Kilroy apology 'not good enough'

Judith Vidal Hall says "I don't think in a country with a free media and a plural society and a commitment to a right of reply, you ever solve anything by banning, removing, censoring"

Would that have been her words if the article would have refered to Jews as bombers.

"Would that have been her words if the article would have refered to Jews as bombers"

No, because then it would be a lie.

Very good of you to get my point - very sharp!
It would be as wrong as to refer to Americans as stupid just because their president is.

Then the brain dead morons who don't think about what they say on here would jump to the conclusion that it was anti-semitic.

If anyone has watched Kilroy, you would know that the guy is a pompous ex politician (labour) but he is not racist. I think he says outrageous things to show what many people in this country actually think but dont say. He takes the action of saying it to provoke useful debate.

But saying it in his newspaper column didnt work as it needs a direct reply such as on his TV show.

Give kilroy back his show i say! and he can do a programme on how small minded and 'safe' the BBC is.

The Torygraph are trying to stir up a similar fuss about Tom Paulin saying Jewish settlers should be shot dead. It's clearly not quite the same as saying all Arabs are murderous scum, but at least Kilroy-Slime didn't suggest murder.

I couldn't really give a stuff if he gets his show back or not. It's shit. He's a shit. But I'd rather the Muslim community got a sense of perspective and accepted his apology along with the half page they got in the Sunday Express (I didn't read it, but the MCB apparently really ripped into Kilroy).

What if he doesn't apologise again? Are they going to ask him to set himself on fire in the middle of Birmingham? That would make a good show for Monday morning.

If the MCB don't get their way, maybe they could persuade the Iranians to issue a fatwa of death on Kilroy, then riot and burn effigies of him in the street, just like they did for Salman Rushdie.

Unfortunately for Kilroy, he's not quite as important in cultural terms as Rushdie, is he? Armed guards unlikely.

Arnen, the worst thing about what Tom Paulin said in the al-Ahram interview wasn't that he thought settlers should be killed.

He also said: 'I understand how suicide bombers feel... I think attacks on civilians in fact boost morale'.

By anyone's standards, trying to justify the murder of innocent, unarmed, non-combatants as 'a morale boost' is inhuman.

It's as sick as saying rape is a good way of releasing excess energy.

Kilroy is a joke. The man's completely self obsessed. We can all take his comments with a pinch of salt. His article was factually incorrect, over generalised and stupid.

Paulin's statement to al-Ahram was cold, calculating, depraved, sadistic and irredeemably evil.

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The problem with Kilroy's rantings is that given his popularity with daytime TV watchers such anti arab comments legitamise that disgusting viewpoint with elemnets of society who might think similarly. Whilst they might have been wretling with the rights and wrongs of such thoughts a name like Kilroy coming out and stating them gives credence to them. This is why it is dangerous and why he should suffer the consequences and take responsibility for his actions instead of hiding behind his secretary. What sort of cowardice is that?

Jesus. I've read some depressing things on my time in Indymedia but the comments by Owen above really take the biscuit. To quote someone out of context and deliberately misinterpret what he says, and then provide a link (albeit one which isn't working) to encourage people to be able to read the article and see plainly that you've changed the entire meaning of what he says is something else.

The bit in the interview where Tom Paulin talks about suicide bombing reads as follow (taken from  http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-news-0301.html)

""I can understand how suicide bombers feel," he answers. "It is an expression of deep injustice and tragedy. I think -- though -- that it is better to resort to conventional guerrilla warfare. I think attacks on civilians in fact boost morale. Hitler bombed London into submission but in fact it created a sense of national solidarity.""

Its really hard to try and simplify what Paulin is saying in this section as it should be pretty clear, but obviously at least one person has found it difficult. For their benefit Paulin says 1) what he perceives the emotions of suicide bombers to be (namely deep injustice and tragedy) and then 2) that he rejects this in favour of a different approach (namely "conventional guerilla warfare"), and then, by way of analogy, says 3) that attacks on suicide bombings would boost ISRAELI morale (in the same way Hitler bombing London raised British morale).
For Owen this becomes:

"He also said: 'I understand how suicide bombers feel... I think attacks on civilians in fact boost morale'.

By anyone's standards, trying to justify the murder of innocent, unarmed, non-combatants as 'a morale boost' is inhuman.

It's as sick as saying rape is a good way of releasing excess energy...

Paulin's statement to al-Ahram was cold, calculating, depraved, sadistic and irredeemably evil."

