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Icon 1 posted 08-19-2014 12:19 AM Profile for Al Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Eckard Wimmer

In 2002, the German-born molecular geneticist startled the scientific world by creating the first live, fully artificial virus in the lab. It was a variation of the bug that causes polio, yet different from any virus known to nature. And Wimmer built it from scratch.

The virus was made wholly from nonliving parts, using equipment and chemicals on hand in Wimmer's small laboratory at the State University of New York here on Long Island. The most crucial part, the genetic code, was picked up for free on the Internet. Hundreds of tiny bits of viral DNA were purchased online, with final assembly in the lab. Posts: 785 | From CT, | Registered: Jun 2006 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Final edit, after below. [My cognitive challenges should put a damper on my trying to answer anything other than what season are we in but I seem to think I read things right and then steam ahead.]

I see now that this is "similar" to polio. I feel like this is a trick question and too hard for my swollen brain.

I'm guessing his point is that bits of microbes and details as to scientific code can be found on eBay or the like and then manipulated into bad guys. That is daunting. But that's a different question than the subject line and I'll leave it now to others who want to tackle this.

Still, no, lyme did not originate in a lab. But that does not mean bad people can't do bad things in a lab.
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Editing: oh, I see your question is very different from the text. The text is all about polio. I thought he was talking about lyme. Still, the answer is, no, it was not made in a lab.

And I don't think polio was, either. Something that can be replicated is not the same as identifying its ORIGIN. But, I'm not familiar with his work and methods, or his reputation as to know if replication of polio as Wimmer claims is feasible or not.


No. Lyme not created in a lab.

[Athough Plum Island did play with it, that's not the question here. The question is about the ORIGIN of Borrelia b. to begin with.]

Bb is at least 5,000 years old. The Ice Man had it. They found this when they thawed out the poor guy a couple years ago.

I have read that Bb is actually millions of years old, at least but the exact figure escapes me (and that would still be just as far back as any anthropologist (or similar) has been able to discern so far).

But that "picked up for free on the Internet" part is just hilarious on one hand (scary on the other). Google's only been around since 1998.

Polio was around LONG before that. So, no, polio did not originate in a lab, either.
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 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/otzi-the-icemans-genome-reveals_n_1307532.html

Otzi The Iceman's Genome Reveals Evidence Of Lyme Disease, Lactose Intolerance And Distant Relatives

by Wynne Parry, 2012

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The 5,300-year-old ice mummy dubbed Ötzi, discovered in the Eastern Alps about 20 years ago, appears to have had the oldest known case of Lyme disease, new genetic analysis has revealed. . . .
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Icon 1 posted 08-19-2014 09:26 AM Profile for Lymetoo Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote No, I've had it for 55 years. I'm not quite as old as the ice man.

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Icon 1 posted 08-20-2014 11:38 PM Profile for Lymedin2010 Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Human morons can't even figure out the bacteria exists. There is no way Lyme, with all it's complexities, was created in a lab. This requires millions of years of evolution & trial and error.


I believe it can be made more virulent, via human unnatural intervention, & long term exposure. Posts: 1163 | From NY | Registered: Oct 2011 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-21-2014 03:52 AM Profile for Razzle Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote I agree w/ Lymedin2010...

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Icon 1 posted 08-21-2014 12:29 PM Profile for glm1111 Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote I was told by several doctors who were also Lyme sufferers that the ticks that were kept at Plum Island were injected with virulent strains of Brucella and borrellia.

This is second hand info, so I can't vouch for the validity. Who knows what these mad scientists were doing at this Bio Warfare lab. Unbelievable that these kind of labs even exist!!

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Icon 1 posted 08-21-2014 12:41 PM Profile for GretaM Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote No, not made in a lab.

Modified and engineered for biowarfare in a lab-yes.

Funny how the two main hotspots for the beginning of lyme disease began in the same areas that godforsaken devil Erich Traub was doing his tick experiments in.

That is not a coincidence.

However, I have heard, read and watched documentaries and first hand accounts from scientists and doctors who state that the original spirochete (pre 1940) does NOT have the same protective mechanisms as the current lyme spirochete.

In fact, borrows DNA from other bacteria and viruses actively to evade immune detection.

We can thank Erich Traub for that...may he burn burn burn. Posts: 3815 | From British Columbia, Canada | Registered: Jun 2013 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-21-2014 01:10 PM Profile for w0tm Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote I have researched this extensively so I believe this is as accurate as you will find. If not, anyone reading this please add to what I'm writing.

Lyme as basic bacteria has been around for millions of years. As have a thousand plus other exotic diseases.

1. during WW2 Nazis sent many scientists into jungles looking for lost diseases they could "weaponize". They found some including Lyme.

2. Lyme itself was weak and wore off like a common cold.

3. the Nazis began to "harden" Lyme but then WW2 ended.

4. Americans brought hundreds of Nazi germ warfare scientists to America in a move called "Operation Paperclip" (Google it).

5. after WW1 most countries including America signed a treaty NOT to engage in germ warfare work or development. Everyone then ignored the treaty.

6. written in great detail in the 2004 book titled Lab 257 is proof that the USA was the WORST offender! America developed more killer germs and viruses than anyone else! I am reading the book again. It is an amazing book!

7. You can buy the book used very cheap via alibris dot com. I paid $4.

8. Yes, Erich Traub was the key German scientist brought to America to head up the new operation located on Plum Island off the coast of Connecticut. from the book Lab 257 it is obvious BAD germs got loose. Including hardened ticks carrying weaponized Lyme disease impossible to get rid of.

9. Beyond belief but Americans "tested" the ticks by dropping them on Lyme, CT in 1975 to see if anyone would get sick.

10. They thought they had a fast cure. They did not. The ticks made MANY people sick and it has spread since then now spreading faster than any other disease.

11. So the original Lyme of millions of years ago is almost harmless. The ticks from Plum Island are killers.

12. Read Lab 257 and your outlook on government will completely change. Even Americans placed no value on human life. That continues today in other things we see government doing.

13. IMO "governments" are gone. The world is now "run" by an "international group of criminals who have no regard for life".

14. So Lyme is not new but the "killer hardened Lyme disease" is new. It was turned loose in 1975 dropped on Lyme, CT.

15. As I say, the book Lab 257 will inform you of 95% of everything. Since the USA government helped spread it and they weaponized it they are now trying to cover their tracks. BUT it is spreading so fast that covering it up is beginning to become impossible. Posts: 119 | From Shawnee, KS | Registered: Sep 2007 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-21-2014 02:22 PM Profile for hadlyme Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote So if you're saying this all started in 1975, then what the heck did I get in 1969-1972 in Minnesota.

Think there's been things out there longer than we think. Before 1975 for sure. Posts: 887 | From AZ-MT | Registered: Oct 2004 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-21-2014 07:10 PM Profile for groovy2 Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Lyme was not made in a lab -

But it was made Stronger and Worse at
Plum Island Bio Weapons lab -

where the first Reported release was in 1975 -

it infected a huge amount of people in Lyme CT. almost instantly -

Lyme CT. is the town Lyme disease is named after--
Plum Island Lab is 8 miles from Lyme CT.

when I first heard about Plum Island Bio weapons lab I Did Not believe it -

But now I am Personally 100% Sure that this is where the Really Bad Lyme came from -

Recently there has been more info come out about
Plum Island and the spread of Lyme from the lab-

Lyme traveled across the US on Birds that carried infected ticks on them-

Look at a map of Lyme infected areas -
Then look at a map of Bird Flyways in the US - they match very well -

Austin TX where I live is on a large Bird Flyway-

The US government has been trying to cover this up-

In the last month I have been selling some things on Austin Craigslist and in the 6 people that have come to my house to buy things EVERY ONE OF THEM knows someone with Lyme -
they knew 15 Lyme infected people total -

My next door neighbor has 2 friends with lyme -

Lyme is the Biggest Infectious disease in the US-
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Icon 1 posted 08-21-2014 11:28 PM Profile for GretaM Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Agree w0tm and groovy.

Humans take what mother nature made and mutate it every time.

Lyme since 1975 is not really a simple spirochete.

It is a monster.

I didn't believe it either until I watched NON lyme related documentaries regarding FOI's released regarding previously classified documents.

Operation Paperclip has been featured and cross referenced in quite a few docus. Posts: 3815 | From British Columbia, Canada | Registered: Jun 2013 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-22-2014 09:00 AM Profile for Andie333 Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote The information I've gleaned from several sources states that, as others have said, the original Lyme virus was given lethal potency in biowarfare labs.

Specifically, the ticks were injected with a strain of W. Nile Virus.

These biowarfare test labs like Plum Island suffer from notoriously poor security. Plum island itself had numerous safety violations before it was closed. Posts: 2507 | From never never land | Registered: May 2005 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-22-2014 09:18 AM Profile for LisaK Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote I think it was "PERFECTED" as a weapon in a lab.

They have found it in the remains of cave men, right? so that would mean it was around forever. Some insane genius said to himself one day, "hey, I can really kill a lot of people with this. It is the perfect thing- mostly silent, undetectable, indestructible. " and that was that.

that is my theory.

and I hate to say it, but they are working on the next big one now , I am sure. evil freaks. Posts: 935 | From Eastern USA | Registered: Jul 2013 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-22-2014 07:38 PM Profile for lymie_in_md Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Lyme is just one of many engineered organisms:

Engineered Avian Flu Could Kill Half The World's Humans

 http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/11/engineered-avian-flu-could-kill-half-the-worlds-humans/

 http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/01/scientists-restart-work-on-deadly-engineered-avian-flu/

ebola virus another engineered organism:

What Makes Ebola So Deadly?

 http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/one-gene-ebola-weak-spot-found

Of course who can forget Aids!

The Future of Biowarfare
Jason K. Dobranic, Ph.D.

 http://www.emsl.com/index.cfm?nav=Pages&ID=122

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Icon 1 posted 08-22-2014 11:32 PM Profile for groovy2 Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Do a Google map search for

Plum Island, Southold, NY -

use satellite view

You will see that Plum Island Bio Weapons lab is within easy sight of Lyme CT --

You can see the Lab - this is where ALL of the misery that we are going threw came from -

As far as I know Plum Island Bio Weapons lab is still in operation- Insane - Posts: 2960 | From Austin tx USA | Registered: Oct 2004 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-22-2014 11:52 PM Profile for Marnie Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote No, IMO.

We messed up our environment and they THRIVED - multiplied. Ticks are attracted to CO2....so let's cut down forests (trees produce O2) and see what happens.

Our overuse of antibiotics also has greatly contributed to microbes need to modify their gene proteins to become more resistant to killing.

The "germs" had to mutate to survive.

We don't "mutate"/evolve as fast.

Ebola from the above link:

"The U.S. team found how the Zaire variant of the Ebola virus

prevents

cells called dendric cells from making proteins that

call other immune cells over to destroy them

when they're infected."


As I understand it the Dendritic cells are sort of our roving policemen and also very likely 1st cells to encounter Bb given their location which is:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendritic_cell

Not good...

"Dendritic Cells Induce CD8+ T-Lymphocytes in Vitro"

"Memory" CD8 T cells = IL-15 (dangerous...very) upregulated = inflammation...nonstop.

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12538153

Bb has been around a LONG time and for Iceman, caused him to be "lactose intolerant".

"The ***5,300-year-old*** ice mummy dubbed Ötzi, discovered in the Eastern Alps about 20 years ago, appears to have had the oldest known case of Lyme disease"

"Clinical examination and imaging investigations have also shown that the

Icemen had experienced possible illnesses in his lifetime and had

***identifiable areas of arthritis***

and musculoskeletal injury.

This report includes some key observations on the musculoskeletal state of Ötzi and reference to the

involvement of tattoo markings.

Some aspects about the aetiology of his abnormalities and inflammatory arthritis are considered

along with possible treatments that he might have employed.

These observations highlight several diagnostic features of musculoskeletal conditions in the Iceman with the

possibility that

tattoos may have been used for diagnosis or location of his painful states.

The origins of his musculoskeletal conditions are unclear but there are indications that Lyme disease and CHD may have been factors"

CHD = coronary heart disease

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23096483 2013

So, bottom line...Bb has been around for a long time, but maybe more in numbers now and may have adapted to become "antibiotic resistant" - likely. Posts: 9101 | From Sunshine State | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-23-2014 02:53 AM Profile for hermit Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote The way bacteria share DNA and plasmids could lend itself to "engineering" probability even if the humans accidentally mixed virulent dissimilar agents of disease.

Operation paper clip is often referred to on Ancient Aliens with mention to Oppenheimer and Einstein. These scientists came to US, not just because they are Jewish but also because they did not agree with the sinister government they fled.

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Icon 1 posted 08-23-2014 10:23 AM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Hello all,

I have been studying the connections between Lyme and biowarfare for some years now and have a website devoted to it.

This is not a casual discussion, but one that strikes at the very heart of the problem ie why the medical establishment in USA and so many other countries denies chronic Lyme's existence, its seriousness, its antibiotic and immune-resisting powers etc..

IMO there will be no progress for any of us unless we take this issue on.

That said, I feel it's very important that we strive to only deal with facts, not conspiracy theories.

Lab 257 is an excellent book, well-referenced, with much of the information coming from the US biowafare establishment itself (!)

Lyme "as we know it today" emerged in epidemic form in the US in the 60's. (The year 1975 is simply the year steere published on what had been going on for several years prior to his involvement).

EM rash, ACA and benign lymphocytoma were known in Europe in the late 19th - early 20th century. But the massive neuro effects don't seem to be observed till the period circa the Second World war.

