The Occupy Movement Is In Danger From Within!!!
Legion Of Occupy | 04.01.2012 00:43 | Occupy Everywhere | Analysis | Social Struggles | Workers' Movements
CIA funded "Informants" or "New World Order Facilitators" who specialise in sophisticated intelligence gathering techniques, are working as informants within Occupy groups worldwide!!!! OR NOT as the case may be.
Tonight I came across something that literally sent a chill down my spine. The source of my concern, and the reason I'm writing this post, is the presence of Illuminati sponsored spies within occupy camps.
The task of these operatives is twofold. Firstly, they are to gather information from protesters and to report back to their spymasters at MI5. MI5 is, of course, a branch of the illuminati linked to the freemasons which serves the will of UK government which, as we know, is merely a subsidiary of the British Monarchy who are well known to be lizards from outer space.
Well done, if you got this far then you either thought WTF or you bought it hook, line and sinker. This goes to show how some people will believe anything if its written on the internet. Especially in regard to a recent post on Indymedia that started off in a similar fashion.
Now, after our little joke, onto the serious stuff. Since the beginning of the Occupy Movement, a trend has emerged that is presently steering it towards the ridiculous and threatening to completely discredit it.
I refer to, of course, the presence of the conspiracy crowd.
Who are the conspiracy crowd? Well, for the purposes of this piece I define a "conspiracy crowd member" as someone who believes in, and propagates stories about, the Illuminati, the NWO, various antisemitic stories, aliens, lizards, and so on, and so forth. Nobody is challenging the influence of finance upon government or government corruption therefore I exclude these from the definition of "conspiracy". A "conspiracy theory" is therefore a fanciful tale that has no bearing upon reality and no objective evidence to prove its validity either.
Now occupy started as a protest against the excesses of finance and capital in partnership with government corruption. It began on Wall St. for a reason. Not because of the presence of "shadowy Jewish cabals of the ruling secret societies", but because Wall St. is the heart of American capitalism. This is the fundamental idea behind the occupy movement and this is where the attention of #occupy should be focused.
More to the point, I do not see how engaging with people spreading conspiracy theories does anything but discredit #occupy in the eyes of the very people we want to reach - I.e. the 99%. Do we honestly consider that an "average person" is really bothered about conspiracy theories such as those pedalled by Alex Jones, David Icke and so on? The injustices perceived by the 99% of people (of whom conspiracy theorists make up a minority portion and therefore can NOT pretend that they speak for the 99%) have nothing to do with the Illuminati, Area 51 or fluoride in the water. The majority of the people simply perceive the oppression of governments and international capital. This does not need "dressing up" with fancy stories.
The Occupy Movement itself should not encourage the conspiracy theorist tendency as it will ultimately contribute nothing useful towards occupy and will only make it harder to relate to for an average person. As a matter of fact, conspiracy theorists so far have done nothing but undermine camps by sowing enmity between people who they consider "less enlightened", harassing people who challenge their assertions and so on. It is hard to press the idea of unity when faced with such a divisive and potentially corruptive influence.
To summarise then, I state that I do not think that anyone in #occupy camps should hold back from challenging people who bring ultimately irrelevant and divisive contributions into the occupy movement. It is not an endorsement of censorship to say that destructive elements should be challenged and I think that occupiers have to put on a unified front and attempt to be more assertive about this. Ultimately what is at stake is the survival of #occupy as a serious and credible movement.
The task of these operatives is twofold. Firstly, they are to gather information from protesters and to report back to their spymasters at MI5. MI5 is, of course, a branch of the illuminati linked to the freemasons which serves the will of UK government which, as we know, is merely a subsidiary of the British Monarchy who are well known to be lizards from outer space.
Well done, if you got this far then you either thought WTF or you bought it hook, line and sinker. This goes to show how some people will believe anything if its written on the internet. Especially in regard to a recent post on Indymedia that started off in a similar fashion.
Now, after our little joke, onto the serious stuff. Since the beginning of the Occupy Movement, a trend has emerged that is presently steering it towards the ridiculous and threatening to completely discredit it.
I refer to, of course, the presence of the conspiracy crowd.
