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Cardiff "punk" is UKBA thug

Real Punk | 23.10.2012 11:05 | Anti-racism | Culture | Migration

The horrific snatching of the Saleh family in Cardiff last week was caught on video:  http://youtu.be/N1NXwTOnzp8 singer in local "punk" band SOLUTIONS, Nicky Williams, can be seen working for UKBA.

"Self Styled Superiority"
"Self Styled Superiority"

"Racist Friend"
"Racist Friend"

"Just Don't Say You Lost it"
"Just Don't Say You Lost it"


In order to make people aware of the extreme nature of Nicky's dayjob, this facebook page was set up:  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Member-of-Cardiff-punk-band-Solutions-works-for-UK-Border-Agency/292881164156632

Please be warned that Nicky's father, Gagz Willaims (singer in the punk band NO CHOICE) has threatened violence against anyone who upsets his son.

More details on the band:  https://twitter.com/solutionsmusic /  solutionsmusic@gmail.com

If you are considering booking SOLUTIONS for a gig, we suggest you think again.

The campaign to stop the deportation of the Saleh family continues:  http://wssagwales.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/mrs-saleh-and-family-belong-in-cardiff/

Real Punk
- e-mail: againstnick@hotmail.com
- Homepage: http://youtu.be/N1NXwTOnzp8

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What a piece of shit

23.10.2012 11:15

I can imagine the remnants of icons of filth not being too pleased with this prick's attire.

HCP

Seems to be working

23.10.2012 14:14

from the band's twitter:

"The release of our new record and any future shows are currently cancelled until further notice. We will keep you updated here ~ Solutions"

 https://twitter.com/solutionsmusic/status/260743242654564352

I'm sure they will reappear at some sort of Blood & Honour event in a a while though

Dave

Do any of you have any idea what has actually happened here?

23.10.2012 15:04

Do any of you know this person personally?
Do you know the ACTUAL situation behind what has happened?
Have you realised the people behind the hate-page are using propaganda (a practice used by the same affiliation they seem to be using as an insensitive label?) to ruin the reputation of not only an individual but all associated with him?
Guilty by association is fair is it?
No, You have jumped on the band-wagon after being fed strategically twisted half-truths by a group of disgruntled internet warriors.
Apparently ruining the reputation of a band who merely wrote music with no political agenda or malice and spreading sensationalist rumours is completely justified.
One day you will all grow up, until then, I hope the knowledge that you have helped in the bullshit harassment and non-sensical spreading of vicious associations keeps you warm behind your computer screen shield.
Kudos to you all.


John

@ John

23.10.2012 15:20

Leave it out John, we can all see the video. He works as a bootboy for a racist system. End of.

Have you watched it?:  http://youtu.be/N1NXwTOnzp8

He's probably doing the same thing to some else today.

the video says it all

wel done

23.10.2012 15:25

well done to the camra man that filmed those nazi pig monsters doing their filthy work,,,without evidence people would be less aware..buy a drink for videomaker...and keep up the struggle..soon we shall all begin to surround these deporters and put them on the planes they use to persecute the innocent and defenceless members of our communitys...as for the so called punk band.. wot a fukin wanker ..is he playing fukingham palace tonight at the invitation of his paymaster??? with daddy in bow tie...tossers

rasta

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Get a grip

23.10.2012 15:35

You're morons. End of.

John

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I thought this page didn't agree with censorship?

23.10.2012 16:18

Yet my latest comment was removed.
So I will repeat it.


YOU'RE MORONS. END OF.

John

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yeh mannnn

23.10.2012 16:19

John here again, Apparently I can't post under my own name anymore.


Censorship???


YOU'RE ALL FUCKING MORONS!!!!!

Tom

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....

23.10.2012 16:34

So it's ok to come on here and publicly discredit someone you don't even know, nor ACTUALLY have any fucking idea of the real story behind this, yet I'm censored for calling you out?

You are a fucking joke and clearly the admin of this page.

I don't see you victimizing the other officers involved?
No you've just joined in the bogus witch-hunt.

And you have the nerve to call him a nazi, irony.

Tom Jones

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Fuck the nazi's...

23.10.2012 16:46

By nazi's i mean YOU!

