These are insgihtful comments from Boston Indy - showing both naivette of moderate protesters and how they dismiss radicals -
For many years we have been warning Radicals in other countries that almost everyione in the US is a fascist, spolied brat or caught up in self-created fear - Indy ofeten censors our statements or hides our comments - ah - Does it Matter what we say here anyway ?
For many years we have been warning Radicals in other countries that almost everyione in the US is a fascist, spolied brat or caught up in self-created fear - Indy ofeten censors our statements or hides our comments - ah - Does it Matter what we say here anyway ?
A Symbol of Insurgent Strength and US Blind Muteness
Just Like Democracy believers in US - Use Your Head not the Hammer
Fireworls are certainly in the Forecast - THANXX
Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Matthew Williams
Email: plaid_baboon (nospam) hotmail.com (unverified!) 29 Jul 2004
The first major protest of the day, with 500 people, was a rally calling on the US government to respect human rights called, “What Have Become?: From Guantanamo to Abu Ghraib?” Another 400-500 people gathered in Blackstone Park to support a local environmental justice group calling for funding for public health, not the bioterror lab being built in their neighborhood. A group of 10 pro-gay marriage activists disrupted a DNC meeting and were removed by the police. In the early evening a street theater action took place against the “Free Speech Zone”, with activist entering it with hands bound and heads hooded, while a group of DNC delegates condemned the “Free Speech Zone”. The police were becoming increasingly aggressive throughout the day, showing up in totally disproportionate numbers to the environmental justice rally, and arresting one activist while he was walking down the street.
Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
compiled by Matthew Williams
Wednesday, July 28th saw the fourth day of protests against the corporate-dominated Democratic National Convention, whose leadership is increasingly out of touch with its grassroots base--95% of the DNC delegates oppose the war for, instance.
Protests did not start till noon on Wednesday, with the first one being a human rights rally of 500 people in Copley Square. It was organized by United for Justice with Peace, the main Boston-area peace coalition, and entitled, “What Have We Become?: From Guantanamo to Abu Ghraib”. Speakers criticized the US government for its violations of the Constitution, human rights, and international law.
A group of ten pro-gay marriage activists managed to disrupt a DNC caucus meeting in the Back Bay Sheraton Hotel by unfurling a banner critical of Kerry’s opposition to gay marriage (he supports an amendment to Massachusetts state Constitution that would ban same-sex marriage and replace it with civil unions--articles 1, 2, 3, 4). They were escorted out by police, but not arrested. They were, however, banned from the Sheraton for life.
From 3:00 to 8:00 pm, there was a rally of 400-500 people in Blackstone Park in the neighborhood of Roxbury organized by Alternatives for Community and Environment, a local environmental justice group. They demanded that the US government fund public health measures, not the bioterror lab (articles 1, 2) they are building in conjunction with Boston University. The lab, to be located near the predominantly African-American and poor neighborhood of Roxbury, would house researchers working with deadly, incurable diseases--which, despite all the proposed security measures, could still escape into the surrounding neighborhood.
A group of DNC delegates spoke out against the “Free Speech Zone” (articles 1, 2, 3), followed by a second street theater action (the first was Monday) by Save Our Civil Liberties, with 15 people entering the “Free Speech Zone” with their hands bound and hoods on their heads, calling up images of Abu Ghraib.
The police were becoming increasingly aggressive, showing up in totally disproportionate numbers to the environmental justice rally--at times, there were almost as many police as activists. They also arrested one activist while he was walking down the street near the Convergence Center, and harassed two other groups of activists (articles 1, 2).
[Editor's note: Photo taken by a St. Louis IMC member, posted at
http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/24839/index.php ]
This work is in the public domain.
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Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Scott
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
This is the best you can do? Where are the "masses" that ANSWER always promises, but never turn out? Face it, you are over, tired, irrelevant, and basically boring to most folks. See you in New York - if you dare.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by jen
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
"if you dare"?
Wow.
