This July, the G8 is coming to Gleneagles, Scotland. The Dissent! Network is mobilising to ensure that the Summit does not pass by uncontested. Preparations are well underway and we have found a Convergence Centre. However, we urgently need funds to pay for the massive ammount of resources needed to accommodate the 10's of thousands of protesters expected. We estimate that we need to raise a further £30,000!!
Please make a generous donation to the Dissent! Network through our webpage
http://www.dissent.org.uk/donate.html, or by direct deposit into our bank account:
Account Name: Dissent
Bank Name: The Cooperative Bank
Sort Code: 08-92-99
Account Number 6515 5518
For international bank transfers you will also need the following codes:
IBAN: GB85 CPBK 0892 9965 1555 18
SWIFT: CPBKGB22
Cheques can also be made out to "The Dissent Network" and mailed to: "Dissent Funding, Box 8, 245 Gladstone Street, Forest Fields, Nottingham, NG7 6HX".
Other payment methods are available on our webpage.
How You Can Help:
* Forward this email, and get in touch with people or organisations you know who might have available funds or be able to help raise funds.
* Help with our Ten Pounds Appeal at http://www.tenpounds.org
* Host events in your local area to both raise funds and awareness.
* ask websites to link to our donate button at
http://www.dissent.org.uk/donate.html
Additional fundraising ideas can be found at:
www.dissent.org.uk/content/view/90/66/
For more information on the Dissent! Network, visit
www.dissent.org.uk
To contact us with questions, or to get help with fundraising, email: dissent-funding (at)
lists.riseup.net
Please make a generous donation to the Dissent! Network through our webpage
http://www.dissent.org.uk/donate.html, or by direct deposit into our bank account: Account Name: Dissent
Bank Name: The Cooperative Bank
Sort Code: 08-92-99
Account Number 6515 5518
For international bank transfers you will also need the following codes:
IBAN: GB85 CPBK 0892 9965 1555 18
SWIFT: CPBKGB22
Cheques can also be made out to "The Dissent Network" and mailed to: "Dissent Funding, Box 8, 245 Gladstone Street, Forest Fields, Nottingham, NG7 6HX".
Other payment methods are available on our webpage.
How You Can Help:
* Forward this email, and get in touch with people or organisations you know who might have available funds or be able to help raise funds.
* Help with our Ten Pounds Appeal at
http://www.tenpounds.org * Host events in your local area to both raise funds and awareness.
* ask websites to link to our donate button at
http://www.dissent.org.uk/donate.html Additional fundraising ideas can be found at:
www.dissent.org.uk/content/view/90/66/
For more information on the Dissent! Network, visit
www.dissent.org.uk
To contact us with questions, or to get help with fundraising, email: dissent-funding (at)
lists.riseup.net
Comments
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Surprise surprise !
23.05.2005 13:24
Actions against the G8 are going to be most effective when they are from small autonomous, unconnected groups. Standing around with a bunch of SWP wankers in a Police controlled cordon moaning how you are miles from the meeting is just a waste of time.
If we act is small groups we can rome free through the area, visiting say local hotels where those organising the event are staying. Or perhaps locking on across ALL the roads in the area.
Is Dissent the new Greenpeace - one long publicity stunt designed to raise money ?
Independent Demonstrator
All you really want to do is fight!
23.05.2005 13:33
Sees through the anti-capitalist mask
How much ?
23.05.2005 14:08
Are you having a laugh or what. Somebody is doing well out this.
£SD
Fluffy
23.05.2005 15:02
Let's get back to the real message of this, our opposition to the G8 and all it stands for. This is not supposed to be a weekend away.
PF
Indie protestor is fuckin right
23.05.2005 15:05
crass
Come on you miracle workers - outside now!
23.05.2005 17:54
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If you think we can be successful in any of our actions then stop thinking it gets done without organising. If you think things can be rustled up for free then I'm sure people are ready to be amazed by your jesus-like miracles as well. Maybe you can conjure up some skilled people to build some computers from the raw materials in the rocks in africa. Or you drill a magic oil well or something to run the cars on. Or magically transform the paper that comes from trees from the treees themselves...all at once! Wow!
I for one would like to see proper toilet facilities and electricity at the convergence spaces and don't want to rely on you magicians and middle class peeps who turn up for the convergence and add nothing to the collective efforts to sort shit out. If you want to have shit and piss flowing past your tent door then go and pitch up at the local sewers instead.
And the joke about Dissent being the SWP : that is not even worthy of comment. Don't give up your day job yet.