They used censorship and propaganda....so do you.
Yet you feel you have the right to do the same here and use that term against someone you know NOTHING about.

Quite simply, fuck you all you self-righteous internet heroes.

Ed

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yeah fuck the UKBA nazis

23.10.2012 17:36

Fucking pathetic how low Nicky and his mates are willing to go

antifa lad

we know all we need to know

23.10.2012 17:38

We know all we need to know. We don't need to know personbally this sorry excuse for human being. He is working for UKBA ruining people's lifes and seems happy to do it. Just doing his job? That excuse stopped being fashinable after II WW :)

anarchist

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antifa lad

23.10.2012 18:11

Think you read that a bit wrong chief....I was saying 'fuck you' to all of you single-minded retards!
Oh, and anarchist....You're really fucking the man posting on the internet aren't you, can i book you in for an interview?
Fucking morons.

Ed sheeran

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CUNTS

23.10.2012 18:38

You are no better then the cause you are trying to protest against, fighting a cause with hate is utterly pointless. Will picking on Nicky bring the family back? NO. Will singling him out change the system? NO. It seems this has turned into an excuse to bully this poor bloke, putting more attention onto the band (who never claimed to be punk, they were just pigeon holed that) then the actual evicted family. If you care that much, go and protest somewhere it will make a difference, go to Egypt yourselves and protect the family. What difference do you think a fucking facebook war will make?! Even the girl whose family is involved ask for the situatiuon to become civil, if you respected her and her family that much, you would have listened and stopped this hate campaign! Laws have to be upheld, whether you agree with them or not, that is Britain, that is the law. If it's so bad, then why settle here in the first place? This page on facebook is ridiculous and it seems more people are defending Nicky than agreeing with it anyway. Thank god there are still some sane people in the world....

Helena

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P.S

23.10.2012 18:56

You call Nicky and his friends pathetic for 'stooping so low'. What you have done with this forum, and facebook page is stooping to the same level. Hypocritical morons. Get a job

helena

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LOL

23.10.2012 19:34

"get a job" on Indymedia in 2012. Who wants to bet Hellena is an EDL "angel"

IMCista

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So you're only allowed to express a narrow-minded opinion on here?

23.10.2012 19:51

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Hahahahahaa!!!

23.10.2012 19:54

Glad to see valid points of opposition against this pagebeing deleted! Don't dish it out if you can't take it! Nice to know our points are hitting a nerve by being deleted :D

SUPPORT NICKY!!!!!!

Helena

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Whey!!

23.10.2012 19:58

I FUCKING LOVE SOLUTIONS

Aragorn

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Don't be nasty

23.10.2012 19:59

Have a pasty

Cornish cunt

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Solutions

23.10.2012 20:00

Are fit

Mystic meg

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Inejdk

23.10.2012 20:02

It's okay to voice your
Opinion, as long as it matches ours

Hypocrisy Herbert

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:)

23.10.2012 20:10

Roses are red
Violets are blue
This who things a farce
Fuck you

The lion king

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:D

23.10.2012 20:11

Love shine a light in every corner of my heart

Katrina and the waves

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Nmdmwfmwfmafmw

23.10.2012 20:12

Skodkdkdlxkdldkkrformfofmfomfifmodlslalamfhmdkdnd

Donkey kong

Hmm

23.10.2012 20:13

My spider sense is tingling

Spider-Man

Can his supporters give us the "real story" then?

23.10.2012 20:14

All the people here supporting this guy claim we don't know the "real story" - well why not give it to us then? Even if your comment gets hidden we can still read the hidden posts.

Maybe he was working undercover to expose their racist practices?

Also, thanks for confirming it actually is the real guy, if any of us were in doubt ;-)

anon

What's the point?

23.10.2012 20:20

Of trying to 'give the real story' when you people are already so certain
You know all the facts, and somehow you know what he is like as an individual just because he's doing a certain job? You obviously knew it was him from
The video and the clear photos. There's no point running around in circles, because you'll find a way to twist it just how you've twisted this situation. Like I said before the girl whose family
Is involved asked for a civil outcome. Shouldn't she be the person to be respected and listened to in this? This is the last I'll say on the matter because its not worth talking to
Close minded people.

