Obama's “big lie”: White House propaganda and the “death” of Osama bin Laden
Larry Chin | 02.05.2011 22:01 | Analysis | Anti-militarism | History | Sheffield | World
Obama has pronounced Osama bin Laden to be dead. But according to historical facts and extensive documented evidence, he may never have been alive in the way that the official propaganda has portrayed him. Or alive at all.
Osama bin Laden has been a CIA asset in reality, and a propaganda boogeyman in official fiction. The official Osama bin Laden narrative, along with “Islamic terrorism” and Al-Qaeda, is a CIA military-intelligence fabrication designed to provide a pretext for an eternal global war agenda, and to provide an ongoing propaganda pretext for the “war on terrorism”. The “Militant Islamic Network”, including bin Laden himself, has been, since the Cold War a intelligence network that has been “run” on behalf of Anglo-American interests.
The attack of 9/11 was a false flag operation, planned and carried out by Anglo-American intelligence assets, blamed on “Al-Qaeda”, despite no credible supporting evidence.
Osama bin Laden has been a CIA asset in reality, and a propaganda boogeyman in official fiction. The official Osama bin Laden narrative, along with “Islamic terrorism” and Al-Qaeda, is a CIA military-intelligence fabrication designed to provide a pretext for an eternal global war agenda, and to provide an ongoing propaganda pretext for the “war on terrorism”. The “Militant Islamic Network”, including bin Laden himself, has been, since the Cold War a intelligence network that has been “run” on behalf of Anglo-American interests.
The attack of 9/11 was a false flag operation, planned and carried out by Anglo-American intelligence assets, blamed on “Al-Qaeda”, despite no credible supporting evidence.
A news ticker displays information on Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's death in Pakistan as people attend a spontaneous celebration in New York's Times Square, 2 May 2011
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Obama's “big lie”: White House propaganda and the “death” of Osama bin Laden
by Larry Chin, Global Research, 2 May 2011
On the evening of May 1, 2011, President Barack Obama declared that the CIA, on his personal order, successfully killed Al-Qaeda “mastermind” Osama bin Laden. In a conveniently scheduled Sunday evening telecast, Obama shamelessly wielded tired lies and 9/11 propaganda, while congratulating himself and the CIA. In classic lying George W. Bush fashion, Obama announced “mission accomplished”.
Obama has pronounced Osama bin Laden to be dead. But according to historical facts and extensive documented evidence, he may never have been alive in the way that the official propaganda has portrayed him. Or alive at all.
Osama bin Laden has been a CIA asset in reality, and a propaganda boogeyman in official fiction.
The official Osama bin Laden narrative, along with “Islamic terrorism” and Al-Qaeda, is a CIA military-intelligence fabrication designed to provide a pretext for an eternal global war agenda, and to provide an ongoing propaganda pretext for the “war on terrorism”.
The “Militant Islamic Network”, including bin Laden himself, has been, since the Cold War a intelligence network that has been “run” on behalf of Anglo-American interests.
The attack of 9/11 was a false flag operation, planned and carried out by Anglo-American intelligence assets, blamed on “Al-Qaeda”, despite no credible supporting evidence.
On the other hand, evidence abounds concerning the manipulation of terror assets, including bin Laden, by the CIA. This milieu was thoroughly examined by Mike Ruppert in Crossing the Rubicon, in which he concluded:
“Given the degree of documented intelligence penetration of al Qaeda; the fact that Osama bin Laden had been a CIA asset during the first Afghan conflict against the Soviets; the fact that a number of the so-called hijackers and/or al Qaeda members had been trained in CIA training camps in Chechnya; had fought in CIA/US-sponsored guerrilla conflicts (e.g. in Kosovo with the KLA in 2000), or had received military training at US installations; given all that, it is reasonable to assume that one or more top al Qaeda officials were in fact double or triple agents…”
“Based upon what is known about successful intelligence penetrations for years prior to the attacks of 9/11, Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda could not have sneezed without the CIA or the NSA knowing about it.”
The assertion that bin Laden’s whereabouts have been unknown, that he could have eluded detection for a decade (including the “he’s hiding in caves along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border” and other such fables) was debunked years ago. According to a November 2003 Reuters report, bin Laden was received kidney dialysis in a US military hospital in Dubai two months before the 9/11 attacks, and again on September 10, 2001, according to Pakistani intelligence. These and other reports support the conclusion that Osama bin Laden was not only a CIA asset (one whose whereabouts were more than known), but one who was deathly ill. Other reports over the years suggest that the “mastermind” may have certainly died at some point, even while his image continued to be used incessantly to keep the “war on terrorism” alive.
President Obama’s lying before the cameras was as shameless as the clumsiness of the mainstream corporate media dance surrounding it. At the same time Obama stated in his speech that the killing of bin Laden had taken place “tonight” in a mountain hideout in Pakistan, various reporters on competing networks, citing multiple sources, contradicted Obama, stating that bin Laden was killed a week ago in a firefight near Islamabad, and that bin Laden’s body had been tested for DNA ever since. This conflict alone raises enough doubt to throw this new official story into the question. In the coming days, there will undoubtedly be more holes revealed.
Seasoned observers have said for years that Osama bin Laden---the mythic figure--- would elude capture as long as the Anglo-American elites needed to continue the current course of war in the Middle East and Central Asia. He would never be captured, absolutely never be put on trial, and would not be “killed” unless political expediency demanded it. The elites, for various reasons, have chosen this hour to end this tired and overused trump card.
The “successful kill” of bin Laden comes at a convenient time. Obama’s popularity has plummeted. His political opponents are threatening to unseat him in 2012. The continued US presence in the Middle East and support for the “war on terrorism” is fragile, weakened by popular protests, and ambivalence among Americans.
The “war on terrorism” narrative, the continuing world war done in its name, will never end. It is clear, however, that some change in course is in the works; at the very least, a tactical shift.
In the meantime, Barack Obama can now claim to have “finished the job” in Afghanistan, just as he promised to do when elected, and declare himself to be a champion anti-terrorist, a “take-charge” military leader and bastion of justice who has avenged 9/11. Obama will ride this hard for his re-election campaign.
In response to Obama’s victory speech, crowds (of unknown origin) gathered outside the White House chanting “U.S.A.”. Whether this spectacle was staged or genuine is not known. What is known is that the vast majority of the American public remains oblivious to the fact that their own government, Bush/Cheney and Obama administrations alike, have never stopped lying to them about 9/11, the “war on terrorism”, or Osama bin Laden.
On this night, Obama repeated The Big Lie, the biggest one of all.
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Obama's “big lie”: White House propaganda and the “death” of Osama bin Laden
by Larry Chin, Global Research, 2 May 2011
On the evening of May 1, 2011, President Barack Obama declared that the CIA, on his personal order, successfully killed Al-Qaeda “mastermind” Osama bin Laden. In a conveniently scheduled Sunday evening telecast, Obama shamelessly wielded tired lies and 9/11 propaganda, while congratulating himself and the CIA. In classic lying George W. Bush fashion, Obama announced “mission accomplished”.
Obama has pronounced Osama bin Laden to be dead. But according to historical facts and extensive documented evidence, he may never have been alive in the way that the official propaganda has portrayed him. Or alive at all.
Osama bin Laden has been a CIA asset in reality, and a propaganda boogeyman in official fiction.
