Cardiff "punk" is UKBA thug

What a piece of shit

23.10.2012 11:15

I can imagine the remnants of icons of filth not being too pleased with this prick's attire.

HCP

Seems to be working

23.10.2012 14:14

from the band's twitter:

"The release of our new record and any future shows are currently cancelled until further notice. We will keep you updated here ~ Solutions"

https://twitter.com/solutionsmusic/status/260743242654564352

I'm sure they will reappear at some sort of Blood & Honour event in a a while though

Dave

Do any of you have any idea what has actually happened here?

23.10.2012 15:04

Do any of you know this person personally?
Do you know the ACTUAL situation behind what has happened?
Have you realised the people behind the hate-page are using propaganda (a practice used by the same affiliation they seem to be using as an insensitive label?) to ruin the reputation of not only an individual but all associated with him?
Guilty by association is fair is it?
No, You have jumped on the band-wagon after being fed strategically twisted half-truths by a group of disgruntled internet warriors.
Apparently ruining the reputation of a band who merely wrote music with no political agenda or malice and spreading sensationalist rumours is completely justified.
One day you will all grow up, until then, I hope the knowledge that you have helped in the bullshit harassment and non-sensical spreading of vicious associations keeps you warm behind your computer screen shield.
Kudos to you all.

John

@ John

23.10.2012 15:20

Leave it out John, we can all see the video. He works as a bootboy for a racist system. End of.

Have you watched it?:

http://youtu.be/N1NXwTOnzp8

He's probably doing the same thing to some else today.

the video says it all

wel done

23.10.2012 15:25

well done to the camra man that filmed those nazi pig monsters doing their filthy work,,,without evidence people would be less aware..buy a drink for videomaker...and keep up the struggle..soon we shall all begin to surround these deporters and put them on the planes they use to persecute the innocent and defenceless members of our communitys...as for the so called punk band.. wot a fukin wanker ..is he playing fukingham palace tonight at the invitation of his paymaster??? with daddy in bow tie...tossers

rasta

we know all we need to know

23.10.2012 17:38

We know all we need to know. We don't need to know personbally this sorry excuse for human being. He is working for UKBA ruining people's lifes and seems happy to do it. Just doing his job? That excuse stopped being fashinable after II WW :)

anarchist

Hahahahahaa!!!

23.10.2012 19:54

Glad to see valid points of opposition against this pagebeing deleted! Don't dish it out if you can't take it! Nice to know our points are hitting a nerve by being deleted :D

SUPPORT NICKY!!!!!!

Helena

Hmm

23.10.2012 20:13

My spider sense is tingling

Spider-Man

Can his supporters give us the "real story" then?

23.10.2012 20:14

All the people here supporting this guy claim we don't know the "real story" - well why not give it to us then? Even if your comment gets hidden we can still read the hidden posts.

Maybe he was working undercover to expose their racist practices?

Also, thanks for confirming it actually is the real guy, if any of us were in doubt ;-)

anon

What's the point?

23.10.2012 20:20

Of trying to 'give the real story' when you people are already so certain
You know all the facts, and somehow you know what he is like as an individual just because he's doing a certain job? You obviously knew it was him from
The video and the clear photos. There's no point running around in circles, because you'll find a way to twist it just how you've twisted this situation. Like I said before the girl whose family
Is involved asked for a civil outcome. Shouldn't she be the person to be respected and listened to in this? This is the last I'll say on the matter because its not worth talking to
Close minded people.

Helena

Its not just this family

23.10.2012 20:25

it's all the other people Nicky stuffs into vans at dawn every day when he goes to work.

He is doing the devils work. End of. If anyone wants to announce the names of other UKBA officers anywhere in the UK, we'd like to expose them

Gareth

Fuck this Jack-Ass and his band!!!!!

23.10.2012 21:04

Ok Helena, you admit that the drugged up tosser posing as a punk is a UKBA employee. That's enough, fucking idiot, I hope he gets what is coming to him.

@

@Helena

23.10.2012 21:32

I'm perfectly willing to hear your version of the "real story" if you want to post it. So why don't you? Maybe because there is no "real story"except he works for the iron fist of the nanny state by choice?

