Many people on this website refer to the SWP as a "party",
they are not! After looking up the political party register
the SWP is not listed. So if people could refer to SWP as disruptive faction that destroys anti-war groups and other radical initiatives we will be nearer the truth about SWP
they are not! After looking up the political party register
the SWP is not listed. So if people could refer to SWP as disruptive faction that destroys anti-war groups and other radical initiatives we will be nearer the truth about SWP
SWP NOT a registered political party
You probably know this already, but when I did some doing some research on SWP I found it's a FRAUD.
SWP is not listed as a political party. It looks as though it is trying to get into power through the back door.
Anyone else has to register their party, have a constitution etc.. Looks as SWP is doing it by taking over RESPECT meetings and getting control via putting its members into the various executive positions !!!
I assumed that SWP was actually a party in its own right, but obviously got it wrong.
Now I know why they don't field candidates in an election.. They can't. It's easier for them to infiltrate. They will have much more influence that way cause they would never get any votes if they were in the open.
Yours truly
Peter
You probably know this already, but when I did some doing some research on SWP I found it's a FRAUD.
SWP is not listed as a political party. It looks as though it is trying to get into power through the back door.
Anyone else has to register their party, have a constitution etc.. Looks as SWP is doing it by taking over RESPECT meetings and getting control via putting its members into the various executive positions !!!
I assumed that SWP was actually a party in its own right, but obviously got it wrong.
Now I know why they don't field candidates in an election.. They can't. It's easier for them to infiltrate. They will have much more influence that way cause they would never get any votes if they were in the open.
Yours truly
Peter
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party party party
22.02.2005 10:23
Trot-style parties like the SWP, and indeed other small ideological parties of the far left and far right, tend not to run in elections and so don't bother registering.
Respect runs candidates (indeed they have an MP and several Councillors) so of course they are registered.
Mind you 'the SWP doesn't really exist' is a fine quality conspiracy theory, if I've missed the point and this is satire then I doff my cap!
Mr Spoon
whats your point?
22.02.2005 10:40
I don´t see any problem of revolutionary parties which has shape antiwar and anticapitalist movement. I think that SWP has been important backbone of british antiwar-movement. Every other revolutionary parties and anarcho/autonomous groups should be also that active and just don´t blame others.
Serge
Serge
Peter again?
22.02.2005 10:41
Seriously people - why so much time and effort directed at dissing the SWP? Don't you think that maybe it's about time to get out of the playground and take politics a little more seriously than continued spats online?
nevermind
maybe one day we might defeat capitalism, but not while all we have is playground talk.
Not Peter Wakeham
You might find it registered
22.02.2005 10:53
anti-swp
We need the SWP like a hole-in-the-head
22.02.2005 12:10
I say: Bollox to that. Yes, the SWP is severely dodgy, block genuine radical initiatives, get jobs 2/3rds done and then fuck them up. Too many cases in point to mention. One example, blocking votes at the Respect Conference at end of October last year, and of course, the organisation of the ESf last year.
One link:
Arty Swashbuckle
swp must be registered
22.02.2005 12:14
r
The anti-war movement wanted to leave Saddam in power!
22.02.2005 12:40
During the 24 years that Saddam was in power nearly 3 million Iraqi people were forced to flee their country as refugees.
300,000 people were murdered and their bodies dumped in mass graves.
Saddams' army fired on planes patroling the northern and southern no fly zones every day for 12 years set up to protect the Kurds in the north and the Shia muslims in the south from genocide.
Imprisoned and horrifically tortured hundreds of thousands of political prisoners.
The anti-war movement was niave and stupid and foolish in the extreme. No one wanted war least of all Tony Blair who needed a war like a hole in the head, but he was wise enough to understand the threat posed by such an evil and ghastly regime!
Micheal
Re: one and the same
22.02.2005 12:47
Are you saying you don't like Labour because it's too left wing for you? What planet are you living on?
Or are you suggesting that SWP is bad because it sometimes advocates voting Labour. The SWP only advocates voting labour when there's a marginal seat, in order to keep the tories out because they see that as a lesser evil.
They are NOT doing it because they believe in labour's policiyes.
That's called PRAGMATISM. You don't have to agree with it but you can at least recognise it - it's not too hard to get your head around.
Does SWP only ever wreck anti-war efforts? No, it might undemocratically take them over because it doesn't have the patience to let less experienced activists learn for themselves how to organise. There are sound reasons to severely criticise this tactic. But it's incredibly one-sided to deny that SWP activists have also played many positive roles in building the anti-war movement.