Who are the conspiracy crowd? Well, for the purposes of this piece I define a "conspiracy crowd member" as someone who believes in, and propagates stories about, the Illuminati, the NWO, various antisemitic stories, aliens, lizards, and so on, and so forth. Nobody is challenging the influence of finance upon government or government corruption therefore I exclude these from the definition of "conspiracy". A "conspiracy theory" is therefore a fanciful tale that has no bearing upon reality and no objective evidence to prove its validity either.
Now occupy started as a protest against the excesses of finance and capital in partnership with government corruption. It began on Wall St. for a reason. Not because of the presence of "shadowy Jewish cabals of the ruling secret societies", but because Wall St. is the heart of American capitalism. This is the fundamental idea behind the occupy movement and this is where the attention of #occupy should be focused.
More to the point, I do not see how engaging with people spreading conspiracy theories does anything but discredit #occupy in the eyes of the very people we want to reach - I.e. the 99%. Do we honestly consider that an "average person" is really bothered about conspiracy theories such as those pedalled by Alex Jones, David Icke and so on? The injustices perceived by the 99% of people (of whom conspiracy theorists make up a minority portion and therefore can NOT pretend that they speak for the 99%) have nothing to do with the Illuminati, Area 51 or fluoride in the water. The majority of the people simply perceive the oppression of governments and international capital. This does not need "dressing up" with fancy stories.
The Occupy Movement itself should not encourage the conspiracy theorist tendency as it will ultimately contribute nothing useful towards occupy and will only make it harder to relate to for an average person. As a matter of fact, conspiracy theorists so far have done nothing but undermine camps by sowing enmity between people who they consider "less enlightened", harassing people who challenge their assertions and so on. It is hard to press the idea of unity when faced with such a divisive and potentially corruptive influence.
To summarise then, I state that I do not think that anyone in #occupy camps should hold back from challenging people who bring ultimately irrelevant and divisive contributions into the occupy movement. It is not an endorsement of censorship to say that destructive elements should be challenged and I think that occupiers have to put on a unified front and attempt to be more assertive about this. Ultimately what is at stake is the survival of #occupy as a serious and credible movement.
Legion Of Occupy
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Great article.
04.01.2012 01:10
anon
Hmmmm
04.01.2012 09:14
A "conspiracy theory" is therefore a fanciful tale that has no bearing upon reality and no objective evidence to prove its validity either.
would be this:
As a matter of fact, conspiracy theorists so far have done nothing but undermine camps by sowing enmity between people who they consider "less enlightened", harassing people who challenge their assertions and so on.
Or did you leave out a paragraph?
unconvinced
Very good article
04.01.2012 09:51
reader
help the conspiracy theorists are after us
04.01.2012 10:45
x
great article, (human sacrifice)
04.01.2012 10:53
Me
lol, can't wait to see the replies to this
04.01.2012 10:54
They think the problem isn't capitalism so much as the fact it is "controlled" by secret cabals of lizards/Rockefellers/Jews/Illuminati/etc.
anon2
Freemasons
04.01.2012 12:39
I think people have been swept up in this whole Dan Brown fictional books and have difficulty separating fact from fiction.
anon
Very good article
04.01.2012 12:42
reader
deeds not words
04.01.2012 13:28
anon
good article
04.01.2012 13:29
I'm sure they're looking for the old faces and the new ones, new activists, and i'm sure they're agents are screening the campers when they meet them to decide who the militants are.
whilst down at st pauls i've met plenty of 'passing characters' who will blab about evil jews, how the black bloc work for Mi5, and all the usual crap, then try to ask for my details/name etc so they can add me on facebook etc.
i'm not saying they're spys, as nutters are sometimes polite.
joe blogs
What a load of old rubbish
04.01.2012 13:51
The Occupy Movement is a spent force.
Secret Mi5 disinformation agent
@ Secret Mi5 disinformation agent
04.01.2012 13:54
LMAO - what do you think the uncovered cops were monitoring for all those years? No threat to the state, seeing as Kennedy is adamant that no-one is in prison because of his activities.
Of course there are undercovers at the camps.
whataloadofpoppycock
Street justice.