Some links with factual info:

www.elenacook.org/bwsept06.html

www.elenacook.org/spirowarfare.html

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Icon 1 posted 08-23-2014 10:32 AM Profile for lymie_in_md Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote some organisms, gmo's, virus's, bacteria, and others all existed. They are just being modified to fit some agenda. as we sit here pondering what is and isn't. imagine this thread 10 years from now.

> will there be 10 billion of us
> what will the agenda's of government be
>> impact on nature
>> impact on value of life
>> individual freedom
>> individual wealth
> will lyme disease be more virulent or less
> what will be the next extremely virulent disease, possibly blackpox ?

who knows, but I'm pretty sure lyme disease will be handled. And the lyme community itself will find a way to handle lyme. It will be the first time a disease will be handled because the people who have it will want to get well. It is the collective will that will find a way. It's the trailblazers, risk takers, out of the box thinkers that will put it together.

Hopefully I'm not drinking tooooo much koolaid. [lol]

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Icon 1 posted 08-23-2014 12:21 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote I dont think the Lyme community will find a way to cure, or even make it livable, all by themselves, if that's what you man. The millions who have incurable cancers have not. Thanks to research, some cancers are curable. But generally speaking we are in a different boat - nobody denies the existence of cancer as a chronic illness.

There is a coverup, and change will come when enough people understand that there is one, understand the nature of that coverup, and start to take political action to expose it. It's not just those of us who know we have Lyme that are concerned - the evidence linking at least a proportion of MS, Alzheimers, MND-ALS etc etc is piling up. So we have potentially multi-millions of allies.

But we do need to get to grips with the fact that there is a biowarfare coverup. Too many, even in the leadership of our own Lyme campaigns, know it is true, but keep quiet about it (and try to silence the rest of us who want to talk about it too). How do they imagine they will help patients without exposing the coverup?
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who knows, but I'm pretty sure lyme disease will be handled. And the lyme community itself will find a way to handle lyme. It will be the first time a disease will be handled because the people who have it will want to get well. It is the collective will that will find a way. It's the trailblazers, risk takers, out of the box thinkers that will put it together.

Hopefully I'm not drinking tooooo much koolaid. [lol]



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Icon 1 posted 08-23-2014 01:13 PM Profile for lymie_in_md Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Elena -- we'll see in time, but I always bank on the underdog. the ones who can't succeed and do. isn't lyme disease the most marginalized disease. I like irony. In some way I hope we beat the odds.

And it's not like we don't get help. there are studies and we do have heroes like Dr. Alan Macdonald, the LLMDs, holistic medicine, other researchers who have our interests at heart, and a great many others who support us. I just think our forums will pull it together, natural medicine with allopathic. I'm guessing we'll pull all the ingredients together in a gourmet soup of cure. It depends on how we evolve as we get better.

I'm a lymie and I'm well, and I'll tell you I'm pissed!!! I hate being marginalized!!!

The more lymies like me who get well and are pissed the better for us all. It will make us tougher.

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Icon 1 posted 08-23-2014 04:59 PM Profile for ctone Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Definately lyme is weaponized. It's easy
to research online, plum island, operation paperclip, japaneses research with tick born disease in WW2, German lyme disease rates highest around WW2 bio-warfare labs etc.. What one should bear in mind is lyme is only one of many "new" diseases which appeared in the 60's and 70's and 80's, HIV being the most dramatic, which have let's say, dubious origins. Posts: 30 | From USA | Registered: Sep 2012 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-23-2014 09:38 PM Profile for groovy2 Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Some info is getting out -I was on the local news
KXAN here in Austin 8 weeks ago about lyme - There is a study being done by a Texas collage researchers to see how bad lyme is here in TX-

I pretty sure I will be dead and gone long before
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Icon 1 posted 08-26-2014 12:15 AM Profile for still winning Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote I agree with Eight Legs Bad and everyone above who talks of a cover-up.

I think the evidence is compelling that through-I’ll be generous-inadvertence the US Government started the modern spread of Lyme Disease. My information comes from a book an attorney wrote (is it lab 257? it was a long time ago I read it).

The author/attorneys' argument: The Geneva Convention said governments could no longer kill citizens en masse. So the US government brought the despicable nazi scientist (I feel this is America’s biggest crime) to the US to start Plum Island to develop a biological weapon which would sicken, but not kill people en masse.

The nazi at Plum Island was experimenting with ticks as a vector that could expediently spread what would be called Lyme Disease. A hurricane blew apart the lab disbursing the ticks and within a couple of seasons people at Old Lyme and Lyme, Connecticut-across the sound from Plum Island- were sick.

Here is my theory that supports the argument that the US government started the modern spread of Lyme Disease:

The US Government took two conflicting actions regarding Lyme Disease. First of all, a number of years ago, the CDC increased the number of bands on the Western Blot to qualify as a positive Lyme test. This happened when the US was telling the nation the incidence of Lyme was low and being over diagnosed; hence, I assume, this is seemingly why the CDC increased the number of bands from two (2) to five (5) on the Western Blot to qualify as Lyme (a red herring argument distinguishes “diagnosis” from “reporting requirement”)

But then the US Government took an extremely and significant conflicting action at approximately the same time. The FDA, “in rare form”, rushed through the Lyme vaccine.

The Lyme vaccine would later be withdrawn as not only ineffective, but dangerous as it gave people Lyme Disease. I was at the FDA hearing and heard at least one FDA scientist say, words to the effect of, “we knew there were problems with the Lyme Disease vaccine and we (FDA scientists) were wondering why the vaccine was being rushed through”. (At the same hearing a man in the audience said he was in excellent health until receiving the Lyme vaccine, and now his health was ruined). The vaccine was withdrawn soon thereafter.

OK, so why is the Federal Government rushing through the approval of the Lyme Disease vaccine, when the Federal Government is saying that Lyme is being over diagnosed? In other words, if the Federal Government believes Lyme Disease is such a small problem, then why is the Federal Government taking heroic and major actions to stop the spread of Lyme Disease?

Here is my theory: Because the Federal Government knew that they-through their nazi scientist at Plum Island- were responsible for the modern spread of Lyme Disease.

Thus in order to stop their liability for causing the modern epidemic of Lyme Disease, the Federal Government took their two conflicting actions: First, by increasing the standards for a positive test on the Western Blot, by definition, substantially fewer people qualified as having Lyme Disease. Second (and perhaps for also for altruistic reasons, but I would hate to ever admit it), the Federal Government, through the vaccine, wanted to stop the modern epidemic which they made.

Hence, I believe, in order to conquer Lyme and get our health back, that we, the Lyme Disease community, must bring this fact to light, that the Federal Government caused the modern epidemic of Lyme Disease, and it is up to the Federal Government to find the cure.

I firmly believe our strategy has to change from saying “we’re sick and we need help” to “you caused Lyme Disease and you must cure it.” I believe that if we don’t hold the Federal Government responsible we will never get well because the Federal Government and all their enablers want to make us look bad to deny their liability and responsibility.

At our next rally (an all out shouter like the Penn rally in 1999?) our battle cry is: “YOU [BASTARDS] CAUSED LYME DISEASE, NOW YOU [BASTARDS] CURE LYME DISEASE!

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Icon 1 posted 08-26-2014 12:22 PM Profile for Marnie Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote 1. Triage is in effect.

2. Lyme doesn't kill fast (many viruses do).

3. There is money and time at stake. Cancer is a big business...many people earn salaries treating it. Think about that.

4. How long did it take for the FDA to acknowledge that acupuncture actually can work or at least be helpful?

"Research on acupuncture began in the United States in 1976. Twenty years later, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the acupuncture needle as a medical device."

 http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/acupuncture/patient/page2


5. How long will it be before the FDA will approve hypericin (IV) and yellow laser therapy to cure SEVERAL diseases?

6. The gov/feds did NOT CAUSE lyme disease, but they have a responsibility to spend research $ and time to find the cure.

7. Too bad the ice bucket challenge money collected isn't going to find a cure

for lyme (which is more common)

AND

ALS

(equally as serious and devastating!).

"***Approximately 5,600 people in the U.S. are diagnosed with ALS each year.*** The incidence of ALS is two per 100,000 people, and it is estimated that as many as 30,000 Americans may have the disease at any given time."

 http://www.alsa.org/about-als/facts-you-should-know.html

"***Each year, approximately 30,000 cases of Lyme disease are reported*** to CDC by state health departments and the District of Columbia. However, this number does not reflect every case of Lyme disease that occurs in the United States every year."

 http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/humanCases.html

Put THAT information on your posters!

Pathogens are the TRIGGER - underlying genetic differences (*predisposed*) upon exposure to specific pathogens = diseases.

Which is why doctors ask us, "Did anyone in your family have cancer?"

They want to know if, by chance, we might be PREDISPOSED to developing cancer.

Like AD...there are certain gene types that are predisposed to "developing" AD and the same is true in ALS and perhaps the same is true in
lyme (-> chronic lyme/autoimmune).

However,

Is exposure to OspCa (versus OspC) worse if someone has a particular gene type -> massive, ongoing, response?

Tetracycline/"Doxy" DOES look to downregulate our RESPONSE to Bb (significantly) - is Doxy effective *enough* if someone is exposed to that form of OspC (a)?

Should Minocycline be used instead of Doxy as our 1st line treatment because of its effect on the KYN pathway (tryptophan)?

Protesters...push for THAT change i.e., "Minocycline NOT Doxycycline for immediate protection!"

Doubt?

Google this:

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Icon 1 posted 08-26-2014 01:22 PM Profile for Kudzuslipper Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Personally, I believe it is a combination of evolution, experiments to weaponize the vector, and complete and utter incompetence in regards to plum island.

I am not sure I believe the ticks were released ( I would love it if you could cite your source w0tm) but even more scary they escaped because the labs were not secure and crumbling all around them

I read that the ticks got out and infected the cattle on plum island... birds and deer picked up the ticks and their natural migratory course spread the now more complicated disease.

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I guess I'll put this one in too: Just another persons view.

THE GOVERNMENT CREATED LYME DISEASE)
Lyme Disease is a crippling, horrific disease. It can rob it's victims of memory, concentration, sleep and vision. It can cause nerve damage, pain, numbness and paralysis.

Lyme disease was first reported in the United States in the town of Old Lyme, Connecticut, in 1975. Lyme disease is caused by the bacterium Borrelia burgdorferi. Deer ticks feed on blood. So essentially they feed on animals and human blood and therefore spread the disease.

So where did Lyme Disease come from? Your Government. The ones we have placed our trust into to protect us. I'm sorry to announce this, but they do not.

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Plum Island
As I stated, the first case of Lyme Disease was located in Old Lyme, Conneticut in 1975. Well, it just so happens that there is a biological testing facility named Plum Island Animal Disease Center not even 10 miles from Old Lyme and it has a tick research lab. Of course it's officially called a research facility studying animal diseases, but none the less, it's there.

Not enough of a connection? Well, let me put the pieces of the puzzle together for you.
Plum Island recruited Nazi, Erich Traub after WWll.

Now this man is interesting, since he worked directly under Hitler and in all honesty should have stood trial at Nuremberg for the horrible, brutal acts he committed. But he was brought to the U.S. during Project Paperclip - the exfiltration of approximately 2,000 Nazis out of Germany by OSS and CIA directors for service to American intelligence and industries. Mr. Traub was a top biological weapons industry director. His expertise was infecting ticks and mosquitoes with biological germs. Bingo!

It is said that the Island let the infected creatures roam the island, somewhat contained. Boats, birds and people went on and off that Island. The likelihood of an insect or tick going ashore with one of these government created diseases which eventually became known as Lyme Disease is a virtual certainty, as Lyme Disease formed it's name off the area where it was first discovered, Old Lyme, Connecticut, which is, like I said, 10 miles away by water.

Homeland Security is now in control. Why? Simple enough question considering there is officially 'nothing going on there'. "We work to protect farm animals, farmers and ranchers, the nation's farm economy and export markets... and your food supply.

" Really? From my understanding, scientists have studied a variety of hardcore pathogens, from anthrax to foot-and-mouth disease. It is also ground zero for biological weapons testing. Now you tell me, what does that have to do with an Agricultural Lab? Seems like more than a bit of a stretch to go from an Agricultural Lab to biological weapons testing.

"We're proud of our role as America's first line of defense against foreign animal diseases." Against disease? Apparently you are all proud of the diseases you have created, and the deaths you have caused. And how about the families that no longer have their loved ones or better yet, the people who have gotten your evil diseases and are now somehow 'living' with the effects? Proud? What's next?

"We're equally proud of our safety record. Not once in our nearly 50 years of operation has an animal pathogen escaped from the island." Lies Lies and more Lies! What the heck is that monster in the photo below? Or the human washed up on shore with the 'long-fingers?' How about the Lyme Disease and West Nile virus, just to name a few that have entered conveniently when you were "researching" or should I say creating them?

The Montauk Monster was found on the beach near the business district of Montauk, New York, in July 2008. It was officially passed off as a turtle without it's shell, a dog or more famously, a raccoon. An unidentified human remain also washed up on shore as well. No one seemed to want to comment on this finding but eye witnesses say he was tall at approx 6'2, and partially decomposed.

It was reported as having long fingers and puncture holes in the skull. Rumor has it this is another 'experiment' from Plum Island. As for the monster? On August 7, 2008, State and government officials stated the unidentified creature was most likely a dog, and would be taken to a nearby facility for analysis and study. It wouldn't be something from Plum Island Lab would it?