Helena

Its not just this family

23.10.2012 20:25

it's all the other people Nicky stuffs into vans at dawn every day when he goes to work.

He is doing the devils work. End of. If anyone wants to announce the names of other UKBA officers anywhere in the UK, we'd like to expose them

Gareth

Fuck this Jack-Ass and his band!!!!!

23.10.2012 21:04


Ok Helena, you admit that the drugged up tosser posing as a punk is a UKBA employee. That's enough, fucking idiot, I hope he gets what is coming to him.

@

@Helena

23.10.2012 21:32

I'm perfectly willing to hear your version of the "real story" if you want to post it. So why don't you? Maybe because there is no "real story"except he works for the iron fist of the nanny state by choice?

And I'm being civil here.

anon

My last post

23.10.2012 21:55

I feel bad for posting on here now as I feel I've made the situation for nicky worst. Preach your hate as much as you want. I'm just going to encourage people to ignore you. I just find it upsetting that this has turned into harassment for a nice guy that you would probably get on with if it wasn't for being judged for his job. The last thing I will say, is there will always be people working for the UKBA, whether they're in a band or not, I don't feel they have the right to be targeted or having their pictures published for upholding the law for an otherwise accommodating country. You've gone from trying to help a victimised family to victimising someone else, and no matter what morals are behind it, it's still wrong. I will not be posting again and will let you get on with it.

Helena

Fuck yourself Nicky

23.10.2012 21:56

You think you're a punk? You're in the wrong job mate. Leave it. Now.
Justice for the Saleh family! Justice for every other migrant this pathetic tosser has ever laid his hands on.

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Helena

23.10.2012 22:48

" You've gone from trying to help a victimised family to victimising someone else, and no matter what morals are behind it, it's still wrong."

And who was victimising the family?

The best thing for traumatised kids who have had to flee oppression is to be woken in the early morning by a bunch of uniformed thugs come to take their dad away, or even them along with dad and mum. Would you agree with that?

The fact that there are lots of people willing to do it doesn't make it right.

It seems you were wrong about the band never claiming to be punk - because on their myspace page they bill themselves as "a progressive punk rock band from Cardiff"  http://www.myspace.com/solutionsmusic

You're also wrong about opposing POVs being censored - its abuse that isn't welcome.

So, if you want a civil conversation as you keep insisting one of the family members requested, then practice what you preach.

There is nothing progressive about breaking up families in dawn raids and sending people back to oppressive situations, regardless of whether some arsehole says its legal or not.

IMCista

you can find him at...

24.10.2012 09:04

 https://www.facebook.com/nicky.a.williams.1

just saying

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oh well

24.10.2012 12:22

"Oh well, whatever, nevermind!"

k.cobain

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I am work for the UK Border Agency and am fucking proud of it!

24.10.2012 16:23

I work for the UK Border Agency and am fucking proud of it! Leave that guy alone or there will be serious trouble for you anarchist scum!
 http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk

UK border agency worker

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just a thought

24.10.2012 16:25

UKBA-1...no border bummers -0! "You faught the law...the law won!"

milky

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oh well....

24.10.2012 18:16

UKBA 1....no boarder scum 0. THERE WILL NEVER BE "no borders" stop dreaming! You skip diving fucks.

jack

Let him rot.

25.10.2012 10:36

This Nicky or whatever his name is is bottom feeding scum. Do not support his band, do not support his friends. Do not tolerate those who try to defend him.

He has nothing to say and we have no reason to help him defend himself.

Make an example of him and let him live the injustice he forces on others.

No justice, no peace.

anonymous

Just watched the video and have to say...

25.10.2012 12:09

Nicky you life destroying collaborating fucking piece of shit. And you posing as a punk, shit that boils my blood.

Damn you, your friends and apologists.


Your day will come...

Barry Cade

All UKBA are scum

25.10.2012 21:00

"Real anarchist violence ceases where the need for defence and liberation ceases."
Self defence is no offence when used against those with no morals stick their snout in capitalism's trough.

m

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26.10.2012 15:25

Shut up you fucking hippies. Get a job.

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I'll Say it again...