It's not enough because nobody was arrested? Nice anti-american attitude. I hope you enjoy your police-state.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by lf
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
erm, we AREN"T answer, firstly. secondly, why don't you spend all the time you uselessly talk shit on the internet doing something positive?
Scott is unwell. Ignore him.
by SA Scott's Father
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
He ate too many donuts last night at the FBI's favorite strip club (the one where men dress up like women doing a J. Edgar Hoover imitation). He's under the weather.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Pyro
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
I have a feeling things will really go down in NYC. durring the Republican convention.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Scott
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
Missing the point. IMC has been going on for months about the "massive" protests planned for the conventions. You are not delivering. You are not on the news. No one is paying attention. Among non-activist people, you are invisible. You have utterly failed in your intention of bringing attention to your cause. If you ain't on TV you ain't here. Sorry to bust your bubble. Go ahead, go to NY, scare the horses. The cops will slap you around, the folks at home will see your ugly face, and Bush will pick up more votes as a result.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Mike Johnson
chthonik (nospam) hotmail.com (unverified) 29 Jul 2004
Scott is missing the point!
Does Scott understand what the indymedia movement is about? Probably not, as he seems to think "IMC" is organizing these demonstrations.
"No one is paying attention"? "If you ain't on TV, you ain't there"? Lots of people are following what happens in Boston closely on Boston IndyMedia, and a lot of them AREN'T following the DNC on TV because we know what to expect from the Party leaders.
"You have utterly failed in your intention of bringing attention to your cause"? Then why the articles on the demonstrations against the internment, I mean "free speech" pens that are popping up in the mainstream media? Activists aren't the only ones paying attention.
From someone who isn't able to be in Boston ( and won't be able to be in NYC Aug 29 either), thank you to everyone who was able to show up, thank you for your message, and thank you to everyone doing such a great job of reporting what's going on on the ground. Please keep up the great work!
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by channel_zero
chronoscoop (nospam) yahoo.com (unverified) 29 Jul 2004
We do the best we can, bud. Instead of complaining, I'd rather hear your ideas about what could be done better, as you obviously think they could...
To respond to some of the things you brought up though, first.
Corporate media will never cover us, you should know that, it's up to us to spread the word about not just IMC (we are in the news somewhere!), but about these protests among non-activist people.
And we're protesting because it is the RIGHT THING TO DO. Other reasons are either secondary (bringing more attention to our cause), or we could care less about (us getting to be on TV).
You seem to be implying that we should stop voicing our political dissent, because we'll scare the horses, the cops will slap us around, and the corporate media will paint us in a bad light... I personally think that exercising our (almost non-existent) first amendment rights and trying to protect them, showing that we do not all support Bush and his administration, and sending a message of solidarity to the world, is a bit important, to say the least.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Fashion Police
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
Here are two articles by Frank Morales which discuss the trend toward the militarization of the police, and the increasing involvement of the military in domestic police operations. The first is from Covert Action Quarterly, Spring-Summer 1999, " The Militarization of the Police." [*] The second is a longer version of an article that appeared in CAQ's Spring-Summer 2000 issue. It is titled "U.S. Military Civil Disturbance Planning: The War At Home." [**] Among other topics, this article discusses the increasing circumvention of the Posse Comitatus Act. From the second article:
As this and numerous other documents reveal, U.S. military training in civil disturbance "suppression", which targets the American public, is in full operation today. The formulation of legitimizing doctrine, the training in the "tactics and techniques" of "civil disturbance suppression", and the use of "abusable", "non-lethal" weaponry, are ongoing, financed by tax dollars. According to the Pentagon, "US forces deployed to assist federal and local authorities during times if civil disturbance...will follow use-of-force policy found in Department of Defense Civil Disturbance Plan-Garden Plot." (Joint Chiefs of Staff, Standing Rules of Engagement, Appendix A, 1 October 1994.)
