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Just what Nottingham DOESN'T need

anon@indymedia.org (led) | 13.07.2012 00:55

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These are challenging times. As an urban community we don't all agree on exactly what needs to happen to evolve Notts to the city it could be but I think we can all agree on some of the things that are holding it back.

A case in point is the planning application put in by Medina Green Limited to build another McDonald's AND KFC at Man Of Trent on Clifton Lane.

Both fast food chains are notorious for anti-social business practices, uniting positive movements across the spectrum in a cacophonous boycott call, be it for marketing unhealthy food to children, vandalizing the environment, treating their workers like slaves, persistently sourcing the cruellest factory farmed meat, the list goes on and on.

One also has to wonder the moral health of a society where such reasonable criticisms are not allowed to be taken into consideration when a council like NCC considers a planning application.

Fortunately for those concerned with human rights, animal rights and the environment, there are many, more bureaucratically palatable grounds to object on, such as the extra traffic the junk food outlets would generate on what is already an overused trunk road, or the noise and smell they would emit.

So if you have a spare moment, why not make an investment in a home town with a little less McBlight and register an objection with Nottingham City Council's planning department to Medina Green Ltd's ugly application, number 12/01824/PFUL3.

..and should the council's I.T. infrastructure leaves you somewhat underwhelmed, fret not, you can simply email the responsible planning officer Joanna Briggs with your objection - joanna.briggs@nottinghamcity.gov.uk.

 


anon@indymedia.org (led)
- http://nottingham.indymedia.org.uk/articles/2677

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I agree,

13.07.2012 09:40

but unfortunately their customers don't. McDonalds and KFC are doing a rocking trade and who am I to tell their paying customers that they are wrong? It seems that these chain cafes are the peoples choice. WHY?

anarchist


@Anarchist

13.07.2012 11:19

@Anarchist

You need to do some reading.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

Bernays is almost completely unknown today but his influence on the 20th century was nearly as great as his uncles (Sigmund Freud). Because Bernays was the first person to take Freud's ideas about human beings and use them to manipulate the masses. He showed American corporations for the first time how to they could make people want things they didn't need by linking mass produced goods to their unconscious desires.

www.whale.to/b/bernays.pdf

And video watching

 http://archive.org/details/AdaCurtisCenturyoftheSelf_0

Also look into peer pressure

Peer pressure is the influence exerted by a peer group, encouraging individuals to change their attitudes, values, or behaviors in order to conform to group norms.

Peer pressure was often cited by troops in the trenches in WW1 that went over the top despite the fear that there was a good chance they'd be mown down or blown to bits - they didn't want to let their side down.

That's what the MSM is for - to present what's considered 'normal' to the 'masses'.

All this stuff is well known to advertisers and spin merchants, not so well known to it's targets.

2%Human


anyone know of anywhere better?

13.07.2012 14:17

So we need to be protected from these mind control agents by government planning authorities?

McDonalds would be my last choice but often it's my only choice, if I'm traveling and I want free internet access and a decent coffee out of hours. Anyone know of anywhere better?

anon


Eh!

13.07.2012 16:29

Wow anon, can't work shit out for yourself?, so dependent, like a little kid.

Well that's what these Corporations want they want you to become dependent on them like a kid

As in Quote -"it's my only choice"

and not independent like a grown up.

So for food - make some sarnies - for coffee either take a flask

or for 'good coffee'

Get

One of these
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhkoRjloLc

One of these
 http://www.coffeepotshop.co.uk/acatalog/Bialetti_Moka_Express.html

Some of this
 http://www.fairtrade.org.uk/products/retail_products/product_browse.aspx?comps=COFFEE


And you're good to go!

2%Human


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@the little nazi

13.07.2012 17:15

> Wow anon, can't work shit out for yourself?, so dependent, like a little kid.
Dumb ass. Good luck with telling people what they can and can't do.


> Well that's what these Corporations want they want you to become dependent on them like a kid
Personal choice. If i want to go McDonalds, then i will. If i don't, then i wont go.
What you are trying to do is attempt a dictatorship and enforcing what people can do like in some ultra-religious country. We don't work like that in this country, so get stuffed.

> As in Quote -"it's my only choice"
> and not independent like a grown up.
> So for food - make some sarnies - for coffee either take a flask

No! (if i dont want to). Plus, you don't have any power to tell people what they can and can't do. How would you like it if they forced to go to McDonalds?


I don't really eat McDonalds. I'm very healthy. But sometimes i will eat it - fuck it. Makes no difference if you eat one every couple of months. Who cares?
If some idiot decides to stuff their own mouth with McDonalds everyday thats their own business not ours. Personally, I think vegan is unhealthy, yet i don't tell people that they can't eat that. Its non of my business to tell people what they eat, smoke, drink and how much exercise they do, such in the anarchist way

Max


No one needs 'protecting' from McDonalds

13.07.2012 17:20

Take it or leave it

Your personal animosity has no right in a planning decision.

