Separate Church and State in Israel or Expect More Radical Zionism in the U.S.
Will Kelly | 05.10.2008 23:05 | Social Struggles | World
We, as a nation, can no longer espouse any other position as fair but to advocate for the separation of Church and State in “all” the Middle East—including and especially in Israel and Palestine. Condemning Arab states as backward while ignoring Israel’s own demand for the continuance of a de facto theocratic kingdom based on discrimination is high hypocrisy. And the world can no longer afford this outdated baggage and demeanor.
Separate Church and State in Israel or Expect More Radical Zionism in the U.S.
By Will Kelly
Recently, September 2008, Yonat Shimron of McClatchy Newspapers reported that Gregory Ross, spokesperson for Clarion Fund, a New York non-profit is paying newspapers distributed a DVD called "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" by Raphael Shore, a Canadian who lives in Israel. The film, home-delivered in 70 newspapers across the country, depicts extreme Islamism as a kind of Nazism. Gregory Ross is quoted to say: "There is no greater threat than radical Islam".
Funny this “war against the West” that so many Jews need to educate us?
"Radical Islamism" and "Islamofascism" are phrases neocon-o-fascists like William Kristol (one of the founders for Project for the New American Century), freely bandy about in American newspapers as if goyim America, in general, was too dense to not detect the self-serving, Israeli first propaganda, as they have thence been equally willing to gamble off America’s true national security interests. And for what—for a delusional psychiatric basket case of a country that can’t get along with many other countries and so continually acts like an autistic child—and a child mind you that cannot fathom the idea of ever growing up because it is so in love with its delusion of belonging to a “special” case of Cosmic origin and destiny that has went through many challenges?
The Israeli Zionism movement, or more pointedly to use NeoCon Artist reverse psychology semantics, "radical Zionofascism" is as likely the biggest threat to the our national security and freedom here in the states. Because if one examines the relationship America has had with Israel it is clear that it has been detrimental to our interests, and it has seriously weakened our ability to get along peacefully with too much of the rest of the world—not to mention the bankruptcy for our tax-payer treasury that still manages to continuously spigot resource their way irrespective of their ingrate attitudes (and to forgive all debts to their presumed bathic “exceptionalism”).
Nor should we forget to mention that Israel's attitude toward the U.S., and to much of the rest of the world, has often been "… give us, give us, while we take, take, take, and then we can act out a "flake off America" attitude to any legitimate concerns if right-wing “rogues” in Israel do not happen to like them.
Granted that most Jewish Americans here in the U.S. are liberal, and do not approve of many of these right-wing and blackmail tactics, still the minority that do carry much power are willing to do us damage, while leftist passivity as unwillingness to challenge their ethnocentric mindset, has cost this culture too dire much.
One would think that this Yom Kippur season there would be some apologies extended not just to John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, who dared print their Israel Lobby report knowing the flak they would get, but also to former President Jimmy Carter who at least showed courage in the face of the silent intransigence of their “Jewish Only” mindset in Israel as well as here in the United States.
Americans do not need more reminders via seemingly smug editorial page commentaries from Rabbis across the country about how much America has been psychologically tied to, and affected by, Judeo-Christianity over the centuries. We are well aware. Nor do we need more subtle guilt-tripping reminders of the historical litany of Egyptian, Babylonian and Roman oppression, or European ghettos and Nazi Holocaust, etc., intermingled with the “longing for the ancestral peoplehood that heard the ram’s horn”.
Maybe instead it is time for Judeo-Christianity in general to recognize the slavery of religious mind control that many cultures have suffered in general over the centuries?
However what is particularly noteworthy is the “psychology” of the ancient roots of their religion that honors “authoritarianism” because the Old Testament is based precisely on the same mentality.
Equally, the fact still remains, that the people who claimed to have been Jews, or the chosen people, were historically “outsiders” to the land of Canaan, and therefore they have historically tried to chase off or fight off the inhabitants that lived there prior.
Abraham was an outsider from a city-state called Ur which would now be close to Baghdad Iraq—but there is no world Jewry demanding land in Iraq to honor their swarthy (non Caucasian) roots? Yet with imagination Abraham found ‘his’ vision that he “claimed” God gave ‘his’ people a new land elsewhere out East (but we are suppose to believe it because it was written in an ancient book?). Still the land of Canaan was “already” preoccupied even back then.