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This is from the Agricultural Magazine: "There are no secrets at Plum Island—but there is great caution. In foot-and-mouth disease alone, the Plum Island scientific team is working with a virus that, if loosed on the U.S. livestock population, could cost anywhere from $54 million to $690 million to control even a small outbreak—and that doesn't even consider the approximately $4 billion annual loss in export sales of U.S. beef.

Because of the dreadful potential consequences of that one disease, Congress decreed in the early 1950's that the FMD virus could only be studied off the U.S. mainland—in other words, on an island."

Dreadful potential consequences? Would that mean if we moved this "lab" to the mainland it could be a danger? Plum Island is moving to Kansas. Yep- straight to the Heartland where it's diseases can be spread throughout the country. It's all to familiar in Kansas, but has our Homeland Security heard of tornado's? Famous in those parts of America.

Oh but I'm sure they have planned for that. Or maybe we can just look forward to one of it's uncommitted accidents that will spread life-threatening diseases to the crops and animals and people located in Kansas, and spread from there.

But yes, it it true that Plum Island is for sale. Never mind the birds, animals, ticks and so forth that live there and carry horrific diseases. Or the dirt and ground that I'm sure many 'bodies' of animals or heck even humans have been buried, it is a beautiful place. Any takers?

Listen, there is so much more information to give, so many cover-ups and lies. This is just a glance at the real story. All I wanted to do by writing this was give you a taste of truth and if I made you start to question the Government, or Plum Island, good.

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Icon 1 posted 08-26-2014 03:45 PM Profile for Marnie Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote "numb and dumb enemies"

Who is to say another country didn't

do this to us i.e., set Bb loose on us?

Either of those scenarios - we did it - they did it - is NONSENSE, IMO.


Bb - a diderm (double membrane)BACTERIA, in it's RA triggering form, has been around a LONG TIME...from the Iceman found in the Alps as well as in other parts of Europe

and in the U.S.

Bb may have been around for as long as the time when the earth had ONE continent called Pangea.

Bb was found in ticks in a museum long before the connection between Bb infected ticks feeding on animals and transmitting lyme was made.

"These data suggest that the

appearance of the Lyme disease spirochete

in suitable arthropod vectors

preceded,

***by at least a generation,***

the *formal recognition* of this disease

as a clinical entity in the United States."

(That happened when "Willy" identified Bb as the cause of lyme in 1981.)

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2402635

In Europe...Bb was found in ticks that were (archived) and were a century old - 100 years:

 http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/30131629?uid=3739600&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104561438287

BTW...they've found the "Iceman's" (5300 years old) descendants! He had lyme disease.

 http://news.discovery.com/history/living-relatives-of-iceman-mummy-found-131014.htm

Ötzi's mitochondrial DNA belongs to the K1 subcluster of the mitochondrial haplogroup K.

Wiki.

Apparently that mitochondrial group = less likely to get Parkinson's:

"Our study suggests that haplogroup K might confer a lower risk for PD in Italians, corroborating the idea that

the mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation pathway

is involved in the susceptibility to idiopathic PD."

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15827561

Overall, individuals classified as haplogroup K show a significant

increase in the risk of developing breast cancer.

 http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/67/10/4687.long

But...

Individuals carrying ***haplogroup J *** showed a significantly

decreased risk of knee OA (osteoarthritis)

 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/art.23659/pdf

Hummm... Bet the iceman wishes he had haplogroup J.

"There is compelling evidence that mitochondria and chloroplasts were

once primitive bacterial cells."

 http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/cells/organelles/


BTW...They think the iceman's tattoos might be a very old form of...get this..acupuncture (for pain relief) which predates the use of acupuncture needles in China.

2014..new antibiotic - oddly...pangea today...

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As you believe the idea of Lyme having been weaponised is nonsense, I invite you to read an article I wrote some years ago. Everything in it is based on material from a Barclay Moon Newman, a US Navy malariologist who recognised, during WW2, that Japan had embarked on a massive programme of biological warfare.

Today historians know beyond a shadow of a doubt that that is true.


Spirochete Warfare

by Elena Cook
Introduction

Borrelia, the microbes which cause Lyme disease, are a sub-type of the wider biological classification of spirochetes. Now it has become apparent that the spirochetes were weaponized over 75 years ago.

That knowledge comes to us from a book published in 1944. The title of the book is "Japan's Secret Weapon", by Barclay Newman, a leading science writer of the time, as well as former US Navy malaria scientist.

For decades the public health agencies of the US and other NATO countries have denied the existence of virulent cell-wall deficient forms of spirochetes. The lack of a cell wall renders microbes resistant to penicillin and related antibiotics, as these work precisely by disrupting the formation of new cell walls during bacterial replication. The minute size and pleomorphic nature of these forms, in contrast to the striking spiral shape of a typical spirochete as featured in modern microbiology textbooks, made these microbes appear "invisible" - above all to those who did not wish, or did not wish others, to see them.

This WW2-era book helps to confirm what some investigating the history of Lyme disease have long suspected; that the official denial of the devastating pathogenic nature of the granule and other "L-forms"(1) of Lyme-causing Borrelia, is related to their biological warfare significance.

To put it bluntly, Newman's book provides cogent circumstantial evidence that many Cell-wall deficient forms of Borrelia are in fact weaponized spirochetes, nurtured, cultured and optimized for aerosol delivery.

The following essay is based on the information in Chapter IV of Newman's book. The title of the chapter is simply "Spirochete Warfare".
Background

For many decades it was assumed that the horrors of the Second World War did not include the use of biological weapons. Finally, in the 1980's, thanks to the diligent efforts of historians and investigative journalists, the barbaric crimes of the Japanese Unit 731 were revealed to the general public.

Unit 731 and related units practised mass medical experimentation, including the cutting open of living human beings, who endured grotesque surgical operations without anaesthetic. Often the purpose was to observe directly the hemorrhaging and other changes in the organs of the victim - man, woman or child - as he or she died in agony from a deliberately-induced infectious disease.

As well as human experimentation, the Japanese scientists launched attacks with plague and other weapons of mass destruction, killing many thousands of Chinese and other victims. The true death toll of these atrocities is not yet known outside of classified circles.

Though the US government has long denied it, not only were they fully aware of the Japanese and Nazi biowarfare programs, but also, incredibly, after the War, they protected the architects of these programs of death from prosecution as war criminals. This was in order to recruit them for the American biological weapons program against the Soviet bloc, which they duly did.

We now know, for example, that the US allowed leading Nazi bioweaponeer Erich Traub to play a major role in setting up research at their biowarfare lab on Plum Island, a stone's throw away from Lyme, Connecticut, where the first recorded outbreak of Lyme disease in America occurred in the 1970's. Traub's germ warfare knowledge was considered so important that, his Nazi past notwithstanding, he was invited to take charge of scientific research on the Island in the 1950's.

Like Traub, Japanese biowarfaremen were similarly greeted with open arms, their wartime atrocities hushed up. In return for their co-operation, the US allowed these monsters to occupy some of the most prestigious and influential posts in Japanese medicine, till their retirement decades later.
Newman's Fear
During the War, Barclay Newman, leading science writer and former malariologist with the US Navy became aware that the Japanese were building up a program of deadly biological weaponry. Desperate to warn his countrymen of what he believed was an impending Armageddon, he wrote a book entitled "Japan's Secret Weapon".

At the time, the American military authorities wanted to ban his book, but later decided that to do so would call too much attention to the very issues they considered it necessary to cover up. Instead they resorted to arranging a smear campaign against the author, and unfavorable reviews dismissing Newman's revelations as alarmist fantasy were published in the press. Today, thanks to the efforts of leading historians, we know that Newman's fears regarding a Japanese biological program of mass destruction were soundly-based, and indeed, one of the most authoritative works on the history of biowarfare Unit 731 relies on information found in Newman's book.(2)

"Japan's Secret Weapon" contains no less than 28 pages on one aspect of the Japanese bioweapon program - "Spirochete Warfare". Newman begins his chapter of the same name by lamenting the widespread disbelief, in his era, of the true devastating potential of germ warfare. He then alleges that two to three years before Pearl Harbor, "Nazi and Japanese scientists cooperated in warfare against or with spirochetes - in Hawaii." (original author's italics). What he is referring to is an exceptionally virulent outbreak of the spirochetal disease leptospirosis, also known as Weil's disease, and known at the time in Germany as "slime fever". With official reports of 44% mortality from the outbreak, Newman states:

Consult the authorities, and you will find out that, very definitely, so high a mortality is attained only by Japanese strains of spirochetes of slime fever.

In his characteristic tongue-in-cheek style, Newman goes on to say the following:

Suppose you consult a spirochete specialist in his laboratory at an institute devoted to research on tropical diseases. This specialist is busy, of course. But not so busy as he ought to be or as he will be later..."It is difficult, even for an expert technician, to catch and recognize a spirochete," the specialist informs you. "So here are some pictures from the gallery of the world's worst rogues."

Newman goes on to describe a picture of a typical syphilis spirochete, in a manual offered by the hypothetical spirochetologist to the reader, and then says:

"Bacterium?" you ask.

"No, according to the Japanese, who know the most about spirochetes, they are like bacteria in being low forms of plant life - that is, fungi. The Japanese claim that spirochetes are closely related to bacteria but are not bacteria, among which spiral forms are found. Like bacteria, spirochetes reproduce by splitting across the middle. But the Japanese think that a spirochete can also break itself into many tiny granules, each as small as the invisible molecule of a virus, and each capable of recreating a new spirochete. Bacteria do not seem to multiply in this odd way...The Japanese say that there is no drug effective against this spirochete."

(Emphasis mine. It is important to bear in mind that these words were written at the dawn of the antibiotic era. Today many patients who have been lucky enough to receive a correct diagnosis of their Lyme disease have been cured, or had their symptoms alleviated, by modern therapeutic agents.)

The imaginary spirochetologist goes on to explain that much of the research on spirochetes current at that time, and even the manuals in use by US forces and the Public Health Service, are based on Japanese findings. In Newman's scenario, the reader goes on to examine pictures of syphilis, borrelia and other spirochetes, in the US military manual, all originating from Japanese drawings:

You find out that Inada and Ito were the great investigators of the spirochetes of slime fever. When you peer closely at the dainty Japanese pictures of this spirochete, you perceive that, although at first sight it seems to be a chain of bright dots, it is really a slender thread whose spiralling gives the impression of beading. The thread is curved or hooked at one or both ends. The living spiral propels itself by rotary motion of the hook, as the Japanese discovered.

Newman then describes how the work of Hideyo Noguchi, acclaimed worldwide for his discovery of the syphilis spirochete as the cause of general paresis in 1913, was continued in Japanese labs.

Japanese technicians took a hint from Noguchi and forced the spirochete to multiply on special jellies. The Japanese have reported that you can increase the virulence, or killing power, of these spirals by growing them in flesh and blood, of guinea pig or man.

(Emphasis mine.) It is useful to remember at this point that the difficulty in culturing spirochetes using normal, ethical methods, was not just a pitfall of WW2-era technology. The resistance of many spirochetes, including borrelia, to culture in vitro remains a problem for lab scientists even today.

In Japan, vaccines for prophylaxis have long been in use. But non-Japanese workers cannot make such vaccines. None but the Japanese seems to know how to use spirochete vaccines to prevent the spread of an epidemic.

Newman goes on to discuss the Japanese discoveries of spirochetal agents of nanukayami ("seven-day fever") and akiyami ("autumn fever") and then, referring to one of the original discoverers of the causative agent of leptospirosis, states:

Inada has reported that the Japanese know how to get virus-like, quite invisible particles or spirochete- fragments from special cultures of spirochetes of infectious jaundice. The Japanese say that such infinitesimals can be used to infect animals and men, by spraying droplets containing these spirochete-creating bits into the air, or spreading them through water, or scattering them in mud or damp soil.

(Emphasis mine.)

Newman then discusses the prevalence of leptospirosis worldwide, and his imaginary spirochete expert notes:

"...Immediately before the Japanese invasion of China, Indo-China, the Dutch East Indies, and the Malay States, and shortly before the Japanese invasion of India and the Japanese strokes at Australia, the very first outbreaks of slime fever were reported from every one of these areas..."

After an enigmatic discussion about American and British outbreaks of leptospirosis, and the tick-borne disease tularemia in the US (the latter Newman's scientist describes as having "somehow got in accidentally from Japan"), the reader, in the hypothetical discussion, asks about antibiotics:

"Why can't sulfa drugs be used?"

"Simply because they have no effect on the spirochetes."

"What about penicillin? The newspapers say that penicillin is effective where other miracle drugs fail."

"That's an enthusiastic way of telling you that penicillin is effective against certain infections caused by bacteria which are not influenced by sulfa dugs. As the Japanese have pointed out, spirochetes are not bacteria. And just to give you some idea of the distance to a cure-all, the Japanese actually grow dysentery bacilli and other bacteria in cultures saturated with sulfa drugs. In this way they get strains which are not only more virulent but completely resistant to sulfa drugs. Other bacteria not affected by the most miraculous new synthetics are those of tuberculosis and leprosy. For the worst plagues there are as yet no drugs at all..."

"...They [ie the Japanese] find spirochetes especially fascinating?"

"And they never give up. In 1940, Masao Mujimori reported new successes in transmitting syphilis spirochetes from cultures grown for many years in the laboratories of Tokyo Imperial University - doubtless the very cultures started in a small way by Noguchi. Fujimori (sic) was testing out the effects of spreading two different parasites into the same guinea pig at the same time. The Japanese discovered that one parasite promotes the lethal action of the other. He demonstrated that diphtheria bacilli are more virulent when used along with syphilis ...

