Video of EDL getting spanked in Mile End

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You leftists will be the first against the wall under an Islamic regime!

04.09.2011 12:12

You stupid fools, don't you know that the radical Islamists will put you against the wall first once they come to power? Radical muslims hate leftism, read up about the civil war in Afghanitan from 1980 to 1988 which was between progressive communists and the hardline mujihadene! The jihadists of Afghanistan slaughtered the Afghan communists when they finally managed to seize power.

Resist Islamic extremism

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Resist - yes of course...

04.09.2011 14:20

Yes of course we realise that Islamic extremists are anti left wing. The far right / EDL / BNP and Islamic extremists are two sides of the same bigotted coin.

You only need to look at Iran to see what happened to anarchist and socialist revolutionaries in an Islamic dictatorship.

Howvever, as rational people with some common sense we realise that there is no chance that the UK is about to become an Islamic theocratic dictatorship! FFS, even in Egypt where Muslims make up the vast majority of the population they are not calling for a theocratic dictatorship - but rather they are calling for greater public governance, more freedoms from the state, and women's rights (see also the recent women's protest in Libya). Given that is the case in much of the Middle East, and given most UK Muslims think Anjem Choudary is a complete moron (or state stooge) it's hardly likely that we are about to become an Islamist state is it, you fucking idiot!!!

Meanwhile, in case you didn't notice, the government is cutting public services on a massive scale, destroying income and prospects in our communities. The far right muppets in the EDL do the rich and powerful a favour by forgetting about the cuts, and the economic bankruptcy of capitalism, and instead they push a bigotted agenda of divide and rule. Remember what happened last time a religious group was singled out for bigotted hatred and persecution in Europe. It started with name calling. Look where it ended up.

Now fuck off back to your sewer!!!

Giuseppe Pinelli

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more intimidation of photographers

04.09.2011 21:29

"... if the video did not show faces of people challenging the EDL. Too late now. Wonder when film makers will become aware of people's safety and privacy, if ever. Yesterday I told a photographer to stick his camera up his..."

That is not on at all. Freedom to take pictures is being infringed on by the state and then we have people like you joining this intimidation as well.

Photographers and reporters should have the freedom to take pictures and express themselves without fascists like you threatening them with physical assault. If you told me to stick my camera, i'd smash your face in in self defence.

phototog

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Watched the video.......

04.09.2011 21:32

It is all asians attacking a bus!??!?

WTF? Can't believe this shit happens. What is fucking wrong with the country

dave

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Attacked

04.09.2011 21:38

They didn't get shown up, they got attacked by a rampant asian mob
Another demonstration of what is wrong with this country
Bloody foreigners running around committing crime, looting and rioters and now smashing up buses with no regard for the passenger's safety

Fuck em. Glad we are bombing their fucking countries. May it long continue.

jesus

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Attacking the bus

05.09.2011 00:37

Evidently the 2 twats below can't see the connection between the EDL Nazis shown here and the reaction these Nazis provoked. FYI you morons these Nazis represent an ideology that murdered tens of thousands of innocent British people during the Blitz

Ken Kesey

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to phototog

05.09.2011 01:56

if your "freedom to take photographs" means you are taking pictures of people engaging in militant resistance and doing it against their will and by publishing you are endangering their FREEDOM in very real meaning of that word then be assured you will be getting slapped again and again. This is not intimidation- this is self-preservation. We don't need journos thinking they got a mission to do and then helping police opressors do their job better by providing free intelligence.

anarchist

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freedom to take pictures

05.09.2011 16:53

if your "freedom to take photographs" means you are taking pictures of people engaging in militant resistance and doing it against their will and by publishing you are endangering their FREEDOM in very real meaning of that word then be assured you will be getting slapped again and again. This is not intimidation- this is self-preservation. We don't need journos thinking they got a mission to do and then helping police opressors do their job better by providing free intelligence.

Without photos and videos from members of the public, the truth about Ian Tomlinson's death would most likely have been swept under the carpet and never known. It was only through people taking pictures that this was not the case.

"Many activists are heartily sick of irresponsible photographers snapping away on demos and actions."
No matter - the rights of the members of public do freely do things in public spaces without fear of violence are absolute.

"Every photo taken by these voyeurs has the potential to get people nicked. If I ask you to stop taking photos of me and you call me a fascist you'll be needing a new camera."
But this does make you a fascist. You are using violence to get your own way. If you attacked me for my camera, then I'd leave you kissing the pavement and be perfectly in my moral and legal right to do so. It also goes against everything that the left persues in terms of freedom from violence control. What you going to next? Attack people for their skin colour, or their sexuality? Scum bullies like you should be stood up to at all costs.

phototog (ex-amateur boxer)

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Photodog

05.09.2011 19:26

You are clearly a complete idiot with no comprehension of what fascism is, and a right-wing view of what freedom itself is. You are willing not only to tread on other people's freedom by photographing them irrespective of their wishes, but also to endanger their liberty. Since you're such a 'hard man' and you don't mind robbing other people of their anonymity (by force if necessary) why don't you post up your name?