04.01.2012 13:57
It isn't just damaging as a result of people holding these views, it is also damaging as a result of people 'using' conspiracy as a tool to drive people away from movements for change. If I want to undermine a movement for change, all I really need to do is show up and blather on about evil Jews and shape-shifting lizards and that, pretty much, will do all the damage I need by driving new recruits away. So conspiracy theory is disempowering whether held as a sincere belief or used as a divisive tool.
Its a sad fact that Zionist Jews are dishonest and gravitate toward positions of influence in the media and entertainment industries in order to drip-feed the middle classes around the world with pro-Zionist thoughts and feelings using 'reactionary psychology'. Its called propaganda. Is it acceptable to call this a conspiracy theory? Well no it isn't. Its certainly a conspiracy to commit fraud but its also undertaken by just a tiny minority of troublesome Jews who do not have the confidence of the wider Jewish people in the diaspora or in Israel itself not to mention the rest of humanity. So to say that the world is 'controlled by Jews' is monstrous and completely delusional. It isn't controlled by Jews, its just that some delusional Jews want the world to beleive that the world is controlled by them...because it suits their fundamentalist world view and wider strategy and artificially inflates their importance.
Small dogs bark loudest!
By the same token we can see the same politic emanating from the Free-masons and the so-called Illuminati. Undoubtedly there are fundamentalist adherents to these movements...but the world is not controlled by them. It never has been and never will be.
When we look back on this age...we will see only the madness of religious fundamentalists and those who are trying to gain by feeding that fundamentalism.
The Occupy movement needs to understand its intelligence and its natural place in this world and needs to find a way to be comfortable and confident with it. Denigrating the conspiracy theorists does nothing but sow dissent and division within its ranks.
Education is the key.
anonymous.
@ - whataloadofpoppycock
04.01.2012 14:16
Secret Mi5 disinformation agent
Wishful thinking.
04.01.2012 14:18
Hardly.
anonymous.
"Of course there are undercovers at the camps."
04.01.2012 14:21
Grown Up
Nothing to see here, move along
04.01.2012 14:25
David Cameron
Homepage:
http://bit.ly/wzw0qR
Education is the key.
04.01.2012 14:25
The envionmentalists were interfering with power stations and targeting the national infrastructure very crudely. This involved the police and would have been very easy to illustrate in a powerpoint presentation to Home Office ministers.
Occupy is concerned with something else entirely. That something else is pretty much impossible to illustrate in any conventional way. Ergo, no interest from police or Home Office.
Occupy is 'compelling' in a way that the environmentalists could never manage.
It has elegance.
anonymous.
Secret Mi5 disinformation agent
04.01.2012 16:11
I doubt that the state sees it that way. The whole point of the Occupy movement is that nobody can predict what will happen yet. We already know that there has been a concerted effort by the state to close down camps in the USA. So why would I take your word for it? You offer nothing to back it up.
whataloadofpoppycock
Bickering
04.01.2012 17:24
Rob
My word is as irrelevant as yours
04.01.2012 18:55
Don't - I don't mind, by all means carry on thinking that Mi5, Special Branch or the Tufty Club are sending secret agents in too spy on you. They are not doing anything of the sort but it doesn't bother me if you think they are.
Secret Mi5 disinformation agent
At the back...
04.01.2012 19:58
It really is swings and roundabouts.
MI5 are there to infiltrate various movements that might have the carrying capacity to dethrone the current government. They are paid very good salaries to do this. The police are there to assist them in terms of preventing public order situations from developing...whether they actually exist or are invented by the police themselves to service their 'pre-emptive disruption' strategy.
There's nothing unusual about this.
So MI5 (its actually SIS) and the police will send undercover officers into Occupy at some point in order to gather intelligence on what it plans. We know this...they know this. We are not children and neither are they.
Arguing about this just makes us all look foolish which is a bad idea. Personally I don't bother arguing about this and don't know anybody else who does so am a bit confused about who is posting these comments...but there you go.
Personally, I don't think it matters that much. What people are really hot for...is the billions that are being stolen from us in order to pay for the wealthy 1% interests. That's criminally unfair and also very dangerous. That's what Occupy is about (among other things) and that's why Occupy will stay. The state cannot prevent or impede this movement, no more than it can prevent British and American citizens from being blown to pieces in Iraq or Afghanistan, or returning home with important limbs missing.