26.10.2012 15:40

SHUT UP YOU FUCKING HIPPIES>>>GET A JOB! And if you already have one and pay tax....THEN YOU HELP FUND THE UKBA ANYWAY YOU MORONS

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Also

26.10.2012 17:18

If you are on Job Seekers Allowance, which I'm sure most of you probably do. Nicky and other UKBA employees pay tax which will go towards your benefits. So some UKBA are paying for you to live.

Also if you do have a job and pay tax, your money goes towards funding the UKBA.

QUIT YOUR JOBS. DON'T CLAIM BENIFITS

YOU ARE FUNDING THE UKBA

YOU ARE LIVING OFF THEM

UKBASTARDS!!!!

Jsmsksmss

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Typo correct

26.10.2012 17:24

'If you are on Jobseeker's Allowance, which I'm sure most of you are'

Before I get attacked for being r tarded

Ksjskss

UK Border Agency head office address

27.10.2012 15:20

This is the address of the UK Border Agency head office, give the bastards a visit.
UK Border Agency
The Capital
New Hall Place
Liverpool
L3 9PP

Malatesta

'real punks' ?!

29.10.2012 02:12

what a load of hypocritical, juvenile rubbish.

Half of you are in your 40s and should know better (for starters) than to TRY and tarnish a good person and bands reputation without knowing him and the actual facts.

Also, if you feel the need to constantly label yourselves as something, may i suggest thugs rather than punk - as you are giving it a VERY bad name (like Nicky has apparently done)

The question is, should we be looking up to people like you - who think it's okay to single out, threaten violence and abuse someone (like Nicky has apparently done)

As for a father sticking up for his child after witnessing abuse and threats of violence on Facebook etc - good on him - as if you would not do the same for your children.

I hope you can see how hypocritical you are being.
If you don't want a person to be/act a certain way - don't do/act the same.

n/a

Depends on what his job at UKBA is...

29.10.2012 13:05

If he is just working for, say, administration there - I'd say leave the poor sod alone, he won't be the first punk (or any other working-class person) forced to earn a living by working for an unsavoury organisation and he won't be the last.

Although if he's part of the snatch squads, then he's no better than a cop - and I'll thus happily boycott his band and anything he's associated with.

"pathetic liberal"

what a farce ...

29.10.2012 13:30

so what your saying is he is allowed to work for the ukba as long he doesn't do the physical side?

do you realise how stupid that sounds - if you silly bullies are going to insist on boycotting a GOOD bands gig at least stand by what your saying and don't have rules for one person and then rules for another.

Paperwork/administation was almost definitely the main key in the family being removed - The people who removed them are following orders from the gathering of paperwork.

it continues to make you sound more and more hypocritical.



n/a

Lifestylists...

29.10.2012 13:34

...you gotta love 'em. *sigh*

"pathetic liberal"

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Plastic lacky.

29.10.2012 17:26

What is clear in all this is that Nicky is just a goon going through the lifestyle of a radical punk but its all a fraud. What do you expect from the middle class. He's just a tool and he's the states tool. He has no problem in doing the states dirty work and he takes the states shilling for it.

Its not a question of not knowing the facts, its a question of not tolerating this imbecile and all the excuses he has lined up to defend himself. He himself along with the meatheads that work alongside him know that what they are doing is wrong but they dont have the courage, sense of justice or morality needed to overturn the stupidity of what it is they are doing.

For Nicky, its just a job. He just isn't capable of understanding the misery he is causing. No more than he is capable of understanding what it is to be a punk.

Nicky is nothing more than a plastic twat who thinks he can explain his way out of anything because he thinks the whole world is as dumb and as stupid as he is.

These are the qualities the UKBA are looking for when they recruit.

These are the reasons we have cause to oppose the UKBA and everything they represent.

anonymous

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Nick the flunky!

29.10.2012 17:32

" ...you gotta love 'em. *sigh*"

The middle classes are such fucking losers they really are. Trying to claim they are punks while working for the filth...jees!

Goblins

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have any of you actually met Nicky?! ... no?! i thought not

29.10.2012 19:12

seriously?!
All you do is throw insults and accusations at him - you have no substance. You think you know him, you think you know what he thinks.
YOU DON'T!!!

It's embarrassing to read.
If you want to help the family out, do something other than throw slanderous comments around.

