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Royal Marines Murder Injuurd Afgan Prisoner in Cold Blood

Anti-War Campagner | 24.10.2013 13:27 | Anti-militarism

Headlines from today's newspaper about atrocities in Afganistan.

Even the mainstream press are now balking at the hypocrisy of the Western Imperial War Machine.
Royal Marines in Afganistan were reportedly discussing amongst themselves the best place to shoot an injured prisoner in order to avoid detection of cold blooded murder. This directly contravenes almost every international convention on the rights of prisoners taken in battle.
Once and for all the West must start to take responsibility for it's own abuses and the abuses of it's lackeys who accept the 'king's shilling' and earn their wages by killing and torturing as a way of passing their time.
See front page of today's Independent..




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Doesnt surprise me at all

24.10.2013 14:36

To all the pro-military brainwashed masses reading this:

Next time you buy some shitty Help The Heroes merchandise, put some cash in a collection box or buy a poppy, you are glorifying and supporting these people after they have done their 'tour'. Most have done evil shit under the guise of just following orders.

Also, lose a limb whilst riding on the imperial war machine? You signed up. Stop whinging. Statistically you killed and maimed more civilians *sorry* collateral. Perhaps you should be taken by the 'enemy' and found a good place to be shot so it doesn't look like a murder.

KermitTheFrog

Wars For Land And Resources

24.10.2013 15:27


The scum of society joins the armed forces to do the dirty work for their lords and masters. This has been going on for centuries... for example, the Zulu wars in South Africa, where thousands of idiots were maimed or died for the queen's measly shilling.

Oh yes, they eventually got their hands on the gold and diamond mines and mining companies like De Beers was set up to syphon off South Africas wealth... of course, the queen got a nice share of the pie. The queen is also 'commander-in-chief' of British Armed Forces... they cannot move without her permission.

While members of the establishment enjoyed the plunder, the wives and families of the dead or severely injured soldiers were left on the streets to beg or prostitute themselves.

Yeah, it's a 'Socialist Welfare State' LOL [If you are an aristocrat, banker or corporate CEO]

See you on the flip side!

Klamber

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Soldiers

25.10.2013 05:53

Two stupid comments here. Soldiers join and fight for a number of reasons, some are linked to poverty, some to a sense of 'doing something'

Were those who landed on the beaches of Normandy to destroy the Nazi horror to be classified as above ? I don't think so.

Were the British Army soldiers who liberated Sieera Leone or Kosovo monsters ? I don't think so


Suggest you see the bigger picture and stop posting 6th form black and white analysis because it makes you look somewhat stupid.

Grandfather fought in Spain

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@ Grandfather fought in Spain

25.10.2013 08:14

The soldiers of WW2 were conscripts, unable to say no if they wanted to. Driven into battle by the Jewish banking interests who had planned the war and safe in their London mansions. They were not heroes, they were sheep whose lack of education meant they believed they were fighting for "God".

All soldiers are murderers and in time they will all pay for their crimes.

Anti war in all forms

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"the Jewish banking interests who had planned the war "

25.10.2013 09:08

Any evidence of that that ftp ?

No thought not.

ftp watch

The Banks DID Finance ALL Sides

25.10.2013 09:41


Yes, there is evidence that the central banks mostly based in America during WWI & WWII... If you are really interested in informing yourself, it is quite easy to find.

Also, corporations like IBM, ITT, Genera. Motors and the Ford Company built factories in Germany and sent teams of experts to help the Nazis industrialise and prepare for war.

Much the same was done to help the Soviet Union.

Both my great grandfathers were in WWII and my father and many uncles were in WWII... my father was a marine who said openly he didn't like professional soldiers and gave examples of their behaviour... one who kicked a young German boy in the balls who had had his legs blown off.

I would like to correct my statement about professional soldiers being scum... they are not, scum floats to the top, so that would more accurately describe the royal family, aristocracy, bankers and corporate CEO's.

Klamber

Soldiers Are The Dregs Of Society

25.10.2013 10:16


Yes, if the wealthy and powerful are the scum, then professional soldiers are the dregs of society. The lowest of the low... always ready to do the bidding of their beloved queenie, who doesn't give a crap about them and their aristocratic and corporate lords and masters. How stupid can a person be?

I know first hand, because I was a professional soldier and was disgusted by most of what I saw. The British armed forces are run by the aristocratic 'Oxbridge' mafia... check out the staff officers... the ones with the red flashes on their collars. The British secret intelligence services [SIS] are also dominated by the same crowd.

Working class boys are seen as mere cannon fodder... the ruling elite are not protecting 'The People' of Britain... they are looking after their own family interests.

Who do you think are the major shareholders of central banks and multi national corporations?

It's well past time that this arrangement was fundamentally changed... not just here but around the world.