Years later according to their religious propaganda, again Moses, a tyrant personality at times to be sure, conceived of another series of delusions about a tyrannical God that commanded, as felt necessary, the killing off the current Semites (no anti-Semitism here?) of Canaan and surrounding peoples for those he supposedly left from Egypt—traveling 40 years in a land that a camel caravan could transverse in two weeks. Yes this particular conception of a high God who was willing to kill off the Hittites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Hivites, etc., for who—outsiders who were still claiming some “just” God gave them special privilege to walk over other people and bury them in their path.
And on and on it goes to this very day—while Israel pretends a sheep’s garments of democracy—but only if you happen to be Jewish—otherwise this culture can will utilize the tyrant’s tools of discrimination, disenfranchisement, oppression, imprisonment and death.
Jonathan Kirsch in his scholarly, controversial, and skeptical work: “Moses: A Life” wrote: “The very notion of a god who insisted that he was the one and only, a god who demanded holy war against his enemies, is something that began with Moses.” Mr. Jonathan Kirsch, who also wrote the best-selling “The Harlot by the Side of the Road” makes clear with profound research and excellence in style that Moses was but a phantom in later chroniclers imagination—a fairy tale at best.
Therefore the people of the United States SHOULD NOT support any conception of a tilt toward fascism state of Israel as it still acts today. To support the Israeli theocracy goes against our principles of equality and religious freedom. Why would any free thinking person support an idea of a God who, via the delusional interpretations of Moses, etc., who acted so heavily handed and tyrannical—especially to a people who were supposedly not even appreciative or cooperative to that conception of a patronizing and peevish leader?
9-11 has become a very convenient epic event that too much simulates a false flag operation meant to motivate, through fear, another 100 years of Crusades war in which Christian countries are motivated to go to war with Muslim and Arab countries. The fact is that Saddam Hussein sided with the Palestinians, as does the current leaders of Iran today. Yet we are seldom free to ask if the Palestinians have legitimate concerns and representations in Government and the Main Stream Media.
How extremely cynical that right-wing Jews and Christians would seemingly manipulate Christian fear and hatred of Muslims, given the reality that most all Jews living today are aware—that during the Middle Ages Christian soldiers acted out atrocities against Jews and other Semites like the Mohammedans? So why is it now OK for Christians and Muslims to kill each other—because Israel cannot get along with enough of its neighbors? And why would that be—anything to do with their policies?
Enough Jews in America are not particularly respecting of Christians intelligence levels or political savvy, and certainly are not respecting of their motives—yet some small but influential group still is willing to manipulate anti-Semitic prejudice against Muslims for the Zionist cause. Nor have the NeoCons been beyond using propaganda tactics similar to those used by the Nazis against the Jews. And more importantly their willingness to sacrifice the slow but steady erosion of civil rights and freedoms here like what equally happened in Germany in the 30s.
So is America suppose embrace the idea of becoming more like Israel? Should we be glad that we get to inherit an enemy “watch” list that is a reflective of Israel’s’ enemies? Should we welcome a need to build fences around our country and have checkpoints throughout to harass, or spy on more and more American citizens, or lock up Muslims on mere suspicions, or espouse the need to torture people, or use more high tech spying equipment so Israelis can have a new cottage industry selling such to the United States, etc.? And most importantly chip away civil liberties and ideas about the Constitution?
If this is such a fair deal then where are the Jewish Americans joining the socioeconomic disadvantaged rural white boys that cannot find jobs in the small town USA, or the suburbanites who don’t fit into a higher education role, when it comes to fighting these wars that the Israeli lobby has played a major part in manipulating our country into? Or is this just a part of their “superiority” card that some feel they can manipulate naïve goyim to do the bidding on false pretense?
The U.S. State Department should not be arguing whether we ought to bomb Iran on circulated rumors, or whether our Pentagon ought to backup Israelis bombing. Rather we ought to contemplating having Israel give up its nuclear armaments if Israel continues to insist on bombing others. Why should there be support for what amounts to as a country that can’t respect the lives of the Palestinians as “equals”?
