Jeremy Clarkson insults Asians

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the real facts

02.01.2012 16:36

"Not content with broadcasting Anders Breivik style calls for the shooting of public sector workers and saying the remains of suicide victims should be eaten by wild animals, BBC presenter..."
No one actually believes that Clarkson really wanted to shoot public sector workers. The majority of people believe it was a joke.

"Jeremy Clarkson has been accused of racism after insulting Indian people in a Top Gear Xmas show, just two days after Indian student Anuj Bidve was shot dead in Salford."
1. Accused by who?
2. Just two days after?! Im sure that on all 365 days of the year you'd find some coincidence and use it as an excuse.

"Jeremy Clarkson, James May and Richard Hammond painted huge banners and hung them from the side of Indian trains, which, ostensibly promoting British I.T. and food products, read "BRITISH IT FOR YOUR COMPANY" and "EAT ENGLISH MUFFINS". When the train split into 2 sections on leaving Jaipur railway station, each banner tore into 2 halves, leaving one half that read just ""BRITI" with the other half read "SHIT FOR YOUR COMPANY", and another half that read "INS" while the rest read "EAT ENGLISH MUFF".

No it didn't!! Its in the photo and you've deliberately missed the top part of the sign off.
It says "The united kingom promotes shit for your company."
I thought it was very funny and so did plenty of other people.

"If BNP leader Nick Griffin travelled to India to display banners reading "Shit on India" and "Suck English Cunt" it would be no different.
It would be COMPLETELY different. Because it is a different person and a completely different sign. You might as well say it is no different to you posting on indymedia complaints about jeremy clarkson.

"The Top Gear crew illustrated arriving in Jaipur - a town "famous for its natural springs", by showing scenes of locals urinating, and in another scene Jeremy Clarkson stripped off in front of two Indians - all incredibly clever and funny, except for not being clever or funny, and being pathetic."
I think you are probably watching the wrong program then. Perhaps you should watch something like Jasper Carrot or Midsumer murders?

"Jeremy Clarkson even chose to mock the desperate living conditions of India's poor, driving around working-class neighbourhoods in a Jaguar fitted with a toilet mounted on his car boot."
Not sure how that mocks the indians poor.

"The programme was shown by BBC2 TV at 8pm on Weds 28 Dec, just two days after Asian student Anuj Bidve was shot dead at point-blank range in Salford. "
It would be two days after something that upsets you no matter what day they broadcast it - because you are determined to be offended by it and will find any reasons.

The BBC have yet to find the courage to say how many MORE members of the public complained since the 31,000 objections they'd received by 5 Dec 2011 - an entire month ago, alongside the 800 plus complaints lodged with Ofcom. Please increase the pressure by lodging fresh complaints with Ofcom and with the BBC about Jeremy Clarkson's racism (and judging by Top Gear employees' constant trolling of earlier IMC threads, public complaints have seriously rattled them, even if the likes of BBC boss Mark Thompson and Top Gear producer Andy Wilman themselves don't actually give a fuck)...

Quite simply - no. If im going to complain against anyone it is you.
If you dont like it - watch something else, because a lot of people do like it. A few spoil sports are therefore not going to have an effect.

stave off our rights

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Response to Stave

02.01.2012 16:51

Stave pretends this post "deliberately missed the top part of the sign off. It says "The united kingom promotes shit for your company"."

In fact the top part of this photo is NOT missed off, so Stave wrote his/her response without even looking at the original post, likewise for the rest of his/her arguments

Clark Kent

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JEREMY CLARKSON KILLED ON M62 IN PILE UP!!!!!!

02.01.2012 17:04

Oh do fucking grow up and get a fucking life for fucks sake.

Silly curly haired talentless cunt Jeremy fucking Clarkson says someting offensive to help with his book sales...because his PR company fuckwit-fiona told him too.

Says something deeply offensive in the run up to the Christmas shopping rush just in time to sell his shitty meritless book and then does exactly the same again just before new years eve to help sell the same fucking book for the New Years eve rush.

Can you see a pattern here or are you really really that fucking stupid?

P.S Don't answer that last question...we already know the answer!

When jeremy Clarkson dies horrifically in a head on car crash with a 8 feet deep brick wall then you can post an article about it. Till then.....FUCK OFF AND STOP POSTING THIS SHIT HERE.

Jeremy Clarkson's PR company.

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errrrr!