The official Osama bin Laden narrative, along with “Islamic terrorism” and Al-Qaeda, is a CIA military-intelligence fabrication designed to provide a pretext for an eternal global war agenda, and to provide an ongoing propaganda pretext for the “war on terrorism”.
The “Militant Islamic Network”, including bin Laden himself, has been, since the Cold War a intelligence network that has been “run” on behalf of Anglo-American interests.
The attack of 9/11 was a false flag operation, planned and carried out by Anglo-American intelligence assets, blamed on “Al-Qaeda”, despite no credible supporting evidence.
On the other hand, evidence abounds concerning the manipulation of terror assets, including bin Laden, by the CIA. This milieu was thoroughly examined by Mike Ruppert in Crossing the Rubicon, in which he concluded:
“Given the degree of documented intelligence penetration of al Qaeda; the fact that Osama bin Laden had been a CIA asset during the first Afghan conflict against the Soviets; the fact that a number of the so-called hijackers and/or al Qaeda members had been trained in CIA training camps in Chechnya; had fought in CIA/US-sponsored guerrilla conflicts (e.g. in Kosovo with the KLA in 2000), or had received military training at US installations; given all that, it is reasonable to assume that one or more top al Qaeda officials were in fact double or triple agents…”
“Based upon what is known about successful intelligence penetrations for years prior to the attacks of 9/11, Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda could not have sneezed without the CIA or the NSA knowing about it.”
The assertion that bin Laden’s whereabouts have been unknown, that he could have eluded detection for a decade (including the “he’s hiding in caves along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border” and other such fables) was debunked years ago. According to a November 2003 Reuters report, bin Laden was received kidney dialysis in a US military hospital in Dubai two months before the 9/11 attacks, and again on September 10, 2001, according to Pakistani intelligence. These and other reports support the conclusion that Osama bin Laden was not only a CIA asset (one whose whereabouts were more than known), but one who was deathly ill. Other reports over the years suggest that the “mastermind” may have certainly died at some point, even while his image continued to be used incessantly to keep the “war on terrorism” alive.
President Obama’s lying before the cameras was as shameless as the clumsiness of the mainstream corporate media dance surrounding it. At the same time Obama stated in his speech that the killing of bin Laden had taken place “tonight” in a mountain hideout in Pakistan, various reporters on competing networks, citing multiple sources, contradicted Obama, stating that bin Laden was killed a week ago in a firefight near Islamabad, and that bin Laden’s body had been tested for DNA ever since. This conflict alone raises enough doubt to throw this new official story into the question. In the coming days, there will undoubtedly be more holes revealed.
Seasoned observers have said for years that Osama bin Laden---the mythic figure--- would elude capture as long as the Anglo-American elites needed to continue the current course of war in the Middle East and Central Asia. He would never be captured, absolutely never be put on trial, and would not be “killed” unless political expediency demanded it. The elites, for various reasons, have chosen this hour to end this tired and overused trump card.
The “successful kill” of bin Laden comes at a convenient time. Obama’s popularity has plummeted. His political opponents are threatening to unseat him in 2012. The continued US presence in the Middle East and support for the “war on terrorism” is fragile, weakened by popular protests, and ambivalence among Americans.
The “war on terrorism” narrative, the continuing world war done in its name, will never end. It is clear, however, that some change in course is in the works; at the very least, a tactical shift.
In the meantime, Barack Obama can now claim to have “finished the job” in Afghanistan, just as he promised to do when elected, and declare himself to be a champion anti-terrorist, a “take-charge” military leader and bastion of justice who has avenged 9/11. Obama will ride this hard for his re-election campaign.
In response to Obama’s victory speech, crowds (of unknown origin) gathered outside the White House chanting “U.S.A.”. Whether this spectacle was staged or genuine is not known. What is known is that the vast majority of the American public remains oblivious to the fact that their own government, Bush/Cheney and Obama administrations alike, have never stopped lying to them about 9/11, the “war on terrorism”, or Osama bin Laden.
On this night, Obama repeated The Big Lie, the biggest one of all.
Larry Chin
Homepage:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24594
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Wrong!
02.05.2011 22:13
Osama bin Laden
'Global Research'
02.05.2011 22:48
derf
OBLa dee OBLa da life goes on
02.05.2011 23:36
if you take the b from obama and the s from osama you have BS
this proves that the story that osama and obama are two different people is BULLSHIT
they were always the same person. When obama played osama he simply dressed differently and wore a fake beard
officially osama was 6'4'' while obama is officially 6' 1'' but when obama played osama he stood on tiptoes to pretend to be bigger so noone recognised him
the whole special forces operation never happened
its all lies i tell you
x
enough "global research"
02.05.2011 23:54
HOWEVER the argument would be even stronger if you stopped providing a platform for outright conspiracy theory nonsense and dictator-coddling such as the shite from "global research". We can have some standards.
anon
Building the conspiracy one sugarlump at a time!!!
03.05.2011 07:52
the whole special forces operation never happened
its all lies i tell you "
This is extremely weak and feeble.
The US has just carried out a major and very serious deception which the bulk of the media around the world have gone along with, rather than pass judgement on this and accept it as an opportunity, you post deranged and petty garbage that nobody in their right mind cares about.
What exactly is the point? Are you a supporter of the Democrat Party? Maybe its supposed to be humorous, in which case I can tell nobody is laughing!
"HOWEVER the argument would be even stronger if you stopped providing a platform for outright conspiracy theory nonsense and dictator-coddling such as the shite from "global research". We can have some standards."
Ok, that's good. Where is the article you posted about this story?
Please provide a link to it here so we can see what position you have taken on this very serious matter.
Let there be light!
It will pass
03.05.2011 10:28
-Inaccurate: posts that are inaccurate or misleading.
And often/sometimes because of these editorial guidelines:
-Non-news: posts which are clearly purely comment, opinion or rants unrelated to a recent event or action etc.
-Discrimination: posts using language, imagery, or other forms of communication promoting racism, fascism, xenophobia, sexism, homophobia or any other form of discrimination.
However, the comment section has had some good debate, which exposes the myths and misconceptions put across by the truth movement to any lurkers reading, which gives a more rounded picture - some of the truth BS, is slick BS, and I am amongst those who were first suckered by it. I do agree with hiding articles which blame Jews for 9/11, or that put across the idea that Muslims live in caves though.
James Allen
No to Islamism and corporatism.
03.05.2011 10:49
The war-on-terror is nothing more than a spectacle to make us feel powerless and to get us supporting one rich, right wing scumbag or another. Both sides are led by the rich, both sides are utterly evil. The people in Arabic countries have the right idea - no to Islamism and no to corporatism too.
anon
How strong is your horses hair?
03.05.2011 12:38
And
"The war-on-terror is nothing more than a spectacle to make us feel powerless and to get us supporting one rich, right wing scumbag or another. Both sides are led by the rich, both sides are utterly evil. The people in Arabic countries have the right idea - no to Islamism and no to corporatism too."
Are very good illustrations of how to fail at everything you do.
Let me say this outright here so there can be no problems with understanding.
Indymedia is a severe problem for the Whitehouse, and most major governments around the world. It represents a narrative which in and of itself is of potentially fatal significance to the authority of government. You see, all governments need complete control of the public discourse. Complete control infers that any issue that is difficult for the public to consume, can be edited and re-formulated by government and media in order to make things...more palatable. Any object or entity that exists outside of this arrangement...is a major and very very serious problem.