The United States in founded on the idea of equality. Our founders were especially concerned about the corrupting notions of power. They were also once concerned about the essential characteristics of aggressiveness and the endless tendency to expand beyond legitimate boundaries. Our founders and talking heads understood there was a difference between a sphere of power that was brutal and heedless and a sphere of liberty that was sensitive to awareness greater that national egocentricity.
Recently the New York Times reported that the Ehud Olmert said the Israel must withdraw from nearly all of the West Bank as well as East Jerusalem as a supposedly radical gesture as the “talk” frequently comes from both sides the mouth. Well that isn’t enough anymore—especially since 9-11.
We, as a nation, can no longer espouse any other position as fair but to advocate for the separation of Church and State in “all” the Middle East—including and especially in Israel and Palestine. Condemning Arab states as backward while ignoring Israel’s own demand for the continuance of a de facto theocratic kingdom based on discrimination is high hypocrisy. And the world can no longer afford this outdated baggage and demeanor.
There is another way to honor the slogan: “Never Again will we be persecuted in a foreign land” and that simply is to honor tradition and culture without clinging to rigid ideas of a promised land that cannot be shared with others. The fact is that traditional religions are myth. They need not constantly spill into psychiatric problems. If you people are so smart as you think then Deal with it!
So regardless of all the discrimination and persecution, killing and injustice that Jews have suffered throughout the world over the many seasons—two wrongs or a hundred wrongs does not make a right.
Furthermore we in the United States of America are NOT responsible for all the past discrimination to your people elsewhere—at different times in history. Yes we can be aware and sensitive to man’s injustice and prejudice—but neither are you people exempt from our awareness and criticality. So don’t try to guilt trip us in supporting your idea of religious righteousness. We are “not” joining your pity party that will never justify itself anyway on what ultimately amounts to delusional psychology.
To imagine the NeoCon men in the MSM are willing to prostrate themselves further for the likes of McCain and Palin simply because these mediocre minds are willing to fall in line with whatever Israel wants—despite their naiveté else wise is just one more example of main stream media not really caring that much about main street America.
If you continue to expect support for your discrimination you need to look outside the United States—we are not going down with you. Our American Revolution is still on the upswing. Maybe it is time for some real conscious raising rather than platitudes?
By Will Kelly
Recently, September 2008, Yonat Shimron of McClatchy Newspapers reported that Gregory Ross, spokesperson for Clarion Fund, a New York non-profit is paying newspapers distributed a DVD called "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" by Raphael Shore, a Canadian who lives in Israel. The film, home-delivered in 70 newspapers across the country, depicts extreme Islamism as a kind of Nazism. Gregory Ross is quoted to say: "There is no greater threat than radical Islam".
Funny this “war against the West” that so many Jews need to educate us?
"Radical Islamism" and "Islamofascism" are phrases neocon-o-fascists like William Kristol (one of the founders for Project for the New American Century), freely bandy about in American newspapers as if goyim America, in general, was too dense to not detect the self-serving, Israeli first propaganda, as they have thence been equally willing to gamble off America’s true national security interests. And for what—for a delusional psychiatric basket case of a country that can’t get along with many other countries and so continually acts like an autistic child—and a child mind you that cannot fathom the idea of ever growing up because it is so in love with its delusion of belonging to a “special” case of Cosmic origin and destiny that has went through many challenges?
The Israeli Zionism movement, or more pointedly to use NeoCon Artist reverse psychology semantics, "radical Zionofascism" is as likely the biggest threat to the our national security and freedom here in the states. Because if one examines the relationship America has had with Israel it is clear that it has been detrimental to our interests, and it has seriously weakened our ability to get along peacefully with too much of the rest of the world—not to mention the bankruptcy for our tax-payer treasury that still manages to continuously spigot resource their way irrespective of their ingrate attitudes (and to forgive all debts to their presumed bathic “exceptionalism”).
Nor should we forget to mention that Israel's attitude toward the U.S., and to much of the rest of the world, has often been "… give us, give us, while we take, take, take, and then we can act out a "flake off America" attitude to any legitimate concerns if right-wing “rogues” in Israel do not happen to like them.