Krop
It's a lot of money - it's a massive protest
23.05.2005 18:19
As for Dissent being a "government approved, low fat demo," tell that to the Dissent volunteers getting regular hassle from the cops. And, if you want to lock-on across all the roads in the area, aren't you doing to need to co-ordinate that in some way, perhaps through, I don't know, a network of resistance?
Voluntary Slave
No money
23.05.2005 19:36
Staying alone
late arrivals....
23.05.2005 20:01
for a long time we have deliberately isolated ourselves from the dissent network.
however, as opportunists and finding ourselves in need of an imediate injection of cash in order that we can prepare to fulfil those roles that we have set ourselves, we took the oppurtunity to blag some money.
not having been connected with the network it took us by suprise that the money was so readily forthcoming. this is not to say that we got all we asked for. the cash that came into our hands amounted to 50% of it, with a promise to try and fund the rest later.
i aint talking a few quid here, i'm talking substantial cashflow injection.
this money will allow us to be diverse and multi-directional in our tactics and events as well as to be creative of mind.
quite frankly, you fuqqers who posted earlier, aint got a clue what you're on about, and knowing as i do what this money is intended for i would urge all those who can to support this appeal.
there are times when it is best that we function in small affinity grouping, that is for certain. but, and it is a very big BUT......there are times, particularly if we wish to see a certain revolutionary groundswell when WE MUST stand shoulder to shoulder.
it is when this occurs that we will see for ourselves just how many we truly are. and it is my belief that when this happens we will know that the future is ours.
oh, by the way, if you expect my 75 year old granny (who lives with absolutely no income), my pregnant sister and my wheelchair bound friends to sleep on floors or in tents, then you are a bigger dickhead than i first thought.
one last thing, two of us from the above mentioned confusion attended the small group that allocated funding. a secondary suprise was the input we offered that was readily accepted towards the allocating of several 10's of £1,000's. it's very transparent, you just have to get connected to be connected, innit.
two last thing, can ye no imagine all them hotels. like how many coppers will be protecting them.
get real in your action if not in your head!!!!!!!!!!!!
no body in particular
Do the maths
23.05.2005 20:14
Voluntary Slave
Value for money
23.05.2005 20:49
You may be lucky enough to have already sorted somewhere to stay in Scotland. You may be able to afford to eat out every day or whatever - but lots of people aren't that lucky.
Dissident
Sad but true...we live under capitalism, so stop bitching and fight!
23.05.2005 22:37
Yes this is a lot of fuckin money, and yeah it sucks that we live under capitalism, but its a fact at the moment and we've got to deal with that (and the best way is this resistance...!)
When I first saw the £30,000 request, I too thought WTF!
But actually it really isnt that much considering what needs to be done. Like someone said above, I dont really want piss and crap all around my tent. I would also like to eat that week. And a bail fund is pretty re-assuring too. Squatting is illegal in Scotland, and yeah maybe if enough people get together we could pull it off, but loads of protesters would then have to spend the entire week defending it instead of shutting down the G8. Or are you suggesting we repeat Dublin, leaving people charged with squating in the nick, and the rest of us without anywhere to sleep?!
If 10,000 of us show up in July, thats £3 per person. Are you trying to claim that land, toilets, catering, legal support and medical support for 10,000 people for a week should cost less than £3 per person? If so, Id love to know where the fuck you do yer shopping!!! :)
This is less money than previous mobilisations, and faced with a fair few difficulties - not least the current small, and fractured movements. As Nobody in particular said very well, if you actually come to meetings you find that the money is kept right down to minimum, everything is about as transparent as humanly possible and people are real upfront about whats going on - which is to say, a hell of a lot of hard work from somepeople (cos others are too busy on here bitchin - oh, sorry "being autonomous"...) to get a safe, self-organised space for 10,000 people to fuck up the G8's party.
And to the person trying to claim Dissent are in with the law and the SWP - Go fuck yourself, it aint my fault if your too lazy to get off your arse and help, if you had done youd know your comments were bullshit.
Anyone who doesnt think convergence spaces grow on trees but wants to help, and whos based nr Reading, please come along to a benefit punk gig at RISC on 4th June (training workshops, discussions etc from 12-6, gig from 7-11 ish). See ya in the pit...
...and on the streets! Rage.
Rage
e-mail:
reading-anti-g8(at)cyber-rights.net
Homepage:
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How many
24.05.2005 05:46
"Shit, I need somewhere to sleep and something to eat"
You can justify it all you like but £30,000 is a rip off and this has more to do with general fund raising than it does looking after those attending. And if you wondering why people are making the link to the SWP ots because thats exactly what they do !
