Hunters killed in hunter rampage - cool!

I suggest you wait a little for more information to come out. Yes these were all hunters, but I am not at all sure that it was a "hunting fight". See the shooter was Hmong, a lot of Hmong refugees were settled up there. The surviving victims report "for some reason" as if it were a total mystery to them, but maybe they aren't telling the whole story yet. Even here we are only getting bits and pieces of the story. What you need to know (or remember from the story so far).

a) Yes on "private property". But I don't know whether Wisconsin follows "Eastern" or "Western" states rules on hunting. For example, I live in the East (Massachusetts( and by the rules here, I can legally exclude hunters from our "private" woods only if it is "posted". Which means ...
If we have SOME signs, say along the road, we can tell hunters politely to leave. We cannot yell at them or acuse them of terpassing unless we have the entire perimiter posted so closely that there is no gap. In SOME "towns" (townships) each of the signs must be SIGNED AND REDATED annually. Now Step by Step land has a perimiter of about 3 kms so you work out what effort would be involved to place signes at say 20-30 m intevals so that there are no places where one could cross the boundary without seeing a sign. Do you understand? If we have posted at all we can ask unwelcome hunters to leave but not acuse them of "trepassing" unless we have a fully demarked boundary.
In the West, law and custom require asking the landowner for permission. Here in the east, they don't have to even inform you, and basically we cannot even walk in our own "backyard" during hunting season.

b) This was one Hmong and a whole bunch of irtate property owners. We DON'T yet know what was said or whether he was threatened. Some of the stories interviewing other people from the area have things like "those people don't understand private property" (or whatever) and report many fights between whites and Hmong. This MAY be a "racial incident" and not a "hunting incident".

BTW -- that was some shooting (he emptied one 20 round clip killing five and wounding three more). But of course the Hmong were a "hill tribe". For those of you too young to remember, they are refugees in the US becuase they sided with the US during the Vietnam War.

Yeah, murder's really cool isn't it.

I believe that 'n' wa just stating that it serves them right. If they like to spend their time shooting innocent dear, then they get everything that comes to them - in this case being shot.

I consider that shooting a defensless animal is murder just as much as killing a human.

Regardless of actual motivation for the killings (possibly racial) the fact appears to be that people who were out to shoot animals have shot other people and as a consequence there will be a couple fewer guns firing on animals.

Sadly, the bigger picture is that there are lots of people out there who think it;s ok to shoot at anything if the mood takes you.

If only the hunters would take up such a stance, why cant they hunt each other? That way defenceless creatures wouldn't have to terrorised would they?

I'm also glad there are fewer hunters on the earth now

Nor are they guilty. They are DEER to whom neither of the terms makes sense. They are MEAT to those animals which hunt and eat them. Wolves which hunt and kill and eat deer are not guilty either, they are animals. Which makes the REAL question.......

Do you consider yourself an animal or some other "more spiritual" or "higher" sort of entity. Do you feel superior to, more noble, more self respeciting than a wolf? WHY are you uncomfortable with the idea that you are an animal? Is it because animals die and return to the Earth from which we all come? You aspire to some other end?

This may not be easy for you to understand at an emotional level, but rural Wisonsin is not like the environment with which you are familiar. Nor is hunting here an activity of the "toffs" but mainly a "working class" pursuit. A hell of lot of hunters out in the woods have taken along a couple cases of beer (NOT condusive to careful hunting practices).

Imagine a Britain where 9 out of 10 people vanished, imagine what the countryside would look like. And here I am not talking about rural Wisconsin but ALL of Wisconsin including its major cities to get that 10% population density comparison. You should have sensed by my earlier post that I get pissed off by hunters, but perhaps not for the reasons you think. SOME animal has to hunt and kill and eat the deer, and I would really prefer that to be wolves, only at least around here that would get kind of awkward (population density comparable to Britain) with not being able to let small children out of the house.

i agree with Mike that animals are neither innocent nor guilty, that they are merely animals. innocence and guilt are human concepts. we should apply them to ourselves only.
however, neither this nor the fact that american hunters are more likely to be working class makes any difference to whether the act of killing deer is right or wrong. unlike other animals we are capable of choosing whether we follow our impulse to kill or not. it is simply not true that "SOME animal has to hunt and kill and eat the deer". am i the only one who can envisage a future in which no such tyranny of predator-prey relationships has to exist? in the meantime, it is certainly possible to say that no human HAS to kill deer.

Have to laugh at you ignorant few who are happy these hunters were murdered.Are you vegetarians ?? Or just hypocrites? The shooter in this case should be publicly hanged, but that could be too merciful.Think about that the next time you order your chicken,beef or fish!