02.01.2012 17:08

This story should be

"Indymedia promote Z-list celebrity and leave entire readership puzzled to death"

Jeeees!!!

anon

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people on 'ere

02.01.2012 17:11

Most of these "people" (I use the term with difficulty) complain about Clarkson are not actually offended by it they are just pretending to be offended. If they were offended then they wouldn't need to be putting 'call-outs' to get other people to complain. Thats just blatant manipulation of an honest complaints system by trying to juggle the figures through manipulation aka a politician tactic.

foolish children

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Good grief.

02.01.2012 17:12

This has GOT to be a PR company responsible for this rubbish.

I want to read about Egypt and Syria and Liberty Square and OLSX and the global revolution.

I don't want to read about some talentless BBC motoring journalist.

I mean that, I really don't.

Andy Walker.

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Jizza in Iraq

02.01.2012 17:15

Something tells me absolutely nobody will respond to this call out, because absolutely nobody gives even the slightest shit about BBC programming.

Can't the BBC send Jizza back to Iraq dressed as an US army general.

Now that would be worth broadcasting.

anon

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Many more non-complainers than there were complainers

02.01.2012 17:19

@ The majority of people believe it was a joke?

Yes. I doubt you will find anyone who things Clarkson was serious about a soldier putting a Beretta to someones head and pulling the trigger in front of their family. I mean - do you REALLY think he meant it? Really? If so - you really need to get out more.

@ 31,000+ complained to the BBC and 800+ complained to Ofcom
Against about 60,000,000 people who DID NOT complain to the BBC.
I think the non-complainers win hands down.
Also, a lot more than 31,000+ watched it and DIDN'T COMPLAIN

Mike

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None cares.

02.01.2012 17:29

WTF!!!

Who gives a shit????

anon

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astro-turfing?

02.01.2012 17:34

The report was posted at 16:18

and a stream of comments appeared at 16:36 | 16:48 | 16:51 | 17:04 | 17:07 | 17:08 | 17:11 | 17:12 | 17:15 | 17:19 | 17:29

Looks like somebody has been real busy......

smell a rat

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smelly rat

02.01.2012 18:45

then you post 5 minutes later accusing it of all being fake
looks like you are the troll trying to support casual racism

rat catcher

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@rat catcher

02.01.2012 18:50

"then you post 5 minutes later accusing it of all being fake
looks like you are the troll trying to support casual racism"

In what way exactly do you read my post as supporting casual racism?

I merely pointed out that the number of comments and the timing suggested that someone was trolling the thread.

The person(s) who posted the comments seem very keen that no-one should take casual racism seriously however.

smell a rat

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Do something more interesting instead

02.01.2012 19:12

If you're appalled by JC endlessly (as you appear to be), then turn off the TV, get yourself out to the Occupy camp and do something more worthwhile with your time.

I thought all this tut-tutting at TV programs had ended with the demise of Mary Whitehouse though it seems I was wrong.

Fight for the things worth fighting for (freedoms) rather than trying to restrict the freedoms of the millions of people worldwide who enjoy programmes such as Top Gear (in part because of the childish wit of JC, et al).

Priorities

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Jeremy Clarkson the clown.

02.01.2012 19:35

"The person(s) who posted the comments seem very keen that no-one should take casual racism seriously however."

This article isn't about casual racism. Its about how BBC employees can use racism casually for product promotion...and how reactionaries such as yourself can fling themselves about on the internet getting incensed about comments that are designed to sell product.

Happens all the time at the BBC. They spend their entire lives stoking controversy in order to control the reactions that come back from the public. Its called 'real-time polling' and government couldn't function in this country without it. Hasn't it ever struck you as odd that whenever something odd or bad happens...the BBC want your opinions straight away. Thats because Downing Street need an immediate poll to build a statement with. Which they release not long after.

You see, its a media governed world we live in. Your TV is a tyrant and a snitch that works for the government...and only for the government.

Kinda surpised you couldn't figure that one out yerself actually...being an anarchist n' all!

Jeremy Clarkson isn't a racist. He isn't anything. He's just making filthy-lucre and he can afford not to beleive in anything.

He can afford to make jokes about truck drivers and murdered prostitutes, public service workers being executed, Indians and so on. He can afford to be a clown.

He is a Capitalist clown. You don't need to help him by playing the dumb middle class 'appalled of suburbia' idiot.

"Tiff" Needell.

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Down ye go.

02.01.2012 19:56

"Fight for the things worth fighting for (freedoms) rather than trying to restrict the freedoms of the millions of people worldwide who enjoy programmes such as Top Gear (in part because of the childish wit of JC, et al)."

No, its not just childish wit.

The thing is its only funny (I suppose) if you have no experience of what the joke is about. These kind of jokes aren't funny for people in the real world. They are just tragic.