Those who know Nicky will continue to support and promote him and his band, because they are clever enough to ignore your foul language and vile comments.



n/a

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I know Nicky

29.10.2012 19:34

He's a shallow two faced wanker.

Drew Wade

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People

29.10.2012 20:49

People still care about this?

Boring

Anon

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zzzzz

29.10.2012 21:31

haha thanks for proving my point.

just insults - no substance

good night :-)


n/a

zzzzzzz.

29.10.2012 22:26

haha thanks for proving my point.

just insults - no substance

good night :-)


n/a

Shame on you indymedia...

30.10.2012 00:07

I am Nicky's father and regardless of what you think of him working for ukba, you really should have found out a bit more about this before you took on this page. Just to put some people straight... theres has been lies, half truths, threats made by these spineless facebook warriors who, when questioned and factually put straight chose to delete those posts. They then chose to say i was making threats to them when i actually said i would do the same back to whoever tried this...what father wouldnt say this ? The sister of the saleh family chose to put a post up saying she had written to me asking me to "calm things down" ? She never did and at exactly the same time someone else posted that i was the on;y one who had made threats ? Obviously when i checked to see the original threats posted by the Saleh family supporters.....They had been taken down ? What a surprise, Thought i was reading the daily fuckin mail ! Now this on here ? a site i always had time for. Fuck sake, my band has done christ knows how many gigs for CAN and many other causes we like to help and i cannot believe how these people distort or hide the truth to suit their cause., my son has a job in ukba...so does that really deserve him being on the end of a blinkered hate campaign with people wanting him glassed or sliced up ??/ No it fuckin does not ! Fuck CAN and their witch hunt. I am sorry that this family has been deported and i am sorry that people i trusted turned out to be so hate filled and blinkered. I hope this doesnt get deleted like a lot of other messages they didnt agree with were ??? Shame on you indymedia !!!!!

Gagz

Put what straight Gagz???

30.10.2012 07:30

What exactly is there to put straight??? Your son is an enforcer for a brutal and racist system, he does horrific violent and disgusting things for money.

Former no choice fan

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Control.

30.10.2012 13:08

Why delete my comments? because you know you are in the wrong and you don't like being made to look like the hypocrits you are!??
I thought punk was about freedom of speech?!!!

as i said there is no substance to you arguments, just insults. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Get a grip and support the family rather than than falsely accuse a guy for a doing a job.

n/a

UKBA injustices.

30.10.2012 15:20

Its a sad sad thing you're doing and no mistake. Hang your head low.

What the hell do you think you're doing defending your son working at UKBA while claiming you support IMC!

What the fuck are you doing here?

There is absolutely no part of the UKBA's work that we support. We DO NOT support those who work for it. We DO NOT support those who spend their time apologizing for the things it does.

You shouldn't have been here to start with. You absolutely are not something we want to support and you are COMPLETELY wrong to try to suggest that you have anything at all in common with us.

It is plainly obvious your son has simply used Indymedia to appropriate support for his band and its even more plainly obvious that you and your son are the kind of exploititive people that we are well rid of.

We DO NOT need your kind of shallow crap.

anonymous

@Gagz

30.10.2012 19:20

"Just to put some people straight... theres has been lies, half truths, threats made by these spineless facebook warriors..."

OK, please go ahead and explain any significant lies and half truths?

Because at the moment no-one seems to have explained how this guy can justify what he does for a living.

anonymous

The crux of this is argument is- do you think what the UKBA does is good or bad?

30.10.2012 21:25

This is not a meaningless hate campaign- this is a number of posts and comments on various web sites stating that Nicky works for the UKBA, is in a punk band and arguing that what he does at the UKBA is disgusting. Any threats that may or not have been made or the ins and outs of the case are not relevant to the main argument going on here: that immigration controls are fundamentally unfair, cruel and inhuman and that what the UKBA does is also such.

The reason why Nicky may be attracting such hate is because he has been seen as part of a team who are enforcing, in a brutal way, the forced removal of a mother and her children from their home. Further reasons he is attracting so much hate is because he is a person who has previously shown support for anarchist causes, he is fan of anarcho punk bands and he is in band people were led to believe were progressive. It makes total sense there has been such anger. It shows that Nicky must have never had any real understanding of the politics of some of the bands he has tattoed on himself- if he did then he would know that a belief in freedom, justice and equality can not go hand in hand with working for the UKBA. Their system can never be fair- the reasons people move around are multitude and the history of the reason people wish to move goes back hundreds of years, due to imperialism, slavery, wars- they are here because we were there.