So...one has to expect that government, or those who represent it, either intentionally or unintentionally, will attempt to do anything they can to bring it under control. Enter conspiracies, undercover police, state agents, disruption, infantilisation, carefully crafted inacurate content and relentless politically motivated content published with one sole and long-standing objective...disable Indymedia UK. Remove it from a position where it can effect the public discourse.
So if you want to post with only one complaint about what the police, politicians, media and security services are doing here, then you are doing their work on their behalf...unpaid. You are highlighting their work, identifying with it, encouraging others to consider it above other more important content and disabling your own train of thought.
Or, you can teach yourself to see reason, see the object for what it is, and you can identify, engage with and sterilise this dubious content whenever it appears.
If you are really concerned with things like justice and fairness and are truly engaged with the idea of freedom of speech, then this will be truly effortless for you. There isn't so much as a single member of the entire apparatus of the state that can compete with you on this ground. If you have problems with these concepts, then the whole world is going to be a confusing mish-mash of tangled nonsense in which you cannot discern one tactic from another.
Try to remember this, most people when they reach the end of their lives consider one point more than any other. They consider why they didn't take more risks.
Don't be so frightened about picking a fight with the enemies of the people. They really are tyrants at heart, despite how expensive their suits are, how wonderfully white their teeth are, despite how much fake tan they are wearing. They are all tyrants at heart. I know, I have met most of them. You'd be surprised at how anti-social these figures are when the camera's are not recording.
So if you want to continue with Indymedia, you are really going to have to grow a backbone, and you are going to have to concern yourself a little less with content published on this site by people who are paid to undermine you and everything you represent.
As I said, if you know what is right, there is no-one that can stop you.
Now, Osama Bin Laden? Did you know the Americans have had him holed up in Pakistan since 2004? And what do you think of the fact the US Democratic party have just summarily executed him in his safe house while at the same time dumping the Pakistani's for all the world to see?
The Sword of Damocles.
Methinks ...
03.05.2011 12:50
Methinks you take yourself just a tad too seriously. I doubt if the White House is even aware of Indymedia, and, if it was, couldn't give a f*ck.
watta larf
Straw
03.05.2011 13:12
Strawman argument, I said nothing about police, politicians, media and security service postings, merely postings from truth activists, which I think come from truth activists.
James Allen
Fly in my soup.
03.05.2011 13:25
As a longstanding activist and having been in direct conflict with both the Whitehouse and Downing Street on a number of occasions I can only disagree.
The Whitehouse and Downing Street are perpetually concerned with the content of IMC UK and the content of Global Indymedia. They are also avid readers of Jihadist arabic-language websites. The Whitehouse and Downing Street policy units are not concerned with what gets the audience, they are concerned with who's got the ideas.
Perhaps your problem is you spend too much time watching TV. Maybe you read the Sun or Daily Mirror and can't tell shit from shoe polish?
If you disagree then you can always leave and go piss your life away on Twit-Face!
Knot-Eyed Jaguar
Cross Eyed Pussy Cat
03.05.2011 13:35
watta larf
Clarity.
03.05.2011 13:35
Perhaps they have come from Truth activists, but then again perhaps they haven't.
Knot-Eyed Jaguar
Little people!
03.05.2011 13:39
No, Just the Whitehouse and Downing Street. Does that seem to be impressive to you?
I can assure you its no big deal!
Knot-Eyed Jaguar
Pictures.
03.05.2011 14:12
Just a lot of guff and wittering from "the media that started the war".
anon
thank god for "historical facts and extensive documented evidence"
03.05.2011 16:59
It would be far more interesting to do the same with Global Research - the fountain of truth and wisdom.
muut
@ Knotty Eyed Jaguar
03.05.2011 17:01
I now realise you are of course taking the piss and having a bit of fun winding up activists. Very funny and well done.
Jeremy Beadle
Corpus delicti
03.05.2011 18:06
I tell you he's alive and well in Buenos Aires and is in constant touch by telephone with the ReichsKanzellor - oops, I mean Frau Merkel.
Sieg Heil. Or not.
And Osama bin's consigned to history.
watta larf
Clarity for the living.
03.05.2011 19:41
No, let me be absolutely clear. I say what I mean and what I believe and know to be true.
Lets just say that I have had the very great honor and privilege to be fortunate enough to have walked in every hall of society from the very bottom to the very (almost) top. I also have the very great honor to be able to pass onto activists in the UK what I know.
Which I do freely, because as you can so clearly see, those at the top aren't up to much!
Knot-Eyed Jaguar
Still waiting.
03.05.2011 19:54
That's because there was nobody available in Berlin at the time to take the picture...which is understandable really given what was happening.
But that clearly isn't the case here is it?
The US will release this proof. They will do it immediately and without further debate.
Knot-Eyed Jaguar
how on earth
03.05.2011 23:29
howard earth
Still waiting.
04.05.2011 00:43
Ok, you do that and while your scaring everybody and getting dumped by your girlfriend, we'll stay here and wait for conspiracy theorist's in the Whitehouse to release the evidence!
Obama the clown.
Guess who?
04.05.2011 08:57
Which I do freely, because as you can so clearly see, those at the top aren't up to much! "
Gonna play a bit of 'Guess Who?' here, if this is not a joke on your behalf, I am gonna go with David 'Shyster' Shayler.
Spotter
Spotted.
04.05.2011 09:37
You have never heard of me. The only people you have heard of are the thrill-seekers and vanity addicts.
Knot-Eyed Jaguar.
If only ...
04.05.2011 12:11
The immediate, inevitable and inexorable slide towards the puerile, the insulting and the loud proud and competitive search for the bottom of the barrel here is as depressing as anything else we are witnessing as the attempt to wrap up the last strings of global dominance by our NWO types plays out right in front of our noses.
I have no words contemptible enough to satisfy, when given to describe the confessed belief of some here that:
Bin Laden was responsible for the enormously beneficial spectacle of 911 (beneficial to the Guns Oil Drugs crowd)
America et al fought a just war against a dangerous enemy (several MILLION - YES MILLION! - innocent souls killed with direct weapons and slow indirect ones also like DU and economic strangulation)
The Military Industrial Complex is safeguarding our rights and freedoms by attacking fanatical Muslims whilst taking its cue from fanatical Jews (OH NO, he has lost the plot, he is mentioning 'jews' in the same way we are daily bombarded with images and ideas about 'Muslims' ... aaarrrggghhh must be a nazi/anti-semite/anti-zionist)
The death of this one man has any significance for the ongoing struggle for freedom from 'amurikan democracy
Get ready folks for 911 mark 2. ... this time its personal/revenge/son of Bin Laden/Gadaffi etc
Get yerself some sun cream cause going nuke on it is the only way to get back on track for the war on terra
Irritant
It's being thing being a racist
04.05.2011 13:03
watta larf
Congrats to the above poster
04.05.2011 13:26
Are you claiming there are NO fanatical jews then?
Irritant
Rascist and illogical too.