And I'm being civil here.

anon

My last post

23.10.2012 21:55

I feel bad for posting on here now as I feel I've made the situation for nicky worst. Preach your hate as much as you want. I'm just going to encourage people to ignore you. I just find it upsetting that this has turned into harassment for a nice guy that you would probably get on with if it wasn't for being judged for his job. The last thing I will say, is there will always be people working for the UKBA, whether they're in a band or not, I don't feel they have the right to be targeted or having their pictures published for upholding the law for an otherwise accommodating country. You've gone from trying to help a victimised family to victimising someone else, and no matter what morals are behind it, it's still wrong. I will not be posting again and will let you get on with it.

Helena

Fuck yourself Nicky

23.10.2012 21:56

You think you're a punk? You're in the wrong job mate. Leave it. Now.
Justice for the Saleh family! Justice for every other migrant this pathetic tosser has ever laid his hands on.

@

Helena

23.10.2012 22:48

" You've gone from trying to help a victimised family to victimising someone else, and no matter what morals are behind it, it's still wrong."

And who was victimising the family?

The best thing for traumatised kids who have had to flee oppression is to be woken in the early morning by a bunch of uniformed thugs come to take their dad away, or even them along with dad and mum. Would you agree with that?

The fact that there are lots of people willing to do it doesn't make it right.

It seems you were wrong about the band never claiming to be punk - because on their myspace page they bill themselves as "a progressive punk rock band from Cardiff"

http://www.myspace.com/solutionsmusic

You're also wrong about opposing POVs being censored - its abuse that isn't welcome.

So, if you want a civil conversation as you keep insisting one of the family members requested, then practice what you preach.

There is nothing progressive about breaking up families in dawn raids and sending people back to oppressive situations, regardless of whether some arsehole says its legal or not.

IMCista

you can find him at...

24.10.2012 09:04

https://www.facebook.com/nicky.a.williams.1

just saying

Let him rot.

25.10.2012 10:36

This Nicky or whatever his name is is bottom feeding scum. Do not support his band, do not support his friends. Do not tolerate those who try to defend him.

He has nothing to say and we have no reason to help him defend himself.

Make an example of him and let him live the injustice he forces on others.

No justice, no peace.

anonymous

Just watched the video and have to say...

25.10.2012 12:09

Nicky you life destroying collaborating fucking piece of shit. And you posing as a punk, shit that boils my blood.

Damn you, your friends and apologists.

Your day will come...

Barry Cade

All UKBA are scum

25.10.2012 21:00

"Real anarchist violence ceases where the need for defence and liberation ceases."
Self defence is no offence when used against those with no morals stick their snout in capitalism's trough.

m

UK Border Agency head office address

27.10.2012 15:20

This is the address of the UK Border Agency head office, give the bastards a visit.
UK Border Agency
The Capital
New Hall Place
Liverpool
L3 9PP

Malatesta

'real punks' ?!

29.10.2012 02:12

what a load of hypocritical, juvenile rubbish.

Half of you are in your 40s and should know better (for starters) than to TRY and tarnish a good person and bands reputation without knowing him and the actual facts.

Also, if you feel the need to constantly label yourselves as something, may i suggest thugs rather than punk - as you are giving it a VERY bad name (like Nicky has apparently done)

The question is, should we be looking up to people like you - who think it's okay to single out, threaten violence and abuse someone (like Nicky has apparently done)

As for a father sticking up for his child after witnessing abuse and threats of violence on Facebook etc - good on him - as if you would not do the same for your children.

I hope you can see how hypocritical you are being.
If you don't want a person to be/act a certain way - don't do/act the same.

n/a

Depends on what his job at UKBA is...

29.10.2012 13:05

If he is just working for, say, administration there - I'd say leave the poor sod alone, he won't be the first punk (or any other working-class person) forced to earn a living by working for an unsavoury organisation and he won't be the last.

Although if he's part of the snatch squads, then he's no better than a cop - and I'll thus happily boycott his band and anything he's associated with.

"pathetic liberal"

what a farce ...

29.10.2012 13:30

so what your saying is he is allowed to work for the ukba as long he doesn't do the physical side?

do you realise how stupid that sounds - if you silly bullies are going to insist on boycotting a GOOD bands gig at least stand by what your saying and don't have rules for one person and then rules for another.

Paperwork/administation was almost definitely the main key in the family being removed - The people who removed them are following orders from the gathering of paperwork.

it continues to make you sound more and more hypocritical.

n/a

Lifestylists...