Apart from this the UKBA detain children, pregnant women, people who have been tortured, raped, people who are ill. People have died during and after being deported. Children are woken up at dawn by the UKBA and put into vans.People are restrained, beaten, handcuffed on planes to force them to fly. By defending Nicky you defend this. This is happening in your city, it is not propaganda.

Someone has asked that if it so bad in the UK then why do they want to stay here? Because where they have left is so much worse.

The so-called hate campaign against Nicky has has not detracted in any way from the support campaign for the family, but merely reflected its passion and determination.

So yes, fuck you Nicky. You deserve nothing but hate. You are not the only one, but you are one that we know. So this is why you have your own hate campaign.

I generally like people

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31.10.2012 08:19

You're pathetic. You talk of freedom and justice, yet you one sided condemn a man and all associated with him. Congratulations on the hypocrites you all are. Grow the fuck up and realise NONE of this will change a thing.
I wonder how long this will take to get deleted...

Anti-Hypocrites

Can I just ask?

31.10.2012 10:03

Those against the UKBA etc.

Do you agree/disagree with the deportation of terrorists?

E.g most recently Abu Qadata?

I'm just interested to know your views

Bob

P.S

31.10.2012 10:08

Also the link to this you've posted on Facebook is showing the comments you've hidden

Just thought you might like to know so you can censor it all again

Bob

More apologies!

31.10.2012 15:41

"Those against the UKBA etc.

Do you agree/disagree with the deportation of terrorists?

E.g most recently Abu Qadata?

I'm just interested to know your views"



My view is that the UKBA and Nicky have deported a family with children. This is how it happened:  http://youtu.be/N1NXwTOnzp8

They do this all the time...in fact, that makes up the bulk of their daily work.

This is what the UKBA do, its why they exist.

While they do this, they prevent people as much as possible from recording their activity because they know its wrong. They assume that the public are always to blame for their own misfortune but they never include themselves in this. Most of them are bent and habitually dishonest. Indeed, these are the qualities the UKBA are looking for in those they recruit. As a recruit, you must by malable, easily led and very impressionable. Intelligent and educated people cannot do this work because they understand that government departments like the UKBA are the result of failed policy, failed political parties and failed media campaigns to demonise immigrants in the UK.

Political parties want these people in the UK because they facilitate cheap labor for business and industry but they also want to ensure that their friends in the tabloid press can paint them as being 'tough' on immigration because this appeals to the badly educated zenophobic voter, which is prettly much all the mainstream political parties have access to these days. Intelligent people avoid any interaction with this at all because it is morally wrong as well as politically wrong.

The UKBA are the dregs from the streets. They are nothing more than the cheap and badly educated trash you pick up from the street to make the policy stick in place so you have a manageable immigration policy, it doesn't need to be effective, it just needs to be executable and displayable in public.

This family were not terrorists as you well know and it is frankly disgusting that you would try to tar them with somebody else brush. That is truly despicable of you to do this. You should be ashamed of yourself.

anonymous

Twisted

31.10.2012 16:09

I did not call the Saleh family terrorists, nor was it implied. I did not mention them at all. It was a completely different question, relating to an aspect of this subject. Although thank you for trying to twist it.

I was asking about deportation in more of a general way.

I was asking if you would feel the same about terrorists being deported?

I personally feel bad for the family, and it sucks.

However I do not feel bad for terrorists who are a threat to people in this country.

I was merely intrigued to see what would be said when looked at from a different angle. Seeing as this has been blown out of proportion anyway


Bob

P.S

31.10.2012 16:12

Thanks for proving how you will twist any comment made though ;)

Bob

AND

31.10.2012 16:16

Just to make it clear and so nothing can be twisted, I am talking about just terrorists. No other family, not the Saleh family. JUST terrorists.

CLEAR ENOUGH YEAH?

Bob

I KNOW THE REAL STORY, I WAS THERE.

