SWP get police to arrest own side at EDL Newcastle march.
r | 25.05.2013 20:51
Today the EDL took to the streets in Newcastle. In the run up to this, the SWP banned anyone who raised the possibility of employing a diverse range of tactics from attending the 'Newcastle unites against fascism' planning meetings and banned and deleted their comments over facebook. They also threatened that anyone who was deemed aggressive would be seized by their stewards and happened over to the police. What happened today was worse.
Having appointed themselves protest monitors, they decided to take action against anyone who wished to protest independently of them by grassing on them to the police. As a consequence a group of peaceful activists were kettled, handcuffed and then in one case literally dragged along the ground into a police van. The police actually stated that they had been informed by the march organisers, that they were banned from the police approved SWP march as they were troublemakers, hence their arrest. What an underhand, disgusting thing to do.
The SWP have further provided themselves to be authoritarian ideologues. They are just as bad as the EDL.
The SWP have further provided themselves to be authoritarian ideologues. They are just as bad as the EDL.
r
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rubbish
25.05.2013 22:06
On they day there were many anarchists on the demo, several with large flags. They weren't turned away from it because they had done nothing to suggest they would put the safety or success of the event in jeopardy.
SWP members did not hand anyone over to the police. It is true that police asked some of the high profile people in the campaign such as some of the councillors if there was anyone on the march whose presence they thought would cause problems. They may well have divulged such information, but they weren't SWP members.
UAF and other groups include people who absolutely disagree with each other on a host of issues from Syria to revolution and from Palestine to higher education funding. But we work together because we know each of us is serious about having a physical presence against the EDL when they march. If UAF or other local groups like Newcastle Unites feel that the actions of some individuals or groups will get in the way of communities uniting to fight fascists, then we will not apologise for saying we will continue to say you shouldn't have a place at the table. We're not about to put liberal and abstracted notions of being anti authoritarian stop us from building broad coalitions that look like the communities they claim to defend.
To say we are as bad as the EDL shows how degenerate you are. People give fascist salutes on EDL demos, people call for Muslims to be deported on EDL demos, people on EDL demos try to attack mosques. Sort yourself out man.
HL
Bullshit to the above comment
25.05.2013 23:20
Instead of working together with ALL groups Newcastle unites and the swp tried to monopolize the days events and had 7 people "removed" and arrested from their protest.
Stating the following to a group wishing to participate Councilor dipu ahad went on the attack of the communist group revolutionary communist group stating the following:
‘I assure you that you will be thrown out of the demo and the public meeting by our stewards who will be many. You will also be reported to the police for causing disorder!’
This kind of cowardly action of getting fellow campaigners arrested for taking part in real anti fascist actions is why the left is on a course of self destruct.
Allowing the SWP to monopolize on any event can only lead to trouble so its time for a split from the swp and outing of the leaders like yunus Bakhsh for class tratiory
All en all a cowardly day for the swp to stop any real form of anti fascist action only action is music according to the swp
yours
Fuck the swp
Toon Anarchist
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march against the EDL newcastle
26.05.2013 00:36
Eventually after about 2 hrs the police forced us to join the other facists on the Socalist Worker/Labor/Union march. I confronted several of the organisers and asked why they had asked the police to arrest left wing activists. I was told to get of the march if I did not agree with them by one person, (said I was not on their march until forced to join them by the police). I was told by another SWP that the reason FRFI had been banned and then arrested was because they opposed the labour party and the unions - said I opposed the labour party and also had issues about the way unions often behaved. i.e. today banning people from demos and then telling the police to arrest them, there was also a labour councilor involved in this disgraceful action. Said I am not a member of any group and neither are the people who demonstrated with me against the EDL today but my freinds had been banned from the face bood discussion. Asked can you not understand that this is a facist action, you have shown yourself to be no better than the EDL.
If proof was ever needed that the Socialist Worker Party are part of the state run system here we have it, facists fighting facists.