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/rma.html
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by b
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
if imc is invisible then why does scott acknowledge it? that's so dumb.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by shelle
shellsolo4 (nospam) aol.com (unverified) 29 Jul 2004
This goes out to all who were present today by the Fleet Center when we tried to share our protests in a non-violent way: just for fun, go read the mainstream media articles on the protest (Globe, Herald, etc). Maybe being there firsthand enabled me to understand how misleading their journalists can be in very slight ways, but how it completely changes the story from the truth of the event.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by amanda woodward
(No verified email address) 30 Jul 2004
"scott" is about as believable as the casting call hippie undercover on monday
counterproductive
by Andy
(No verified email address) 30 Jul 2004
I have been involved in a lot of protests, but at this point I agree with Scott. They are more about having fun with your friends while indulging your anti-authoritarian fantasies than they are about changing the world. They're rebellion MTV style. The main effect they have on the government is to force it to spend more money on police, barricades and tear gas.
Do you seriously think that it's going to change anybody's mind about the capitalist system if you go out with fifty of your scruffy friends and beat on garbage cans? At least these protests might help elect Kerry if they make folks in TV land think that there must be something good about him if the protesters against him. Unfortunately, though, the NYC protests, which will be much larger, will have the effect of creating sympathy for Bush.
You aren't going to accomplish anything as a tiny self-appointed elite vanguard subculture. A true mass movement would have to include millions of ordinary people, people with jobs and kids, people you see at family holidays, people you went to high school with. Try reaching out to some of them and asking them what they think of your activities.
You probably assume by now that I'm a police infiltrator. That would be a convenient way to ignore what I'm saying.
Peace
Andy
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by A Bostonian
(No verified email address) 30 Jul 2004
Please don't tell me that all of you "protesters" are proud of your performance this week. We Bostonians were hoping for all of you to put on a good show for us. Instead, you treated us to a laughable display of gutlessness and lack of conviction. How was it that all of the major "alternative" groups were claiming that "TENS OF THOUSANDS" of protesters would descend upon Boston only to come up with fewer than 500 protesters on the last day of the event? Then, when confronted by cops in Ninja suits you all cowered in fear and ran away!! You couldn't even get arrested properly!! Six arrests?? That's civil disobedience? The only thing accomplished by the six arrests is that the courts will be $150.00 richer per arrestee in court costs. I took a week's worth of vacation just to watch the entertainment and all you gave us was a high school level performance. You are far from ready for Broadway. Do us all a favor. The next time that you think about coming to Boston, either put on a better show or just stay away
Re: counterproductive
by Zap!
stonesthrow (nospam) riseup.net (unverified) 30 Jul 2004
I don’t mean this in an attacking way andy, but you probably haven’t talked to any of the protestors, have you? (if you have and they didn’t articulate their reasoning well… then … sorry, talk to more) I think you’d find we don’t consider ourselves an elite vanguard. Are many of us part of a particular sub-culture? Yes. Are we part of a mass-movement? I think so, if you include the millions of people in the 3rd world (from the phillipines to argentina, to mexico to many more) who anarchist collectives communicate with, the millions of people scattered throughout the 1st world who you can see at the much larger just globalization (anti-corporate) protest around that world, a movement of people who believe in community co-operation, autonomy, self determination, and seeking alternatives to capitalism. I think you’d find that we are not a vanguard because we aren’t trying to impose a vision about how the world should be. We are instead a movement of people who want back the right to control our own lives and we think that everyone should have a voice in the way that their world runs. More than a mass movement, I would call us an international community movement
So why are we protesting? (first of all these are my thoughts, others feel free to disagree) Our goal isn’t to prove our superiority by having more people on our side of the line than there are there for the convention. Our goal is to voice the opinions that aren’t being heard in the convention hall and joyfully celebrate an alternative. Inside the convention hall everyone is talking about standing united behind one man who is expected to represent everyone on “the left.” In reality many of us don’t think he does a very good job of that. Granted he’s no neo-con, but there are many areas where he and bush are very similar, and they both lack the spirit and the imagination to create anything really new from the current culture of fear, inequality, and submission. We are protesting to let those in charge know that we’re still here, that we’re not just going to go along with their attempt to sell off those last free pieces of our world. And if that means that we have to do it ourselves, a bunch of scruffy kids, then we’re gonna have a good time and play our bucket drums and dance. The real aim of what we do happens in communities all across the world. We recognize that we’re gonna be demonized by the media, if covered at all, and that’s okay, regrettable, but okay. Because the people in power know that we exist and are afraid of what we’re accomplishing (just see all the harassment and arrests recently, from Sherman Austin, to the convention related Midwest round-up, to SHAC, etc.) We’re living true to ourselves, and while we hope that everyone can find happiness and freedom in their own lives, if they don’t that doesn’t mean we can change what we’re doing. And every now and then at one of our protests, when the conditions are right, something amazing happens. In seattle we shut down the WTO, in Cancun (WTO) and Miami (FTAA) we gave the dissenting countries enough support that they felt comfortable standing up against the U.S.
