Oxford Indymedia reply and counter point
Tony Ryals | 02.11.2005 06:30 | Indymedia
As you can see from these guidelines, your 28-year-old article violates at least two of them. It is "non-news" and "not Oxford-relevant". Please respect in future that this is a local news site, not a blog or a discussion forum.
- Richard Hering
- Richard Hering
Below is my personal communication with Richard Hering of oxford.indymedia for the public record.
However,first I would like to point out that if you do a Google search of 'oxford indymedia'you will see that the U.S. and other indymedias really can't be bothered with a silly power trip of,'i'm an indymedia editor so I am going to delete this message this person wanted to communicate however valid or not because I don't know what he's talikg about but I'm gonna do do it cause i'm an editor, etc.'....You will also see,I am pleased to note,that a British group, perhaps involved with education,I forget,as well as a group that collects material off of the internet that is Vatican related picked up on my post,'Does oxford.indymedia censor religious criticism and science history ?'.
I believe this is good and whatever might stimulate others to think about an issue is good.So I feel that even in deleting my message you did something positive.You stimulated me to defend my reasoning for posting a '28 year old issue'and I did,in my defense,add details the original article did not contain.Thank you.
Well there is actually one Indymedia editor by the alias 'nessie',I believe,in SF.I don't know for sure but his power trip may be one reason why indymedia SF split in two with indybay,in my opinion,being the least pretentious and thus most democratic.And I'm biased,but I believe,the better of the two.The 'nessie' alias did,in the end,drive me from sf.indymedia and more to posting on indybay and eventually all around the U.S..You can find our confrontation on a google of 'nessie tony ryals pope schwab lom'or those general terms on both sf.indymedia and on urbana champaign indymedia.It was rather humorous, actually.
I particularly like utah.indymedia sort of because it's quiet,not a lot of posting and turn over,and also because one of the centers of my criticisms is their Senator Bob Bennett and Patrick Byrne of Overstock.com of Utah.But I like nc.indymedia,baltimore.indymedia,richmond and charlottesville and urbana champaign and others.I am not sure I could be so truthful in Great Britain as I am on the U.S. indymedias, however.
For instance,the Bristol indymedia removed my post,'Is James Dale Davidson Using GB?',that mentions your Lord Rees-Mogg in passing.And again I don't blame them,I am unfamiliar with the nuances of British law and free speech,or lack thereof.And my heart goes out to them for the harrassment they endured and the server that was confiscated.
My only suggestion is don't keep 'a stiff upper lip' for too long,you'll become just like your parents.
Oxford Indymedia reply and counter point :
Original Message ----- From: "richard hering" To: endoscam (at) lycos.com Subject: Re: your posts Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:53:34 +0000 (GMT)
Dear Mr Ryals
I am surprised you do not already know why your articles are begin hidden from oxford indymedia, as a cursory inspection of the editorial guidelines would give you a clear explanation:
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/static/editorial.html
As you can see from these guidelines, your 28-year-old article violates at least two of them. It is "non-news" and "not Oxford-relevant". Please respect in future that this is a local news site, not a blog or a discussion forum.
Richard Hering (member of ox-imc editorial collective)
Dear Richard Herring,
Thanks for your kind reply.I myself was pleased when another post immediately following mine was deleted regarding indymedia London promoting or condoning rascism. Why ? Because it was obviously a false organization and no references to the supposed rascist material were cited.
As to the age of my original article,well,you know,personally,I would consider relevence to age.If for instance someone came across a work of Charles Darwin and decided to publish it I would hope indymedia.oxford would not remove it.Not that I claim to be a thinker of that quality.On the other hand any thinker,rather than say a bad editor,who wanted to take time to understand the relevance or lack thereof of my decades old writing could do so,as well as verify that it had never been written before and was not plagiarized.