I think the government would certainly like Occupy gone, and will try to fill the airwaves with chatter to say that they are leaving...but we all know where that will get them?
If it isn't a royal wedding then its the Olympics, if it isn't the Olympics then its the Jubilee, if it isn't the Jubilee then its some other mindless and superficial distraction.
The 1% really are a miserably impotent breed.
The only way to get on the right side of them...is to support war, theft, corruption and misanthropy in abundance.
The 99% are better than that. Its weak to steal, lie, cheat and hate your brothers and your sisters.
anonymous.
Enough of the James Bond stuff
05.01.2012 09:23
The Security Services are not there to protect the government, they exist to prevent the violent overthrow of democracy, they don't care which flavour of government is in power just that it is the democratically elected one. The UK Left has been infiltrated along with the UK Right for the simple reason they both wish to have an Executive in power that is not the elected one.
"They are paid very good salaries to do this"
They wish ! They are Civil Servants on Civil Servant pay grades, you might think Civil Servants are paid "very good salaries' but I don't think you would get many agreeing with you.
Ian Fleming
Hit a nerve
05.01.2012 10:22
It must be difficult to come to realise that the political Left it viewed the same as the political Right (a threat to Democracy) .
Your fear of the truth is very amusing
Ian Fleming
Blue + Red = Purple.
05.01.2012 11:36
The 'left' and the 'right' are flip-sides of the same coin.
They don't much care about being winners (government) and losers (opposition). Drawing a salary from the public purse makes winners of them all. Economic variation of climate in the form of recession or depression doesn't apply to them. In times like this...being paid to sit in Parliament waiting it out must be a real boon.
What the left and right are really about, is slack-jawed laziness and getting by in the world under the permanently guaranteed 'open umbrella' that is the public purse.
They won't be losing their homes, they won't be losing their limbs, they won't be losing their jobs, their families, their income, their marriages, their children, their sanity and their lives. They won't be sacrificing anything. They just know how to enoble and lionise our sacrifices. That's what they pay themselves to do.
We are just their fools.
The left and the right are identical. They have spent so much time hating each other...they have become dopplegangers.
Now we have NO POLITICAL CHOICE whatsoever.
anonmymous.
Political choice
05.01.2012 12:22
Actually we have a lot, like most Western democracies our choices are almost limitless what you mean is the vast majority of those who vote do not share your choice which is a very different thing.
You are right in saying the Left and Right are the same in one way, they both represent views that make them un-electable resulting in their need to blame somebody or something else for their failure.
For the Right, it is people who are not like them in some way - skin colour, religion and of course Jews.
For the Left it is the State, the 'system' and of course Jews which they call Zionists so they can pretend they are not as antisemitic as the Right.
Both are equally stupid and both are so sidelined in the current Western democracies it is laughable. When I was young the chances of a Socialist Britain were probably 60/40 against now I doubt it is 1 in 100. The Right of course have never been electable in the UK with only the Left thinking them a threat.
Observer
flippin eck
05.01.2012 13:02
Whilst i do not doubt for a moment that they are actively trying to gather info and cause disruption..... what I do doubt is their effectiveness in doing so.
Having experienced the shock of discovering that a friend of mine was an undercover, I can tell you it was de mystifying...... that is to say the reality of it was much less sinister and sophisticated than the paranoid fantasy.
STOP WITH THE PARANOID FANTASIES! theres an awful lot of bullshit out there on the internet and the information overload seems to be too much to take for people who are ill equipped to sift through all the nonsense and the lies to find any kind of truth.
Conspiracy types tend not to be very good at analysing data..... but that doesnt mean there is no truth in any of it.... just that that truth will remain hidden so long as people have such a lazy attitude towards information.
reality might seem a bit boring to some folk after all the hype.......
undercovers are often not very good, and obvious.....
look out especially for over 30s who have cash to burn and are keen to find out about you
but who are not very good at expressing their opinions about anything.
good luck
meatloaf
Re Bickering
06.01.2012 19:33
streetpunk
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Rob
Occupy Yourself
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