29.10.2012 13:34

...you gotta love 'em. *sigh*

"pathetic liberal"

zzzzzzz.

29.10.2012 22:26

haha thanks for proving my point.

just insults - no substance

good night :-)

n/a

Shame on you indymedia...

30.10.2012 00:07

I am Nicky's father and regardless of what you think of him working for ukba, you really should have found out a bit more about this before you took on this page. Just to put some people straight... theres has been lies, half truths, threats made by these spineless facebook warriors who, when questioned and factually put straight chose to delete those posts. They then chose to say i was making threats to them when i actually said i would do the same back to whoever tried this...what father wouldnt say this ? The sister of the saleh family chose to put a post up saying she had written to me asking me to "calm things down" ? She never did and at exactly the same time someone else posted that i was the on;y one who had made threats ? Obviously when i checked to see the original threats posted by the Saleh family supporters.....They had been taken down ? What a surprise, Thought i was reading the daily fuckin mail ! Now this on here ? a site i always had time for. Fuck sake, my band has done christ knows how many gigs for CAN and many other causes we like to help and i cannot believe how these people distort or hide the truth to suit their cause., my son has a job in ukba...so does that really deserve him being on the end of a blinkered hate campaign with people wanting him glassed or sliced up ??/ No it fuckin does not ! Fuck CAN and their witch hunt. I am sorry that this family has been deported and i am sorry that people i trusted turned out to be so hate filled and blinkered. I hope this doesnt get deleted like a lot of other messages they didnt agree with were ??? Shame on you indymedia !!!!!

Gagz

Put what straight Gagz???

30.10.2012 07:30

What exactly is there to put straight??? Your son is an enforcer for a brutal and racist system, he does horrific violent and disgusting things for money.

Former no choice fan

UKBA injustices.

30.10.2012 15:20

Its a sad sad thing you're doing and no mistake. Hang your head low.

What the hell do you think you're doing defending your son working at UKBA while claiming you support IMC!

What the fuck are you doing here?

There is absolutely no part of the UKBA's work that we support. We DO NOT support those who work for it. We DO NOT support those who spend their time apologizing for the things it does.

You shouldn't have been here to start with. You absolutely are not something we want to support and you are COMPLETELY wrong to try to suggest that you have anything at all in common with us.

It is plainly obvious your son has simply used Indymedia to appropriate support for his band and its even more plainly obvious that you and your son are the kind of exploititive people that we are well rid of.

We DO NOT need your kind of shallow crap.

anonymous

@Gagz

30.10.2012 19:20

"Just to put some people straight... theres has been lies, half truths, threats made by these spineless facebook warriors..."

OK, please go ahead and explain any significant lies and half truths?

Because at the moment no-one seems to have explained how this guy can justify what he does for a living.

anonymous

The crux of this is argument is- do you think what the UKBA does is good or bad?

30.10.2012 21:25

This is not a meaningless hate campaign- this is a number of posts and comments on various web sites stating that Nicky works for the UKBA, is in a punk band and arguing that what he does at the UKBA is disgusting. Any threats that may or not have been made or the ins and outs of the case are not relevant to the main argument going on here: that immigration controls are fundamentally unfair, cruel and inhuman and that what the UKBA does is also such.

The reason why Nicky may be attracting such hate is because he has been seen as part of a team who are enforcing, in a brutal way, the forced removal of a mother and her children from their home. Further reasons he is attracting so much hate is because he is a person who has previously shown support for anarchist causes, he is fan of anarcho punk bands and he is in band people were led to believe were progressive. It makes total sense there has been such anger. It shows that Nicky must have never had any real understanding of the politics of some of the bands he has tattoed on himself- if he did then he would know that a belief in freedom, justice and equality can not go hand in hand with working for the UKBA. Their system can never be fair- the reasons people move around are multitude and the history of the reason people wish to move goes back hundreds of years, due to imperialism, slavery, wars- they are here because we were there.

Apart from this the UKBA detain children, pregnant women, people who have been tortured, raped, people who are ill. People have died during and after being deported. Children are woken up at dawn by the UKBA and put into vans.People are restrained, beaten, handcuffed on planes to force them to fly. By defending Nicky you defend this. This is happening in your city, it is not propaganda.