Why not just open a shop next to them that is a) better; b) cheaper; c) more healthy
People will go to that instead if it is so great

do it better


MacDonalds...better, stronger, faster.

13.07.2012 20:00

"but unfortunately their customers don't. McDonalds and KFC are doing a rocking trade and who am I to tell their paying customers that they are wrong? It seems that these chain cafes are the peoples choice. WHY?"

MacDonalds is shite.

As for its defenders, you are right. It is entirely your choice what you eat. You are free to do as you please.

You are also free to die of high cholestorol, stroke or vitamin defficiency. You are free to become overweight, obese and to develop liver enlargement; each and every one of which will almost certainly kill you prematurely. You are free to throw the quality of your life away and call it living.

Macdonalds is your friend. Just don't expect it to continue to be your friend when you have no money left to spend on shoving its cow shit into your mouth.

Macdonalds also has a very select clientel. Their customers want whatever they can stuff in their mouths in the shortest possible time for the cheapest price preferably while moving. That approach to life will get you very dead, very quickly.

The nutrition of its food is simply its USP. It doesn't bear any resemblence to the facts of its operation.

Do yourself a favour and drop this idea that whatever is most convenient...is also whats best for you. It isn't and never will be.

At least put a little effort in.

Doing something well is reward in itself. Adopt that as a lesson for life and you are laughing.

USP.


Jong.

13.07.2012 20:04

"Take it or leave it"

In short trust in the market!!!

Its trust in the market that got us all here!!!

Burn the f***ing thing down.

Then tell them somebody told you to 'take it or leave it'.

Tell them you left it...in ashes.

Ma


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he he he

13.07.2012 20:08

---Tell them you left it...in ashes---

Better yet, tell them you are such a pig your ordered the entire contents of the restaurant, and decided to cook it all yourself to put it in a giant bap!

Tell that to the fire brigade at least! They love a laugh.

anon


bland

13.07.2012 21:11

Problem is every high st looks the same leeds liverpool same shops same take aways oh well there you go.

beenherebefore


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nothing illegal

13.07.2012 22:52

In short trust in the market!!!
Its trust in the market that got us all here!!!

Got where?

Your attitude of authoritian "stop it now by force" could be applied to anything.
So what if I don't like rap music? Shall we stop that too?
McDonalds is like soap-operas, porn, rap music, fashion shows etc.
If you don't like it... don't watch/listen/attend/eat it. Nobody is forcing anyone to like it.
We here a lot on indymedia about mcdonalds and coke, and how its kills lives.
What about smoking? Never seem to see that on indymedia, yet it kills more than mcdonalds do.


Burn the f***ing thing down.
Then tell them somebody told you to 'take it or leave it'.
Tell them you left it...in ashes.

Hmmmmmm..... that sound extremist, intolerant and authoritarian - which sounds suspiciously like fascism to me. I bet your views on burn-it-down-if-you-don't-like-it would suddenly change if someone burnt your home down. Funny that.

Do it


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Burn I tells ya...BURN!

14.07.2012 01:27

"Got where?"

To the state where every high street looks the same, where local businesses have all but dissapeared, where large multi-national corporations syphon of our wealth in service to their own riches. MacDonalds is a leading light.

"Your attitude of authoritian "stop it now by force" could be applied to anything.
So what if I don't like rap music? Shall we stop that too?"

I don't give a rats arse about the type of music you want to listen to. The food you eat is not the same as the music you listen to. Only a bloody moron would try to put these things together or equate them as being the same. You've got a very weird way of looking at things! Its almost like your apologising for something.

"McDonalds is like soap-operas, porn, rap music, fashion shows etc.
If you don't like it... don't watch/listen/attend/eat it. Nobody is forcing anyone to like it."

MacDonalds is like none of those things. Porn, rap music, fashion shows do not make you obese. Junk food makes you obese. The choice to make yourself obese is no choice at all. The freedom to be unhealthy and have your life shortened through others exploiting your ignorance is no freedom at all.

"We here a lot on indymedia about mcdonalds and coke, and how its kills lives.
What about smoking? Never seem to see that on indymedia, yet it kills more than mcdonalds do."

And smoking is on its way out as a result of the lives it has prematurely ended. Yet tobacco is still on sale. The tobacco manufacturers, despite knowing fully the risks, still sell it for public consumption. They sell tobacco not because it is good for you, or even bad for you, they sell it because it makes a profit. That is the only reason it is sold. There is no other reason. You could argue that people's choice is so important that they can kill themselves by smoking, that killing themselves by choice is more important to them than their health. You can argue that, but we all know that when they are on their deathbed gasping desperately for air because their lungs have effectively collapsed, that YOUR opinion about their choice and defence of their freedom to smoke suddenly become meaningless.