Dave
For pitys sake
24.05.2005 07:53
For pitys sake. The people who are throwing around conspiracy theories on this thread are exactly the people who will turn up with one day to go near Glenagles and then moan that there is no infrastructure. NO wonder we bloody lose all the time, you lot seem much more interested in attacking your own side (not even the SWP, but fellow anti-authoritarian activists) than Blair et al. Anyone who has been the least bit involved in Dissent! might have a number of complaints - but I don't think that nicking money or being 'government sponsored' would be among them. Idiots.
Matt
Matt S
Budget concerns
24.05.2005 08:13
At the moment, Dissent needs more money than it has. As well as renting land etc, things like medical supplies or industrial size kitchen equipment doesn't magically fall from the skies.
Ralf
Dave...
24.05.2005 10:57
'General fundraising'...? What does that mean? Yes, this is 'general fundraising' for the dissent network G8 mobilisation, most of which is allocated for land, the next largest piece for catering, toilets etc and then more for legal/medical/communications etc etc - who said it was anything else? Sorry pal, but I dont understand your point.
And yeah, sorry, your right. Having non-hierarchic meetings of groups and indivduals totally free to do what they want and trying to have everyone included in the decision making process (if they want to be) where YOU COULD HAVE BLOCKED THE DECISION IF YOU WANTED TO is just like the swp aint it?!!! Not...
Yes there are some problems in Dissent I feel, but again, I ask you people complaining:
Do the maths! Please, here on Indy show how you would have got it all sorted cheaper. Im serious I really want to see you do it cheaper!! Less than 10,000? Ok work from that, how many you reckon? So go on, land for that number comes to what in £'s? Now food....toilets...legal support? Come on.... Cant do it cos you dont have the research? Maybe you should have got off your arse and helped then!!! Please enlighten me where Dissent has gone wrong....Do the sums!
Rage.
Homepage:
http://www.readingantig8.co.nr
Money matters
24.05.2005 11:18
30,000 pounds is nothing for something of this scale, i've been involved in much much smaller one day actions that have involved spended several thousand. I've been involved in gatherings for just 300 people that required the spending 3,000.
scotland is a logistical nightmare and when you consider just the cost of the trains for example, or the cost of rent fields and buildings on short notice against the pressures of the cops, you are talking big money. then you want to get kitchens up to scotland? thats hundreds of pounds in real expences just to drive the kit up there, let alone purchasing food, gas, renting or buying aditional equipement to cope with the numbers, and what about structures to put the stuff in? There will be huge marquees to hire and vehicles to run stuff and people around, there will be power needed and expenses to cover for those alt-tech people who volunteer to supply the power. There will be water to get delivered, chemical toilets (because no way are enough people going to commit to digger enough compost toilets in advance).
On top of all this infrastructure, plus phones, printing etc. there are numerous affinity groups/working groups doing more interesting things which have been allocated some money.
Those people that say 30,000 is way too much have clearly never been involved in organising shit. And to call it corporate - ha - 30,000 wouldn't even cover the fucking marketing budget for a corporate festival (for example) let along the infrastructure.
HOWEVER... I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR DISSENT!
It shows incrediably bad planning and lack of foresight to be seeking to raise this kind of money at this stage - expecially when Dissent was given quite a tidy little nest egg over a year ago which exceeded that sum. I also know that a large chunk of that money went as 'start up' funds to 'social centres' that didn't yet exist - and perhaps still don't. I'm not speaking of the much smaller sums given to existing social centres - some of which have been invaluable for providing venues for meetings and benefits for the anti-G8 mobilisations - I am talking of the groups given 10,000 each towards renting spaces as social centres. That money would have gone a long way towards setting up infrastructure around the G8 and I doubt it's proved great value for money in terms of setting up any sustainable new social centres.
Of course it's not just Dissent looking for or spending money around the G8. Indymedia for example has budgetted for 1,000 and has already exceeded that amount. This summit has logistical problems beyond those seen before. We are operating in one of the most expensive countries in Europe, the most expenisive travel, multi city sites with the actual site being 20 miles away from any city, and a place in which squatting is illegal and tresspass a criminal offence. This ones not going to be easy or cheap - get used to it.
ship-o-fools
LETS OCCUPY SOME PUBLIC SPACE
24.05.2005 12:21
Dah
Dah
24.05.2005 14:18
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squatting et al........