Klamber

Well said KermitTheFrog

25.10.2013 11:46

In the Second World War people had no choice for various reasons.
Since then joining the forces has been volantary and therefore there is no excuse to start whining and making excuses. Especially when you are prepared to accept the pay packet.

anon

To Klamber

25.10.2013 12:16


If you are so disgusted by solders why did you join up? It's easy to be outraged now, but what atrocities did you commit? And in five years time will you chnage sides again and start working as a paid mercianary?
Just asking.

another anon

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Jewish banking interests

25.10.2013 13:41

Where would Indymedia UK be without some nutter linking a subject to Jews ?

The post above alleged that "the Jewish banking interests who had planned the war" not that banks and other multi-nationals profitied from it. It could be argued that company or individual who took part in the war profited from it but that would be a stupid argument rather like much of what has been written here.

"Jewish banking interests" did not plan WWII anymore than the Bush family planned 911 despite what some people on the internet would have you believe. The Allied soldiers and those of the Soviet Union were fighting one of the very few true manifistations of pure evil and many of them sacrificed their lives and their futures so that sad, lonely, bitter, unpopular individuals without the guts to identify themselves could insult them from the safety of their empty little bedsits.

If anybody who wrote the above is a real man who wants to defend what he has written face to face then contact me using any of the details below. I bet not one of you has the guts.

Alan McDonald
22 Church St
St Leonards-On-Sea
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Don't Try To Change The Subject

25.10.2013 14:11


Professional soldiers are mercenaries... they do the dirty work for their wealthy sponsors.

No, I didn't commit atrocities, I wasn't raised that way... I was disgusted at the jingoistic, racist culture that exists in the army.

If I gave you my address Mac, you would end up in a body bag and I would be doing a life sentence for killing an idiot... not very sensible in my opinion.

The 'royal' family are WARLORDS and always have been... notice how they all sport uniforms when they appear on the balcony during parades and suchlike?

The first victims of these warlords and robber barons were the British people themselves, when they were driven off their land and forced into slave labour. They now use 'The Law' to intimidate and extort the British public, although violence and physical force are always an option... ask any activist or demonstrator.

I have no intention of going back into servitude for those inbred psychopaths.

Times are changing... they will be swept away into the dustbin of history, along with all their ass kissing slaves.

Klamber

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@ Klamber = Walt

25.10.2013 14:52

All talk just like I thought.

I didn't ask you to give me your address, I offered to meet with you and gave you mine but as I predicted you are the sort of keyboard hero who talks a good story but never can back it up.

You were never a soldier, you have never done anything outside of video games.

Total Walting of a high order

Alan McDonald

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Klamber = spineless twat

25.10.2013 15:00

Ha Ha Ha !

Another keyboard soldier bites the dust

you got owned boy

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Final Comment On This Thread

25.10.2013 15:07


You sound like a child that has never experienced real violence.

Those who have a deeper understanding of violence realise that it is a method of last resort for self-defence. I doubt if that is your name and address... you are the coward and liar.

You own nothing... you mind and soul are owned by the state.

Klamber

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Well Said Alan MacDonald

26.10.2013 09:21

I think I've come across this 'Klamber'. He lives somewhere in the Midlands and goes about pretending to be an Ex-Marine Commando..
Pretty sure it's him.


yet another anon

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Respect to Alan Mac

26.10.2013 09:39



This 'Klamber' is pulling a few strings. If it's who I think it is he goes around saying he used to be in the Royal Marine Commandos.
And who is he to say it's the last post? Is this a case of censership?

complete beginner

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To Klamber

26.10.2013 09:45

Who are you that you can dictate who says what on indymedia?
The only abusive comments were made by you.

Alan Mac bested you and now you are trying to close down the discussions.
Is it you who goes round pretending to be an Ex-royal Marine Commando?

Show some balls.

against censership

Minority

27.10.2013 09:15

Soldiers like this are the minority. The vast majority don't kill civilians and you guys don't have any evidence to suggest otherwise.

Martin
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Not a good idea to put up home address.

27.10.2013 09:56

Can find the name, using 192.com. Cannot find Church Street in St Leonards. Not a good idea to put address's on here. Can affect you and your family.

This was a disagreement that was never going to go anywhere. Troops are not supposed to kill unless it is part of the rules of engagement. Nuremburg put a stop to the excuse of unlimited obeiance to orders.
D*

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Banter

28.10.2013 03:22

Good banter team, good banter!

People do get worked up easily and detract from the point!
If the Bootnecks did intentionally slot that Taliban chap then they should face the consequences. Totally unacceptable !! End of story, full stop.

I'm a former Marine, no such thing as an ex Marine, 5yrs at 42cdo, 95-00. But I won't bore you, let's just say it set me up for my career in the Met! And to be honest, working with former soldiers, sailors, airman or Marines Is a damn sight better than some of the wallies coming in now with no life experience or common dog!