In the meantime my friends from FRFI are still being held by police and may be charged.
lidia Tindle
Police agents set up FRFI supporters for arrest in Newcastle
26.05.2013 00:41
12 people are currently being detained by Northumbria police in Newcastle. They were arrested as they sought to exercise their human right to demonstrate against the EDL on Saturday 25 May. The 12 include seven FRFI supporters and some anarchists. Later in the afternoon, police raided the homes of those they had arrested and took away a computer. Newcastle Unites, a coalition which includes Labour councillors, Newcastle TUC and the SWP, had passed the names of our comrades to the police earlier in the week in order to exclude them from a public meeting on Thursday and then gave the police the green light to arrest them today. In a Facebook posting this week Newcastle Unites figurehead Dipu Ahad warned FRFI and other committed anti-fascists that if they attempted to join the anti-EDL rally,
‘I assure you that you will be thrown out of the demo and the public meeting by our stewards who will be many. You will also be reported to the police for causing disorder!’
Police stood outside the Newcastle Unites public meeting with a list of names and barred anybody whose name was on the list.
We believe that some of those involved in Newcastle Unites have acted as police agents and exposed these comrades to serious charges. We call upon you to join us in condemning their action.
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Sectarianism more importanyt than fighting fascism
26.05.2013 11:59
Because your priority may not be to fight fascism but to fight the Labour Party and the Trade Unions does not mean you should not be able to work with them in a united front. I disagree with the SWP, Labour Party, FRFI, The churches, Islam and most of the anarchists but in the face of fascism I am willing to work with them on an agreed minimum programme.
To be shouting abuse at the SWP and Labour councillors whern we have just seen a huge growth is attacks on Muslims, a huge, for them, increase in EDL supporters on the march is a diversion we can do without.
Save your sectarian attacks for your newspaper and branch meetings. On the streets just knuckle under, accept the majority decision, and join the rest of us in a mass anti facist movement. Public abuse and splitting tactics do us harm and actually assists the fascists.
Unionworkeruk
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Don't make us laugh.
26.05.2013 12:22
In Solidarity.
In yer face
@Unionworkeruk
26.05.2013 13:22
all for one
Video of arrests
26.05.2013 17:46
normantebbit
in reply to liberals from swp labour council and unions
26.05.2013 19:05
No, we werent turned away because (and no disrespect to rcg group) you PHYSICALLY couldn't have turned us away as we are not in the slightest bit scared of you and your stewards and your police collaborators. Your stewards didn't fucking squeek when we objected to them pushing us around so don't try to use us as some kind of defence for you being scab cunts.
You gave a list of names to the cops at your meeting on thursday night. you banned anarchists, greens, communists, labour and non-aligned people from your facebook event page for simply asking questions. you've attempted to smear anarchists and the rcg for the past two weeks. you lot gave names and personal phone numbers of some anarchists to the police.
fuck you.
toon lad
unionworkeruk unity???
26.05.2013 19:26
you have obviously no idea what has happened up here the last few months. the local swp and labour councillors alongside some of the tuc have carried out a deliberate campaign to discredit anyone who does not toe their line. this has even involved giving comrades' details to the police and even having them arrested. their crime? trying to have some say in north east anti-fascism. that's it. that's all they did.
if that is your idea of unity then you can stick it up your arse.
toon lad
You lose.
26.05.2013 19:50
The deal is done and the SWP/EDL/NF/AF combo has no bearing on the matter.
This IS the moment you have dreaded. The British public is of one mind, the killing of that soldier in Woolwich is accepted as fair dealing. The public agree with the guy and his meat cleaver. This killing IS the result of the UK's foreign policy and the UK's involvement in serious and longstanding human rights abuses in Iraq and Afghanistan. The killing of this soldier is justified.
Sorry to have to say this but al'Qaeda have scored a compelling victory here. You'll not be using media management to lever yourselves out of this one.
See you soon.
anonymous
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26.05.2013 20:44
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Lol
26.05.2013 22:12
Dan Factor
your worse
26.05.2013 23:26
nationalist
What about the Islamic terrorists?
27.05.2013 17:26
But what about protesting against the killers?
This is important! Lot of important work to be done
meme
This article and all the comments are bollox
27.05.2013 17:50
SWP
Correcting for the right-wing distorted vision of reality.
27.05.2013 18:31
This is important! Lot of important work to be done"
Problem is nobody sympathises with that soldier.
Not surprising really when most people think the British Army are war criminals.
Most people thinks its better to see soldiers getting whacked in the street than ordinary people getting whacked on buses and trains. About half of those people on 7/7 would have been against the Iraq and Afstan wars. The guys who did that simply were so angry they never thought it through. People were more angry at indiscriminate killing on 7/7 than they were angry at being attacked as a result of the states foreign policy (whatever Washington wants).