"Sometimes the Japanese think up the damnedest experiments, such as the transmission of syphilis by spraying the spirochetes into the air or into the eyes of animals or volunteers. Infection is thus accomplished. Japanese technicians have been not only the outstandingly successful cultivators of spirochetes and many other very deadly germs but also the sole successful mass producers of the most dangerous and horrible microbes....Some of the apparently fantastic claims of new methods of transmission by Japanese specialists have been investigated and their truth established in American laboratories years after the claims were first made. Therefore, if you want to speculate further about the possibilities of spirochete warfare, you can be sure that the Japanese know how to spread any spirochete disease - slime fever, syphilis, yaws, sodoku (3), relapsing fever - by spraying droplets laden with specially cultured spirochetes. So they do not have to drop infected fleas, rats or even leopards from planes, as suggested by popular writers.

Relapsing fever is caused by the Borrelia genus of bacteria, and is generally transmitted to man either by lice, or by the bite of a tick. It is worth noting, too, that recent investigations into the genetic make-up of Lyme borrelia have found some strains apparently more closely related to relapsing fever Borrelia than to Borrelia burgdorferi, long considered the only borrelia capable of causing Lyme disease.

The spirochetologist continues:

"It would cost only a few thousand yen, possibly only a few yen if you pieced out the work in homes, to produce enough spirochetes to infect a nation or even a continent. As to methods of broadcasting spirochetes secretly so as to avoid detection and reprisal, you yourself can probably list hundreds of different furtive technics if you put your mind on the problem...Such broadcast spirochetes and super-spirochetes bred to order would stay alive in dust, water, damp soil, mud, food. And none would be the wiser. Cases and epidemics would not break out until the enemy had been gone for days, weeks, or even months...."

The conversation continues:

"Are spirochetes really doing any significant killing anywhere?"

"Slime fever kills its thousands, syphilis and yaws their tens of thousands, and spirochete relapsing fever its hundreds of thousands if not its millions..."

"Hundreds of thousands, possibly millions - where?"

"In Africa today, where it is spread among tens of millions by ticks, lice and bedbugs. The spirochete of relapsing fever is almost as important a killer as malaria and trypanosomiasis, or sleeping sickness...The spirochete virulence varies widely...Only a small per cent may succumb, but in a few epidemics the mortality has attained 75 per cent. In West Africa in a recent epidemic extending through several years, probably 10 per cent of the entire population was killed off by spirochetes running wild from Morocco and Algiers down the Niger to Senegal and the French Sudan, southward to the Gold Coast and Nigeria. Perhaps a million natives died in this one epidemic..."

Newman's spirochetologist then suggests that the tropical spirochetal disease yaws would be an even more likely candidate for dissemination by the Japanese, due to the fact that apart from flies, the disease may be spread by contact with infected objects and any direct contact with a sufferer. He describes how, after an incubation period of a few weeks, yaws causes joint pains, digestive disturbances, headache, fever and a skin nodule surrounded by a ring of inflammation. A few months later further sores break out and the headache and joint pains intensify. The symptoms are recurrent and in the late stages the victim suffers horrific deformity of his face as the spirochetes rot the bones of the nose, palate and eye. The spirochetologist reassures the reader that a deliberate dissemination of yaws in temperate climates could be controlled by modern hygiene measures and drugs. Asked why yaws and other epidemics were not controlled in the Philippines, given that "disease and not the Japanese beat us in the Philippines", the scientist simply shrugs:

"Such an oversight is out of my province."

"How many lives would you say such an oversight has cost?"

"Hundreds of thousands of lives and millions of casualties in the Philippines alone, within a space of a very few years, say five."

Newman's scientist discusses, with more than a dollop of cynicism, the fact that recent efforts by US scientists to duplicate experiments in the culture of yaws and syphilis spirochetes published by Noguchi and his successors have failed.

"Now we find that no spirochetes develop in such jellies, even though the Japanese directions are followed painstakingly. Essential information must have been withheld by the Japanese. Nevertheless, it is difficult to believe that Noguchi would in his magnificent benevolence countenance such secrecy. Noguchi had a world view."

The chapter concludes with a discussion of sodoku, and the fact that Japanese researchers had "found" these microbes in the noses of lepers in India, even though it is normally acquired not by the airborne route, but by the bite of an animal. The Japanese reported that these bacteria were then able to infect "volunteers". Newman, referring to biowarfare as "oligodynamic warfare", concludes his chapter on spirochetes with the following chilling words:

In oligodynamic warfare, pigmies amok may loose the thunderbolts of the gods.

Lyme disease, like that other spirochetal disease, syphilis, is known as a "Great Imitator". It is believed to be able to mimic dozens of conditions, including Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's Disease), Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or M.E., Attention Deficit Disorder, Multiple Sclerosis, Autism, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus, and many more. Recent evidence has even linked it with the devastating plague of Alzheimers. (4)(5)

Could we, in the 21st century, be witnessing the shocking legacy of attempts to unleash the "thunderbolts of the gods?"

"Japan's Secret Weapon" by Barclay Newman was published by Current Publishing Co., New York in 1944. At the time of writing (November 2008), it is still available to the public at various online booksellers, at prices ranging from $25 to $100. (6)

Elena Cook can be contacted at the following email address:

elena444cook at yahoo dot co dot uk
References

L-forms are variants of bacteria lacking a cell wall. The "L" refers to the Lister Institute where they were studied in the 1930's. They occur both spontaneously and also as a result of induction in the lab by agents such as penicillin. Some L-forms revert to their original form; others appear to remain stable. (adapted from "Jawetz, Melnick and Adelberg's Medical Microbiology", McGraw-Hill Professional, 2004)
ie "Unit 731, the Japanese Army's Secret off Secrets", Williams P, and Wallace, D, Published by Hodder and Stoughton 1989.
Sodoku is the Japanese name for the disease rat-bite fever. According to CDC, "Rat-bite fever (RBF) is an infectious disease caused by two different organisms, Streptobacillus moniliformis and Spirillum minus. In the United States, Rat-bite fever is primarily due to infection with S. moniliformis. Spirillum minus causes Rat-bite fever cases in countries such as Asia and Africa." Interestingly S. Moniliformis was one of the first bacteria for which L-form was cultured in the lab. (Shingaki et al, in "Induction of L-form-like cell shape change of Bacillus subtilis under microculture conditions" Microbiology 149 (2003), 2501-2511) Spirillum minus, though spiral-shaped, is no longer classified as a spirochete in microbiological nomenclature.
See "Plaques of Alzheimer's disease originate from cysts of Borrelia burgdorferi, the Lyme disease spirochete" MacDonald AB., Med Hypotheses. 2006;67(3):592-600. Epub 2006
See also "Beta-amyloid deposition and Alzheimer's type changes induced by Borrelia spirochetes". Miklossy et al, Neurobiol Aging. 2006 Feb;27(2):228-36.
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birds antibiotic resistance

The thought is: *birds* have contributed to the spreading of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

Keep in mind bacteria (and likely viruses and fungi) share proteins.

It is likely Bb picked up an "export drug protein" from a different microbe = antibiotic resistance - some common ones - including Staph, et al. This process is called horizontal transfer.

Why would someone "weaponize" a bacteria if - at that time (75 years ago) - they didn't know it could cause disease/harm?

Where do you think the name of that spirochete CAME FROM

and WHEN?!

So you are telling me, someone at Plum Island (or elsewhere - we have 4 bio labs) - took an ***un-named*** spirochete they happened to isolate and mutated it to cause disease

as bio-ware agent

and it "escaped" in some animal from the confines of the lab?

NO WAY.

The government (our or others) did NOT do this. Bb has been around a LONG LONG time in many locations around the world - including the U.S.

Why do so many lyme patients focus on a "conspiracy theory"?

 http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/2013/05/conspiracy-theories-fill-a-need/

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7943444

***Prozac, in the highest levels allowed, looks to help counter/protect one from *neuro* lyme.***

Based on personal observations!

But I understand the "why".

Bb is very tryptophan dependent (cannot grow in tryptophan depleted nutrients)...Bb needs the ***metabolites of tryptophan.*** Keep levels of tryptophan/serotonin higher longer - in the brain.

But Prozac does NOT appear to protect someone from systemic Bb.

For that, we need other approaches.

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I am busy right now so I will reply more fully later. However, two points:

1. Your reply to me is very offensive. I was not insulting to you. I am very happy to accept the fact that people have different viewpoints. Posting links to imply that someone who has a different view to you holds those views because they suffer from schizophrenia, prozac, or indeed neuropsychiatric effects of Lyme Disease is very offensive.

2. Yersinia pestis (bacterial agent of plague) and Bacillus anthracis, agent of anthrax, have been around for centuries, if not millennia. Would you argue that these are not biological weapons because they have been around for a long time?

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Icon 1 posted 08-28-2014 01:01 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Marnie, you wrote:

“We messed up our environment and they THRIVED - multiplied. Ticks are attracted to CO2....so let's cut down forests (trees produce O2) and see what happens.”

There are very few things that both the Denialists and our camp agree on. But one of them is this: we all agree that forests are a high-risk habitat for Lyme ticks. Therefore how do you conclude that cutting down forests increased ticks?

Marnie wrote:

“Our overuse of antibiotics also has greatly contributed to microbes need to modify their gene proteins to become more resistant to killing.”

Absolutely. But prior to the sixties Lyme Disease was virtually unknown in the US. It was not a case of millions of people with Lyme infections being treated with abx, as was the case with staphylococcus aureus and other bacteria which became multi-resistant to abx.

Lyme hides intracellularly, hides behind the blood-brain-barrier (which many abx cannot penetrate), , assumes cystic, biofilm and other antibiotic-evasive forms. These and other mechanisms that Lyme possesses have nothing to do with overuse of antibiotics.

You might believe that because of the announcement that Oetzi the Iceman had Lyme, that this somehow implies that Lyme infection has been present in US among many/most people for centuries. If so, how do you explain the fact that there is NOT A SINGLE report of erythema migrans rash in the US med literature until Scrimenti’s report (which related to a case in 1969?)

We all know that the Steerites have massively exaggerated the occurrence of bullseye EM rash in Lyme. Even so, given the population of the US, if this disease was prevalent in the US population before the sixties, how would you explain that there are NO reports at all of EM rash before 1969?

That fact indicates it was either extremely uncommon in US before that time, or non-existent. Either way, it is extremely unlikely then to have acquired multiple resistance to antibiotics by natural methods as you believe.

We all have the lactobacillus and other probiotic "good" bacteria within us. yet decades of abx overuse has not made them acquire abx resistance.We still risk killing them off when we take long courses of abx.

Certainly, bacteria in nature share plasmids containing antibiotic resistance genes. However Bb has more plasmids than ANY bacteria known to mankind.

Borrelia was found very early on to be highly resistant to rifampicin. Rifampicin was a “last-resort” drug for decades, as it was one of the few abx active against TB. (Now TB is becoming multiply-resistant to abx too, ironically not because of overuse of abx – because of “underuse” – ie people not finishing their very long courses of abx, and therefore encouraging selection for resistant strains).It is hard to imagine that resistance to ripfampicin occurred in Lyme due to "overuse" of a drug that was very rarely used.

Culturing the bacteria in media cotnaining abx would promote resistance -which is what biowarfare scientists do all the time.

Today Bb is cultured by normal scientists in rifampin because it kills **everything else**.

You spoke about Bb’s effect on dendritic cells – granted, it messes with them and many other components of the immune system, but that in no way supports the idea that all these many immune-evasive mechanisms evolved naturally. Dr. Stricker recently wrote about the astonishingly huge number of ways Borrelia mess with the immune system, compared to other bacteria.


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Icon 1 posted 08-28-2014 07:01 PM Profile for Marnie Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote You missed the word at the top of the page in my first link. It reads: “Recovery”.

And Minocycline is effective for schizophrenia which is often caused by a pathogen + inflammation + genetic predisposition.

 http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why-can-t-i-get-better/201402/antibiotics-found-effective-in-schizophrenia

By Dr. H** Feb. 2014

Japan using Bb as germ warfare? Strange given this:

Lyme disease is sporadically observed in Japan since the
*first report in 1987.*

And just when did the ability to do DNA analysis begin?

PMID:8534936

Barclay Moon Newman? His book about Japan and bio-warfare is quite the contrast (!!!) to his other books! MANY religious books – ***very*** strange! That ONE book was totally out of “his” character…whatever that may be.

And… I wondered by someone's email address was given in a post.

 http://tinyurl.com/35ndeey

Now I understand...


I believe it is not in the best interest of the Lyme community to declare Lyme disease is/was a result of government actions especially those attributed to Plum Island by persons who promote conspiracy theories.

Lyme disease is NOT/was NOT a government conspiracy/cover-up, IMO.

Researchers did not MAKE/create Bb, nor did they release it.

“The bacteria that causes Lyme disease has been around for a super-whopping long time, according to evidence pried from ticks trapped in amber some 15 to 20 million years ago.” (Picture here)

 http://news.discovery.com/human/health/lyme-disease-bacteria-older-than-the-human-race-140529.htm

That makes Bb older than the human race!

Wasn’t there just one continent way back then?

The veterinarians (Hagan and Traub) working on Plum Island may indeed have been involved in bio-warfare (until it was halted by President Nixon in 1969).

However, the pathogens they were using were those they were familiar with, ones that had been isolated, identified, and named and were known to cause specific diseases.

Bb, in 1975, had not been isolated, identified or named until Willy Burgdorferi did so
in 1982.

In other words, ***at that time, those men did not even know Bb existed, much less used it in testing.***

It is NOT LOGICAL to say they did work with Bb or that they created Bb or that they were responsible for accidentally inducing Lyme disease in the U.S.