Oh… and as far as the Bush thing… everytime there’ve been really notable protests at a convention they’ve always had the effect of making a convention look bad.
That’s my piece.
Zap!
by Matthew Williams
Email: plaid_baboon (nospam) hotmail.com (unverified!) 29 Jul 2004
The first major protest of the day, with 500 people, was a rally calling on the US government to respect human rights called, “What Have Become?: From Guantanamo to Abu Ghraib?” Another 400-500 people gathered in Blackstone Park to support a local environmental justice group calling for funding for public health, not the bioterror lab being built in their neighborhood. A group of 10 pro-gay marriage activists disrupted a DNC meeting and were removed by the police. In the early evening a street theater action took place against the “Free Speech Zone”, with activist entering it with hands bound and heads hooded, while a group of DNC delegates condemned the “Free Speech Zone”. The police were becoming increasingly aggressive throughout the day, showing up in totally disproportionate numbers to the environmental justice rally, and arresting one activist while he was walking down the street.
Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
compiled by Matthew Williams
Wednesday, July 28th saw the fourth day of protests against the corporate-dominated Democratic National Convention, whose leadership is increasingly out of touch with its grassroots base--95% of the DNC delegates oppose the war for, instance.
Protests did not start till noon on Wednesday, with the first one being a human rights rally of 500 people in Copley Square. It was organized by United for Justice with Peace, the main Boston-area peace coalition, and entitled, “What Have We Become?: From Guantanamo to Abu Ghraib”. Speakers criticized the US government for its violations of the Constitution, human rights, and international law.
A group of ten pro-gay marriage activists managed to disrupt a DNC caucus meeting in the Back Bay Sheraton Hotel by unfurling a banner critical of Kerry’s opposition to gay marriage (he supports an amendment to Massachusetts state Constitution that would ban same-sex marriage and replace it with civil unions--articles 1, 2, 3, 4). They were escorted out by police, but not arrested. They were, however, banned from the Sheraton for life.
From 3:00 to 8:00 pm, there was a rally of 400-500 people in Blackstone Park in the neighborhood of Roxbury organized by Alternatives for Community and Environment, a local environmental justice group. They demanded that the US government fund public health measures, not the bioterror lab (articles 1, 2) they are building in conjunction with Boston University. The lab, to be located near the predominantly African-American and poor neighborhood of Roxbury, would house researchers working with deadly, incurable diseases--which, despite all the proposed security measures, could still escape into the surrounding neighborhood.
A group of DNC delegates spoke out against the “Free Speech Zone” (articles 1, 2, 3), followed by a second street theater action (the first was Monday) by Save Our Civil Liberties, with 15 people entering the “Free Speech Zone” with their hands bound and hoods on their heads, calling up images of Abu Ghraib.
The police were becoming increasingly aggressive, showing up in totally disproportionate numbers to the environmental justice rally--at times, there were almost as many police as activists. They also arrested one activist while he was walking down the street near the Convergence Center, and harassed two other groups of activists (articles 1, 2).
[Editor's note: Photo taken by a St. Louis IMC member, posted at
http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/24839/index.php ] This work is in the public domain.