Might be hard for you right-wingers to understand that gievn your failure to keep you "emotions" under control but there you have it.
Islam has nothing to do with it. The more you continue with that, the worst things get for you.
anonymous
To Anonymous
27.05.2013 18:42
Think on it, muppet!
Puzzled
indymedia looks sillier every day
27.05.2013 18:54
Really!!? You've just Failed
> Not surprising really when most people think the British Army are war criminals.
Most??!!!! Not sure what part of the world you live in.
> Most people thinks its better to see soldiers getting whacked in the street than ordinary people getting whacked on buses and trains.
Thats great, except your statement is made up bullshit
> About half of those people on 7/7 would have been against the Iraq and Afstan wars.
About 100% would have been against the 7/7 bombing
> The guys who did that simply were so angry they never thought it through.
They were terrorists
> People were more angry at indiscriminate killing on 7/7 than they were angry at being attacked as a result of the states foreign policy (whatever Washington wants).
I think people are just angry at islamic terrorists doing dispicable acts of evil.
> Might be hard for you right-wingers to understand that gievn your failure to keep you "emotions" under control but there you have it.
Terrorist apologist speaks clap-trap
> Islam has nothing to do with it. The more you continue with that, the worst things get for you.
I luv how you completely ignored "Terrorists" and just concentrated on the Islam aspect. Funny how all these terrorists are Islamic.
result
To SWP
27.05.2013 18:57
Unite against fascism? Sadly, a sick joke at the moment. You should be ashamed!
Angela
Why do you want to be with them?
27.05.2013 19:00
More worrying than that is this whole need to yap on about how shit each other is, meanwhile the EDL march on. The reason they're making headway is that they're united in their focus. They'll be a fractious bunch, just the same as those on the left are, but they know that their aims are more important than their egos, which seems to be the opposite for the left. If your focus is to stand and be seen to publicly oppose the EDL, then that's the important thing. The rest is just miserable navel gazing and petty squabbling.
Let the SWP organise their way, and the greens, anarchists etc. do their thing. And let's face it, the non SWP lefties here could probably easily name three or four activists who've given info to the authorities at some point.
Oh, and the word "fascist". It's like reading a transcript of one of Rick, from The Young Ones, rants. It just devalues the real meaning of the word. Trots will treat you like Trots treat people, don't hang round them if you don't want the treatment.
the eyeball kid
Jealous
27.05.2013 19:10
SWP 1 Indymedia 0
Dr. Hans Rhineheart
this would be bad
27.05.2013 19:14
dont bother going on about how the swp is bad
because the article is fictional shite posted to try and discredit the SWP
nice try losers
still laughing!
27.05.2013 20:19
go home
And with a lst desperate gasp, it was all over.
27.05.2013 21:01
That is truly miserable.
Given an event of the same magnitude, we could do a million+ easy.
This is a last spurt. The EDL/NF are all used up.
Agent Starling.
Oh deary me.
27.05.2013 21:11
The backlash against the bellend begins.
anonymous
"million+ easy"
27.05.2013 21:35
dumbass
half wits
27.05.2013 21:41
2 Losers pre-planned, pre-equipped and had element of surprise
The casualty record was still 2:1
Fucking incompetent halfwits can't even do that right
Heart of london???! And DO WHAT!?
Like it matters
What matters is what the government do on behalf of the voters.
How many more people are now going to be swayed to vote "get those immigrants out" ? Thats what matters. Walking around london for a day with a sign and a slogan is soooooooooooooooooo old hat. Doesn't achieve fuck all. Waste of time except to massage one's own ego with how oh-so-great you are. But at end of day, policies are defined by public opinion and voting.
thumper
@ the old dear
27.05.2013 21:43
"Explaining the decision to turn down donations from the far-right group, a Help For Heroes spokesperson said: ‘He’s the only one that’s come to our attention but tonight we’ll be doing a cross-count to make sure that anyone else that’s saying they’re EDL will not be allowed to fundraise for us.
‘It’s the same for any political party, we don’t allow political fundraising. As a charity, we’re non-political.’"
quarter wit
Hang yer heads low.
27.05.2013 22:44
How many more people are now going to be swayed to vote "get those immigrants out" ? Thats what matters. Walking around london for a day with a sign and a slogan is soooooooooooooooooo old hat. Doesn't achieve fuck all. Waste of time except to massage one's own ego with how oh-so-great you are. But at end of day, policies are defined by public opinion and voting."