Jokes about the Iraqi and Afghani wars, economic strife and murder and so on might be funny for TV personalities but they just aint funny for those who have been touched by these tragedies. The only people who can make jokes about these subjects with any skill are professional comedians and even they tread a fine line. Clarkson is no comedian. He is a motoring journalist and a pretty bad one at that.

Thats the thing about these programs and personalities, childish wit is actually just juvenile ignorance which for some is itself entertainment...bugger knows why, must be bad parenting or massive drug abuse as children.

The BBC just look like belligerent idiots for allowing these people to remain in employment.

But I agree with the other posters. The best way is not to engage. In the entertainment industry they have a saying...

"Love us or hate us...just please don't ignore us".

Ignore them wholesale, that'll sort these idiots out.

Winter.

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ffs

02.01.2012 20:07

"and how reactionaries such as yourself can fling themselves about on the internet getting incensed about comments that are designed to sell product"

Can you show me where I did this?

Or are you trolling

To help you heres the links to the comments I made:

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astro-turfing?

02.01.2012 17:34
The report was posted at 16:18
and a stream of comments appeared at 16:36 | 16:48 | 16:51 | 17:04 | 17:07 | 17:08 | 17:11 | 17:12 | 17:15 | 17:19 | 17:29

Looks like somebody has been real busy......

https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/01/490721.html?c=on#c277586

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@rat catcher

02.01.2012 18:50
"then you post 5 minutes later accusing it of all being fake
looks like you are the troll trying to support casual racism"

In what way exactly do you read my post as supporting casual racism?

I merely pointed out that the number of comments and the timing suggested that someone was trolling the thread.
The person(s) who posted the comments seem very keen that no-one should take casual racism seriously however.

https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/01/490721.html?c=on#c277591

_____________________________________________________

So remind me what I think of Clarkson in my own words......

Or perhaps its you getting incensed about comments that weren't made?

smell a rat

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the rat

02.01.2012 20:35

You sounds like one of those people who says a lot, uses lots of words, but doesn't actually say anything of value.

We have no idea of what you think of clarkson - after how many posts, and god knows how many words. Ever thought of getting a job as an up and coming politician?

Surprised no one has mentioned the Zionists yet

And this crap about TV and the government spy thing. Pffffffff!
Over complex. Clarkson is an entertainer. Hes paid to entertain people
When too few people watch him, he wont be on anymore
Government doesn't come into it. How do you explain ITV and Channel 5 who survive on advertising? Kind of blows your theory out of the water.

Hes an entertaining. He gives the people what they want and is paid a damn fine wage for doing so.

People like you arnt really his target audience

cold story

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just wondering

02.01.2012 20:52

looks like freedom of speech has been turned off for the comments

victim of thought police

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Who?

03.01.2012 04:01

Sorry, who is Jeremy Clarkson?

anon

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Moderators!!!!

03.01.2012 11:44

"Let's mount the pressure to remove this outspoken bigot from his position of power."

Sure, and when next Christmas arrives he'll be doing exactly the same thing and you will be doing exactly the same impression of Mrs Simpson of suburbia.

Where did all the other comments go. Why have they been hidden?

Got something to hide have you?

anon

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interesting only for ...

03.01.2012 15:36

Interesting only for the reactions it has produced.

The reactions of those claiming some pervasive racism on the part of Clarkson are completely over the top and are ... er ...reactionary. They do more damage to the cause of fighting racism than anything else. Hysterical, but not funny.

The reactions of the mods here is rather more worrying than the story itself. Do we really need protecting[sic] from a few badly phrased comments? Are the mods within their rights to deny us the full spectrum of ideas and viewpoints, to prevent full exchange and meaningful debate?

I say no. Further, I request that the mods make an account of themselves for a change and not hide behind either anonymity or broad and vague editorial guidelines.

Irritant

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in defence of trollls droppings

03.01.2012 17:33

"Further, I request that the mods make an account of themselves for a change and not hide behind either anonymity or broad and vague editorial guidelines."

So write to the list. And the irony of someone calling themsleves 'irritant' demanding that people give their details escapes only fools.

Victor James Ponsonby-Smythe DOB 19-05-82

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not good enough

04.01.2012 10:04

the mods need to answer their critics openly in this space ...