04.05.2011 14:21
To suggest that 'The Military Industrial Complex is safeguarding our rights and freedoms by attacking fanatical Muslims whilst taking its cue from fanatical Jews ..' is straight out of the mouth of Goebbels. It is language used by Nazis. Use the language of the Nazis if you like, but don't be surprised if people them take you for one.
watta larf
Not so fast Jimbob!
04.05.2011 15:15
It doesn't matter does it. Neither fanatical jews nor fanatical muslims are coherent enough to be of use. Whether they are muslim or jews doesn't matter, they are fanatics and therefore of no use to us.
Stick to the matter at hand. (If you need to ask what that is then I suggest you leave now!)
Kill Bill
No surprise
04.05.2011 15:34
Blah blah nazi ... blah blah goebbles ... blah blah blah
Meanwhile back in the land of the brain alive, we have observed the following:
Fanatical zionist jews at the helm of the whitehouse, the federal reserve, the senate armed forces committee, the department of homeland security, the pentagon, the brookings institute, cnn, abc, nbc, the washington post and every other media, government, financial, political organization and think tank. I am sure you would not wish us to embarrass you with the actual [long] list of names, quotes and the papers that they have lent their names to (project for a new american century anyone?).
As I recall, the very first person to name OBL as the 'perp' of 911 was Bibi - who, coincidently, happened to be in new york, in a tv station and with the inside knowledge of the event within 1 hour. Perhaps his good friend and beneficiary of several $$$billion of pure profit (sorry compensation), one Lucky Larry 'Israel' Silverstein was on the phone to him early that day.
With not a hint of irony, those who would perpetuate the continual wholesale slaughter of brown skinned Muslims in their own lands (but rather cheekily building their civilizations over 'OUR' resources) on the basis of falsehood and ritual prejudice, have the nerve to introduce the notion of 'racism' into the thread (is it too much to expect an explanation as to how a genetically diverse group such as the jews can be considered to be the victim of racism?).
It only goes to show that their is always someone willing to dive deeper with scraping tool in hand to that barrel bottom and that intelligent honest debate is something as rare as good journalism.
Irritant
Nice to see our friend in his true colours ...
04.05.2011 15:43
watta larf
A question?
04.05.2011 16:24
anonymous
Sfunny
04.05.2011 16:27
Really though, whose argument do they impact?
Not mine, as those reading this who are able to reason will dismiss such pathetic remarks as crass.
Those unable to reason will not be moved by argument, preferring the sentiments of those around them to mimic wholesale.
It is easy and desirable to steer their thoughts to this place as it has the effect of undermining their opposition and creating the impression that they are totally thick innit?
I personally don't adhere to any political party or creed - such as the bnp, the socialist workers etc - as they all seek to replace independent publicly accessible truth with private party regulated prejudice.
Anyway, back to the issues.
Zionist dominated government seek to further their war on terra aims by stirring up Muslim sentiment via their zionist dominated media. They claim that a bad man was killed and that they killed him (forgetting to tell us that for many years he was their go to guy in the Muslim world). They would like us to think that they can do the same to any of us, any time any place. So be good, agree with them, work hard for them and DO NOT question or complain.
Irritant
Compare and contrast
04.05.2011 16:33
Goebbels 1933
And in 2011:
'Zionist dominated government seek to further their war on terra aims by stirring up Muslim sentiment via their zionist dominated media. They claim that a bad man was killed and that they killed him (forgetting to tell us that for many years he was their go to guy in the Muslim world). They would like us to think that they can do the same to any of us, any time any place. So be good, agree with them, work hard for them and DO NOT question or complain.'
watta larf
The real thing.
04.05.2011 16:41
Yes, its Charlie Veitch. I know that language a mile off.
This is the guy who spent his time walking around London attaching himself to activist groups with a megaphone.
I remember him walking around Strand or somewhere like that broadcasting the official view of the group as anarchist's from the police/state point of view but trying to be "ironic" about it. The problem was, it was so so easy for people to "not see" the irony and instead see a man openly walking along with a megaphone behind anarchist's broadcasting the "public" view of anarchist's as chaotic trouble-makers and openly belittling and ridiculing them right under their noses.
I was with this group for most of the day and was stunned to the core that the group couldn't see what was so clearly an undercover nark attached to them.
It is easily possible to be "too clever" when it comes to activism Charlie!
Perfect Harmony.
OMG, I can't believe you just said that, you know, innit
04.05.2011 17:19
Is your position that there are no fanatical jews in the governments of the western imperial powers?
Or is it that they exist, but are not important?
Or is it that we are not allowed to freely discuss the make up of our governments, their beliefs, their intentions and the actions of those that self identify as ardent zionists without some bright spark bolshi like yerself marking us out for targeted assassination?
You would prefer us to dwell on the events of 80 years ago would you?
Still trying to silence my critic of zionism with the notion of heresy are you?
How tired of you.
Besides, if goebbels had pointed out to you the names of the animals of the Berlin zoo - would that be untrue? That goebbels had his opinion on dealing with the jewish issue and that it was unpleasant is hardly news, nor does it have any relevance on dealing with the issue of zionist occupied governments today. Context is all (and all too subtle for you no doubt!)
You make the fundamental logical error (perhaps deliberately so) of confusing apples with oranges - yes they are both fruit etc.
If the debate about zionism, al-cia-duh and the war on terra is too boring for you, why not pop over to stormfront. I gather they talk about dead nazis all the time, its probably closer to your thing than you are comfortable with :)
... and no, I am not Mr Veitch ... heard the name, not sure why I should have though.
Irritant
Fed up.
04.05.2011 17:31
Why must any criticism of zionism and or judaism be countered with events of our forefathers?
Does this not give the impression that zionism is given a free ride because of the actions of previous generations?
Wolfgang Durer
Nazis resurgant
04.05.2011 17:47
'Is your position that there are no fanatical jews in the governments of the western imperial powers?'
Of course not. As I have said, there will be fanatical Frenchmen, fanatical Christians, fanatical Buddhists, fanatical Germans, and so on.
The difference between you and the rest of the world is that no one believes that fanatical Buddhists or fanatical Christians control the western world, whereas you obviously believe that fanatical Jews do. It's Nazi thinking, and although Goebel's speech was made nearly eighty years ago, it obviously still has resonances with latter day Nazis - among whom you seem to keep company.
Touch pitch, and you are defiled. You are a very dirty man, protest how you will.
watta larf
seriously dude
04.05.2011 17:56
They don't own the media, don't buy every political party, haven't displaced a whole people in a genocidal mass movement, don't control the federal reserve, don't have nukes aimed at the capital cities of the west and don't have a fanatical creed that preaches moral and temporal superiority over non buddhists.
Get real and stop insulting the memory of the dead by calling everyone you disagree with nazies.
anon
still at it trot boy?
04.05.2011 18:17
You still have given no evidence whatsoever to discredit the theory that the jews in power in the western imperial governments act as a cohesive group with agendas and desires that do not include our welfare or concerns.
What does a person have to do or say to qualify (in your eyes) for the rare position of being able to criticise collective jewish power without being accused of the greatest modern heresy?
Is it possible at all?
Even good zionist jews like Goldstone get hammered, persecuted and humiliated if they stray - so should a person even bother trying to outwit[sic] the nazi-finder-general that you seem to represent?
Gosh, what a bore - a great big asinine redundant bore you are.