I believe Michael C. Carroll did a disservice to the Lyme community with his book, Lab 257, and his conspiracy theory that pathogens, including Bb, were accidentally introduced into the continental U.S.

Seven years prior to Carroll’s book release, in 1997 a novel titled “Plum Island” written by Nelson DeMille was released.

That book was pure FICTION

and was about a detective investigating the murder of a couple who may have been engaged ***in germ war-fare research.***

And today, Carroll’s book is listed in “MostlyFiction Book Reviews”

 http://www/mstlyfiction.com/excerpts/lab257.htm

Even the executive director of the American Lyme Disease Foundation does not believe the idea that Lyme disease originated on Plum Island.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_257

Carroll says,

“All of these disease outbreaks were first documented within a few miles of the labs. Further, as if the appearance of these ***foreign disease organisms*** are not incriminating enough, the sudden and inexplicable appearance of the Lone Star Tick in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut should be, because this sedentary tick species was formerly confined to the state of Texas.

Despite the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s *repeated denials* of their work with these organisms at Plum Island,

there are documents that reveal otherwise.

However, even if the government denials are true,

these many coincidences are, in my opinion, just too numerous not to be viewed with great suspicion.”

 http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2007/08/30/lab-257/


What?!

First he says he has proof (documents indicating)

the government lied,

but in case they didn’t lie, in case they ARE telling the truth,

we should still be suspicious = a lawyer talking!

He is attempting to instill doubt in you - doubting our government’s actions (did they or did they not accidentally release Bb?) and thus he is trying to win you over to his conspiracy theory.

In Carroll’s book, he is misleading when he quotes the following,

“There is a great concern about the prevalence of Lyme disease on eastern Long Island,” Mike Forbes said, winding up.

“And here we have the highest incidence of it in the world.”

I know, for fact, that in Walworth County in southern Wisconsin, *very recently* the percentage of ticks infected with Bb is 80%. And there are a LOT of ticks!

It is very easy to fall into his trap i.e., “THEY DID THIS TO US!”

Blaming/accusing someone else (in this case the government) for your misfortune (contracting Lyme) does you no good.

The conspiracy belief serves a need by
providing a justification for less reactivity
to a perceived threat,

but also in each case,
there is plenty of danger that can result from
belief in the conspiracy

if in fact it does not exist.

 http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/2013/05/conspiracy-theories-fill-a-need/ Note the word, RECOVERY at the top of the page!

A conspiracy theory isn’t so much a response to a single event as it is
an expression of an overarching worldview.

Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and
powerlessness.

Kathryn Olmsted, a historian at the University of California, Davis, says that
conspiracy theories wouldn’t exist in a world in which real conspiracies don’t exist.

(How true! But…it is very hard to tell truth from fiction sometimes.)

Psychologists aren’t sure whether powerlessness causes conspiracy theories or vice versa.

 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all

My concern is, IF Lyme protestors make up posters claiming the government CAUSED Lyme disease, that a conspiracy happened at Plum Island,

that action may backfire.

They may lose their power advantage (become powerless and change - recognition of the seriousness of lyme, action, medical coverage, etc. - may not happen).

People will take notice if the posters say, “Each year, approximately 30,000 cases of Lyme disease are reported. 5,600 people in the U.S. are diagnosed with ALS each year.”

Or…

“Bb is older than the human race. It’s about time we take notice and do something about stopping the transmission!”

“Children are in the highest risk category for Lyme Disease.”

(Protestor wearing a “Lone Ranger type mask carries a poster that says) “Lyme masquerades as other diseases."

Outbreaks of MANY diseases often do happen in geographic CLUSTERS for reasons many times for reasons unknown.

In 1975, there was an outbreak of juvenile arthritis and adult arthritis (39 children and 7 adults) in one location in the Northeast that triggered the attention of Dr. Allen Steere.

However, in 1976, he ALSO found a clusters in the neighboring states and in the Midwest when he applied a broader definition of the disease.

Now the Midwest is quite a distance from Plum Island. But it was Dr. Steere’s presence in the Eastern states at that moment in time, that first triggered the AWARENESS of LYME.

Multiple Sclerosis, Inflammatory Bowel Disease/Crohn’s Disease, cancer and West Nile virus ALSO happen in clusters periodically all over the world.

While ALS is not yet in the geographic cluster category, it was recently found to be caused by a cyanobacteria in pond scum, NOT as a result of Bb -Lyme disease.

Genetically susceptible persons react to it while others do not.

 http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/was-lou-gehrigs-als-caused-by-tap-water-38804/

MS is linked strongly to EBV and HERV-W (viruses), NOT Bb - Lyme, as the cause.

 http://multiple-sclerosis-research.blogspot.com/2013/11/hervs-and-ebv-link-with-ms.html 2013

Finally…

“Mr. Carroll writes that experiments lab scientists performed with *ticks injected with viruses* might have led to the Lyme disease outbreak.

Infected ticks used in lab experiments, he postulates, might have escaped from the lab and reached the mainland on birds or swimming deer.

''I'm not a scientist, but what I am saying is that there is enough evidence of these multiple unexplained germ outbreaks near Plum Island that scientists need to sit down and actually investigate,'' he said.”

“Mr. Carroll said that he had no prior personal or professional connection to the lab before undertaking the book project, and that he was drawn to the project after

looking out at Plum Island across Plum Gut from the tip of Orient Point and promising himself that

he would learn what really happened at the secretive laboratory.

''I am painting an image,'' he said. ''People have to know about this place.''

 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/15/nyregion/heaping-more-dirt-on-plum-i.html?src=pm&pagewanted=2

For sure, he is NOT a scientist OR a microbiologist.

Ticks injected with viruses do NOT lead to a Lyme disease outbreak.

Lyme disease, Mr. Carroll, is caused by a spirochete, not a virus in a tick.

BTW…I’d like to know if there still IS billions of dollars worth of gold in the highly guarded and very secretive Ft. Knox?

I’m content to take the government’s word on it…still there. Sure is not in my piggy bank!

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Icon 1 posted 08-29-2014 11:29 AM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Lymetoo, you have made a good point re misdiagnosis of EM rashes, but you are mistaken and I will explain why in my next post .(Pressed for time now, excuse me.).

Marnie, I will answer your many points too, all of which are wrong, when I have more time but I would just like to say I am astonished you, as someone who has been on Lymenet for 13 years, could say this:

"Even the executive director of the American Lyme Disease Foundation does not believe the idea that Lyme disease originated on Plum Island."

The ALDF has a position that chronic Lyme does not exist, that the IDSA Lyme guidelines are the best thing since sliced bread etc etc.. Do you seriously suggest we should value the opinion of this fake patients organisation (which has no patients supporting it) on anything at all?

Moreover with chairmen like Phil Baker, former NIH Lyme programme Officer and former NIH Anthrax Programme officer, do you really think this is an IMPARTIAL source for information on Plum Island and biowarfare activities carried out by the US military?

I'll leave you with this comment on the ALDF from Lorraine Johnson's blog on website www.lymedisease.org

"More precisely, the ALDF is a proxy for the IDSA Lyme guidelines panel. Four of its 7 board members, sat of the IDSA Lyme guidelines panel (Drs. Shapiro, Wormser, Krause, and Fish). Dr. Wormser, of course, chaired that panel. The other 3 members? Well, they are not patients, they’re not doctors and they’re not researchers. One is a business consultant, one is with an executive search firm, and the last does investment research.

The ALDF is now headed by Dr. Phil Baker, who, until he retired from the NIH ran the Lyme clinical trials.

During his tenure, one trial, the Klempner trial (which found antibiotics ineffective in treating chronic Lyme) was rushed to publication, while the publication of a companion trial on monkeys (which found persistence notwithstanding treatment) was delayed for 10 years.

Actually, the second trial was not published until after Dr. Baker had left the premises and retired.

Meanwhile, we are told Dr. Baker walked the halls of congress (and, apparently still does) saying there was no need for further research on Lyme, that the science was a closed book, that there was no persistence, and that there was no need to treat patients further. It’s not surprising then that when he left government, his particular revolving door led him to an IDSA advocacy organization. I’ve been told he now lobbies on behalf of the ALDF and IDSA.

What does the ALDF recommend as resources for patients? The IDSA guidelines first and foremost.

- See more at:  http://lymedisease.org/news/lymepolicywonk/lymepolicywonk-bogus-grassroots-groups-%E2%80%93-who%E2%80%99s-who-and-what%E2%80%99s-what-with-the-american-lyme-disease-foundation-aldf .html"

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Icon 1 posted 08-29-2014 12:40 PM Profile for Marnie Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote That evil looking picture:

 http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-truth-behind-5-real-monsters-that-fooled-the-internet/

Under "Identifications"

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Monster

There are MANY strange looking NATURAL "critters" (that have not been used in experiments):

Pictures of just 25 of them - really fun to view:

 http://www.rounds.com/blog/top-25-animals-existed/

BTW...bartonella looks to have evolved from Erlichia and measles naturally evolved from Rinderpest - one of the *viruses* Traub was interested in.

Bartonella - scroll down to picture of evolution.

Measles origin:

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20202190


 http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/bbchomel/WHO_Zoonoses/PDF/bartonellalecture.pdf


Not sure what would happen if Rinderpest was injected into Anthrax - Bacillus (which was Hagen's expertise).

If that animal that washed up on the shore was one discarded by persons on Plum Island, they should have examined it for ANTHRAX, not the Lyme spirochete, IMO.

 http://anthrax.emedtv.com/anthrax/cause-of-anthrax.html

There is a fine line between genius and madness...Einstein's son developed schizophrenia which Einstein believed genetically came from his wife. Maybe not. Take a careful look at Einstein's early childhood - speech development.

Speech delay is a major symptom of autism. If one area of the brain is damaged (as a fetus), other areas may develop as a compensatory mechanism.

Einstein's brain had more glial cells...the word "glial" = "glue".

Laminin is the "glue" that holds our cells together. It is shaped like a ...cross.

More likely Einstein's son came in contact with a pathogen because we now know: pathogen + inflammation + genetic predisposition = schizophrenia. AND we know Minocycline can help...a LOT.

 http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleID=100418

Today a street drug called "special K" can trigger schizo.

in susceptible persons.

 http://health.ucsd.edu/news/2007/Pages/12-5-ketamine.aspx

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I'm exhausted trying to take all this research in, I just hope we don't have an exam at the end of this lecture.

I can't wait for the next chapter!!!

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Steve...good! No grades given...just good old "brain exercise" which is a GOOD THING.

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Icon 1 posted 08-30-2014 01:22 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Marnie, having been up since 5 am, I am too tired to reply now, other than to warn you that if you continue to insult me and the many other people here who acknowledge the reality of the Lyme-biowarfare coverup, by implying that we are paranoid, mentally ill etc, I will report you to the moderators for breaking the terms and conditions of this forum.

I will leave you with the FAQ from my website which addresses a number of the fallacies in your posts, and a question-

Do you think the Countess of Mar, a very prominent member of Parliament here in Britain, is mentally ill because she asked the following question in our Parliament:

"Asked by The Countess of Mar

To ask Her Majesty's Government whether Lyme disease is still being studied at Porton Down for its potential as a biological weapon."

(Source:  http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201212/ldhansrd/text/120125w0001.htm)

I don't have the money to sue people who libel me in public, and I am guessing that some of the others here may not either, but Lady Mar, as a titled member of the aristocracy, most certainly does. Are you going to put it in writing, that everyone -INCLUDING Lady Mar - who has ever addressed this issue as we have is mentally ill?

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Q. Is Lyme Disease the result of a Leak from a Biological Warfare lab at Plum Island?

A. The Plum Island Animal Disease Centre (PIADC), located a short distance across the water from the town of Lyme, Connecticut, was operational when the Lyme Disease epidemic first erupted there during the Vietnam War period.

PIADC was created in the early 1950s as a military lab, dedicated to studying both defensive and offensive biowarfare. (The latter was fully legal at the time.)

In 1954 Plum Island ostensibly became a "civilian" lab under the US Dept of Agriculture (USDA), charged with studying diseases of farm animals. However, as author Michael Carroll has pointed out in his well-researched book "Lab 257", the lab never stopped working with biowarfare agents (1)

We now know for a fact that many of the microbes studied there were zoonotic (capable of being passed from animals to man), and that the lab maintained a tick colony.

Carroll has amassed a very large amount of circumstantial evidence indicating that the epidemic in Lyme, Ct. may have been the result of a leak from Plum Island.

In addition he has documented the appalling disregard for public safety at Plum island, including the following:

holes in the roof of a lab housing some of the most dangerous pathogens on earth;
couriers, arriving too late to deliver biowarfare agents to their destination, took them home and put them in the kitchen fridge;
basic safety measures dispensed with in order to save money. Plum Island lies in a well-known hurricane corridor (think Hurricane Sandy). In 1991, during a power outage caused by Hurricane Bob, engineers were left desperately scrambling around in the darkness as contaminated sewage welled around them. The pumping system had ground to halt; this was soon followed by the failure of the electrically-controlled airlock doors which seal in airborne organisms. Next the engineers noticed liquid flowing from the freezers containing lethal pathogens - they were defrosting. The men were unable to turn on the back-up generator because it was faulty. The PIADC directorship had been aware of it, but had delayed repair in order to cut costs;
workers employed to manage the incineration of infected animals regularly plucked pieces of roasted carcasses out of the fire and ate them;
open-air tick trials took place on the island (!) It is impossible to contain a tick-borne agent in the open air. Eyewitnesses told Carroll how birds would swoop down to share food from the feeding troughs with infected animals. Migratory birds are capable of transmitting tick-borne diseases worldwide.