Not ACAB

Bob

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My bit

28.10.2013 08:51

Indymedia has its share of Walts and Urban cowboys like Klamber in the same way that the Guardian comment page has its closet Nazis. The key is to look on them with detached ammusment as a source of fun.

Anybody who has been in the services can tell you stories of people mouthing off in pubs etc about "their time in the army and getting all the basic info wrong. And of course every pub has it's 'Klamber' the one who served with 'THEM' and who can kill you with a pencil and a book of matches.

In many ways I'm not surprised that Afghans have been killed in the way alleged, the very act of war drives individuals to random violence through repeated exposure to death and injury. I served in the Falklands and found it very difficult to return to civilian life after I left the army that included a time sleeping rough. Another poster above talked about the many reasons that people join up. For me it was having a father and older brother in the army and living the army life from a young age, I never even considered alternatives, I knew of soldiers who escaped abject poverty in Scotland and the North East and others from comfortable Middle Class homes who wanted to "see the world and have some excitement". I met one who very openly said he found the idea of killing someone "thrilling" ( he himself was killed at Bluff Cove). I certainly never felt like some mercenry or Queen's hired killer. I helped defend Europe from a totalitarian regime in Russia that wanted to invade, I assisted Catholics on the Falls Road who had been kneecapped for refusing to pay protection money to the INLA, I carried in my arms the injured body of a 10 year old boy blown up by a bomb in Belfast planted by Loyalists and I helped liberate the Falkland Islands from a country that used the war and sacrificed its young conscripts to divert attention from a financial crises.

Not all soldiers are the same like not all coppers are the same. However Walts like Klamber are all the same and that's why they deserve to be laughed at.

Let the children play

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People need to be careful

28.10.2013 10:22

You have no idea who you are dealing with.

I have contacts all through the UK and can visit anyone of you at any time I want, my skills will let me be in your house before you even know I am there. I have received training that even most members of the British Army do not know about.

This is the last time I will warn you.

Klamber

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Klamber

28.10.2013 10:50

I think this 'Klamber' probably needs to be sectioned.

yet another anon

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Feeling Nervous Lads?

28.10.2013 11:54

I'm both surprised and flattered to receive so much attention. You all seem to be scuttling around like rats caught in a torchlight. Hehe.

What rock did you crawl out of... 'blood & honour' [sic] or some other racist, xenophobic site where you masturbate over pictures of dead brown people that have been 'slotted' [sic] and stroke each others egos?

You are sick people, the dregs of a chronically sick society... I know you will probably never realise or accept this, but others can see it in your defensive comments and flimsy lies. The sad pretence of humanity.

You are like a bunch of sprogs on your first field exercise, with Yorkshire pud' berets and expressions of confusion.

Wasn't going to comment on this thread again, but couldn't resist your desperate pleas for attention. lol

Klamber

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Let the children play

28.10.2013 12:14


That's a very good post. Gives you food for thought. Thanks.

anon

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@ Let the children play

28.10.2013 17:29

Really good post, thanks for that. I worked or a while at a shelter in Manchester for rough sleepers and it always shocked me how many ex army people there were among them although I have to say the Royal British Legion were just superb in helping them - a charity that is probably doing more for homless people than just about any in the country.

Your statements about why people join the army, navy and air force were very similair to the stories I heard but I also spoke with men that said they joined up to "make a difference" or to "change the world a little bit". One told me he was a Jew who was determined that nothing like the Nazis would ever be seen again and felt he had a duty to try and stop people like them.

Please do post again

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Walts like Klamber

28.10.2013 17:31

".....However Walts like Klamber are all the same and that's why they deserve to be laughed at"

Could not agree more. Doubt he made it past level two on Call of Duty - LOL !

Former Royal Navy, now social worker

For 'Bernard'

28.10.2013 18:16

Your comment clearly shows you are a liar, no Jew ever fought for anything except,himself...

Klamber

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Patriots Withouts A Cause

28.10.2013 19:01

Klamber is not an anti semite.

It is obvious to most from syntax and cadence that Nazi boys are using the name Klamber under false pretences. Of course, this does not surprise us, as fascists are known for their lack of moral fibre and cowardice.

I didn't realise people could be so stupid they still don't realise they have been thrown overboard by their beloved queen and government a long time ago.

Perhaps when you see our children starving, their might be a glimmer of light in those dim, bigoted and alcohol shrunken brains.

anon

Request to the mods

29.10.2013 15:44

Please remove the antisemtic slur by the poster 'Klamber", this idiot has been trolling the newswire all week.

Antifa

I know where you live

29.10.2013 17:23

Be warned

Klamber

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