Someone has asked that if it so bad in the UK then why do they want to stay here? Because where they have left is so much worse.

The so-called hate campaign against Nicky has has not detracted in any way from the support campaign for the family, but merely reflected its passion and determination.

So yes, fuck you Nicky. You deserve nothing but hate. You are not the only one, but you are one that we know. So this is why you have your own hate campaign.

I generally like people

Can I just ask?

31.10.2012 10:03

Those against the UKBA etc.

Do you agree/disagree with the deportation of terrorists?

E.g most recently Abu Qadata?

I'm just interested to know your views

Bob

P.S

31.10.2012 10:08

Also the link to this you've posted on Facebook is showing the comments you've hidden

Just thought you might like to know so you can censor it all again

Bob

More apologies!

31.10.2012 15:41

"Those against the UKBA etc.

Do you agree/disagree with the deportation of terrorists?

E.g most recently Abu Qadata?

I'm just interested to know your views"

My view is that the UKBA and Nicky have deported a family with children. This is how it happened:

http://youtu.be/N1NXwTOnzp8

They do this all the time...in fact, that makes up the bulk of their daily work.

This is what the UKBA do, its why they exist.

While they do this, they prevent people as much as possible from recording their activity because they know its wrong. They assume that the public are always to blame for their own misfortune but they never include themselves in this. Most of them are bent and habitually dishonest. Indeed, these are the qualities the UKBA are looking for in those they recruit. As a recruit, you must by malable, easily led and very impressionable. Intelligent and educated people cannot do this work because they understand that government departments like the UKBA are the result of failed policy, failed political parties and failed media campaigns to demonise immigrants in the UK.

Political parties want these people in the UK because they facilitate cheap labor for business and industry but they also want to ensure that their friends in the tabloid press can paint them as being 'tough' on immigration because this appeals to the badly educated zenophobic voter, which is prettly much all the mainstream political parties have access to these days. Intelligent people avoid any interaction with this at all because it is morally wrong as well as politically wrong.

The UKBA are the dregs from the streets. They are nothing more than the cheap and badly educated trash you pick up from the street to make the policy stick in place so you have a manageable immigration policy, it doesn't need to be effective, it just needs to be executable and displayable in public.

This family were not terrorists as you well know and it is frankly disgusting that you would try to tar them with somebody else brush. That is truly despicable of you to do this. You should be ashamed of yourself.

anonymous

Twisted

31.10.2012 16:09

I did not call the Saleh family terrorists, nor was it implied. I did not mention them at all. It was a completely different question, relating to an aspect of this subject. Although thank you for trying to twist it.

I was asking about deportation in more of a general way.

I was asking if you would feel the same about terrorists being deported?

I personally feel bad for the family, and it sucks.

However I do not feel bad for terrorists who are a threat to people in this country.

I was merely intrigued to see what would be said when looked at from a different angle. Seeing as this has been blown out of proportion anyway

Bob

P.S

31.10.2012 16:12

Thanks for proving how you will twist any comment made though ;)

Bob

AND

31.10.2012 16:16

Just to make it clear and so nothing can be twisted, I am talking about just terrorists. No other family, not the Saleh family. JUST terrorists.

CLEAR ENOUGH YEAH?

Bob

I KNOW THE REAL STORY, I WAS THERE.

31.10.2012 18:05

YOU HAVE THE GALL TO CALL ME AN 'INTERNET WARRIOR', JOHN?
YOU THINK I HIDE BEHIND MY KEYBOARD?
WHEN I WAS PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED BY A LARGE MALE POLICE OFFICER WHILST I CLUNG TO THE GATES TO STOP THEM TAKING MY FRIEND'S FAMILY?
YOU HAVE THE IGNORANCE TO SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW THE REAL STORY?

I KNOW THAT MY BEST FRIEND'S FAMILY WAS TORN AWAY FROM HER, IN FRONT OF HER EYES, WHILST WE STOOD AND WATCHED. KNOWING THEY WILL BE SENT TO THEIR DEATHS AND TORTURE.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT WILL MAKE ME THINK THAT THIS GUY IS ANY LESS OF A WANKER FOR DOING THAT JOB.

however.I hope people will one day realize what is important at the moment, that we can show the UKBA we are NOT weak, and we will not put up with their shit. Now we have to continue fighting the legal battles, instead of in fighting between our peer groups. Yes, working for the UKBA is fucking wrong and evil. I hope none of my friends would do it. However, I am not going to dedicate my time to persecuting one of the people who works there. Instead, I am going to try my best to change things.

a very upset and injured 19 year old.