Granted that most Jewish Americans here in the U.S. are liberal, and do not approve of many of these right-wing and blackmail tactics, still the minority that do carry much power are willing to do us damage, while leftist passivity as unwillingness to challenge their ethnocentric mindset, has cost this culture too dire much.
One would think that this Yom Kippur season there would be some apologies extended not just to John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, who dared print their Israel Lobby report knowing the flak they would get, but also to former President Jimmy Carter who at least showed courage in the face of the silent intransigence of their “Jewish Only” mindset in Israel as well as here in the United States.
Americans do not need more reminders via seemingly smug editorial page commentaries from Rabbis across the country about how much America has been psychologically tied to, and affected by, Judeo-Christianity over the centuries. We are well aware. Nor do we need more subtle guilt-tripping reminders of the historical litany of Egyptian, Babylonian and Roman oppression, or European ghettos and Nazi Holocaust, etc., intermingled with the “longing for the ancestral peoplehood that heard the ram’s horn”.
Maybe instead it is time for Judeo-Christianity in general to recognize the slavery of religious mind control that many cultures have suffered in general over the centuries?
However what is particularly noteworthy is the “psychology” of the ancient roots of their religion that honors “authoritarianism” because the Old Testament is based precisely on the same mentality.
Equally, the fact still remains, that the people who claimed to have been Jews, or the chosen people, were historically “outsiders” to the land of Canaan, and therefore they have historically tried to chase off or fight off the inhabitants that lived there prior.
Abraham was an outsider from a city-state called Ur which would now be close to Baghdad Iraq—but there is no world Jewry demanding land in Iraq to honor their swarthy (non Caucasian) roots? Yet with imagination Abraham found ‘his’ vision that he “claimed” God gave ‘his’ people a new land elsewhere out East (but we are suppose to believe it because it was written in an ancient book?). Still the land of Canaan was “already” preoccupied even back then.
Years later according to their religious propaganda, again Moses, a tyrant personality at times to be sure, conceived of another series of delusions about a tyrannical God that commanded, as felt necessary, the killing off the current Semites (no anti-Semitism here?) of Canaan and surrounding peoples for those he supposedly left from Egypt—traveling 40 years in a land that a camel caravan could transverse in two weeks. Yes this particular conception of a high God who was willing to kill off the Hittites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Hivites, etc., for who—outsiders who were still claiming some “just” God gave them special privilege to walk over other people and bury them in their path.
And on and on it goes to this very day—while Israel pretends a sheep’s garments of democracy—but only if you happen to be Jewish—otherwise this culture can will utilize the tyrant’s tools of discrimination, disenfranchisement, oppression, imprisonment and death.
Jonathan Kirsch in his scholarly, controversial, and skeptical work: “Moses: A Life” wrote: “The very notion of a god who insisted that he was the one and only, a god who demanded holy war against his enemies, is something that began with Moses.” Mr. Jonathan Kirsch, who also wrote the best-selling “The Harlot by the Side of the Road” makes clear with profound research and excellence in style that Moses was but a phantom in later chroniclers imagination—a fairy tale at best.
Therefore the people of the United States SHOULD NOT support any conception of a tilt toward fascism state of Israel as it still acts today. To support the Israeli theocracy goes against our principles of equality and religious freedom. Why would any free thinking person support an idea of a God who, via the delusional interpretations of Moses, etc., who acted so heavily handed and tyrannical—especially to a people who were supposedly not even appreciative or cooperative to that conception of a patronizing and peevish leader?
9-11 has become a very convenient epic event that too much simulates a false flag operation meant to motivate, through fear, another 100 years of Crusades war in which Christian countries are motivated to go to war with Muslim and Arab countries. The fact is that Saddam Hussein sided with the Palestinians, as does the current leaders of Iran today. Yet we are seldom free to ask if the Palestinians have legitimate concerns and representations in Government and the Main Stream Media.