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Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Scott
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
This is the best you can do? Where are the "masses" that ANSWER always promises, but never turn out? Face it, you are over, tired, irrelevant, and basically boring to most folks. See you in New York - if you dare.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by jen
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
"if you dare"?
Wow.
It's not enough because nobody was arrested? Nice anti-american attitude. I hope you enjoy your police-state.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by lf
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
erm, we AREN"T answer, firstly. secondly, why don't you spend all the time you uselessly talk shit on the internet doing something positive?
Scott is unwell. Ignore him.
by SA Scott's Father
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
He ate too many donuts last night at the FBI's favorite strip club (the one where men dress up like women doing a J. Edgar Hoover imitation). He's under the weather.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Pyro
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
I have a feeling things will really go down in NYC. durring the Republican convention.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Scott
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
Missing the point. IMC has been going on for months about the "massive" protests planned for the conventions. You are not delivering. You are not on the news. No one is paying attention. Among non-activist people, you are invisible. You have utterly failed in your intention of bringing attention to your cause. If you ain't on TV you ain't here. Sorry to bust your bubble. Go ahead, go to NY, scare the horses. The cops will slap you around, the folks at home will see your ugly face, and Bush will pick up more votes as a result.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Mike Johnson
chthonik (nospam) hotmail.com (unverified) 29 Jul 2004
Scott is missing the point!
Does Scott understand what the indymedia movement is about? Probably not, as he seems to think "IMC" is organizing these demonstrations.
"No one is paying attention"? "If you ain't on TV, you ain't there"? Lots of people are following what happens in Boston closely on Boston IndyMedia, and a lot of them AREN'T following the DNC on TV because we know what to expect from the Party leaders.
"You have utterly failed in your intention of bringing attention to your cause"? Then why the articles on the demonstrations against the internment, I mean "free speech" pens that are popping up in the mainstream media? Activists aren't the only ones paying attention.
From someone who isn't able to be in Boston ( and won't be able to be in NYC Aug 29 either), thank you to everyone who was able to show up, thank you for your message, and thank you to everyone doing such a great job of reporting what's going on on the ground. Please keep up the great work!
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by channel_zero
chronoscoop (nospam) yahoo.com (unverified) 29 Jul 2004
We do the best we can, bud. Instead of complaining, I'd rather hear your ideas about what could be done better, as you obviously think they could...
To respond to some of the things you brought up though, first.
Corporate media will never cover us, you should know that, it's up to us to spread the word about not just IMC (we are in the news somewhere!), but about these protests among non-activist people.
And we're protesting because it is the RIGHT THING TO DO. Other reasons are either secondary (bringing more attention to our cause), or we could care less about (us getting to be on TV).
You seem to be implying that we should stop voicing our political dissent, because we'll scare the horses, the cops will slap us around, and the corporate media will paint us in a bad light... I personally think that exercising our (almost non-existent) first amendment rights and trying to protect them, showing that we do not all support Bush and his administration, and sending a message of solidarity to the world, is a bit important, to say the least.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by Fashion Police
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
Here are two articles by Frank Morales which discuss the trend toward the militarization of the police, and the increasing involvement of the military in domestic police operations. The first is from Covert Action Quarterly, Spring-Summer 1999, " The Militarization of the Police." [*] The second is a longer version of an article that appeared in CAQ's Spring-Summer 2000 issue. It is titled "U.S. Military Civil Disturbance Planning: The War At Home." [**] Among other topics, this article discusses the increasing circumvention of the Posse Comitatus Act. From the second article:
As this and numerous other documents reveal, U.S. military training in civil disturbance "suppression", which targets the American public, is in full operation today. The formulation of legitimizing doctrine, the training in the "tactics and techniques" of "civil disturbance suppression", and the use of "abusable", "non-lethal" weaponry, are ongoing, financed by tax dollars. According to the Pentagon, "US forces deployed to assist federal and local authorities during times if civil disturbance...will follow use-of-force policy found in Department of Defense Civil Disturbance Plan-Garden Plot." (Joint Chiefs of Staff, Standing Rules of Engagement, Appendix A, 1 October 1994.)