@"pathetic liberal"

01.11.2012 15:02

Working in any way for the UKBA you are a collaborating shit without morals and void of empathy, a dangerous individual I would say. As it happens this prick is part of the snatch squads as you can see on the video posted. Look for the wanker with the tattoos...

Enough Said!

Barry Cade

"progressive"

02.11.2012 09:59

The outing of Nicky Williams has caused considerable friction in the Cardiff punk scene with many other local musicians speaking out in his defence and supporting the "good work" that UKBA do. Most vocally Nicky's father, Gagz, singer in NO CHOICE, and numerous others.

The way in which they have closed ranks to defend both a racist thug and a racist system has exposed the fact that the politics behind thier lyrics has been nothing but a pose.

It appears that SOLUTIONS are on a hiatus out of shame:

https://twitter.com/solutionsmusic but the way in which so many others who claim to be "progressive" in the punk scene are willing to attack anti-racists and migrants for daring to expose this thug needs to be addressed.

Bristolian

There's no politics behind their lyrics

02.11.2012 11:26

If you've ever actually listened/read their lyrics, there is NOTHING of any political content nor connotations in their songs.
It's music for the sake of loving music, a completely seperate entity to what you assume it should be about.
So you're entire argument (speaking to the bristolian) is completely flawed and innacurate.
More than likely a disgruntled punk fan who simply doesn't like the band for no other reason than you don't find the music appealing.
If you had any idea of their lyrical content, you would know that there is NO POLITICS behind it.
Whether you agree that this is 'punk' or not, is entirely your opinion and a side-line to the hypocrisy you are all displaying.
The situation for all involved is ugly, but at least get your facts straight before attempting to use it as ANOTHER wishy-washy excuse to slander a man/bands name.

Fact-finder

P.P.S

02.11.2012 12:49

You think a father will disown his son because his job disagrees with his bands' politics?
You get a grip!

Fact-Finder

P.P.P.S

02.11.2012 13:34

You've used an interview from the year 2000/2001 for your argument.
Not that their ethics have changed much in that time, but it's a little bit dated to be throwing in as evidence for your 'opinion' (which let's remember, is an opinion).

Fact-Finder

Q@Fact-finder . Can I get some clarification on what the fuck you are spouting..

02.11.2012 17:56

.. as I assume you are saying that due to the fact the band through its music has no discernible interest in political issues and by that logic that justifies a non reaction from civilised society as to what a member of this said band does for a living ie Completely destroying the lives of our fellow human beings?

Please respond!

Barry Cade

Certainly...

02.11.2012 18:30

It brings in to question what his band/fellow band-members have to do with any of this?
Take your aggression out on the individual if that tickles your tits, but don't then drag all associated with him through the mud also.
This whole thread/facebook page has become so far from the issue and truth it is laughable.
The constant censoring of anyone opposed to 'the left's' stance shows how deep the hypocrisy goes - 'If you don't agree with us then fuck off'.
Yet you have the stones to call this lad a Nazi?
Which not only de-values the atrocities that happened then, but shows the true immaturity of this entire campaign.
I have no doubt solutions will not go on as a result of this, so you have successfully ruined the reputation of one, and the hopes of 3 others. Congratulations to you all.
This will be my last post regardless of your replies, undoubtedly I could scroll back and see they will be exactly the same as previously posted.

Merry Christmas and a Happy Hypocrisy.
x

Fact-Finder

@Fact-finder

02.11.2012 21:52

The job of this character is so reprehensible that those who have been aware of his work position and think of it as simply irrevelant are equally void of empathy and worthy of our contempt and therefore the justification exists for criticising those apologists also. Open your eyes mate, its not about criticising some Faux punk dude or his band, its about so much more, the continous detention, abuse and murder of decent people the detention of little kids and the irreparable damage done to countless generations of families and friends that are torn apart everyday by these shits and thats just a short list!

Get a fucking conscience.

Just doing our job is a familiar response! We will never ever except that !

Barry Cade