31.10.2012 18:05

YOU HAVE THE GALL TO CALL ME AN 'INTERNET WARRIOR', JOHN?
YOU THINK I HIDE BEHIND MY KEYBOARD?
WHEN I WAS PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED BY A LARGE MALE POLICE OFFICER WHILST I CLUNG TO THE GATES TO STOP THEM TAKING MY FRIEND'S FAMILY?
YOU HAVE THE IGNORANCE TO SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW THE REAL STORY?

I KNOW THAT MY BEST FRIEND'S FAMILY WAS TORN AWAY FROM HER, IN FRONT OF HER EYES, WHILST WE STOOD AND WATCHED. KNOWING THEY WILL BE SENT TO THEIR DEATHS AND TORTURE.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT WILL MAKE ME THINK THAT THIS GUY IS ANY LESS OF A WANKER FOR DOING THAT JOB.


however.I hope people will one day realize what is important at the moment, that we can show the UKBA we are NOT weak, and we will not put up with their shit. Now we have to continue fighting the legal battles, instead of in fighting between our peer groups. Yes, working for the UKBA is fucking wrong and evil. I hope none of my friends would do it. However, I am not going to dedicate my time to persecuting one of the people who works there. Instead, I am going to try my best to change things.

a very upset and injured 19 year old.

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just a thought

31.10.2012 20:37

To the 19 year old in question...MAN UP! If you're gonna fuck with the law, you deserve everything that happened to you. Now where did I put that screwdriver CD???

milky

@"pathetic liberal"

01.11.2012 15:02

Working in any way for the UKBA you are a collaborating shit without morals and void of empathy, a dangerous individual I would say. As it happens this prick is part of the snatch squads as you can see on the video posted. Look for the wanker with the tattoos...

Enough Said!

Barry Cade

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1+2 =

01.11.2012 18:32

FUCK YOU!
This is boring now. Enjoy your ivory tower you self-righteous fucktards. Let's hope you never do anything disagreeable, might find yourself on the end of a fucking retarded smear campaign.
You're not politicians, you're not the media, your opinion is full of double-standards and hypocrisy. You're so blind to the injustices you place on people for them not living up to your ideal, it's pathetic. What happened to the family is awful and this has completely taken away from the ACTUAL issue here.
I have NO DOUBT that this post will be 'hidden', but unluckily for you a certain link shows ALL of the hidden posts.
Shame people get to see your double-standards for themselves eh.
Don't bother coming back with the same bullshit you've all been spouting, I am confident you will repeat the same tired points that merely show how immature and stupid you all really are.
Thankyou and goodnight, you fucking morons.

You're good old friend, Bob.

Jim Beam

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From your own editorial guidelines....

02.11.2012 08:24

Reasons as to why comments may be hidden:
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If these are your guidelines....this whole thread should be hidden.
Although hidden comments can still be seen, I'm fine with outlining your hypocrisy though so please carry on.

N/A

"progressive"

02.11.2012 09:59

The outing of Nicky Williams has caused considerable friction in the Cardiff punk scene with many other local musicians speaking out in his defence and supporting the "good work" that UKBA do. Most vocally Nicky's father, Gagz, singer in NO CHOICE, and numerous others.

The way in which they have closed ranks to defend both a racist thug and a racist system has exposed the fact that the politics behind thier lyrics has been nothing but a pose.

It appears that SOLUTIONS are on a hiatus out of shame:  https://twitter.com/solutionsmusic but the way in which so many others who claim to be "progressive" in the punk scene are willing to attack anti-racists and migrants for daring to expose this thug needs to be addressed.

Bristolian

There's no politics behind their lyrics

02.11.2012 11:26

If you've ever actually listened/read their lyrics, there is NOTHING of any political content nor connotations in their songs.
It's music for the sake of loving music, a completely seperate entity to what you assume it should be about.
So you're entire argument (speaking to the bristolian) is completely flawed and innacurate.
More than likely a disgruntled punk fan who simply doesn't like the band for no other reason than you don't find the music appealing.
If you had any idea of their lyrical content, you would know that there is NO POLITICS behind it.
Whether you agree that this is 'punk' or not, is entirely your opinion and a side-line to the hypocrisy you are all displaying.
The situation for all involved is ugly, but at least get your facts straight before attempting to use it as ANOTHER wishy-washy excuse to slander a man/bands name.