John Baker (and my lens is bigger than yours tourist)

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Amateur boxer, professional tosser

05.09.2011 19:50

So if you take my photograph and I object, I'm a fascist?! Have you had too many punches to the head, you idiot?

Antifascist

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we are exempt because we are special

05.09.2011 20:28

>>>>>>>> You are clearly a complete idiot with no comprehension of what fascism is, and a right-wing view of what freedom itself is. You are willing not only to tread on other people's freedom by photographing them irrespective of their wishes, but also to endanger their liberty. Since you're such a 'hard man' and you don't mind robbing other people of their anonymity (by force if necessary) why don't you post up your name?

Why would i want to post my name up? What possible incentive would i have for that? So some toerag can come around and stratch my car or post poo through my letterbox at 3am? Are you insane? I think you are the real idiot here and clearly have no common sense. Any idiot who puts their real name on a forum or similar like this when they have clearly been OPENINGLY THREATENED would be an idiot. You are an idiot for thinking that anyone would be idiot enough to do it and that it is a good idea. Just what the hell is going on in your head if you actually think that is smart reasoning? I'm surprised you actually manage to get through a day without harming yourself somehow?

If you bothered to read the thread and not just scan read it, I said I objected to someone trying to stick my camera up my .... or smashing my camera. If they ASKED me to stop taking pictures, do you know what: I probably would. But if they threaten or use violence, then I will definitely not even if just to wind the fuckers up and piss them off. Because people who use violence and bullying should never, ever be given into (especially if you can lay them out cold). Civil behaviour is a different matter.

Heres the crux of the argument.......................................
What if an antifascist killed someone? That could be a vital loss of evidence in the same way that Ian Tomlinson's killer was identified. Basically, you are asking for a legal ban of photography of antifascists whereby no one is allowed to photograph them. Utter bollox + it is discrimination against everyone else if you can photograph the police etc but not antifascists. It would never pass as law. And if it aint law, then no one needs to comply and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>>>> So if you take my photograph and I object, I'm a fascist?! Have you had too many punches to the head, you idiot?

At no point have you said that you would "object". You have said:
a) Threatening to stick my camera up my .,.... is not "objecting"
b) Telling me you'd smash my camera ..... is not "objecting"

You may be able to bully and intimidate some people but i know your kind. As soon as someone bigger than you stands up and calls you out, your kind always back down.

The police no doubt try that threatening behaviour all the time, yet some brave souls stand firm and thats how we get photos and videos of some of the bad things that they do. Why not the same for antifascists or fascists or any other group in existance? That is how real journalism works. Transparency is key and that must not be broken by a select powerful few no matter who they are else it will just breed and attract corrupt. Imagine if anti-fascists were except from photographs.............. suddenly every nutjob / fascist and loony would become an anti-fascist.

phototog

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Attn Phototog

05.09.2011 20:34

You have got some cheek comparing yourself to an oppressed minority, your posts have more in common with those of the EDL. Apart from the fact that you, like them, talk shite, your posts are littered with threats of violence, you are very clearly a macho wanker. Also, like the EDL, you are quite prepared to abuse the freedom of others while railing about your own freedom, which you seem to think means you can just do whatever you want. And like the EDL I suspect you're rather an insecure, silly little man, posturing violence about a perceived threat to your way of life, and willing to use whatever specious argument comes into your empty little head first.

Lizzie Borden

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Photographer Loses Plot!

05.09.2011 20:53

It seems to be other posters who are being "OPENINGLY THREATENED" by YOU Mr Fantasy Tough-Guy Photographer! You're clearly losing the plot as your increasingly deranged posts show. You are a Redwatch stooge and a police tout - no wonder you're so frightened of being identified yourself - though I suspect your name is actually Walter Mitty. You've given a perfect illustration of why people are right to distrust photographers.

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more dictators

05.09.2011 20:57

>>>>>> You have got some cheek comparing yourself to an oppressed minority, your posts have more in common with those of the EDL.
????? what planet are you on? I'm not comparing myself to an oppressed minority - where the hell have i said that?! I said i don't like people threatening me, and told them that if they do i'll take it one step further than they have. If someone grabs my camera and trys to stick it up my arse, then I will stop them........ you think this is wrong? Are you mad?
Basically, your "EDL" labeling is the equivilent of saying "SHES A WITCH!!!!!!!!" ....... pretty childish - you see kids in playgrounds doing that name calling.

>>>>>> Apart from the fact that you, like them, talk shite, your posts are littered with threats of violence, you are very clearly a macho wanker
I was the one threatened with violence. If you BOTHERED to actually read the comments.
Are you suggesting that people should cave in when they are threatened?

>>>>>> Also, like the EDL, you are quite prepared to abuse the freedom of others while railing about your own freedom, which you seem to think means you can just do whatever you want.
Errr.......... actually, IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ THE COMMENTS...... I was told what i can and can't do, and i was also threatened if I didn't do what i was told to do. AFTER THAT, i told them that i disagree and would do what i wanted because it is legal and moral allowed. No amount of threats would stop me. I'd probably give in if he pointed a loaded gun at my head. Or if there was a gang of them with knives, unfortunately these things can happen.

