE the terrorists.
TIME TO BAIL OUT FOLKS
By FX Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 07:05 PM
Well seems the Premiers heard this story that shocked them so much that they bent over backwoods to sign up and I'm just wondering why we can't hear the story they said they were told?
What about 4 corners next week? If it shocked them into signing on to these draconian laws then it should shock up so lets see if it is shocking?
Seen as how we have to wait 10 years before the sun goes down? But by then what will it mean? Nothing but abnormal and aberrant behaviour from the powers that be!
Bob Brown, Kerry Nettle, anyone who can ask a question without notice. Will you please demand we are briefed as well so we can understand why?
Because if we were not briefed I would have thought they've just lied to us.
DEMAND THAT WE HEAR THE SAME STORY AND LETS SEE IF WE FORM THE SAME CONCLUSIONS.
WHERE ARE OUR REPRESENTATIVES? WE DEMAND TO HEAR THE SAME STORY. WE DEMAND THE RIGHT TO KNOW! WE DEMAND THE COMMUNICATION THAT CANNOT BE BOUGHT OR SOLD BECAUSE LIKE FIRE, AIR AND WATER IT BELONGS TO THE COMMUNITY.
Are there any demos organised?
by davey Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 07:22 PM
ALthough details are thin on the ground - these appear to be some of the laws agreed too:
* preventative detention of citizens for up to 14 days
* electron tagging of citizens to control their movement for up to 12 months with no charges
* undisclosed increased powers for Federal Police and ASIO
* changing the law on "sedition" to make it a crime to "incite violence or use force against another group in the community on the basis of race, nationality, political opinion". Its also a crime to "encourage terrorism" or to support the killing of Australian troops overseas (ie by Iraqi resistance"
* these new laws should be drafted within weeks
IS ANYONE ORGANISING PUBLIC DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST THESE FASCIST LAWS - IF SO PLEASE POST ASAP ON INDYMEDIA
thanks
Sustained civil resistance required
by pr Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 07:44 PM
When citizens can be dissappeared without natural justice - the hard won rights of presumption of innocence, due process, right to face accusers and appeal have all been murdered by this new neo-fascist combine harvester of Liberal and Alternative Liberal parties.
So we must fight this and fight this hard. I suggest and volunteer for an immediate sustained campaign of civil disobedience. We can do that right here by posting material in support of the right of Muslims to defend themselves in their own lands.
We can also publish the names and address's of spooks, cops and politicians and their families.
This will be like the Ghandian campaign to go to the sea only we will go to our sea of dreams, the net, and we make bulk salt to rub in the eyes of our statist fascist warmongering enemies and we will win.
This is classic people power vs the empire and it can go only one way. Power to the people!
Yrs in militant resistance - pr
davey's ultimatum
by le prol Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 08:41 PM
Why don't you protest on November 6th, or maybe you don't see the connections..
Once you attend your mass of civil disobedience, what will change?
The community will start to feel the pinch, but things are likely to get worse before they get better.
Eventually people will be detained for taking a sicky from work and the government will draw a perplexing line such as:
Taking a day of work hurts the economy, hurting the economy hurts the funding to Australian imperialism and if you dont help fund the war, you are responcible for killing innocent Australian consumers and therefore your a terrorist and terrorists like you are 'sub-human filth' (but with more confusing euphemisms of course).
p.s. I support the Iraqi resistance.
This is the violent revolution
by civil disobedient Wednesday September 28, 2005 at 05:57 AM
The problem is that it's a right-wing coporate suck-hole christian nut case violent revolution, and they are revolting.
I do agree with what is required and in my own way I encourage it in all its diversity. I don't see the masses in opposition, it just seems like they've been hypnotised with all the psy-ops inflicted apon us lately; deporting activists, terror video's, imaginary terror senario's on the news, the problem with gothic (wait, no that one was real).