And no I'm not SWP, anarchism's closest to where I'm at but what I try to be is a non-sectarian anticapitalist. Sectarianism is the movement's biggest problem, not the SWP. Let's all work together despite our ideological differences. The moment we get out of the playground (as a previous poster described it) and start to unite against the system, is the moment the people who run the system will get scared, and then we'll know we're winning.
Ozymandias
PS
22.02.2005 12:49
Oz
Some People obviously don't have enough to do...
22.02.2005 13:10
Interesting link
Bored with this pointless crap
Any1 else sick of hearing Bull?
22.02.2005 14:43
When the Taliban fight the Soviet Union they are our friends, they are funded by the U.S govt until 11th of Sept 2001 even though the U.S govt knows they are harbouring their no1 wanted terrorist (Bill) But after the 11th of Sept they become a violent oppressive regime who harbours terrorists.
Israel on the other hand has violated 65 UN resolutions from 1955-92 not counting the ones after this period. Has slaughtered thousands upon thousands of palestinians, civilians refugees etc, has left millions of htem homeless, and has persued its policy of invading more land while building an apartheit wall separating palestinian families from eachother.
But they're not a repressive regime, neither is Saudi Arabia, or Kuwait, or China. They are friends of democracy because the US says so. No one from the anti war front wanted Saddam to remain in power (though now iraq is replaced by another dictatorship) but the issue here was far greater, it was about trying to stop the great powers from doing as they please when they please just fto persue their interests. Its people like you who dont see the bigger picture, only what is shown on BBC
Micheal knows jack
Ozymandias
22.02.2005 14:52
SWP=LABOUR=CONSERVATIVES, Lib dems are catching up with them fast.
Katastrofeas
fall about laughing
22.02.2005 16:57
col
col
Killing rates in Iraq increase by 800%
23.02.2005 09:56
To the guy who said “The anti-war movement wanted to leave Saddam in power!” I would like you to think for just a moment.
I do not recollect ANY anti-war group having this as an aim.
As far as WAR IN IRAQ was concerned 2 million uk people didn’t think it was the best way of dealing with it. They were not Saddam Supporters but opposed unilateral action by the USA-UK
Perhaps they could see a greater disaster unfolding
I do not see any supporters of Saddam in the movements.
Lets take your facts as accurate for a moment.
SADDAM KILLING RATE
Under Saddam the rate of killing of Iraqis was 300.000 in 24 years which works out at 12,500 per year.
SADDAM KILLING RATE= 12,500 per year
USA KILLING RATE:
Estimates now put this at in excess of 100,000 over the last year
USA KILLING RATE= 100.000 per year
This is an 8 fold increase
IRAQI KILLING RATE INCREASES BY 800% UNDER THE USA
Judge for yourself who was correct. Has there been an improvement ?
Ask an Iraqi if he is he better off now.
In retrospect, perhaps it would have been easier to take a legal route.
With out exception , none of the people that I know that supported the anti-war movements supported Saddam. They just wanted to stay within International Law.
So please don't assume that because someone is against war in Iraq they support Saddam (or anyone else for that matter).
Eric Prendergast
LUTON, Bedfordshire, UK
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all this is relevant to anyone who cares about the anti-war "movement"
23.02.2005 13:03
peacenik
StW can't just hand out orders
24.02.2005 11:03
We need a sense of scale. Trade Unions are massive organisations with millions of members, very few of whom see themselves as revolutionary or even especially radical. Historically it's been very tough to win their support for anti-war movements, the last time really was Suez in the 1950s.
From that perspective the Stop the War Coalition is an impressive achievement. Formed initially by the (relatively tiny) SWP and Communist Party, the Coalition rapidly won the support of much bigger groups including the left of Labour, the Greens and most of the Unions. They also made the courageous and correct call not to pander to anti-Muslim prejudice and to work with the Muslim Association of Britain and the tens of thousands they helped mobilise. And they allowed the Lib Dems and the Mirror to jump on board once the anti-war wind started blowing.
The upshot? The biggest anti-war protests EVER. Orders of magnitude bigger than any anti-Vietnam protests.
Of course the trouble is they didn't stop the war. But face facts, no anti-war movement has ever stopped a war before it started. Nonetheless the protests here and round the world did change the political landscape, many thousands if not millions have come to question the world order and that will have many and unpredictable long-term consequences.
I know it's tempting to endlessly bash Stop the War and of course everyone loves moaning about the SWP. But it doesn't really get us anywhere. We need to look at reality and to discuss seriously what we think should be done.
type
hmph yeah right
24.02.2005 11:07
Meanwhile back in the real world...
;-)