Q. Even if Lyme Disease did spread as a result of a biowarfare leak a long time ago, what does it matter now? Surely the priority is to campaign for improved diagnosis and treatment of Lyme Disease. And we can do that without prying into areas which our military considers too sensitive.

A. Sadly, we cannot.

The Lyme-biowarfare issue is not just a question of whether or not a leak or leaks occurred in the past, a long time ago. Borrelia microbes are of ongoing interest to biowarfare scientists around the world. Thus a patent by Dr J.J. Dunn describes an early-warning system to detect a bioweapons attack, based on two "sentinel" organisms - plague and Lyme. (2)

A number of information leaks over the years have revealed that some strains of Lyme borrelia, at least, are studied in Biosafety Level - 4 labs such as Fort Detrick, Maryland and San Antonio, Texas. BSL-4 is reserved only for the most dangerous germs which can be spread by the airborne route.

Because borreliosis is of ongoing interest to bioweapons researchers, we cannot expect transparency from our governments on the key issues of how widespread the infection may be, how it can be detected, what is the correct treatment, etc.. Many of these questions will be shrouded in military secrecy. The goals of the biowarfare establishment are very different, at times, to the goals of public health. Yet the latter is always subservient to the former. Military demands for secrecy have been allowed to take precedence over the lives and health of millions of adults and children worldwide infected with borrelia.
Q. Even if the Lyme-biowarfare link is true, surely by talking about it, we will harm our cause, as the public will think we are crazy?

A. When Michael Carroll published Lab 257 (see q1) alleging that Lyme Disease was an accidental release from Plum Island, (along with West Nile Fever and other diseases), the public did not accuse him of being mentally ill. On the contrary, his book, endorsed by two ex-Governors and Hilary Clinton, became a best-seller. The furore raised by his evidence undoubtedly had a bearing on the US government's subsequent decision to close PIADC. Unfortunately, they plan to move it to another location which is still close to highly populated areas.(3)

Certainly, some of the prominent Denialists will rush to call us crazy. But then they do anyway. They have managed to ensure that nearly every Lyme patient who presents with a fluctuating, multi-symptom picture, in whom diagnosis is lacking and insensitive Lyme antibody tests are negative, is automatically labelled with one or other mental illness (hypochondria, depression, somatoform disorder, "functional" syndromes etc, or, in the case of a child, the parents may be accused of "Munchausens - by-Proxy"...)

This thinking is actually written into medical textbooks and Continuing Medical Education material for physicians. So many of us are already labelled "crazy", regardless of what we do or don't do.

As long as we present the issue in a factual, provable manner, steering clear of wild speculations or references to secret conspiracies of giant lizards/Jews/Martians/zombies etc. clandestinely controlling our armies, we have no reason to fear being labelled insane by the public. (Some of these stories have been circulated by agents of the US Dept. of Homeland Security in order to marginalise and discredit anyone raising the issue of Lyme and biowarfare.)

The public does not consider the veterans complaining of Gulf War Syndrome as crazy (though psychiatrists funded by the military, such as the recently-knighted Simon Wessely, have tried to depict them as such). Neither does it consider the victims of CDC's infamous untreated syphilis study at Tuskegee, or those maimed by Agent Orange in Vietnam, as madmen.

In Britain the families of victims of the so-called "Common Cold Unit" near Porton Down, where unwitting volunteers were clandestinely exposed to nerve gas instead of the cold virus, campaigned for decades, finally achieving an admission of guilt from the Ministry of Defence (see 4) No one views the family of victim Ronald Maddison, for example, as crazy, and their eventual victory in court inspired others to fight for justice. Thanks to the efforts of people who fought, governments have been forced to shut down unethical and dangerous military research programmes.
Q. It's crucial that we get Lyme awareness into the Press. Surely, if we add biowarfare into the mix, this will only scare the media away?

A. The media are never "scared away" by talk of government cover-ups. On the contrary - they love them! Even Andy Abrahams Wilson, producer of the excellent documentary film "Under Our Skin", said in an interview that one of the things which most intrigued him and helped to influence him to make a film about Lyme Disease, was hearing the allegations of a biowarfare cover-up.

Perhaps the best answer to this question is the following quote from the website of Michael Carroll:
" Mr. Carroll has appeared on many television shows discussing his book, including NBC's Today Show (where his book is a Today Show Book Club selection), MS-NBC, and FOX News Channel. Lab 257 hit the New York Times non-fiction bestseller list soon after publication."(5)
Biowarfare scientists use killer diseases like anthrax and plague. Why would they be interested in a disease which sickens but does not kill, like Lyme?

First of all, I take issue with the assertion that Lyme does not kill. More and more data is accumulating indicating the involvement of Borrelia in a long list of diseases which usually or always have a fatal outcome. These include many cancers (6), miscarriage and stillbirths (7), Alzheimer's (8), Multiple Sclerosis(9), ALS (Motor Neurone disease in UK)(10),encephalitis (11), and some episodes of stroke and heart disease.

No one is suggesting that every case of all these conditions is due to Lyme. But the evidence suggests that Borrelia may be involved in some cases of all these conditions. And in some of them, the proportion may be very significant indeed - yet the cover-up of the involvement of Borrelia bacteria prevents any medical progress in eradicating them.
Relapsing Fever Borreliosis is well-known as a killer disease which exacts a horrifying death toll in Africa today, especially amongst children. What we are learning now is that the distinction between Relapsing Fever borreliosis and Lyme Borreliosis may be somewhat artificial. Some Lyme-causing Borrelia are genetically closer to the relapsing fever borreliae than to the Borrelia Burgdorferi sensu lato (Bb sl) group, normally associated with Lyme.(11) The most recent data on Borrelia miyamotoi species suggests we may have to revamp our entire view of Lyme as only ever being caused by bacteria from the Bbsl group.. Borrelia miyamotoi is undetectable on all tests based on the genome of Borrelia burgdorferi.

A second issue relates to those who experience chronic Lyme as a crippling long-term, rather than fatal disease. Military biowarfare scientists have for decades been intensely interested in developing "Non-lethal" weapons. This is because the incapacitation of large numbers of soldiers is a tremendous drain on the resources of an enemy. A dead soldier needs only a burial, or in an emergency may be abandoned; a live but ill soldier needs first aid, transport, skilled medical care, costly technological tests etc... An attack with an incapacitating agent could rapidly overwhelm army medical resources. On a civilian population, a mass-scale attack could cause such severe damage to the economy that a country could collapse without need for a direct military victory. Moreover, a victor army possessing a cure could rapidly reverse the damage, allowing the population to continue running the infrastructure, albeit under new rulers. Such a tactic could even be carried out clandestinely to effect "regime change" ie an epidemic of a non-lethal agent could be blamed on the incompetence of an existing government. The perpetrating army could then have a new leadership of their choosing offer to rescue the population with a "new-found" cure, in return for loyalty.

The effect of incapacitating agents can, for some, be as frightening as lethal ones. The prospect of being disabled and in pain for the rest of your life has a psychological impact. Thus disabling bacteria such as Brucellosis and Q Fever have been a cherished part of bioweaponeers' arsenals for decades.
Leading Lyme physician Dr. Joseph Burrascano has stated that Lyme could not possibly be a bioweapon, as it has recently been found in the corpse of Oetzi the Iceman, thousands of years old. Surely that settles the matter?

Not at all. Dr. Burrascano is a highly respected clinician who has helped countless Lyme Disease sufferers. He is not, however, an expert on biowarfare. The reported finding of Borrelial DNA in the mummified tissues of the Iceman does not in the least prove that Lyme Borreliae have not been weaponised. In the same way, the fact that Bubonic plague terrified populations at least as long ago as the 6th century AD, in no way negates its status as one of the most terrifying modern bioweapons.
You yourself were arrested and an attempt made to permanently commit you to a mental asylum for stating publicly that Lyme Disease is a biowarfare issue. Surely it is too dangerous to speak out about all this, even if it is true?

I was accused of having "delusional disorder" for stating that Lyme disease is a biowarfare issue. I was even told, by the psychiatrist placed in charge of me, that my refusal to accept that present two-tier Lyme blood tests are accurate was a sign of mental illness (!) I have written in detail about what happened to me here. In most of the countries in which we live, there are laws protecting against abuse of human rights, which is what occurred in my case. Because I received the support of others in the Lyme and related chronic illness movement internationally, the authorities were forced to grant me my legal rights to a a second opinion and to appeal to a Mental Health Tribunal. As a result, I was able to prove my sanity and was released.

We all have to make a personal decision about how much risk we are prepared to take. The authorities in a democratic country cannot easily lock up hundreds of people simply for expressing the view that Lyme disease and biowarfare are related. They cannot even do that to ten - if those ten are supported by others in the Lyme community who campaign on their behalf. The whole exercise then becomes highly counter-productive for the government, as it only shines the spotlight of publicity on the very issue they are seeking to cover up.

I understand that people are frightened by my story. But there is no need to take a glass-half-empty approach. The glass is also half full. The moral of my story is not that we should all keep quiet in case we end up locked up as I was. Rather, the moral is that if we stand together, and support anyone who does end up persecuted as a result of speaking out, then we can win in the end. But solidarity is very important.

The influence of mighty insurance corporations and others with financial motives to deny chronic Lyme would, just of itself, pose a Goliath of an enemy. Understanding that in trying to fight for proper diagnosis and effective treatment, we are also up against something even bigger - ie NATO, the most powerful military alliance in the world - there is a temptation to throw up our hands and just give in. But my release from detention shows that even the mighty military-biowarfare establishment is not invincible in situations like this. We can win.

The episode that occurred when the "Under our Skin" film crew arrived at Willy Burgdorfer's house is instructive. A Lyme scientist employed by NIH was sent to prevent them speaking freely with Dr. Burgdorfer. He stated that he would have to accompany them during the interview, and that the order had come from "the highest levels". They were not allowed to discuss persistence (ie the ability of Lyme to maintain a chronic infection).

But the scientist did not want to be there, in that role, and clearly said so! Even while he was stating the purpose for his sudden appearance outside Dr. Burgdorfer's house, he was also expressing regret and explaining that he did not want to be doing the job he had been ordered to do!

Because his heart was not in it, the crew were easily able to elbow him out of the way. They then went into the house to conduct their interview, and in fact persistence was discussed, which as Willy Burgdorfer freely admitted, absolutely does exist.

What is the moral of that story? The biowarfaremen do not have huge battalions of people out there ready to do their every bidding. Certainly, via networks such as the Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) and its European offshoot they are able to exert huge influence over medical awareness of chronic Lyme internationally. But they cannot do everything they want to! The fact that they had to call upon a scientist who was not in agreement with their objective to carry out this attempt to conceal medical truth about Lyme from the public, is a sign of great weakness. They are not invincible. Of course they want us to be afraid. But we do not need to hand them that victory.
Apart from the information in the book "Lab 257", where is the evidence that Lyme Disease is a biowarfare issue?

All over this website (www.elenacook.org)! But particularly at the following URLs:

 http://www.elenacook.org/bwsept06.html

 http://www.elenacook.org/spirowarfare.html

 http://www.elenacook.org/lymebw_accidental_release_info.html
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This page will be regularly updated. Last updated 7 May 2013.

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References

 http://www.michaelchristophercarroll.com/works.htm
 http://www.thehumansideoflyme.net/viewarticle.php?aid=60&PHPSESSID=109a322bd7e9529b2e74c151aface839
 http://www.newsday.com/long-island/towns/officials-groups-mull-plum-island-s-future-1.5172588
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-147910/Inquest-verdict-quashed-Porton-Down-death.html
 http://www.michaelchristophercarroll.com/index.htm
 http://bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/content/111/12/5524.long
 http://www.johndrullelymefund.org/pregnancy_and_lyme_disease.htm
www.alzheimerborreliosis.net
 http://www.esri.com/news/arcwatch/1007/spatial-patterns.html
 http://ticktalkireland.wordpress.com/lyme-links/lyme-als/
 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23323900

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Icon 1 posted 08-30-2014 06:38 PM Profile for lostlyme Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Thank you eightbad legs , I had found your website a few years ago by accident incredible story , I had admired your courage of what you have been through.

I had realized who you were when I saw one of your posts a while back. By your signature.

I don't think a lot of people here on board realized who you are or the real hell you have been through.

You are an amazing person and I hope others know the courage you have .

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Icon 1 posted 08-30-2014 07:36 PM Profile for Marnie Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Elena (aka Lisa),

You said,

"Posting links to imply that someone who has a

different view to you

holds those views

because

they suffer from schizophrenia, prozac,

or indeed neuropsychiatric effects of Lyme Disease is very offensive."

What are the symptoms of "suffering from Prozac"?

What is wrong to link the truth, that Neuroborreliosis

can cause

irrational beliefs?

It is a known symptom:

 http://www.lyme-symptoms.com/3Lyme-Symtoms.html

Conspiracy *theories* evolve when more than one person is involved in a "cover-up".

They often arise because people

need to believe in *event causation*

rather than suffer the insecurity of a random world and universe.

In other words, something/someone CAUSED an event to happen.

Some persons need to believe something/someone CAUSED those persons in the Northeast, in a tight geographical area, to suddenly develop arthritis.

How do we explain the discovery of a cluster of Lyme-arthritis in the Midwest very close to the same time as in the Northeast?