The British government have only one option which they are observing. Its called STFU.
They say nothing because it is clear what the British people are thinking. Nobody cares much about a baby slaughtering British soldier getting whacked in the street. Its considered karma and payback for what the British Army have been stupidly and foolishly doing in Iraq and Afstan. Now they aren't gloating so much now they know that they aren't even safe outside their own barracks in their own capital city.
And how is that whole "being in Afghanistan to protect us here at home" line going for ya? Feel like a complete bellend now do ya?
"‘It’s the same for any political party, we don’t allow political fundraising. As a charity, we’re non-political"
That's a bizaare thing to say, given that the EDL are not a political party!!!
Nope, the HFH propaganda wing of the British Army don't want the EDL's money. You go protesting on the streets getting ya heads split open by everybody and their dog and what for? The people you claim to be supporting don't want your money! Those blokes who you call "our lads" won't take yer money.
Hang yer head low boy, hang yer head low.
anonymous
The end of the affair.
27.05.2013 22:45
Like it matters"
The whole world knows what happened, and nobody knows who you are.
Do the maths boy.
Rigsby
@Dan Factor
27.05.2013 23:26
yeah?
@Rigsby
27.05.2013 23:27
change ye name if yo not down wiv em
SWP have utterly discredited themselves
28.05.2013 07:02
Interestingly, the SWP rank&file have been observed to be getting increasingly estranged from their leadership. Witness the spilt over which Unite General Secretary candidate (bureaucrat Len McCluskey or grassroots left candidate Jerry Hicks) in the 2010 election for Unite General Secretary SWP should back (the previous election). The culmination of these disputes which saw the SWP split down the middle (exposing how half of the membership are reformist lefts if their natural inclination gravitates towards the bureacracy) resulted in a faction being formed in opposition to the central committee and an emergency conference earlier in the year.
Ahead of that showdown, the SWP central Committee expelled two members who had written criticisms about the SWP leadership, together with two others who are alleged to be involved in “secret factionalism” alongside them. All very Kafka-esque.
Ref:
Read also: Ten years on: a comment on the British SWP
Ref:
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Blog - collection of articles on the workings & demise of the SWP
28.05.2013 07:35
same as it ever was SWP is the first line of policing any movement
Down with this sort of thing
28.05.2013 10:45
Corporate Cocksuckers
To anonymous
28.05.2013 11:13
m
Speak the truth, and let the lie die.
28.05.2013 12:59
I don't know anyone who is as disgusted by this as the EDL and their Conservative sponsors are. Its all a much of a much.
Karma is what happens when you spend your life spitting in peoples faces and then long after the fact, you wake to find your own face dripping in spit. No-one knows how it happens but its splendidly amusing when it does. Most people belive in karma except those that don't. Guess which lot karma happens to the most? Yes that's right, its the group who swear blind it doesn't exist!
Lee Rigby served in Afstan so that's all that is required of him. It doesn't matter what he did while he was there. He was there and he was there to take orders from the people that have been killing the Afghani's for 12 years now. He was there and supported those who have been killing women and children for no other reason than your own government feel the need to butcher people to keep the money coming in to feed the UK defence industry. While Rigby and his freinds kill and maim the defencless, you and your friends say that its just a job. The life of an Afghani means nothing to you.
Surprise surprise, your lives mean nothing to us...and we are standing right behind you.
Right now your government have again condemned you to suffering and poverty by forcing the EU into allowing the UK defence industry to start selling arms and weapons to the FSA in Syria. For no other reason than turning a quick profit. You will see none of that money. Instead, you will have poverty spat at you by a government that really do not care one iota about you. They never have cared, and they never will care.
What that man in London said about your government and its foreign policy...is true.
And if you want proof of that, hold an empty gun to your Prime Ministers head.
He will tell you everything you want to know, and more besides.
For that is the mark of the coward.
anonymous
FIFR a small group of wind up merchants-lovers of stalin
28.05.2013 15:31
They are sickest stragglers on the left by far,the lefts equivalent of the national front, except like stalin they would happily work with the national front to invade poland or get more power& to top it all they really have convinced themselves& their followers that what their leadership do is best for the humanity...:/
Current active members of FRFI worked with the hardline KGB, wherever theres conflict in the world they are usually stoking&"supporting"1side or the other, their leaders need putting in similar wards to abu hamza,anders breivik, isolation-floatation tanks&then more isolation is best for these sick people IMO, they cant be neutered like rapists, Its worth isolating them& trying floation tanks etc thou as their often smart people who need rewiring, abit like henry kissinger,lol.