And a racist to boot - how else to describe a person who twists a thread about the continual murder of muslims by fantical western powers (be they zionist, jewish or christain) to force us to confront the suffering of jews being exposed for their own nasty beliefs!
Irritant
Wow! And still they come
04.05.2011 18:21
if you mock Stephen Lendsman [who he?], your comments are hidden as contrary to the Editorial Guidelines.
If you spout racist crap of which even Nick Giffin would be embarrassed by, no one gives a toss.
I sometimes see hidden posts talking about Nazymedia. I can now see why.
Okay, mods up to you. Happy with racist filth? Then leave these posts up.
watta larf
isn't that typical
04.05.2011 18:24
Isn't that what the israeli government does everytime they are criticised, reminds the world about the horror of the holocaust?
Are we even allowed to understand or deconstruct post-holocaust judaism as non jews?
anon
Indymedia as publisher.
04.05.2011 19:10
'(1)A person subjects another to harassment in any circumstances relevant for the purposes of any provision referred to in section 1(1B) where, on grounds of race or ethnic or national origins, he engages in unwanted conduct which has the purpose or effect of—(a)violating that other person’s dignity, or(b)creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for him.'
Indymedia claims to be a publisher, and its servers are housed in the UK. By allowing such comments to be publicly available on its website, it could be argued that Indymedia is publishing such material. Even hiding these posts may not be sufficent, as they can still be accessed.
I thrust Indymedia thinks very carefully about allowing such posts, open or hidden, lest it might have its collar felt by the Old Bill.
watta larf
Say something, Watta Larf
04.05.2011 20:01
Shut up, please, or rent my ears.
Nameless
that was fast
05.05.2011 13:31
Well, it sure didn't take long for the "new" Indymedia UK to drop straight into raw antisemitism, did it.
And the sad thing is, it's not even a surprise, is it?
no surprise there
No.
05.05.2011 15:17
Is that the be all and end all of discussion here? Whether a few political zionists and extremist religionists are offended?
Sure don't seem to matter when christianity is getting bashed, no one notices or comments on the continuous stream of bile and abuse directed at muslims (let alone the many many many deaths of muslims in 'our' wars to make the world a safer place for zionism).
What utter hypocrites.
What total false representation some people manifest here, pretending that they are interested in the lot of humanity as a whole, but only raising hackles and voices when judaism is targeted for the natural and justified attention it should recieve more.
Stuff your anti-semitism where the sun don't shine - we don't need or want to tread on eggshells when it comes to truth and justice.
Shove your false activism back into the Tel Aviv ghetto whence it came.
anonny
Indymedia UK's famous Jew problem is back
05.05.2011 18:49
Ah. Don't like antisemitism, and dare to say so on Indymedia UK? Then you get called an zionist agent of Tel-Aviv. Because why else would anyone possibly be bothered by antisemitism?
Except maybe that Indymedia UK is supposed to be an anti-racist site, and has a terrible record of shouting down the antisemitism issue with false cries of "zionist"?
That's so fucked up it's hard to know where to start.
that's fucked up mate
fake activism.
05.05.2011 22:23
Well that's because you are a Nazi.
You see the problem isn't with Jews, the problem is with Zionist's who are political extremist's who are Jewish. They are not a problem because they are Jewish. They are a problem because they are fanatics and extremist's.
So coherent debate on the problem of Zionism does not entail debate about Jewishness, or being Jewish, it is a debate aboout extremism, fanaticism and the role and influence that Zionist's play as a result of hijacking positions of influence by using and abusing their ethnic identity.
The comments in this article don't read like a coherent analysis of fanaticism, extremism or nationalism. They read like a complaint about Jews.
This is an ethnic complaint and therefore is correctly identified as common racism.
Ergo, the comments following this article are a running commentary based on racism and the person, or persons engaged with it are racist's.
That they should be appearing on Indymedia is not relevant per-se, Indymedia is a resource that allows for anonymous commenting on articles so racist's are able to disseminate their views here without fear of being held to account, which is to be expected as racist's tend to be cowards. The vast majority of Indymedia's output is untouched by this rubbish.
What is relevant is that those disseminating these views claim to be activist's concerned with principles of social justice.
This is a complete fraud.
But of course this article is not about Zionism or Jewishness, it is about Pakistan and the Whitehouse and Osama Bin Laden.
The fact that these posters seem to have failed to remember this illustrates just how little concern they actually have for anything outside their own 'little world'.
Carlos
Well, that's your opinion
06.05.2011 11:06
Well that's because you are a Nazi.
####
Yeah yeah, be provocative if that's your bag - you are far from the truth and do no one any favours with your sub-student easy pre formed position, the harder, more useful thing would be to actually analyse the reality.
"You see the problem isn't with Jews, the problem is with Zionist's who are political extremist's who are Jewish. They are not a problem because they are Jewish. They are a problem because they are fanatics and extremist's."
No. The problem lies squarely with the jewish extremism that produces, informs and directs zionism and all its associated projects.
Do we really need to display here the words of judaisms highest authorities - they ain't pretty but they are pretty mainstream in the jewish world..
Whatever happened to the notion of no gods, no masters? It seems that when it comes to judaism, the inherent predjudice and - what can be refered to as the three 'E's - Elitism, Entitlement and Exclusion are given a free ride. Indeed, far from being cowards - here or else where - those that campaign against this jewish extremism are vulnerable to the kind of measures that would not be out of place under the nazi authorities ... namely verbal and physical intimidation, arbitrary imprisonment and petty acts of revenge by the state and its agents.
Old men who have done no more than question the RACIST extremism of the judaic mindset and its followers have been attacked in the most cowardly way (how else would you describe the act of throwing acid into faces and the showing of photographs of their children with sexual and physical threats included?). It is certainly not wise to be frank and open about mere words and beliefs when faced with groups of young violent men willing to commit any act against you and yours.
Yet again, there are those loud and persistent attempts to remove the issue of israel and religious[jewish] extremism from the discussion of the 'war on terra'. Have any non muslim areas, countries or organizations been targeted by the western imperial forces?
You say that the issue here is solely about Pakistan and the whitehouse! Pah! What a pathetic attempt that is to cut off our thinking at the head. Do we have to list the growing number of self identified zionists in the governments of the western imperial powers that have powered the onslaught that has killed millions MILLIONS!!! of brown skinned people and muslims?
How can you look yourself in the mirror and talk about racism and yet ignore the reality of who is victim and who is perpetrator? You should be ashamed, but you are not.
I'm not at all sure that many of the posters here are concerned with social justice, preferring instead to merely appear to be in step with the majority - but that is as expected in any arena, there are those that act and those that follow blindly.
What you trots and student politicos forget in all of this that one of the main victims of this jewish extremism are the men women and children who make up the jewish populations of the world - jewish for no other reason than their parents told them that's what they are. Being stuck in a mindset that is hundreds - if not thousands - of years past its sell by date is a terrible thing for them.
If you had any interest in truth and justice, you would abandon the false equidistant that characterise the lefts response to religious extremism and tell 'it' as it really is. But as has already been pointed out, you have no shame, have substituted blind faith for reason and consigned yet MILLIONS more brown skinned peoples to violent deaths for no other reason than you are a moral coward.