A simple Google search,'pope misconceptions conception phosphates four elements mining earth orbit 'would quickly lead you to the fact I wrote it and it is unique in terms of science and western history.I didn't bother in the additional letter to add it was the Moslems to whom the church and Saint Thomas Aquinas owed the works of Aristotle that they translated from Greek to Latin,but that is a further historic fact.
(AT SOME POINT AFTER I PUT IT ON AN ANGELFIRE WEBSITE IN 2001,ALONG WITH POLITICAL RHYMES CRITICAL OF BUSH() AMONG OTHER THINGS,ANGELFIRE DISAPPEARED IT FROM SEARCH ENGINES SOMEHOW SO ONLY RECENTLY I BEGAN POSTING IT ON INDYMEDIAS AROUND THE U.S..DO YOU REALLY THINK THE OTHER INDYMEDIAS IN THE U.S. ARE BEING DUPED SOMEHOW FOR ALLOWING ME FREE SPEECH TO POST A CURRENTLY RELEVENT ESSAY TO THEIR LOCAL REGION AS IT IS TO THE WORLD !?)
As to local relevance it certainly appears you have Christian and Catholic churches there in Oxford.I would even go so far as to think you probably have free thinkers with an interest in science and history.And again you did not remove the threats of litigation,etc.made by the Archbishop. Why not ? Oh it's local and this school that's older than my article by far(1920's ?),has relavance, whereas science history pertaining to that church does not ! ?
Do you consider what Archbishop Nichols or his lawyer had to say more relevant to Oxford than your dependence upon outside sources of phosphates that,like water and oil,may also lead to war,much less the impacts of strip mining ? Oh I'm pretty wild in my claims aren't I ? Of course that has nothing whatsoever to do with Oxford.Ha.I would be careful to take any birth control advise from your archbishop however.
You should realise that some things that are universal in the world DO have local relevance.I bet you even have gravity over there.In fact it was your Isaac Newton who first made an attempt to define what many had felt but had no words to describe before him.And again Johanes Kepler might have gotten more credit for defining gravity before Mr.Newton did but that's another story.Yet if a science journalist wrote an article about either of them today I would probably read it and not curse the writer for writiing about an aspect of science and men who contributed to it centuries ago,would you ?
I could have removed the date from the Daily Californian article had I known that was so important to you and changed Pope John Paul II to Pope Benedict and you would not have known the difference.But I wrote it and am proud of it and even more so that it grows more relevant everyday,yet saddened as well.And just as Newton's and Kepler's and Einstein's,etc., gravity has relevance to people around the world today leading even to local articles being written on the subject,so too do phosphates.
Although Oxford has no phosphates to my knowledge it probably has some agriculture that imports it from Florida or Morroco for instance.And just like in China or India or Poland or Canada or the U.S. or Central America or London for that matter,and just like the pope,you and they will each consume in your food and excrete about a pound and a half or over half a kilo from your body each time the earth goes around the sun,(remember what Galileo got into trouble for?).So tell me the size of Oxford's population and I'll tell you approximately how many pounds or kilos of phosphates you all excrete and pollute into your local bodies of water each year or for each earth orbit.And I can only do that because of chemistry discoveries of people like Justus Von Liebig that dates back to the early 19th century.Is that to you irrelevant !?
So my writing has plenty of relevance to you and there are more people on the planet by far than '28 years ago' so what I wrote then is only more relevant now.Why don't you tell me phosphate being strip mined in Florida or Morroco has no relevance to Oxford ? CAN YOU DO THAT ? Not without lying to me or yourself.
Also besides removing the ridiculous whining of your Archbishop you might have removed an ad-article promoting a 'newspaper' cafe.I'm sure you have a rule you can find to justify that.But you know what?,if it were me I would not remove it and I thank you for not hastling the people with their small local restaurant.It sounds like a good ambiant and I wish them well and hope some local oxford.indymedia folks check it out.