Those who chose to see Lyme disease as a result a "conspiracy" or "cover-up" do so for the following reasons:

"Conspiracy theorists look at science as a

post-modern exercise of power,

instead of

as society’s best-faith effort to find coherent explanations for

*natural observations*."

 http://biologos.org/blog/scientific-conspiracy-theories-a-veneer-for-irrational-beliefs

Natural observations:

When the horrible earthquake and a tsunami occurred off the coast in Japan, in order to try to explain WHY that happened, some persons developed "conspiracy theories" about what they think CAUSED the event i.e., HAARP (which uses extremely low frequencies sent very high up into the ionosphere).

Those persons needed desperately to find a REASON - a CAUSE - for all those deaths and destruction.

The truth is...cover-ups/deceptions happen all the time and is not always intended to harm, but to PROTECT others.

Truth is...there ARE things we should NOT KNOW. There are times when secrecy is very important.

Look at the history of the drug, Bendectin, that was given for the N/V of pregnancy and was pulled off the market because a famous doctor falsified his research.

The doctor did NOT do this (lie) to harm anyone, he did it because he THOUGHT, he BELIEVED, he was PROTECTING women and their fetuses, (but when his cover-up was disclosed, he did lose his license for awhile).

In YOUR OWN blog, you say you were removed from your children and taken to a mental institution for "delusions" specifically tied to your beliefs about Lyme.

YOUR blog is here:

 http://tinyurl.com/35ndeey

But after considerable donations (?) for legal help, the judge declared you did not suffer from delusions.

The judge basically accepted your freedom to believe whatever you want to believe.

You may chose to believe in "evil" doings of some persons/the U.S. government regarding Lyme disease,

I believe in the goodness of persons who world-wide are trying very hard to find out how to accurately diagnose and cure Lyme disease.

My focus is on *finding a cure*. Your focus seems to be on blaming/accusing others (doctors and the U.S government).

We do not share the same GOAL.

In free countries, we are all allowed to have our own beliefs, no matter how "wacky" they may seem to others.

Persons can believe in UFOs, believe that the Sandy Hook incidence was a planned cover-up, etc.


Did you and/or are you currently working for Sigma-Aldrich or its subsidiaries?

If so, while working in a lab (when in the UK?), is that where you may have initially picked up Lyme disease? When...what year?

In the following link, you said,

“British Government Admits Lyme Disease is a

Bioweapon”


 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/05/496013.html

What they did say is this:

“"Through RIPL, RIPD provides

reference diagnostic services

for ***dangerous pathogens*** including viral haemorrhagic fevers, the arbovirus group, hantaviruses, rickettsia and coxiella, anthrax, tularemia and other

***biothreat*** agents.

The Lyme disease specialist unit is scheduled to be a part of RIPD from 1 April 2012. "


So the British government acknowledged

Bb is (1) a dangerous pathogen and

(2)it could be a biothreat (and obviously thus must be handled carefully in labs).

IMO,

Bb was NOT accidentally released and infected persons in the Northeast U.S.


Bb had not been isolated, identified, and named until 1982.

Yet, we KNOW *NOW* Bb has been around for literally MILLIONS OF YEARS.

But the jump to the conclusion that (as a potential bio warfare agent) those researchers working on Plum Island were experimenting with Bb

and Bb was accidentally released into the environment in the Northeast and triggered juvenile arthritis there - when a year later it was found to also be in the Midwest -

just doesn't make sense. IMO, it is illogical.

Repeating for emphasis:

NOW (very recently) we know Bb is a bio THREAT, a POTENTIAL pathogen that COULD be used in bio-warfare and we NOW know, Bb has to be handled very carefully.

Repeating for emphasis:

The government has *repeatedly said*, they were NOT using Bb at Plum Island.

And Carroll said in his book,

"However, ***even if the government denials ARE true,***

these many coincidences are, in my opinion, just too numerous not to be viewed with great suspicion."

(Previously linked.)

His book is based on coincidences and suspicions.

Which makes for fascinating reading!

While you (Elena) chose to use that "pen name" other than your own, you also accuse doctors of hiding THEIR true identity (using false names) on internet posts:

 http://starkravingviking.blogspot.com/2006/08/lisa-masterson-of-uk-victim-of.html

Isn't that "the pot calling the kettle black"?

= A person guilty of the very thing of which they accuse another.

In the following link, "Elena" says:

"Lyme research is ***controlled by the Steere Camp,***

whose members are inextricably linked to the

biological warfare research community

in this country."

 http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-585-update-on-biological-warfare-and-lyme-disease/

A PubMed search for "Lyme" = 10960 abstracts and many reflect

research done OUTSIDE the U.S.

and not under Steere's supposed control.

The "Lyme-arthritis" articles date back to 1976.

Or a PubMed search for "Borrelia Burgdorferi" brings up 8076 abstracts submitted from researchers *around the world* which date back to 1982.


Yes, it IS possible that the spirochetes continue to thrive -> ongoing infection, but...

I believe IT IS *ALSO* POSSIBLE that the 'keets have been destroyed and due to our immune cell "memory", we continue to react to identical self proteins -> autoimmune.

With ongoing very harmful inflammation

either way.

I believe it is the best interest of the Lyme community to focus on accurate diagnosis, and finding effective treatments

rather than expending a lot of energy, time, and money focusing on "conspiracy theoies"/"cover-ups" when it involves a pathogen that has been around for

MILLIONS OF YEARS and has ALWAYS been capable of causing disease - especially in certain gene-type persons.

It is very likely the Iceman's mitochondrial DNA Haplogroup K, didn't do him any "favors".

(Haplogroup K is a human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup).

Finally, your THREAT to me:

" by implying that we are paranoid, mentally ill etc, I will report you to the moderators for breaking the terms and conditions of this forum"

 http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5264&start=20

Did you get LHCTom banned for his "Wacky" comment?

"After I challenged him, McSweegan, who used the name "LHCTom" and "Tom Eames" on internet forums, revealed himself..."

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/05/496013.html?c=on

 http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support-forums/lyme-disease-activism/10727588-for-the-attention-of-dr-mcsweegan-by-elena-cook-uk-activist

 http://www.indymedia.org/en/2013/06/964493.shtml

Oddly...there is a Lisa Masterson who works for a pharm. company that looks to produce the agar for growing pathogens as well as the tetracycline drugs:

 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lisa-masterson/8/ab8/72b

OTC supplements and other upcoming treatments (IV hypericin + yellow laser therapy) pose a threat to the very powerful pharm. industry. Posts: 9101 | From Sunshine State | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-30-2014 07:48 PM Profile for Marnie Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Post Script:


"The mice have a *version of Kras* that can be

turned on by treating them with doxycycline, an antibiotic,

and only develop pancreatic cancer when this occurs."

 http://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/news-releases/2014/researchers-identify-pancreatic-cancer-resistance-mechanism.html

2014


Why is this important?

I knew a Lyme patient who refused to go off Doxy and she did develop pancreatic cancer and subsequently passed while her husband (who also had lyme) out lived her. He took CoQ10 every day.

Google this: pancreatic cancer Zyflamend.

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Icon 1 posted 08-30-2014 10:01 PM Profile for TNT Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Marnie,

Just a simple question: Do you, or have you had lyme disease or any of the known coinfections?

And, does anyone close to you such as a child, spouse, etc. have lyme disease or it's coinfections?

just wondering,
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Icon 1 posted 08-31-2014 12:05 AM Profile for hadlyme Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Yea, Marnie, what is your story? I only see posts of you 'talking' about lyme and company, but not what you feel or what you've been through.

Seems a bit odd? Are you working with a lab? Or other area's of study and using this forum for an experiment of learning? Asking sincerely.

And, have to say, I'm not crazy or need Prozac... and I do agree with Elena. Love all the info, and will have to look up your site sometime. Posts: 887 | From AZ-MT | Registered: Oct 2004 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-31-2014 01:52 AM Profile for Al Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Scientists have succeeded in creating the first organism with “alien” DNA. In normal DNA, which can be found within the genes of every organism , the twin strands of the double helix are bonded together with four bases, known as T, G, A, and C. In this new organism, the researchers added two new bases, X and Y, creating a new form of DNA that (as far as we know) has never occurred after billions of years of evolution on Earth or elsewhere in the universe. Remarkably, the semi-synthetic alien organism continued to reproduce normally, preserving the new alien DNA during reproduction. In the future, this breakthrough should allow for the creation of highly customized organisms — bacteria, animals, humans — that behave in weird and wonderful ways that mundane four-base DNA would never allow.

landmark study, 15 years in the making, was carried out by scientists at the Scripps Research Institute and published in Nature today [doi:10.1038/nature13314 - "A semi-synthetic organism with an expanded genetic alphabet"]. Posts: 785 | From CT, | Registered: Jun 2006 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-31-2014 03:15 PM Profile for VV Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Marnie,

I think you need to put down any fray literature on the subject and just apply some basic logic.

Does anyone in here know how to calculate the probability of the Lyme Connecticut outbreaks in relation to it's proximity to one of the only bio-warfare research facilities testing with TBDs?

Does someone know how to run Bayes' theorem on this subject?

I am willing to bet that the probability of "coincidental" correlation would be miniscule.

Just take a look at a map of the world and realize that the distance between Lyme and Plum Island is nothing more that a pinhead.

The probability of this being merely coincidental must be at most 1:1,000,000 (the total land surface on Earth is about 57,000,000 square miles, if we are generous and say the "Lyme/lab zone" is 15 square miles, then we still have about 1:3,800,000).

Those are pathetic odds for your case Marnie.

Also, proving that the Lyme spirochete had been around prior to the outbreak has absolutely no bearing on the claims being made (modification for bio-warfare purposes).

I find your analysis faulty on a fundamental level and way too confident in the face of the facts at hand. Posts: 843 | From Philadelphia | Registered: Sep 2012 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
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Icon 1 posted 08-31-2014 03:22 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Good evening Marnie,

I am stunned by your post.

In one and the same post, you have done the following:

- repeated the libel that I and all the rest of us here who acknowledge the REALITY of the Lyme coverup are crazy (due to neuroborreliosis or whatever) and paranoid.

And **simultaneously**

-Have told us that the Denialist establishment considers Lyme to be a potential bioweapon (but only very recently have they "discovered" this, according to you

And simultaneously, you have

-defended McSweegan

-defended Steere camp doctors who come here and to other Lyme forums under false names, pretending to be Lyme patients, in order to manipulate the discussion and perpetuate the Denial

-made the most outrageous libellous claims about me

-defended the phony "Tom Eames/Lhctom" -and yes, he was the hateful former NIH Lyme Programme Officer Ed McSweegan, who is also a BIOWARFARE SCIENTIST, just like Baker, chair of ALDF, whom you not only defended before, you actually suggested we should value the opinion of ALDF
(If anyone here does not know who ALDF are they are like Lyme Denial Central -see my earlier quote from Lorraine Johnson

- And all in the same post where you repeat all the libellous nonsense about people who say there is a biowar coverup being mentally ill (Were those who blew out the Agent Orange coverup mentally ill? Were the family of Ronald Maddison in the UK mentally ill for winning their court case against the Ministry of Defense for killing their son who volunteered for so-called "common cold" experiments which turned out to be secret nerve gas?(The Min of Defense here in the UK has now admiited they experimented for decades on hapless volunteers that way - perhaps the Min of Defense is "delusional" about their own actions?"


-And finally , in ONE and the SAME POST -you tell us that sometimes coverups ar for our own good, our own "protection".

God almighty.

You know Marnie, you have been on this group for 13 years. I've not read that many of your posts - Ive read a few. But I never suspected you before. Not even when you poured cold water on Dr MacDonald's work.

Wow.
I never thought I'd live to see the day one of THEM would have a nervous breakdown in public.

Was it something we said?

Elena

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Icon 1 posted 08-31-2014 03:52 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Yes, Marnie, call in the re-inforcements. I think you are going to need a lot of help from your friends now.

You have blown your cover very badly, after 13 years of being very clever.

Thank you.

I have only 10 minutes internet access right now. Let's see what we can do in ten minutes.

Right Marnie.
Question 1 - why did you try to give the people here the impression you knew all about Barclay Moon Newman, and then imply he was areligion writer. If you knew ANYTHING about him, you would know that BM Newman the religion writer and BM Newman who wrote on biowarfare are two completely different men.

I believe you did know that.

The BM Newman whom I quoted from, in his WW2-era book on the japanese biowar programme, devoted an ENTIRE chapter of his book to Japanese wartime research on SPIROCHAETES.

why Marnie?

It's a documented fact that Japan's war criminals of Unit 731 worked with Borrelia (as well as Tick-borne encephalitis and much more)

I think you have known that all along Marnie.

then you tried to discredit Michael Carroll. author of Lab 257, trying to tell people that because Nelson deMille wrote a fiction book about Plum Island, therefore Michl Carroll's work is fiction too.

What utter nonsense.

How pathetic.

is this the best you can do?

No sane person reading Lab 257 could classify it as fiction - even if they disagreed with Carrolls' conclusions.

Pathetic.

Then you show that you know all about Hagan and Erich Traub- my, my, quite the biowarfare scholar, aren't you? Well how is it you "didnt know" such basic, ABC things about biow such as the fact that NON_LETHAL, INCAPACITATING weapons ahve been a major plank of bioweapons research for decades?

Or that the length of time a pathogen existed means snothing (ie plague may be as old as the Iceman, anthrax too).

A novice, who has never studied biowarfare, could be forgiven for not knowing these things.

Someone who knows BM Newman's work, Hagan and Traub;'s careers - no.