Grow up and stop making this about my personality or your personality. It does not matter if I am a grotesque idiot or a gifted intellect. What matters is that we identify those beliefs and the people that act out of them that produce the gross inequality and injustice in the world. You are too scared to step out of your comfort zone and analyse the possibility that everything you ever believed in or thought you 'knew' could be wrong and therefore become victim yourself to the tangled web spun to catch you before you think the 'wrong' things.
It should be apparent to those with clear heads, the kind of pressure and implied threats that go hand in hand with your pronouncements and positioning - step out of line and you are 'bad', 'evil', a 'nazi' and prone to the violent denouncement of the Stalinistic mindset.
Irritant
disappointed in IMC-UK
06.05.2011 14:14
disappointed in IMC-UK
Oh boo hoo
06.05.2011 14:26
Argue your case or just go away, stop acting like a spoilt brat and expecting your point of view to carry the day just because you believe it is morally superior and stop generally thinking that your stalinistic take on right and wrong has any relevance past the contrived self serving censorship that it is.
If you can't 'defeat' this irritant perhaps it is your fault for following such weak ideas in the first place.
watta notta laughs
getting in on the act
06.05.2011 17:32
Mofaz made his outrageous suggestion on Radio Israel: "If terrorist activity [sic] continues to originate in the Gaza Strip, the leaders of Hamas should be made aware that they are potential targets for assassination and that such targeted killings are considered unquestionably legitimate."
The opposition Kadima Party MK claimed that, in killing Bin Laden, the United States has adopted the Israeli strategy of targeting "terrorist" leaders. This has, he claimed, been a proven success over a number of years."
anon
their call
06.05.2011 18:36
disappointed in IMC-UK
No
06.05.2011 18:42
One can speculate as to why - in this case it is most likely to ensure the limits of the discussion do not stray from the safety zone of 'soft' anti-zionism, rather than face down the beast at its roots within rabbinical judaism.
Thats your choice and you will stop at nothing in attempting to impose it on the rest of us - even taking down this site if you have to.
Profoundly anti democratic and counter to the desire for truth and justice - bordering on fascism.
Irritant
A reply.
06.05.2011 19:15
I have analysed the reality at close quarters in close up in Israel, Gaza and the West bank. This experience tells me what I know. I am an activist that doesn't speak unless I know for sure that my complaint is based on fact. I am not somebody that campaigns or holds a view simply because that is the view of my group. Fact or reality, never received wisdom. Not on a subject as important as this. I am truly sorry that you have such a low opinion of students!
"No. The problem lies squarely with the jewish extremism that produces, informs and directs zionism and all its associated projects."
Go to Israel and see Zionism for yourself, DO NOT simply resign to the lazy-man approach of accepting the problem on grounds of ethnic dispensation. If you believe that, can you please now make a statement about the volunteers of Israel Indymedia. Openly stand on this view that its all the fault of Jews against members of the Indymedia Israel Kollective. Lets see the colour of your money?
"Do we really need to display here the words of judaisms highest authorities - they ain't pretty but they are pretty mainstream in the jewish world."
What highest authority is that then, self declared religious fanatics that have 'chosen themselves' to speak for the Jewish people! Let me ask you a question. Does your nationality as being British mean that you are automatically a capitalist, a christian, a Conservative, a Liberal Democrat, a White Nationalist, a White supremacist, a Labour worker, a Stalinist, a Socialist? Does your ethnic background automatically qualify you as a degenerate member of the British war-mongering class? Because I can take you to any place in the world and declare you as an enemy of the people simply by betraying your nationality to the locals. Will your status as an anarchist mean anything to the locals if they hate you because you are British?
I have met Jews who despise Zionism. I have met Jews who work against it on a daily basis and I have met Jews who are valuable allies to the Palestinian people in their fight against ethnic eradication by the fanatics who call themselves Zionist's. Your argument that they are not to be trusted because they are Jewish...is of very great use to those Zionist's. Of very great use indeed!
"Yet again, there are those loud and persistent attempts to remove the issue of israel and religious[jewish] extremism from the discussion of the 'war on terra'. Have any non muslim areas, countries or organizations been targeted by the western imperial forces?"
This is an obvious statement of fact that everybody understands. Of what use is it to perpetually repeat that which is routinely accepted to be true? One aspect of the so-called War on Terror (you must always write "so-called" before repeating this phrase, anything else is careless and sloppy), is that those who are prosecuting it need public support else the whole episode is a non-goer. From a government point of view, gaining that support has always been a problem. So what you are complaining about, is that the US and UK government have found support in amongst the Jewish community more than any other. What is it that has brought the situation about?
Step forward anti-semitism.
You see, there is nothing like anti-semitism to inflame a Jew. There is nothing like anti-semitism to force a Jew into rallying against that which is deemed to be anti-semitic. It is an historical hair-trigger that is of agonising significance for all Jews the world over (and rightly so, the holocaust was a tragedy). So in order for government to consolidate support for the so-called War on Terror at a time when it has little or no domestic support, it must use the politik of anti-semitism to "drive" Jews toward a massed "defence of Israel" against the "evil muslim barbarian".
Populating Indymedia with anti-Jewish comments or complaints of anti-semitism, drives Jews and ordinary people away from the content of Indymedia and into the arms of a government that is waiting to claim that it has complete control over the public consensus. The very war that you are apparently so "appalled" by, is the very same war you are helping to consolidate and helping to perpetuate.
The Zionist could not be any more pleased with your sterling work for their cause.
"How can you look yourself in the mirror and talk about racism and yet ignore the reality of who is victim and who is perpetrator? You should be ashamed, but you are not."
The older you get, the more inclined you are to think that those who complain the most about the behaviour of others, are simply telling you what qualities they possess that they are most aggrieved about when witnessed in others, hence the constant bitterness and complaining!
"If you had any interest in truth and justice, you would abandon the false equidistant that characterise the lefts response to religious extremism and tell 'it' as it really is. But as has already been pointed out, you have no shame, have substituted blind faith for reason and consigned yet MILLIONS more brown skinned peoples to violent deaths for no other reason than you are a moral coward."
My view is that the only tactic that works, is the tactic that works. I am a pragmatist first and foremost. My interest is social justice and that is why, regrettably, I am forced to abandon anything that can be presented as being "of the left". In exactly the same way, I am forced to abandon anything "of the right". Dismissing both these political "camps" makes me a reliable campaigner for social justice. Indymedia is about autonomy. Left and right are of no relevance. I am a moral man.
"It should be apparent to those with clear heads, the kind of pressure and implied threats that go hand in hand with your pronouncements and positioning - step out of line and you are 'bad', 'evil', a 'nazi' and prone to the violent denouncement of the Stalinistic mindset."
I think your upset about the criticism I have made of your arguments and your politics. But you have to understand that Indymedia is itching to complete its work. This is not unreasonable. Every generation has its guardians of conscience, every generation has its moment when the old guard is dismissed and the new guard steps forward to replace it. That moment has come and must be permitted to appear. Your comments are counterproductive and damaging to the collective conscience of Indymedia and what it represents.
As many others have said in this and a great many other conversations over the years, they want to appear to the world as a force for good having opposed that which they cannot tolerate. We all want to deal the current elite the blow it deserves and we all want to move toward a world that we will be living in and we will be responsible for. That world will include the Jews and that world will include the muslims.
Indymedia must have the future it has worked for and deserves.
You must not interfere with this.