How extremely cynical that right-wing Jews and Christians would seemingly manipulate Christian fear and hatred of Muslims, given the reality that most all Jews living today are aware—that during the Middle Ages Christian soldiers acted out atrocities against Jews and other Semites like the Mohammedans? So why is it now OK for Christians and Muslims to kill each other—because Israel cannot get along with enough of its neighbors? And why would that be—anything to do with their policies?
Enough Jews in America are not particularly respecting of Christians intelligence levels or political savvy, and certainly are not respecting of their motives—yet some small but influential group still is willing to manipulate anti-Semitic prejudice against Muslims for the Zionist cause. Nor have the NeoCons been beyond using propaganda tactics similar to those used by the Nazis against the Jews. And more importantly their willingness to sacrifice the slow but steady erosion of civil rights and freedoms here like what equally happened in Germany in the 30s.
So is America suppose embrace the idea of becoming more like Israel? Should we be glad that we get to inherit an enemy “watch” list that is a reflective of Israel’s’ enemies? Should we welcome a need to build fences around our country and have checkpoints throughout to harass, or spy on more and more American citizens, or lock up Muslims on mere suspicions, or espouse the need to torture people, or use more high tech spying equipment so Israelis can have a new cottage industry selling such to the United States, etc.? And most importantly chip away civil liberties and ideas about the Constitution?
If this is such a fair deal then where are the Jewish Americans joining the socioeconomic disadvantaged rural white boys that cannot find jobs in the small town USA, or the suburbanites who don’t fit into a higher education role, when it comes to fighting these wars that the Israeli lobby has played a major part in manipulating our country into? Or is this just a part of their “superiority” card that some feel they can manipulate naïve goyim to do the bidding on false pretense?
The U.S. State Department should not be arguing whether we ought to bomb Iran on circulated rumors, or whether our Pentagon ought to backup Israelis bombing. Rather we ought to contemplating having Israel give up its nuclear armaments if Israel continues to insist on bombing others. Why should there be support for what amounts to as a country that can’t respect the lives of the Palestinians as “equals”?
The United States in founded on the idea of equality. Our founders were especially concerned about the corrupting notions of power. They were also once concerned about the essential characteristics of aggressiveness and the endless tendency to expand beyond legitimate boundaries. Our founders and talking heads understood there was a difference between a sphere of power that was brutal and heedless and a sphere of liberty that was sensitive to awareness greater that national egocentricity.
Recently the New York Times reported that the Ehud Olmert said the Israel must withdraw from nearly all of the West Bank as well as East Jerusalem as a supposedly radical gesture as the “talk” frequently comes from both sides the mouth. Well that isn’t enough anymore—especially since 9-11.
We, as a nation, can no longer espouse any other position as fair but to advocate for the separation of Church and State in “all” the Middle East—including and especially in Israel and Palestine. Condemning Arab states as backward while ignoring Israel’s own demand for the continuance of a de facto theocratic kingdom based on discrimination is high hypocrisy. And the world can no longer afford this outdated baggage and demeanor.
There is another way to honor the slogan: “Never Again will we be persecuted in a foreign land” and that simply is to honor tradition and culture without clinging to rigid ideas of a promised land that cannot be shared with others. The fact is that traditional religions are myth. They need not constantly spill into psychiatric problems. If you people are so smart as you think then Deal with it!
So regardless of all the discrimination and persecution, killing and injustice that Jews have suffered throughout the world over the many seasons—two wrongs or a hundred wrongs does not make a right.
Furthermore we in the United States of America are NOT responsible for all the past discrimination to your people elsewhere—at different times in history. Yes we can be aware and sensitive to man’s injustice and prejudice—but neither are you people exempt from our awareness and criticality. So don’t try to guilt trip us in supporting your idea of religious righteousness. We are “not” joining your pity party that will never justify itself anyway on what ultimately amounts to delusional psychology.
To imagine the NeoCon men in the MSM are willing to prostrate themselves further for the likes of McCain and Palin simply because these mediocre minds are willing to fall in line with whatever Israel wants—despite their naiveté else wise is just one more example of main stream media not really caring that much about main street America.
If you continue to expect support for your discrimination you need to look outside the United States—we are not going down with you. Our American Revolution is still on the upswing. Maybe it is time for some real conscious raising rather than platitudes?
Will Kelly