Finally I did repost my letter to you and the people of Oxford,with corresponding link to my essay,elsewhere on indymedia including in Australia.Just as I previously posted 'Is James Dale Davidson using New Zealand?'there as well. Davidson is,like Clinton,an Oxford graduate and penny stock fraud and founder of Washington,D.C.'s far right National Taxpayers Union.In the letter to Oxford you removed you may remember I mentioned him and the Lord Rees-Mogg in passing and the removal of my British version,'Is James Dale Davidson using GB ?',from Bristol indymedia. Well,anyway,as fascist as America has become in the last few years and with increasing intimidations and threats to free speech,at least indymedia in the U.S. seems so far braver than England.And my kudos to Australia and New Zealand so far as well.
I believe both Davidson and the Lord Rees-Mogg realise that if they try to intimidate indymedias outside the U.S.for my exposing Davidson to the light it will make news in the U.S..So,no problem,indymedias in the U.S SEEM TO LIKE ME.Check out utah.indymedia and search 'ryals' as one example.What I am saying on U.S.indymedias is much more controversial,yet true,than what I have said here.
Do a 'schwab lom' google search or 'attorney o'quinn stock fraud money laundering' and you'll see that I long for the good old days when an article about the pope was the most controversial thing I did.Or try Google search,'utah senator bennett striptease'.I just hope Google doesn't become a censor next which,as you can see from a Google search 'schwab lom', I suspected in late 2004.
Also Richard,would you mind if I sent you what I wish to say about Davidson and the Lord Rees-Mogg that you or someone there might give me feedback on what I can and can't say in England or oxford.indymedia that will avoid any threats or intimidations from them ? Or do you think an article essay or editorial related to Oxford's James Dale Davidson,Bill Clinton and England's Lard Rees-Mogg is not relevant to Oxford news?
Oh,ignore that my reply will say 'william knowles',I assure you I am Tony Ryals.A google search,'yahoo mafia ncans james dale davidson'should take you to the relevant indymedia and news.com posts that will explain how the 'ncans mafia',as I call them,have had my original email accounts removed more times than I can count for confronting them on Yahoo's NFI and OSTK message boards as well as www.ragingbull.com.You can also read the threats to my life.I don't really care though.
Sincerely,
Tony Ryals
However,first I would like to point out that if you do a Google search of 'oxford indymedia'you will see that the U.S. and other indymedias really can't be bothered with a silly power trip of,'i'm an indymedia editor so I am going to delete this message this person wanted to communicate however valid or not because I don't know what he's talikg about but I'm gonna do do it cause i'm an editor, etc.'....You will also see,I am pleased to note,that a British group, perhaps involved with education,I forget,as well as a group that collects material off of the internet that is Vatican related picked up on my post,'Does oxford.indymedia censor religious criticism and science history ?'.
I believe this is good and whatever might stimulate others to think about an issue is good.So I feel that even in deleting my message you did something positive.You stimulated me to defend my reasoning for posting a '28 year old issue'and I did,in my defense,add details the original article did not contain.Thank you.
Well there is actually one Indymedia editor by the alias 'nessie',I believe,in SF.I don't know for sure but his power trip may be one reason why indymedia SF split in two with indybay,in my opinion,being the least pretentious and thus most democratic.And I'm biased,but I believe,the better of the two.The 'nessie' alias did,in the end,drive me from sf.indymedia and more to posting on indybay and eventually all around the U.S..You can find our confrontation on a google of 'nessie tony ryals pope schwab lom'or those general terms on both sf.indymedia and on urbana champaign indymedia.It was rather humorous, actually.
I particularly like utah.indymedia sort of because it's quiet,not a lot of posting and turn over,and also because one of the centers of my criticisms is their Senator Bob Bennett and Patrick Byrne of Overstock.com of Utah.But I like nc.indymedia,baltimore.indymedia,richmond and charlottesville and urbana champaign and others.I am not sure I could be so truthful in Great Britain as I am on the U.S. indymedias, however.