Carlos
Fake activism indeed!
06.05.2011 19:26
I am a genuine contributor to Indymedia and have been since 2008. I am committed to Indymedia and would never ever seek to undermine its reputation or undermine its authority as a vessel of free speech.
That you should offer this comment is just about as dubious as its possible to get.
Disgraceful.
TB
on the other hand
06.05.2011 20:33
the other hand
Two hands are up.
06.05.2011 20:53
Coming from an unusual direction of being an MSM worker who joined the alternative media, I can see that disruption of Indymedia is obviously a problem.
But the "Jew problem" you so eloquently allude to has nothing to do with Indymedia.
I think it is probably the case that those people who are are claiming Indymedia has a problem with publishing anti-semitic content, are almost certainly the people responsible for the posting of that content.
Its called a stitch up.
The Mayday group have my confidence.
TB
bethemedia is the fucking labour party pretending to be anarchists
06.05.2011 21:10
it looks like a copy of indymedia but run by the labour party. all the jobs on it look like labour party worker stunts. there's fuck all about the politics of autonomy and there is fuck all criticism of of the uk state. its all red-flag bollocks and anti-tory/lib dem bollocks.
silly cunts at the labour party are responsible for this dogs dinner of a manipulative mess.
give me indymedia any day.
arthur
smug certainty wins in the end
06.05.2011 21:48
If saying so, with no evidence whatsoever, makes you feel better, then who am I to complain?
Just one problem, though. What exactly is keeping Mayday from removing the antisemitic posts?
Oh, yeah, that's right. They just don't.
appalled
Smug is as smug does.
07.05.2011 06:17
The evidence is writ large across the pages of Indymedia for all the world to see. It is recorded, in place and cannot be removed. How I feel about this is not relevant.
"Just one problem, though. What exactly is keeping Mayday from removing the antisemitic posts?"
Why would Indymedia want to remove them? Its evidence of tactical anti-semitism. We users and contributors are not fools. In the pursuit of the truth, our standards are demonstrably far higher than that of our opponents.
You might think me smug. But, then again you would wouldn't you!
apalled for the sake of being apalled
Good God
07.05.2011 12:12
It's one of those terms that has very little meaning beyond the intent to deceive. It does not describe either race nor religion, in fact it attempts to co-opt something that it is not as the majority of semitic people are in fact the Arab people themselves.
The constant whine here and elsewhere when the magnifying glass is applied - quite rightly - to issues surrounding the religion of Judaism is sickening. It is as those military rabbis don't exist, it is as those bombs dropping everyday on the people of Gaza are not decorated with Jewish symbols, the planes dropping them do not represent 'the Jewish state', that the state employed and supported religious schools do not issue statement after statement claiming the spiritual, political, moral and actual biological superiority over non Jews, that roads, schools, hospitals drinking water, farmland and every other facet of state support are not held exclusively for Jewish people with the total support of the overwhelming majority of those colonizing Palestine.
20, 30, 40, 50+ Palestinians beaten, robbed, killed month in month out by agents of the Jewish state and private religious fundamentalists with the smirking backing of the military and police decked out with Jewish religious symbols.
Those here that use the anti-semitic 'trick' (a term used openly by Jewish people) do not want the focus of your attention on their racist beliefs.
Whatever happened to despising religious nonsense among the unaffiliated activists?
Lets have more of you expressing your take on it here please, cause at the moment those highly organized and deceitful zionists - who think nothing of pretending to be something other than the extremists they are - post here regularly, repeatedly and with malice aforethought ... they are colonizing your free political spaces and directing their false indignation against our desires for truth and justice whilst all the time pushing an agenda that ensures that their religious mania remains the focus of attention rather than the consequences of it (death, destruction and despair for the rightful inheritors of the land of Palestine).
Jewish people may be many things - not all bad - but one thing they are not is a homogeneous genetic block.
Race has nothing to do with it and if you insist it does then we will point out the obvious - that Palestinian people, a genuine Semtic people - have an unbroken connection with the land they are being robbed of by colonizers and are the victims here.
Disingenuous pompous windbags and professional whiners will constantly attempt to drag you into their position, bullying, threatening, conniving and working together as a cohesive group for their own selfish ends ... they do not believe in unity nor humanity nor social justice ... they only believe in what is good for them ONLY.
Indymedia does not belong to them ,owes them nothing and has not been set up and painstakingly run and supported for them exclusively - nor even inclusively. It is here to address issues of social justice for human beings - not issues of Jews and Goys.
Fight for it or lose out to yet another zionist dominated media project.
Lead Paul
amazing
07.05.2011 14:16
state of the conspiracy theory. The antisemitic
posts, we're being told, are actually being posted
by Jews, and Indymedia is leaving the posts up as
proof that Jews are posting antisemitic posts.
When do we get to the part about lizard people?
amazed
flushed out into the open.
07.05.2011 15:30
You are looking like a sad sack of sorryness now! Beyond pathetic!
anon
Ahem!
07.05.2011 17:33
Just try reading this as a cohesive meaningful piece.
It is a strangulated testament to moral cowardliness and caving in to repeated pressures from those not interested in truth or justice.
You place yourself in the position of all tyrants - uncomfortable, lonely and unappreciated by either 'side'.
You have done nothing to safe guard the future of this media project, merely given the impetus to those that will feel that all they have to do is whine for long enough.
Why is it that you pretend to be concerned with progressive issues and yet act like a medieval lynch mob?
You won't answer, are answerable to no one.
We will destroy this project inside out. It is less than useless, it is an offence to the dignity of truth ... We hope you are proud of your piss poor censorship and will live looking over your shoulder for the weight of reply coming to you.
You fucking twat.
Joseph Stalin
uh, no, not really
08.05.2011 15:00
funny comment, look in the hiddens and see who got spanked and whined about it. Hint: anon.
perspex
To important to hide
09.05.2011 12:33
It's one of those terms that has very little meaning beyond the intent to deceive. It does not describe either race nor religion, in fact it attempts to co-opt something that it is not as the majority of semitic people are in fact the Arab people themselves.
The constant whine here and elsewhere when the magnifying glass is applied - quite rightly - to issues surrounding the religion of Judaism is sickening. It is as those military rabbis don't exist, it is as those bombs dropping everyday on the people of Gaza are not decorated with Jewish symbols, the planes dropping them do not represent 'the Jewish state', that the state employed and supported religious schools do not issue statement after statement claiming the spiritual, political, moral and actual biological superiority over non Jews, that roads, schools, hospitals drinking water, farmland and every other facet of state support are not held exclusively for Jewish people with the total support of the overwhelming majority of those colonizing Palestine.
20, 30, 40, 50+ Palestinians beaten, robbed, killed month in month out by agents of the Jewish state and private religious fundamentalists with the smirking backing of the military and police decked out with Jewish religious symbols.
Those here that use the anti-semitic 'trick' (a term used openly by Jewish people) do not want the focus of your attention on their racist beliefs.
Whatever happened to despising religious nonsense among the unaffiliated activists?
Lets have more of you expressing your take on it here please, cause at the moment those highly organized and deceitful zionists - who think nothing of pretending to be something other than the extremists they are - post here regularly, repeatedly and with malice aforethought ... they are colonizing your free political spaces and directing their false indignation against our desires for truth and justice whilst all the time pushing an agenda that ensures that their religious mania remains the focus of attention rather than the consequences of it (death, destruction and despair for the rightful inheritors of the land of Palestine).