In other words, for Owen, Paulin's rejection of suicide bombing becomes support for it, with Paulin's comment that suicide bombing is counterproductive in that it leads to increased morale among Israelis, becoming encouragement for suicide bombing as it increases morale among Palestinians.

You may well disagree with Paulin and find his views extreme (and find him sanctimonious) but it would make sense to attack him on the basis of what he actually said, not the complete opposite of it.

I was watching Channel 4 news last night (Sunday) and guess who is jumping on the bandwagon? The usual suspects, the British Board of Deputies (the UK's answer to the criminal ADL). One of their muppets was trying to get sympathy for illegal (yes, illegal - there is NO debate about that fact) "settlers". These scum live on stolen Palestinian land in "settlements" that are a breach of the Geneva convention. The racist, trailer trash scum imported into Occupied Palestine who live in these illegal "settlements" are zionist "Jew" supremacists who attack the local Palestinians who have been living there for centuries before the 50-odd year old zionist occupation began. They regularly attack Palestinians and their children - even though it is the "settlers" who are the illegal invaders. They uproot Palestinian trees and crops and deprive the local people of water - for more information on these war criminal "settlers" see:  http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/israelisettlers.html

The lying zionist scum from the BOD came on Channel 4 news and tried to make it sound as if all Jews had been insulted by that reporter's comments that these illegal "settlers" should be shot in the head - I agree - that is the least they deserve for their crimes. But whatever your feelings about illegal "settlers", the fact remains that not all Jews were called Nazis by the BBC reporter (UNLIKE KILROY'S ARTCILE WHICH REFERRED TO ALL ARABS, MISTAKE OR NOT - THAT IS HOW IT WAS PRINTED) - only the ones that are behaving like Nazis on a daily basis, these so called "settlers". He tried the old trick of trying to claim that all Jews are zionists (when the MAJORITY of Jews are NOT zionists - see  http://www.nkUSA.org or  http://www.JewsNOTzionists.org or one of the many other sites such as "Jews Against The Occupation" etc.). Many "israelis" even oppose the illegal settlements and see the Likudian's refusal to remove them from the stolen Palestinian land as one of the key obstacles to peace. His claim that all Jews were offended by a vaild comparison between criminal "settlers" and Nazis was absurd. But then what do we expect - the only type of "hate" they want people to believe exists is anti-semitism (even when it is anti-zionism or anti-'"israeli" apartheid policies', neither of which are "anti-semitism", but they don't care about that - it helps silence criticism of "israel").

What is even more shocking is that most of the Islamophobia and Arab-hate that has become a required part of being a "patriotic" American has been created by the zionist controlled media. People like the raving zionist fraudster Conrad Black (Telegraph) and zionist slave and friend of Ariel Sharon, Rupert Murdoch (Sky, The Times, The Sun) have been trying the same in the UK, but thankfully (apart from the usual racist morons like the BNP, Combat 18 council house/benefit=beer scum, etc.) the British public are a lot brighter their our brainwashed American cousins.

Yes, highlight the problems in Arab states (a long with the fact that the "West" supplies arms and helps to install and maintain evil dictators, giving the Arab people little hope of defeating them - as was the case with Saddam) but don't forget that they are not occupying land despite more UN resolutions against them than any other nation on Earth as "israel" does. Yes Arab leaders are mainly scum - but zionism is a racist ideology that is opposed to Judaism and the zionist occupiers of Palestine are mudering men, women and children on a daily basis in their lust to hold onto stolen Palestine. The crimes of "israel", including their continuing ethnic cleansing and collective punishments, go unreported by the zionist controlled mass media - and when people like Rachel Corrie, Tom Hurndall, James Miller (camera man) try to peacefully alert the world to the crimes of "israel" they are mudered by the IDF. If the Palestinian freedom fighters are to be called "terrorists" (as they are in the zionist media) then 101-Sharon must be Hitler or the devil himself  http://indictsharon.net/ .

Yes it's true to tar all Americans as stupid just 'cos their president is, though I think not wrong to judge his supporters & voters(them that did actually vote) as so being.
Is it any wonder the US is so hated across the planet when it condones it's own variety of violence against states/countries that can't fight back. Then goes on about spreading democratic values, so is Saudi Arabia it's golden child????.
That country sucks the rest of the planet dry espicially less developed nations , then it wimpers & cries when groups hit back, funny I find how the death of one US citizen's worth say a hundred Iraqi's or Afghans , they don't get much reparation for getting their house & family blown up, yet we never hear the last of 9/11.
Time the US stopped backing Israel & allowed it to stand on it's own feet.