For instance,the Bristol indymedia removed my post,'Is James Dale Davidson Using GB?',that mentions your Lord Rees-Mogg in passing.And again I don't blame them,I am unfamiliar with the nuances of British law and free speech,or lack thereof.And my heart goes out to them for the harrassment they endured and the server that was confiscated.
My only suggestion is don't keep 'a stiff upper lip' for too long,you'll become just like your parents.
Oxford Indymedia reply and counter point :
Original Message ----- From: "richard hering" To: endoscam (at) lycos.com Subject: Re: your posts Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:53:34 +0000 (GMT)
Dear Mr Ryals
I am surprised you do not already know why your articles are begin hidden from oxford indymedia, as a cursory inspection of the editorial guidelines would give you a clear explanation:
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/static/editorial.html
As you can see from these guidelines, your 28-year-old article violates at least two of them. It is "non-news" and "not Oxford-relevant". Please respect in future that this is a local news site, not a blog or a discussion forum.
Richard Hering (member of ox-imc editorial collective)
Dear Richard Herring,
Thanks for your kind reply.I myself was pleased when another post immediately following mine was deleted regarding indymedia London promoting or condoning rascism. Why ? Because it was obviously a false organization and no references to the supposed rascist material were cited.
As to the age of my original article,well,you know,personally,I would consider relevence to age.If for instance someone came across a work of Charles Darwin and decided to publish it I would hope indymedia.oxford would not remove it.Not that I claim to be a thinker of that quality.On the other hand any thinker,rather than say a bad editor,who wanted to take time to understand the relevance or lack thereof of my decades old writing could do so,as well as verify that it had never been written before and was not plagiarized.
A simple Google search,'pope misconceptions conception phosphates four elements mining earth orbit 'would quickly lead you to the fact I wrote it and it is unique in terms of science and western history.I didn't bother in the additional letter to add it was the Moslems to whom the church and Saint Thomas Aquinas owed the works of Aristotle that they translated from Greek to Latin,but that is a further historic fact.
(AT SOME POINT AFTER I PUT IT ON AN ANGELFIRE WEBSITE IN 2001,ALONG WITH POLITICAL RHYMES CRITICAL OF BUSH() AMONG OTHER THINGS,ANGELFIRE DISAPPEARED IT FROM SEARCH ENGINES SOMEHOW SO ONLY RECENTLY I BEGAN POSTING IT ON INDYMEDIAS AROUND THE U.S..DO YOU REALLY THINK THE OTHER INDYMEDIAS IN THE U.S. ARE BEING DUPED SOMEHOW FOR ALLOWING ME FREE SPEECH TO POST A CURRENTLY RELEVENT ESSAY TO THEIR LOCAL REGION AS IT IS TO THE WORLD !?)
As to local relevance it certainly appears you have Christian and Catholic churches there in Oxford.I would even go so far as to think you probably have free thinkers with an interest in science and history.And again you did not remove the threats of litigation,etc.made by the Archbishop. Why not ? Oh it's local and this school that's older than my article by far(1920's ?),has relavance, whereas science history pertaining to that church does not ! ?
Do you consider what Archbishop Nichols or his lawyer had to say more relevant to Oxford than your dependence upon outside sources of phosphates that,like water and oil,may also lead to war,much less the impacts of strip mining ? Oh I'm pretty wild in my claims aren't I ? Of course that has nothing whatsoever to do with Oxford.Ha.I would be careful to take any birth control advise from your archbishop however.
You should realise that some things that are universal in the world DO have local relevance.I bet you even have gravity over there.In fact it was your Isaac Newton who first made an attempt to define what many had felt but had no words to describe before him.And again Johanes Kepler might have gotten more credit for defining gravity before Mr.Newton did but that's another story.Yet if a science journalist wrote an article about either of them today I would probably read it and not curse the writer for writiing about an aspect of science and men who contributed to it centuries ago,would you ?