Fact-finder

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@"fact-finder"

02.11.2012 12:08

You this is because people don't like the music??? Get a grip!

Here is an interview where the band where they clearly state the politics they claim to represent:  http://www.punkoiuk.co.uk/interviews/no_choice.htm

Bristolian

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Apologies

02.11.2012 12:35

It reads as if you were stating solutions had political content.


Saying that, I'm fairly sure Gagz + No Choice have done more for political causes then posting a thread on a forum.

I'm sure you feel pretty superior on your moral high-horse so enjoy it.

Fact-Finder

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P.S.

02.11.2012 12:37

Solutions are not on hiatus due to 'shame', they are on hiatus due to threats being made to each and every member.

Fact-Finder

P.P.S

02.11.2012 12:49

You think a father will disown his son because his job disagrees with his bands' politics?
You get a grip!

Fact-Finder

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P.P.P.S

02.11.2012 13:33

You've used an interview from the year 2000/2001 for your argument.
Not that their ethics have changed much in that time, but it's a little bit dated to be throwing it in as evidence for your 'opinion' (which let's remember, is an opinion).

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P.P.P.S

02.11.2012 13:34

You've used an interview from the year 2000/2001 for your argument.
Not that their ethics have changed much in that time, but it's a little bit dated to be throwing in as evidence for your 'opinion' (which let's remember, is an opinion).

Fact-Finder

Q@Fact-finder . Can I get some clarification on what the fuck you are spouting..

02.11.2012 17:56

.. as I assume you are saying that due to the fact the band through its music has no discernible interest in political issues and by that logic that justifies a non reaction from civilised society as to what a member of this said band does for a living ie Completely destroying the lives of our fellow human beings?


Please respond!

Barry Cade

Certainly...

02.11.2012 18:30

It brings in to question what his band/fellow band-members have to do with any of this?
Take your aggression out on the individual if that tickles your tits, but don't then drag all associated with him through the mud also.
This whole thread/facebook page has become so far from the issue and truth it is laughable.
The constant censoring of anyone opposed to 'the left's' stance shows how deep the hypocrisy goes - 'If you don't agree with us then fuck off'.
Yet you have the stones to call this lad a Nazi?
Which not only de-values the atrocities that happened then, but shows the true immaturity of this entire campaign.
I have no doubt solutions will not go on as a result of this, so you have successfully ruined the reputation of one, and the hopes of 3 others. Congratulations to you all.
This will be my last post regardless of your replies, undoubtedly I could scroll back and see they will be exactly the same as previously posted.

Merry Christmas and a Happy Hypocrisy.
x

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Nicky, Gagz and the rest --- listen up

02.11.2012 21:01

Get the fuck out and never come back


No Nation - No Border

Fight Law & Order


Punk Y Bestia

Poser punks can fuck off

@Fact-finder

02.11.2012 21:52

The job of this character is so reprehensible that those who have been aware of his work position and think of it as simply irrevelant are equally void of empathy and worthy of our contempt and therefore the justification exists for criticising those apologists also. Open your eyes mate, its not about criticising some Faux punk dude or his band, its about so much more, the continous detention, abuse and murder of decent people the detention of little kids and the irreparable damage done to countless generations of families and friends that are torn apart everyday by these shits and thats just a short list!

Get a fucking conscience.


Just doing our job is a familiar response! We will never ever except that !

Barry Cade

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really?

02.11.2012 23:44

Oh shut up you pretentious twat. Get a fucking a job

james

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@james

03.11.2012 00:34

???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!aaaahhhhhhhh

The World

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STICK TO FACTS!

04.11.2012 11:23

have they EVER said that they have gone on 'hiatus out of shame' ?

yet again you people think it's okay to make assumptions.
Stick to the facts, stop your insults, because you are the ones who look stupid.

Because if i were to make an assumption i would say that they are on hiatus to avoid any threats being carried out by you thugs - which would be witnessed by their friends, fans and family.

We can assume as much as we like - at the end of the day - unless stated otherwise by Nicky or the band - you will NOT know the actual reason.








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