What makes it worse is that they are reaching down to young puppies and placing the leish around their necks. If they even take it off after a ten year sunset the old dogs will just stand with their tail between its legs, too afraid of their own freedom to say woof. I think decent people have to make sure to teach the puppies how to do good tricks, you know, disobedience classes.
http://gnn.tv/videos/3/The_Most_Dangerous_Game The truth behind Nazis and U.S. psyops
The Most Dangerous Game traces the history of top-secret CIA mind control operation MK-ULTRA: from the covert importation of NAZI scientists at the end of WWII, to the illegal brainwashing experiments conducted on the patients of world famous psychiatric researcher, Dr. Ewen Cameron – cut to the pulsing hypnotica of Mitchell Akiyama.
Have you seen this vid?
Just thought you might like it.
Thanks pr
by Simon Wednesday September 28, 2005 at 08:47 AM
Demonstrations.
The only thing left in a democracy that motivates people to share the burden of disquiet, Marchin and chantin, we pack our lunches head for the city and receive 10 seconds on the nightly news bulletin.
For this latest cause there's just no way 80% of the nation will throw their opinion behind the active demonstration, few feel they would be affected.
The- target of these laws appears to be brown skins not white Australians, majority law.
Why would they oppose it, the law is for the protection of majorities against those who might upset their comfort zone.
In most eyes and in most respects Howard has achieved war held at arms length, we in our enclave are protected by sea and a hefty penalty for those caught sneaking in. Is there really a world war on?
A new 'sus' law is now bought in to tighten the safety net, so that anyone who looks sideways at our wonderful authority can kiss goodbye to the type of freedom it once offered.
All before Joe public realises the nation has become a police state.
This law will put away anyone, brown white or black, who has the time or position to threaten either of the two coalition parties currently in agreement, neither one has the majority vote. Liberal or labour will now suppress democracy further until Australia is sold to Americans on consignment.
You can see where its leading, WMD got us into the oil, Democracy spread, now the reason, allows us to remain, torture gets the information, undercover of darkness in local costume stirs up trouble and we have the photos to prove Anglo Saxon behaviour is Evil.
It's a black day for freedom, but until the public see what's going on there will be no demonstrations.
Throw shoes? I know its stupid but at least they hang in the news a little longer.
Call for a colalition of convienience
by pr Monday September 26, 2005 at 09:51 PM
Recent attempts to form a superstrong centralized police state in Europe failed. It's worth a closer look at that. People don't mind being able to use a simple and regional means of exchange ( the Euro ) or take advantage of the Shengen agreement to travel and move about Europe freely but when it came to the granting of superstate status a loose and networked 'coalition of the willing ' stopped them in their tracks.
This coalition included elements of the far left and the far right. That is what may be needed here short of an invasion by interstellar anarchists bent on saving us all from ourselves.
(Oh and I still think all the present leadership of the Alternative Liberal Party have all earned fucking ****ing over Laura Order. )
Just my 2c.
Plenty of oversight
by Dead Fred Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 12:57 AM
Think of your complaint options pr like the you can complain to the Observerman or the Human Rights and Equal Terrorism Commission and if all else fails well theres the Police Selective Commission.
And if you really get into deep shit, who you gonna call?
Ghost Busters!
That's good advice if Lib/Lab vote for the same rules! Like the writer says I think they'll continue to have us think they helped us out but as we all know they are about to send us down the train station any time now!
Back to the future
by Simon Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 10:34 AM
Detaining people without charges is a lot easier than making up false allegations. The system invites corruption where no one is accountable, who are you going to sue? Who's going to listen, have you got the money?
They will be able to break down the door search your home steal your computer drag you off for interrogation hoping to find at least something to charge you with and always in the back of the process is the trump card, the right to remove your citizenship if you were not born here or your parents came from somwhere other than europe.
Theres the makings of a white only policy for 2006.
Reichstag Security - Achtung!
The Reichland was calm today following the passing of the Fuhrer's enabling acts. These acts were drawn up to deal with the disgraceful state of anarchy that the Reichsland was falling into.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/96182.php Mein Kampf by John Howard
All Sieg Heil John Howard as his enabling act gets passed.
http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59576&group=webcast 
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