In their hands we would be in or one step closer to "rivers of blood" that these so called activists from FRFI leaders&the nationalfront fascist faction in the edl & their mirror opposite fascists who killed lee rigby are deliberately aiming for.
Do"we"want britain to be more like Syria or Nigeria now?,
chillax,
Please.
Its worth working for a better world& peaceful solutions for Britain& warzones like syria,nigeria,congo.
No1 profits from these situations ,no1!, only afew sociopaths temporarily like Hitler&Stalin."Self proclaimed followers of Evangelical methodism like the Bush family" John rockefeller jnr, the ultimate"winner"-who bet&played of all sides during worldwar2,he was lucky,but his descendants even when they are nice are detested by billions worldwide, like the Rothschilds dynasty before them. Ultimatetely no1 is in control of Britain or planet earth, even
the so called illuminati are often at each others necks literally& or doing their best, like most.
IMO cooperative direct democracy with a fair universal constitution-resource based economy, locally&globally will work, not that easy to do,but possible.
Lifes a ride, lets make this blue planet a Good one.
Apologies for sentencing& Syntax,sending this from a mobile
Monty Pythons Flying Circus
karma for Heroin dealers
28.05.2013 16:40
I do. Mostly people who arn't extreme Left.
"Karma is what happens when you spend your life spitting in peoples faces and then long after the fact, you wake to find your own face dripping in spit. No-one knows how it happens but its splendidly amusing when it does."
It took two of you anti-fasc to get one soldier. Do the maths.
"Most people belive in karma except those that don't. Guess which lot karma happens to the most? Yes that's right, its the group who swear blind it doesn't exist! "
Any evidence of that?
"blah blah... While Rigby and his freinds kill and maim the defencless, you and your friends say that its just a job. The life of an Afghani means nothing to you. "
Thats Karma! You lot in Afghanistan have been growing and shipping Heroin for many years into this country, Your Heroin kills innocent people over here, and you do it purely for profit.
>> Right now your government have again condemned you to suffering and poverty by forcing the EU into allowing the UK defence industry to start selling arms and weapons to the FSA in Syria.
Eh? Speak for yourself.
wow
The SWP are not "liberals"
28.05.2013 18:24
email
To anonymous
28.05.2013 19:07
m
e-mail:
Neptune23456@gmail.com
Knock knock!
28.05.2013 20:44
Most people do no such thing. I find nobody who cares and most will say that its no great surprise that a British soldier has been killed given what they have stupidly done in Iraq and Afghanistan.
As far as the killing is concerned you should excercise a lttle more care in who you believe. The British Army do not count 8 in 10 that are killed. If you want to know how many have died in a war, the very very last person you would ask is a soldier. Soldiers do not live in a democracy, they live in a totalitarian system where no freedoms exist at all. You cannot EVER believe the word of a soldier. British soldiers have been killing innocents and you are simply not aware of it. You are not aware of it because you are not permitted to be aware of it.
What right did those two men have to kill a British soldier?
They had as much right to kill that soldier, as that soldier had a right being in Afghanistan.
Somewhere around about that vicinity, is the difference between right and wrong. Nobody cares about Lee Rigby, and nobody is ever going to care about Lee Rigby or any other soldier who dies at the hands of the very people they are trying to destroy.
Karma is the truth's most loyal assassin.
anonymous
Silly English people and their Star Spangled Stupidity.
28.05.2013 20:49
The Taliban are the people, the people are the Taliban.
Only in Britain and Amerika are these two things different.
Iggy Popsicle
moderators please sort this nonsense out
28.05.2013 22:03
Incorrect. They had no right in killing the solider.
> Nobody cares about Lee Rigby, and nobody is ever going to care about Lee Rigby or any other soldier who dies at the hands of the very people they are trying to destroy.
Incorrect. What about his family? His friends. His work colleagues. His community.
What about all those people who left flowers at the scene?
What about all those people who posted comments on news articles offer condolences and messages of support and sorrow?
The only people who don't care are you and the other cronies on Internet asshole sites like indymedia
> Karma is the truth's most loyal assassin.