I could have removed the date from the Daily Californian article had I known that was so important to you and changed Pope John Paul II to Pope Benedict and you would not have known the difference.But I wrote it and am proud of it and even more so that it grows more relevant everyday,yet saddened as well.And just as Newton's and Kepler's and Einstein's,etc., gravity has relevance to people around the world today leading even to local articles being written on the subject,so too do phosphates.
Although Oxford has no phosphates to my knowledge it probably has some agriculture that imports it from Florida or Morroco for instance.And just like in China or India or Poland or Canada or the U.S. or Central America or London for that matter,and just like the pope,you and they will each consume in your food and excrete about a pound and a half or over half a kilo from your body each time the earth goes around the sun,(remember what Galileo got into trouble for?).So tell me the size of Oxford's population and I'll tell you approximately how many pounds or kilos of phosphates you all excrete and pollute into your local bodies of water each year or for each earth orbit.And I can only do that because of chemistry discoveries of people like Justus Von Liebig that dates back to the early 19th century.Is that to you irrelevant !?
So my writing has plenty of relevance to you and there are more people on the planet by far than '28 years ago' so what I wrote then is only more relevant now.Why don't you tell me phosphate being strip mined in Florida or Morroco has no relevance to Oxford ? CAN YOU DO THAT ? Not without lying to me or yourself.
Also besides removing the ridiculous whining of your Archbishop you might have removed an ad-article promoting a 'newspaper' cafe.I'm sure you have a rule you can find to justify that.But you know what?,if it were me I would not remove it and I thank you for not hastling the people with their small local restaurant.It sounds like a good ambiant and I wish them well and hope some local oxford.indymedia folks check it out.
Finally I did repost my letter to you and the people of Oxford,with corresponding link to my essay,elsewhere on indymedia including in Australia.Just as I previously posted 'Is James Dale Davidson using New Zealand?'there as well. Davidson is,like Clinton,an Oxford graduate and penny stock fraud and founder of Washington,D.C.'s far right National Taxpayers Union.In the letter to Oxford you removed you may remember I mentioned him and the Lord Rees-Mogg in passing and the removal of my British version,'Is James Dale Davidson using GB ?',from Bristol indymedia. Well,anyway,as fascist as America has become in the last few years and with increasing intimidations and threats to free speech,at least indymedia in the U.S. seems so far braver than England.And my kudos to Australia and New Zealand so far as well.
I believe both Davidson and the Lord Rees-Mogg realise that if they try to intimidate indymedias outside the U.S.for my exposing Davidson to the light it will make news in the U.S..So,no problem,indymedias in the U.S SEEM TO LIKE ME.Check out utah.indymedia and search 'ryals' as one example.What I am saying on U.S.indymedias is much more controversial,yet true,than what I have said here.
Do a 'schwab lom' google search or 'attorney o'quinn stock fraud money laundering' and you'll see that I long for the good old days when an article about the pope was the most controversial thing I did.Or try Google search,'utah senator bennett striptease'.I just hope Google doesn't become a censor next which,as you can see from a Google search 'schwab lom', I suspected in late 2004.
Also Richard,would you mind if I sent you what I wish to say about Davidson and the Lord Rees-Mogg that you or someone there might give me feedback on what I can and can't say in England or oxford.indymedia that will avoid any threats or intimidations from them ? Or do you think an article essay or editorial related to Oxford's James Dale Davidson,Bill Clinton and England's Lard Rees-Mogg is not relevant to Oxford news?
Oh,ignore that my reply will say 'william knowles',I assure you I am Tony Ryals.A google search,'yahoo mafia ncans james dale davidson'should take you to the relevant indymedia and news.com posts that will explain how the 'ncans mafia',as I call them,have had my original email accounts removed more times than I can count for confronting them on Yahoo's NFI and OSTK message boards as well as www.ragingbull.com.You can also read the threats to my life.I don't really care though.
Sincerely,
Tony Ryals
Tony Ryals
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