"Hmmmmmm..... that sound extremist, intolerant and authoritarian - which sounds suspiciously like fascism to me. I bet your views on burn-it-down-if-you-don't-like-it would suddenly change if someone burnt your home down. Funny that."

Nobody is going to burn my house down. Nobody is going to try to burn my house down. My view on MacDonalds is based on what it has and is doing, I have no reason to want to 'put myself in their shoes'. I have nothing to gain by doing that. I have no reason to want to do that. You can call it 'extremist, intolerant and authoritarian' but the problem is I just don't care. You can even blather on about fascism and I still don't care. You are defending peoples right to smoke themselves to death because it equates to 'personal freedom', while in the same privilaged breath expressing your annoyance that smoking isn't taken more seriously than cramming your gullet with industrially produced food-stuff.

Personal freedom and choice is far too important a concept to be left to those who make a mint by poisoning people for profit.

Illegalism.


What is natural?

14.07.2012 06:49

Reading these posts, it seems those in favour of McD's and KFC somehow think the market and personal choice are totally natural and therefore the fact they are on every street is just because they are better, etc. However that does not explain why there are so many of these godamn chains here in the UK and fewer in other countries. Sadly the UK media and economic policies have led us to this depressing situation where even people on Indymedia apologise for corporate takeover and say it's all just the Natural State of Affairs.

The reality is, people do not just do things because of nature, etc. Our choices are determined by the type of society that we are born into. Unfortunately UK society is pretty f***ed. The only hope we have is in resistance, which does not mean opening up a vegan cafe or "voting with your feet".

Foreigner


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you should care

14.07.2012 09:10

>> I don't give a rats arse about the type of music you want to listen to. The food you eat is not the same as the music you listen to. Only a bloody moron would try to put these things together or equate them as being the same. You've got a very weird way of looking at things! Its almost like your apologising for something.

What you think about what other people eat is not important. In the same way that what you think about the music they listen to is unimportant. Thats my point.


>> MacDonalds is like none of those things. Porn, rap music, fashion shows do not make you obese. Junk food makes you obese. The choice to make yourself obese is no choice at all. The freedom to be unhealthy and have your life shortened through others exploiting your ignorance is no freedom at all.

Your whole argument is very binary. Like if you so much as step inside McDonalds you will end up obese. McDonalds doesn't make you obese IF you eat it in moderation. A one-a-month isn't going to make a blind bit of difference. Most people don't sit in there eating it everyday. Most people are obese because everything they eat comprises of a high carb diet. Get rid of McDonalds and people will still eat and drink pop/chocolate/ice cream/bread/pasta/processed food, and they will still remain obese.

Yet, fit, healthy weight people will still be walking in McDonalds for the occasional crap burger. Why should these people be penalised as to what they can eat just because a load of fatties choose to eat crap food at home?

Your argument is like the so-called "fat-tax" that was proposed. It neglects to give choice to people who are healthy and eat crap food in moderation.

You argument is like saying that all alcohol should be banned, because a few unfortunates choose to drink themselves to death. That sounds like socialism to me.
"We here a lot on indymedia about mcdonalds and coke, and how its kills lives.
What about smoking? Never seem to see that on indymedia, yet it kills more than mcdonalds do."

And smoking is on its way out as a result of the lives it has prematurely ended. Yet tobacco is still on sale. ..........

I wasn't arguing the case for smoking. I was arguing the case as to why Indymediarites don't seem to protest against smoking at all - yet it is a lot worse than mcdonalds in terms of health.


>> Nobody is going to burn my house down. Nobody is going to try to burn my house down. My view on MacDonalds is based on what it has and is doing, I have no reason to want to 'put myself in their shoes'. I have nothing to gain by doing that. I have no reason to want to do that. You can call it 'extremist, intolerant and authoritarian' but the problem is I just don't care. You can even blather on about fascism and I still don't care.

You 'don't' care!?.......
Well i think you will find other people do care if you start burning places down.

If you 'did' care... You'd work towards educating people.
You would be better devoting your life to educating people about healthy food options.
Start today! You should have a whole website up with lots of valuable information about the bad side of mcdonalds and the good side of proper food. Constructive and pro-active rather than ranting and tantrums.


>> You are defending peoples right to smoke themselves to death because it equates to 'personal freedom', while in the same privilaged breath expressing your annoyance that smoking isn't taken more seriously than cramming your gullet with industrially produced food-stuff.

Ignoring that bit because it is a misunderstanding on my views of smoking.

Max


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