24.05.2005 14:40
oh, and by the way.......some of those who have posted accuse dissent of being in cahoots with the swp etc........which of course if either true or not, dependant on how you look at it. but how do we know that you who accuse are not fascists or agent provateurs or indeed state agents, merely intending to disrupt preparations for action.
quite frankly, we don't know, quite frankly you may well be so........
no body in particular
something i forgot to mention....
24.05.2005 14:50
some are gonna be opening iminently, others are having difficulties securing suitable premises, or don't feel able to build for both mass mobilistaion and "manage" a social centre at the same time and will probably appear later in the summer.
anyway, that money was allocated many months ago and therefore doesn't actually exist (at least not within the dissent network).
i hope this clarifies the position for those who might be concerned.
now fuck off and find something more useful to do instead.....
no body in particular
more on swp rubbish
24.05.2005 15:49
If the whole thing falls apart then I suppose it will be you detractors turn to have a go in about 8 years time. Or will you be too busy sacking your employees for being a bit late to work by then?
Krop
Who ?
25.05.2005 11:59
This is just crap and lots of posts by Dissent workers pretending that its all OK will not make me think otherwise. Sure we need organisation but we don't need to spend this amount of money.
Don't be ripped off. Make you own way there and make your own arrangements.
Me and three mates making our own rules
indeedy
25.05.2005 14:59
The 30 grand isn't going on transport silly.
Krop
"Don't be ripped off"!
25.05.2005 15:09
No-one's trying to say Dissent! are in charge of anything. If you want to make your own arrangements individually, great, no-one's going to criticise you for that. But if you want to make your own arrangements collectively with other anti-authoritarians, Dissent is as good a forum as any through which to do that.
Voluntary Slave
anti-thought
25.05.2005 18:40
Or is it just a couple of rather vocal detractors who feel that a bit of graffiti and the occasional direct action is enough involvement and fuck any larger organisational effort? If that is indeed the case then J18, Seattle and all the rest of the well known events wouldn't even have happened: cos' nobody would have bothered getting involved. PGA wouldn't exist. Many of the historical events of anarchism wouldn't have taken place either - after all, they were coordinated in large internationals and group gatherings with some luminaries who would today be decried as coopters of the movement.... The Zapatista rebels wouldn't have bothered coordinating because it was....er....taking over the movement with a name and communiques that didn't involve every single person involved in the movement. Shit - nothing would have happened at all.
So maybe it really is just the more vocal anti-organisational types being vocal....any of you heard of the tyranny of structurlessness?
Krop
In answer
25.05.2005 19:34
Krop dusting
Check your facts
25.05.2005 20:52
Feather Dusting
Usual response
26.05.2005 10:30
Has it occured to you that not all of us are so easily convinced, some of us question who the people are we protest with. Your idea of social change may well be through organisations like Dissent which are a little too close to the State for me. When a few thousand people are herded into a police controlled compound and held htere while the events of G8 take place will you wonder why and how that occured ?
Krop Dusting
GDSFGD
26.05.2005 10:51
DFGDSFG
See you there dissent !
26.05.2005 11:16
john
too close to what?
26.05.2005 13:46
Which organisations, may I ask, are *not* TOO CLOSE to the state for you? Obviously not G8 Alternatives, not Make Poverty History. Clearly not ANY political party, and certainly not ANY NGO such as Corporate Watch, Amnesty, etc. Do you avoid having ANYTHING to do with those because they are far more 'compromised' (in your terms) by being 'close' to the state. Do you buy your food from a farm that is more distant from the state than Dissent as well? Wow! Please fill me in on how to get involved.
Seeing as we all live IN A STATE, and in a state that uses CAPITALISM as an economic system, it's a bit difficult to see how we can completely avoid using anything connected with these systems. And unless you're talking about being as distant from the state as some (aka terrorist) groups such as the ALF, ELF, Red-Army Faction, IRA, Al Queda (if it exists) etc etc - who likewise often use weapons manufactured BY THE STATE - then I think your arguments are about as convincing as those of the Daily Mail's.
Do you know what 'being close to the state' means? Want to give an example of HOW Dissent is TOO close to the state? I look forward to meeting all of these non-compromised people and groups up in Scotland - if they exist. :)
Kropo
Our Friends
26.05.2005 14:39
friendly
Cut Costs - Cut Involvement
26.05.2005 15:36
We have identified a number of spaces within the area that can be used as crash spaces, build workshops and media interaction. We charge no money and as a point of principle refuse donations. All we ask is a positive mental attitude, a collective view approach to problem solving and that any individual adopts a veggie diet while with us.
Call 07770 135875 for details.
Carl - Real Democracy Now