Yes., Karma is killing the Afgans because they have spent years sending heroin to the west to kill our youth - all for profit.
> Silly English people and their Star Spangled Stupidity.
Racist
> The Taliban are the people, the people are the Taliban.
Fool. The taliban treat woman as 3rd class people. They beat them for getting an education. They are not people. They are repressive and therefore must be challenged and campaigned against.
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SWP rrrrrrrrrrrrevolutionary socialists or liberals?
28.05.2013 22:09
Politically, they are water carriers for the Labor Party - policing the extraparliamentary left.
In actuality, they are a cult where the people a the top reap and the high turnover rank and file are exploited.
They run a mile from direct action. Cattle drives from A to B and closed platforms is as far as their imagination stretches or their control extends. They abandon resisters - even nonviolent ones - in the anti-war movement or this one. Their agenda, of what is politically significant, is set by the mainstream media. They are ambulance chasers the prize is brand enhancement and recruitment to keep the cult/ machine going.
h
@h
28.05.2013 22:31
unfounded bull
Knocking on the door of "da feds".
28.05.2013 22:51
Meh, the guy joined the Army to die. And now here you are bleating and whining about it.
"What about all those people who posted comments on news articles offer condolences and messages of support and sorrow?
The only people who don't care are you and the other cronies on Internet asshole sites like indymedia"
The same internet asshole site that you are whining and bleating on. You are a hypocrit.
"Yes., Karma is killing the Afgans because they have spent years sending heroin to the west to kill our youth - all for profit."
Your youth take herion because they cannot stand the country you have made for them. They have a need to medicate themselves to escape the mind destroying banality of this disastrous hole you call freedom. In the US, the only way for the government to keep control over its people and its prison population is to feed them herion and opium. If the Afghani's don't supply it, you and the Amerikana will fight to find another supplier. Without a drugged population, your entire society would blow its lid and you would come to a violent, sticky and shocking end.
"Racist"
Hypocrit.
"Fool. The taliban treat woman as 3rd class people. They beat them for getting an education. They are not people. They are repressive and therefore must be challenged and campaigned against."
You treat women as third class citizens, so do your mates. So what?
If you hate the Afghani people so much, go to Afghanistan and tell everybody you meet all about it. But that's not going to happen is it because you have no courage to do anything other than spit from a distance.
Spitting will not win this war...killing British soldiers in the place they call home will win this war.
anonymous
SWP class traitors
28.05.2013 23:08
Papillon
you lose
29.05.2013 07:32
Under 18yo rap-speak in attempt to look street-wise
Who the fuck says "Feds" except the youth who try to look cool init
> Your youth take herion because they cannot stand the country you have made for them. They have a need to medicate themselves to escape the mind destroying banality of this disastrous hole you call freedom. In the US, the only way for the government to keep control over its people and its prison population is to feed them herion and opium. If the Afghani's don't supply it, you and the Amerikana will fight to find another supplier. Without a drugged population, your entire society would blow its lid and you would come to a violent, sticky and shocking end.
Clearly you have never been to this country.
Yes. And now you are whining that we dont like it. Tough!
> You treat women as third class citizens, so do your mates. So what?
But not as anywhere near as bad as you lot! At least we let women dress normally, and dont force them to cover up in a giant tent with a tiny meshed window.
> If you hate the Afghani people so much, go to Afghanistan and tell everybody you meet all about it. But that's not going to happen is it because you have no courage to do anything other than spit from a distance.
I'd never go to Afghanistan. Its the last place i'd go. Why don't you go if its so great there?
> Spitting will not win this war...killing British soldiers in the place they call home will win this war.
Takes 2 of you to kill 1 of us. Do the maths ------> you lose.
you lose
Bashed.
29.05.2013 10:30
Who the fuck says "Feds" except the youth who try to look cool init"
I don't understand any of that...but clearly you do!
"Clearly you have never been to this country.
Yes. And now you are whining that we dont like it. Tough!"
I am white English born and bred in London...and yes, that should worry you. It should worry you that I am completely undetectable in England and I hold views that are truly revolutionary. Jihadi's are my freinds but only in as much as they keep you busy while I am busy. I have no known foes, nobody can see me let alone challenge me. Only my "anonymity" is visible. You might like to believe that i am a foreigner...and that suits me for the present. When I and my freinds finally emerge, you will have little or nothing to say about that. On that you have my word.