>>>>> And like the EDL I suspect you're rather an insecure, silly little man, posturing violence about a perceived threat to your way of life, and willing to use whatever specious argument comes into your empty little head first.

You've obviously not read the comments properly. My initial response was to someone threatening photographers going about their lawful business. If you have a problem with that, then you are obvious another one of these minority few who get off telling other people what they can and can't do. (ie. a fascist - a group who want to be in power and dictate to others the rules)

People buy cameras to take pictures. If you start bringing in more rules about what we can take pictures of then the world has no hope. No one will be able to take a picture of anything - bang go all human rights. We might as well all live in a police state if we follow your thinking
You can try - but there is a huge movement of photographers who will stand up against you.
Check it out its already happening.

phototog

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"Brave soul" or Mouthy coward

05.09.2011 21:13

What would you know about "proper journalism", a chimp could make more sense than you do?! When was the last time an antifascist killed anyone? World War 2?! I'm not "asking for a legal ban", I'm saying idiots like you should be told to fuck off. You're just a movhy coward.

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@anti fasc

05.09.2011 21:34

antifascists killing anyone?
Try Ivan Fumic. History has taught us, antifascist can become the fascist. Or a communist
You won’t become an antifascist by paying a membership and the antifascist is not a life-time label. The real antifascist has to live antifascism for his whole life.

That means not become a small group of people who have special rules that only apply to themselves.

You don't want to be photographed? Fine - then no one can be photographed.
If you want special treatment that only applies to your group - they you are corrupt and should never be given any power as power is well known to corrupt.

phototog

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You read the thread phototog!

05.09.2011 21:38

The first threat on this thread comes from Phototog in post 7 when in threatenes to smash someone's face in. In fact all the threats of violence seem to come from him.

As for his 'arguments', can I just add my name to the long list of posters laughing themselves silly?!

Sam

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@sam the loser

05.09.2011 21:48

Facts:
1) I wasn't even speaking to you.
2) Liar.
3) I responded to someone who told a photographer to stick his camera up his.....
4) I said, that if someone threatened me like like i'd smash their face in.

Last time i checked.... 3) is before 4). Go and play in the sandpit and leave thinking to the adults. lol!

Photographers take pictures of things and people.
What are you going to do about it?

phototog

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Just a 'loony' with a camera

05.09.2011 22:09

And one that could get you nicked. Be warned. Don't trust photographers (or any other fool with a camera).

Antifascist

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Photog

05.09.2011 22:32

You really are a silly little boy aren't you? Maybe, if you ever grow up, mummy and daddy will buy you a real camera, with film and everything. I doubt that'll happen for a long time though.

LB

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@LB

05.09.2011 22:38

Photographers take pictures of antifascists.
What are you going to do about it?

phototog

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Throwing sand around

05.09.2011 22:43

Do you really think of yourself as an adult Photog? I am sure there are scores of indymedia readers splitting their sides at the very thought!

Samantha

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@Samantha fox

05.09.2011 22:54

Maybe in your little mind there is lol!
Anyway, what are you going to do about these pesky photographers who take your picture?

phototog

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Sorry I'm a wanker

05.09.2011 23:00

Mummy says I have to apologize too everyone for all my threts and abuse on indimedia. I have not been taking my ritalin. I am sorry for that and for being a thick little wanker whoose wauched two many Steven seagal films an who is bearly literate..

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STOP IT!

05.09.2011 23:20

I'LL SMASH ALLYOUR FACES IN!

Prototog

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Personally...

05.09.2011 23:32

...I'm quite looking forward to the video of this obnoxious little twerp getting a spanking. Unfortunately though, he is endangering other photographers with his threats and general stupidity.

NUJ Photographer

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its still going to happen

06.09.2011 06:42

I still think people will take photos of you whether you like it or not. Clearly there is nothing you can do about it except whinge about it. Mostly just hot air. Can't see anything here that will stop people. Prosecution rests.

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Demo culture needs to change

06.09.2011 07:36

When the culture of our resistance becomes more militant, as we have seen recently, and as always been the case in Europe, self-confessed police evidence gatherers such as Phototog simply will not be tolerated. I suspect it is all his threats and macho posturing (thankfully cleaned away now) that is 'hot air'.

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taking pictures in public

06.09.2011 16:52

>> Many activists are heartily sick of irresponsible photographers snapping away on demos and actions. Sometimes, when it kicks off, there are more people taking photos than there are involved in the action.
Are they? Well i'm sure people are also sick of your irresponsible 'action' too.
If people arnt breaking the law, then they have the lawful right to do what they please

>> Every photo taken by these voyeurs has the potential to get people nicked.
Like the guy who attacked Ian Tomlinson?
If it is a rioter or a looter i would have thought most people would applaud more pictures.
If you aint doing anything illegal, then I doubt anyone would have any complaints.

>> If I ask you to stop taking photos of me and you call me a fascist you'll be needing a new camera.
If i needed a new camera then you'd be arrested, charged and punished

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Troll time again

06.09.2011 21:11

Isn't it past your bed-time again Phototog?

Sam