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/rma.html Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by b
(No verified email address) 29 Jul 2004
if imc is invisible then why does scott acknowledge it? that's so dumb.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by shelle
shellsolo4 (nospam) aol.com (unverified) 29 Jul 2004
This goes out to all who were present today by the Fleet Center when we tried to share our protests in a non-violent way: just for fun, go read the mainstream media articles on the protest (Globe, Herald, etc). Maybe being there firsthand enabled me to understand how misleading their journalists can be in very slight ways, but how it completely changes the story from the truth of the event.
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by amanda woodward
(No verified email address) 30 Jul 2004
"scott" is about as believable as the casting call hippie undercover on monday
counterproductive
by Andy
(No verified email address) 30 Jul 2004
I have been involved in a lot of protests, but at this point I agree with Scott. They are more about having fun with your friends while indulging your anti-authoritarian fantasies than they are about changing the world. They're rebellion MTV style. The main effect they have on the government is to force it to spend more money on police, barricades and tear gas.
Do you seriously think that it's going to change anybody's mind about the capitalist system if you go out with fifty of your scruffy friends and beat on garbage cans? At least these protests might help elect Kerry if they make folks in TV land think that there must be something good about him if the protesters against him. Unfortunately, though, the NYC protests, which will be much larger, will have the effect of creating sympathy for Bush.
You aren't going to accomplish anything as a tiny self-appointed elite vanguard subculture. A true mass movement would have to include millions of ordinary people, people with jobs and kids, people you see at family holidays, people you went to high school with. Try reaching out to some of them and asking them what they think of your activities.
You probably assume by now that I'm a police infiltrator. That would be a convenient way to ignore what I'm saying.
Peace
Andy
Re: Fourth Day of Protests, July 28th
by A Bostonian
(No verified email address) 30 Jul 2004
Please don't tell me that all of you "protesters" are proud of your performance this week. We Bostonians were hoping for all of you to put on a good show for us. Instead, you treated us to a laughable display of gutlessness and lack of conviction. How was it that all of the major "alternative" groups were claiming that "TENS OF THOUSANDS" of protesters would descend upon Boston only to come up with fewer than 500 protesters on the last day of the event? Then, when confronted by cops in Ninja suits you all cowered in fear and ran away!! You couldn't even get arrested properly!! Six arrests?? That's civil disobedience? The only thing accomplished by the six arrests is that the courts will be $150.00 richer per arrestee in court costs. I took a week's worth of vacation just to watch the entertainment and all you gave us was a high school level performance. You are far from ready for Broadway. Do us all a favor. The next time that you think about coming to Boston, either put on a better show or just stay away
Re: counterproductive
by Zap!
stonesthrow (nospam) riseup.net (unverified) 30 Jul 2004
I don’t mean this in an attacking way andy, but you probably haven’t talked to any of the protestors, have you? (if you have and they didn’t articulate their reasoning well… then … sorry, talk to more) I think you’d find we don’t consider ourselves an elite vanguard. Are many of us part of a particular sub-culture? Yes. Are we part of a mass-movement? I think so, if you include the millions of people in the 3rd world (from the phillipines to argentina, to mexico to many more) who anarchist collectives communicate with, the millions of people scattered throughout the 1st world who you can see at the much larger just globalization (anti-corporate) protest around that world, a movement of people who believe in community co-operation, autonomy, self determination, and seeking alternatives to capitalism. I think you’d find that we are not a vanguard because we aren’t trying to impose a vision about how the world should be. We are instead a movement of people who want back the right to control our own lives and we think that everyone should have a voice in the way that their world runs. More than a mass movement, I would call us an international community movement