"But not as anywhere near as bad as you lot! At least we let women dress normally, and dont force them to cover up in a giant tent with a tiny meshed window."
I don't understand any of that...but clearly you do!
"I'd never go to Afghanistan. Its the last place i'd go. Why don't you go if its so great there?"
I asked you to go to Afghanistan and let them know how much you hate them. As expected you are not up to the challenge. Stupidly, you can't even say otherwise on the internet. What a fool are you.
"Takes 2 of you to kill 1 of us. Do the maths ------> you lose."
55 Million English in this world, 2.4 Billion of "us".
The maths are fine.
Our losses are hardly noticeable, yours horrific.
anonymous
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29.05.2013 12:39
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29.05.2013 14:04
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Stating the obvious, and other distractions.
29.05.2013 14:10
Sure, whatever you say. Endlessly repeating your stupidity is the best you have its true. But its not a defence, not in this or any other world. Nobody cares, nobody is listening.
"The British Army.are there to train the Afghan army and police so they can stop the scumbag Taliban from taking control"
The British Army will crawl out of the country one night under cover of darkness and only then will you finally STFU. As it was in Iraq, so it will be in Afghanistan. The truth is ours, not yours. Your failure will go on and on. We are here to ensure it. When the British Army leave, the Taliban will have won and the people of Afghanistan will be rid of you for good. Nothing will change in Afghanistan. The Taliban's greatest ally, is English stupidity. As aresult of English stupidity, the Taliban are stringer now than they have ever been in the past. You have ensured their political future for many many generations to come. It is the will of the people of Afghanistan.
"The Taliban were keeping Afghanistan in the dark ages."
You live in your own dark age. Its why you are the way you are. You speak the truth, but not the truth you think you speak. What you think you mean, is not what people take you to mean. Your own false sense of superiority is your greatest handicap. You do this...because you are not free. That is why you are in Afghanistan, because you are not free and you wish to lionise that lie by creating a prison in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not free, because you have denied them their own freedom and then held the crime up for the rest of your countrymen to observe. By observing this lie, your countrymen are fooled into believeing they are free. You do this...because you are not free.
"It great that people like you exist, as people like you are the reason the vast majority of Britain will ignore the far left."
The people of Britain don't care about you and your left/right-wing nonsense.
The people of Britain care as much about that, as they do for warmongering soldiers and their party politicised English flags.
And Englishman...in New York.
Good lord!
29.05.2013 14:12
Then why bring it up then?
Are you a fool?
anonymous
wankers
29.05.2013 17:06
"The SWP are revolutionary socialists, specifically Trotskyists, they are NOT 'liberals' "
- No they're not. They're just a bunch of wankers
against police snitches - tar&feather all police snitches
@anonymous
29.05.2013 17:50
You havn't got any friends. And you are impotent. An impotent closet homo.
the real anonymous
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29.05.2013 19:01
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Defanging the cowardly lion.
29.05.2013 19:11
Spit some more and tell yourself it means something.
We have a war to win.
anonymous
Moral squalor.
29.05.2013 19:29
I saw the flowers today smothered in nationalist flags. Our local pound shop gets a bigger queue for teabags on Mondays.
British soldiers are part of a force in Afghanistan that is not wanted and children and women have been, and are dying. They are there and children and women are dying. You seem to be under the illusion that the British Army can be in Afghanistan and can be completely immune from what the force they are a part of is doing. I couldn't care less about your self imposed failure to see what is right under your nose. I don't care. The British people don't care.
No person who supports the occupation of Afghanistan has the right to also claim a moral stance on female emancipation. You support the occupation of Afghanistan and that disqualifies you from claiming a moral stance on female emancipation. The fact that you are attempting to do that clearly demarks you as immoral and struck low by your own moral squalor. I will do nothing to give you a moral cheque book to spread your squalor elsewhere using the better morality of my words.
Why would I argue with you on a subject you have no right to talk about?
Why would I or any other right thinking person do that?
anonymous
Yes but
29.05.2013 19:40
Prosecution rests.
checkmate
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30.05.2013 08:15
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Wordplay for heroes.
30.05.2013 10:24
That statement is perfectly true.
Now replace the words "people" in that sentence with the word "soldiers" and you have a statement that is supremely true, and a much better indication of the lie that you are trying to build.
anonymous