... answer the people in the place that the people use, not everyone (hardly any) use or are aware even of this 'other' place.

the mods are out of order, their censors pen too busy and their gate-keeping on par with the over zealous, it is not enough just to repeat the same mantra of rules when the issue at hand produces more blanked space than it does interaction.

indymedia used to be vibrant and its potential used to be exciting ... now it begins to resemble more the stricture of the mainstream 'control' of issues and the neurotic response to being questioned on contentious issues that belong more to those with something to hide than it does to truly open publishing.

this is not something that can be countered in secret or in rarefied atmospheres

be brave, do something different - like those that first conceived of the need for an alternative to 'the press'

Irritant

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'the mods need to answer their critics openly in this space ... '

04.01.2012 10:50

The UK mods never address criticism or welcome newcomers to the fold. The story of the decline of Indymedia UK is the story of how three individuals concentrated power around themselves, sat back and happily watched the majority of the old Collective walk away.

The number of unique visitors to the site is the lowest it has ever been and is still in decline month by month eventually only the moderators themselves will be left reading a daily diet of "Jews are running the banks" and "911 was an inside job" posts.

Former IMCister

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"everyone has own opinions"

04.01.2012 12:38

True but as you have just demonstrated not always good ones. I suggest you re-read my post and try and understand it before writing another knee jerk response to something you have failed to fully comprehend.

Amazed

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yeah???

04.01.2012 13:19

nice try 'former icmista' ... but your analysis is [deliberately] wide of the mark

it is precisely the impossibility of engaging in debate about zionism, the war on terra and the reality of our situation as targets for false flag politics that turn people away from sites like these

as much as they desire too and make the occasional attempt too, those who would like to comment freely and engage on those subjects do not bother with this site any more than they do over at sites of the mainstream media that promise 'comment is free' etc yet, like indymedia, ensure that comments are hidden, moderated or otherwise censored

this is my 'occasional attempt', and now, having yet again proved to myself that meaningful exchange is impossible here, will return to those sites more conducive to such

that does not mean that I, and many others, are not irked and saddened by the failure of this project

Irritant

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irritant

04.01.2012 13:49

Firstly - it seems that you know how to read hidden comments - so you're thus able to read the whole thread. You can't do that on cif.

"it is precisely the impossibility of engaging in debate about zionism, the war on terra and the reality of our situation as targets for false flag politics that turn people away from sites like these"

Indymedia uk is a newswire - not a bulletin board.It doesn't work as a bulletin board, because anonymous posting is open to abuse including the plethora of sock-puppets used by 'ex-IMCster', who started trolling the thread to death within 20 minutes of it being posted. If you're looking for debate then you need a different site.

If you're looking for accountability and discussion about how the boards are modded then you are banging your head against a brick wall by posting it to the wire. It isn't news and it WILL get hidden.

If you want to discuss how debate can be better managed, then you have the option of discussing it on the list, which is read by all the admins - most commemts are not.

As much as you want free speech, the feedback we continually receive is that people are put off posting news items, because of the trolling and abuse that goes on. In lieu of that moderation has to be kept tight. Other uk IMCs now have the option of comment free threads - personally I think that is a step too far.

Nowhere, ever has Indymedia uk claimed to be a free speech site.

I can still see no reason whatsoever for revealing my identity to someone who hides behind anonymity themselves.

Victor James Ponsonby-Smythe DOB 19-05-82

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I will give you the benefit of the doubt..

04.01.2012 19:00

.. and assume you are actually cleverer than your posts suggest and are doing this for comic effect or to be controversial. I will assume you know that the 31000 complaints have already been ignored by the BBC (Top Gear is the most watched show worldwide the BBC produces and makes them shed loads of money) but of greater importance is the po-faced, self righteous posturing over a non issue largely manufactured by the non Murdoch media

Amazed

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04.01.2012 23:21

I will give you the benefit of the doubt..
04.01.2012 19:00

.. and assume you are actually cleverer than your posts suggest and are doing this for comic effect or to be controversial.

Smug chopper

I will assume you know that the 31000 complaints have already been ignored by the BBC (Top Gear is the most watched show worldwide the BBC produces and makes them shed loads of money)

No one is realistically calling for the scrapping of Top Gear. The issue isn't Top Gear, it is the racist element in it, which can be avoided whilst still keeping a 1st-class entertaining and profitable program that is enjoyed by the masses and that Britain can be proud of.

.... but of greater importance is the po-faced, self righteous posturing over a non issue largely manufactured by the non Murdoch media

In your opinion. Cant see it myself.

opinions are my own

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Top Gear - Racist ?

05.01.2012 09:41

"it is the racist element in it,"

If you are really saying you can see racism in the Top Gear Indian episode then I feel sorry for you but then I suppose for some a determination to see racism where none exists can be a crutch for some people.

The Stig