So why are we protesting? (first of all these are my thoughts, others feel free to disagree) Our goal isn’t to prove our superiority by having more people on our side of the line than there are there for the convention. Our goal is to voice the opinions that aren’t being heard in the convention hall and joyfully celebrate an alternative. Inside the convention hall everyone is talking about standing united behind one man who is expected to represent everyone on “the left.” In reality many of us don’t think he does a very good job of that. Granted he’s no neo-con, but there are many areas where he and bush are very similar, and they both lack the spirit and the imagination to create anything really new from the current culture of fear, inequality, and submission. We are protesting to let those in charge know that we’re still here, that we’re not just going to go along with their attempt to sell off those last free pieces of our world. And if that means that we have to do it ourselves, a bunch of scruffy kids, then we’re gonna have a good time and play our bucket drums and dance. The real aim of what we do happens in communities all across the world. We recognize that we’re gonna be demonized by the media, if covered at all, and that’s okay, regrettable, but okay. Because the people in power know that we exist and are afraid of what we’re accomplishing (just see all the harassment and arrests recently, from Sherman Austin, to the convention related Midwest round-up, to SHAC, etc.) We’re living true to ourselves, and while we hope that everyone can find happiness and freedom in their own lives, if they don’t that doesn’t mean we can change what we’re doing. And every now and then at one of our protests, when the conditions are right, something amazing happens. In seattle we shut down the WTO, in Cancun (WTO) and Miami (FTAA) we gave the dissenting countries enough support that they felt comfortable standing up against the U.S.
Oh… and as far as the Bush thing… everytime there’ve been really notable protests at a convention they’ve always had the effect of making a convention look bad.
That’s my piece.
Zap!
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Actually only 500 Came to most Events - Sad - Sad - USA
30.07.2004 19:31
And to sat that most of the delegates inside the COnvention were anti-war - is to laugh at the dead Iraqis - most people in the US have no idea what war is - they think that if the bombs are not falling or the WAR is not on TV - then there must be peace/
SEE THE REALITY WAKEUP BELOW
Ritt Goldstein, 30.07.2004 18:54
On July 9th the Senate Intelligence Committee blamed "groupthink" as the basis for the Iraq War's false premises. But a noted psychologist and an eminent political scientist warn of US fascism, this front-page article revealing the reality of present circumstances.
Groupthink and the slide into fascism
By Ritt Goldstein
ASIA TIMES
On July 8, Asia Times Online broke the story (Patriotic pride and fear) of how noted Canadian psychologist Daniel Burston (two PhDs from Canada's York University and a widely acclaimed author) perceived a broad retreat into "social fantasy systems" and "socially patterned defects" as explaining much of the Bush administration's decision-making. He observed for ATol that such flaws bring those involved to "act in ways which - from an outsiders perspective - look insane". On the following day, July 9, the US Senate Intelligence Committee released its report on the United States' justification for the Iraq war, claiming an erroneous "groupthink" was to blame, and coincidentally highlighting the validity of Burston's observations.
Highlighting a disturbing reality, Burston had noted parallels between the social psychology of the present and that of the 1930s. In a further parallel to the 1930s, on July 9 the conservative Chicago Sun-Times (one of the United States' top 50 papers) ran a commentary on US fascism, stating that "fascism' is not an exaggeration", and adding that anyone who doubted this "doesn't know what fascism is". It went on to note: "Some liberals suggest that the administration is capable of canceling the November election on the grounds of national security if it looks like Bush would lose. I doubt this." But on July 11 and 12, news of the administration seeking legal authority for just such an election postponement - a delay in the November election for national-security reasons - widely broke.
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Jeremiah
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Can you imagine 5000 people showing up to protest Howard or Kennedy?
30.07.2004 21:05
I have been in both American and British protests. In American protests, you face police violence for the slightest gesture. I have been beaten and run over. Some of my friends have been shot. Some of my friends have been captured and tortured. In British protests, there are almost no cops; they carry few and light weapons and wear little armor; they have few armored cars and helicopters *and simply do not have a policy of attacking every protest*.
Don't blame all Americans for America. Blame the oil barons. Blame the death squads. Blame the electoral college (rotton boroughs for you Brits) if you feel like a reformist. And don't make fun of American protesters until you have seen the elephant.
Mike