You stun me.
Elena

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Icon 1 posted 09-01-2014 12:21 PM Profile for PeterKemp Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote As a confirmed 'conspiracy theorist' here's a little conspiracy theory for my fellow Lymies. When I visit the various groups that I belong to for campaigning for M.E. and Lyme research, I do so in the sure and certain knowledge that they have been infiltrated by those who do not share even the most basic aims of the group. I'm not talking about the natural tension that arises when ill people are trying to get something done to improve their situation, but something more disturbing. Patient groups for Lyme are up-against opposition with plenty of resources and getting into groups is easy. If you are unfamiliar with this, please don't deceive yourself that you could spot this type of activity. They use all sorts of cunning strategies but the net result of their presence is to dampen the spirits of those who come prepared to fight for truth and justice.
For those interested, check out:  http://www.dissembling.org/tag/fake-grassroots/
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Icon 1 posted 09-01-2014 01:09 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Dear "Marnie",

Today I have taken the entire day off work and will lose money, just to draft my responses to you. Why? Because, as the L'Oreal adverts say, you're "worth it".

First, I'd like to thank those here who have supported me.

I come with a "broom", so to speak, with which to sweep away all the weak, ineffectual and fallacious arguments you have made, "Marnie" in your attempt to convince Lyme patients that
a) those of us who acknowledge the reality of the biowarfare coverup are "crazy" (schizophrenic, suffering side effects of Prozac, neuro-Lyme or whatever)

b) That Nature, and not your criminally negligent colleagues, is responsible for the worldwide Lyme epidemic;

c)That there is validity in the theory that in chronic Lyme there are no more living spirochaetes, just "auto-immunity" (long long ago scientifically disproven);

and finally
d) perhaps the most unforgivable lie of all, that your Denialist colleagues are striving night and day to improve the diagnosis and care of Lyme Borreliosis, when the fact is, they have been doing **exactly the opposite**.

I will try and post this in chunks, so as not to overwhelm readers.

And I am not going to waste much time for now, on your disgraceful libellous attack on me personally. You know perfectly well why I use a pen name, Marnie.

You know perfectly well that it is because of your colleagues, Dr. Edward McSweegan and co, who informed me they would arrnage for a "car to come up on the sidewalk" and they would "make a Lacy Peterson" out of me (murder victim.

Additionally, I have the right to protect my loved ones, who have already suffered enough due to the thousands of libellous messages McSweegan and your other colleagues put on the internet about me. They had already suffered colossally from your actions even before the libel.

Moreover, having been a mole on this forum for THIRTEEN YEARS, you cannot fail to have noticed the big message that is always there, right on top of the page, kindly posted by Keebler, warning ALL Lymenetters NOT to use their real names. Precisely because of those who come here to do harm to innocent patients. Such as you.


OK, now to business.

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Icon 1 posted 09-01-2014 01:15 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Falsehood One -

The attempt by "Marnie" to caricature Lab 257 author Michael Carroll as someone ignorant of basic biology, who did not even know that Bb is a bacterium, rather than a virus.

This is absolutely untrue, "Marnie" - and if you have read Lab 257 you know it to be untrue.

Here's what Carroll REALLY wrote in Lab 257 (and if anyone doubts it, they have only to get hold of a copy and have a look):

"And in 1981 Wally burgdorfer, a researcher at the National Institutes of Health, discovered a thin spiral BACTERIUM - in technical terms, a spirochete - immersed in the fluid of a deer tick." (Capitalisation mine).

Granted, Carroll may have spelt Burgdorfer's first name wrongly. That's not a very serious error, "Marnie". That error would not have harmed anyone "Marnie". Not like allowing biocontainment in a maximum-security facility to run down to the point where there are holes in the roof. As your colleagues in the US biowarfare department did.

It is true that Carroll is a lawyer, not a scientist. Have you ever watched a lawyer in a medical case, "Marnie"? I have - day after day after day. They are actually very good at what they do.

A good lawyer is capable of getting hs head around very complex information very rapidly, even on topics where he has no prior knowledge. This is their skill; they acquire it because they have to be able to do so ,every working day of their life.

Of course they will never understand science as a scientist would. But they do learn and absorb information very fast indeed. I was amazed to see how much a lawyer with no scientific or medical background was able to grasp in only four hours.

Michael Carroll did not spend four hours, but SEVEN YEARS researching this, "Marnie".

I don't know if it is you who is deliberately misquoting Carroll to make it seem as though he thought Lyme was a virus, or whether you have simply quoted him out of context, or whether it is a newspaper that has done one or the other. Certainly, there was a massive attempt by the US government to discredit him and his book through the media.

The truth is, Michael Carroll spent seven long years interviewing innumerable scientists, reading innumerable documents, and also took tuition from a microbiologist, who also assisted by checking his manuscript for scientific accuracy before he published.

He clearly says all this in his book, "Marnie". Did you even read his book, before attempting to discredit him?

And if you have read his book, why are you misrepresenting him in such a dishonest manner?

And if you have not read his book, how do you dare to repeat the utter nonsense that Lab 257 is a "fictional novel" like DeMille's?

to be continued....

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Icon 1 posted 09-01-2014 01:32 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Falsehood Two -

The assertion by the mole "Marnie" that the high rates of Lyme in Wisconsin, and its appearance at the dawn of the US epidemic, somehow "proves" that Lyme has ALWAYS been widespread in the USA, and is nothing to do with cackhanded bioweaponeers in the East at Plum Island.

It doesn't.

There is more than one explanation for the outbreaks in Wisconsin, in the sixties and seventies, and their subsequent spread. But let's start with a favourite topic of yours, "Marnie" - birds.

Birds, "Marnie". Remember you told me to "google birds plus antibiotic resistance"?

I did not bother, "Marnie". You know why? I don't believe that birds are responsible for multi-resistant staph aureus etc. I am quite happy to accept the accepted establishment view that this resistance was caused by the over-prescribing of antibiotics for simple viral URTI's like coughs and colds.

To that I would add - the tonnes of abx fed to cattle by greedy meat industry moguls. Not to prevent or eradicate disease, mind you. Just to increase their weight, thereby increasing the meat barons' profits.

Birds don't tend to flutter around hospital wards and nursing homes, "Marnie", which is where the highest concentrations of MRSA patients are to be found. At least not in my experience.

Maybe if the holes in the roofs of the max. biocontainment facilities at Plum Island had been allowed to grow a little larger, birds would have been fluttering around inside their labs.

As it happened, they didn't need to, and I will explain why in a moment.

I would also add that the by-now millions of biotech experiments conducted with antibiotic resistance cassettes like the ampicillin resistance cassette, would IMO have added to the problem.

Not the birds.

But what birds ARE very efficient at, "Marnie", as I am sure you well know, is the transport of Lyme-infected TICKS.

That has been known for decades, not least because of the massive study by the Scandianavian researcher Olson of thousands and thousands of birds.

Some migrating birds may be efficient reservoirs too -ie they may be transporting Borrelia in their bodies and bloodstream.

Now, "Marnie", what has all this to do with Wisconsin and Plum Island? I will tell you.

Eye-witnesses who worked at Plum Island informed Michael Carroll that your colleagues - the biowarfaremen - allowed animals that had been infected with the most dangerous microbes on earth to be housed and fed in OPEN-AIR pens.

In the OPEN AIR, "Marnie"! How colossally stupid was that???!!!

How on earth did they expect to contain lethal germs when they were conducting these experiments in the open air - with ticks, mice and other small mammals, and BIRDS, all around?

Eyewitnesses, "Marnie", told Carroll how they saw birds swoop down into those open-air pens, and start pecking at the animals' feed. Then they would fly away, continuing on their migration.

First stop, the town of Lyme, Connecticut and the nearby islands and surrounding coastal areas.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, "Marnie", this open-air experimentation might have led to local ticks becoming infected, which subsequently attached to birds?

Plum Island was hyper-infested with ticks. When Carroll first went there, he ended up covered in them.

What should we call the Biosafety level of this "open-air" approach that Plum Island biowar scientists chose to take, "Marnie"?

(For the uninitiated: there are numbered levels of biosecurity used in different lab facilities according to the risk posed by the pathogen, its mode of transmission etc..In US, there are four levels, BSL (Biosafety) Levels 1 to 4.

Levels 3 and 4 are for the most dangerous microbes, transmissible by the airborne route.

Level 2 is for germs that may still be dangerous, fatal even, but are more easily contained with standard precautions and PPE (personal protective equipment) .There is no need for special high-tech pressurised airflow systems.

Level 1 is for harmless germs, like the yeast that make your bread rise.

What should we call the open-air pens at Plum Island, "Marnie"? Biosafety level ZERO??

Now if you have read Carroll's book, "Marnie", you could not have failed to notice the beautiful map of the Atlantic flyway, right in the centre of the book.

Look at that bird migration Flyway, "Marnie". Look at that main tributary of it, that runs off towards the Midwest.

Did you fail to notice that Wisconsin is smack in the middle of it?

Even if you missed the map, "Marnie", Carroll explains this amply in his text.

Very recently, Dr. Elena Gomez-Diaz of Spain has published about the seabirds which distribute neurotropic (brain-homing) strains like Borrelia garinii ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Birds, "Marnie". That one, cavalier, criminally stupid action of housing experimentally-infected animals in the OPEN AIR would have been enough to enable birds to spread Lyme around the WORLD, never mind just Wisconsin.

But there wasn't just ONE criminally stupid action, "Marnie", was there? There were many.

To be continued....


Elena Cook

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Icon 1 posted 09-01-2014 01:50 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote FALSEHOOD THREE -

The assertion by "Marnie", that Carroll's book Lab 257 is based on "coincidences and suspicions."

Lab 257 documents holes in the roofs and other defects at the maximum biocontainment labs at Plum Island(!)

What good, "Marnie", is the most high-tech, advanced pressurised airflow system in the world, if maintenance is allowed to be so slack that the lab has holes in the roof?

For Chrissake, "Marnie"... Such colossal negligence, yet you say that leaks of dangerous pathogens would be "coincidence".

I say:
They would be an inevitability.

But open-air animal pens and holes in the roof were not all, "Marnie", were they?

What about the Plum Island couriers who, arriving too late at the ferry dock, left their packages, containing the most dangerous pathogens on earth, leaning against the office door?

You know, "Marnie", if I order a delivery from my local supermarket, I worry if I am held up and can't make it home in time for my delivery.

I worry that the delivery man will leave it leaning against my door. Then my groceries might get ruined by the rain. I also worry that an animal like a dog or a fox will get into the packaging, or that someone will steal my stuff.

Plum Island management, it seems, worry about NOTHING.

"Marnie", I worry more about my flaming packet of frozen broccoli than your biowar colleagues did, about the most dangerous pathogens on earth!!

Did they worry that the wind and rain would batter the packages and open them?

Did they worry that an animal might break them open?

Did they worry that a terrorist or an agent of a foreign government hostile to the US might walk off with it?

Apparently not.

Plum Island biowarfare scientists were invincible, "Marnie", weren't they? They worried about NOTHING.

And what of the couriers who, having missed the ferry, did not lean the packages against the door, but took them home instead, placing them in their kitchen fridge?

We can picture the scenario:

"Mum, Where's my ham sandwich? I'm late for school?"

"In the fridge, darling. Just above the Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis, behind the Plague, right next to the Smallpox."

It would be comical, "Marnie", if it were not so damned tragic.

To be continued.....

Elena Cook

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Icon 1 posted 09-01-2014 02:02 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote FALSEHOOD THREE - Continued

What about the lies your colleagues told to Congress about the flow of bioweapon traffic overland?

Remember, the reason Plum Island was chosen in the first place was because the pathogens were deemed too dangerous to risk transporting over the continental United States.

An offshore island seemed safer.

Clever people realised that a simple roadside spill or car-jacking could prove disastrous. they lobbied Congress, and Congress brought the ban into law.

But then your biowar collegaues, mole "Marnie", stepped in, didn't they? In 1958 they tricked Congress into relaxing the legislation.

They told Congress that a few vials might need to be shipped overland "once or twice a year".

Note, "Marnie", not "suspicions" and "co-incidences", but documented FACT.

All documented in Carroll's book and undoubtedly, in the congressional records.

So what happened? They did not transport a few vials once or twice a year. As Carroll points out, they transported "huge crates" over "congested Long Island roads multiple times **each day**." (Carroll's italics.)

What about the men who worked the incinerator, "Marnie", where infected animal carcasses were to be cremated?

They pulled animal parts out of the fire and ate them. Yes, really!!!

Did they think they were at a barbecue?

Where was management?

So many incredible infringements of biosecurity (all corroborated in Carroll's book by eye-witness accounts, and/or documentation) - and there is SO MUCH MORE - yet you, "Marnie" , maintain that a disease outbreak around the lab could only be a "coincidence" or a mere "suspicion".

To be continued....
Elena Cook

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Icon 1 posted 09-01-2014 02:08 PM Profile for Eight Legs Bad Author's Homepage Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Falsehood THREE - Continued

"Marnie", there were so many violations of biosecurity that if I list them all it might overtax LymeNet's bandwidth. I'm not going to. The Office of the Inspector General documented many of the violations. Not "suspicions". Not "coincidences". Facts.

But by then it was too late, "Marnie", wasn't it?

"Marnie", I know five-year old children who practise better "biocontainment" of a paper tissue after blowing their nose, than your military and USDA biowar colleagues did, handling the MOST DANGEROUS GERMS ON EARTH!!!!

Now we see that that long tradition of negligence continues. Your CDC friends have just missed accidentally unleashing anthrax all over your country!!!!

And their counterparts here in Britain have been no less criminally negligent, frankly.

To be continued....
Elena Cook

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