Jewish people may be many things - not all bad - but one thing they are not is a homogeneous genetic block.
Race has nothing to do with it and if you insist it does then we will point out the obvious - that Palestinian people, a genuine Semtic people - have an unbroken connection with the land they are being robbed of by colonizers and are the victims here.
Disingenuous pompous windbags and professional whiners will constantly attempt to drag you into their position, bullying, threatening, conniving and working together as a cohesive group for their own selfish ends ... they do not believe in unity nor humanity nor social justice ... they only believe in what is good for them ONLY.
Indymedia does not belong to them ,owes them nothing and has not been set up and painstakingly run and supported for them exclusively - nor even inclusively. It is here to address issues of social justice for human beings - not issues of Jews and Goys.
Fight for it or lose out to yet another zionist dominated media project.
everyday forever
anyway
26.05.2011 08:13
It's one of those terms that has very little meaning beyond the intent to deceive. It does not describe either race nor religion, in fact it attempts to co-opt something that it is not as the majority of semitic people are in fact the Arab people themselves.
The constant whine here and elsewhere when the magnifying glass is applied - quite rightly - to issues surrounding the religion of Judaism is sickening. It is as those military rabbis don't exist, it is as those bombs dropping everyday on the people of Gaza are not decorated with Jewish symbols, the planes dropping them do not represent 'the Jewish state', that the state employed and supported religious schools do not issue statement after statement claiming the spiritual, political, moral and actual biological superiority over non Jews, that roads, schools, hospitals drinking water, farmland and every other facet of state support are not held exclusively for Jewish people with the total support of the overwhelming majority of those colonizing Palestine.
20, 30, 40, 50+ Palestinians beaten, robbed, killed month in month out by agents of the Jewish state and private religious fundamentalists with the smirking backing of the military and police decked out with Jewish religious symbols.
Those here that use the anti-semitic 'trick' (a term used openly by Jewish people) do not want the focus of your attention on their racist beliefs.
Whatever happened to despising religious nonsense among the unaffiliated activists?
Lets have more of you expressing your take on it here please, cause at the moment those highly organized and deceitful zionists - who think nothing of pretending to be something other than the extremists they are - post here regularly, repeatedly and with malice aforethought ... they are colonizing your free political spaces and directing their false indignation against our desires for truth and justice whilst all the time pushing an agenda that ensures that their religious mania remains the focus of attention rather than the consequences of it (death, destruction and despair for the rightful inheritors of the land of Palestine).
Jewish people may be many things - not all bad - but one thing they are not is a homogeneous genetic block.
Race has nothing to do with it and if you insist it does then we will point out the obvious - that Palestinian people, a genuine Semtic people - have an unbroken connection with the land they are being robbed of by colonizers and are the victims here.
Disingenuous pompous windbags and professional whiners will constantly attempt to drag you into their position, bullying, threatening, conniving and working together as a cohesive group for their own selfish ends ... they do not believe in unity nor humanity nor social justice ... they only believe in what is good for them ONLY.
Indymedia does not belong to them ,owes them nothing and has not been set up and painstakingly run and supported for them exclusively - nor even inclusively. It is here to address issues of social justice for human beings - not issues of Jews and Goys.
Fight for it or lose out to yet another zionist dominated media project.
Doit
repeat a.n.
04.07.2011 11:46
It's one of those terms that has very little meaning beyond the intent to deceive. It does not describe either race nor religion, in fact it attempts to co-opt something that it is not as the majority of semitic people are in fact the Arab people themselves.
The constant whine here and elsewhere when the magnifying glass is applied - quite rightly - to issues surrounding the religion of Judaism is sickening. It is as those military rabbis don't exist, it is as those bombs dropping everyday on the people of Gaza are not decorated with Jewish symbols, the planes dropping them do not represent 'the Jewish state', that the state employed and supported religious schools do not issue statement after statement claiming the spiritual, political, moral and actual biological superiority over non Jews, that roads, schools, hospitals drinking water, farmland and every other facet of state support are not held exclusively for Jewish people with the total support of the overwhelming majority of those colonizing Palestine.
20, 30, 40, 50+ Palestinians beaten, robbed, killed month in month out by agents of the Jewish state and private religious fundamentalists with the smirking backing of the military and police decked out with Jewish religious symbols.
Those here that use the anti-semitic 'trick' (a term used openly by Jewish people) do not want the focus of your attention on their racist beliefs.
Whatever happened to despising religious nonsense among the unaffiliated activists?
Lets have more of you expressing your take on it here please, cause at the moment those highly organized and deceitful zionists - who think nothing of pretending to be something other than the extremists they are - post here regularly, repeatedly and with malice aforethought ... they are colonizing your free political spaces and directing their false indignation against our desires for truth and justice whilst all the time pushing an agenda that ensures that their religious mania remains the focus of attention rather than the consequences of it (death, destruction and despair for the rightful inheritors of the land of Palestine).
Jewish people may be many things - not all bad - but one thing they are not is a homogeneous genetic block.
Race has nothing to do with it and if you insist it does then we will point out the obvious - that Palestinian people, a genuine Semtic people - have an unbroken connection with the land they are being robbed of by colonizers and are the victims here.
Disingenuous pompous windbags and professional whiners will constantly attempt to drag you into their position, bullying, threatening, conniving and working together as a cohesive group for their own selfish ends ... they do not believe in unity nor humanity nor social justice ... they only believe in what is good for them ONLY.
Indymedia does not belong to them ,owes them nothing and has not been set up and painstakingly run and supported for them exclusively - nor even inclusively. It is here to address issues of social justice for human beings - not issues of Jews and Goys.
Fight for it or lose out to yet another zionist dominated media project.
endless night
Hide behind your sofa
06.09.2011 11:12
It's one of those terms that has very little meaning beyond the intent to deceive. It does not describe either race nor religion, in fact it attempts to co-opt something that it is not as the majority of semitic people are in fact the Arab people themselves.
The constant whine here and elsewhere when the magnifying glass is applied - quite rightly - to issues surrounding the religion of Judaism is sickening. It is as those military rabbis don't exist, it is as those bombs dropping everyday on the people of Gaza are not decorated with Jewish symbols, the planes dropping them do not represent 'the Jewish state', that the state employed and supported religious schools do not issue statement after statement claiming the spiritual, political, moral and actual biological superiority over non Jews, that roads, schools, hospitals drinking water, farmland and every other facet of state support are not held exclusively for Jewish people with the total support of the overwhelming majority of those colonizing Palestine.
20, 30, 40, 50+ Palestinians beaten, robbed, killed month in month out by agents of the Jewish state and private religious fundamentalists with the smirking backing of the military and police decked out with Jewish religious symbols.
Those here that use the anti-semitic 'trick' (a term used openly by Jewish people) do not want the focus of your attention on their racist beliefs.
Whatever happened to despising religious nonsense among the unaffiliated activists?
Lets have more of you expressing your take on it here please, cause at the moment those highly organized and deceitful zionists - who think nothing of pretending to be something other than the extremists they are - post here regularly, repeatedly and with malice aforethought ... they are colonizing your free political spaces and directing their false indignation against our desires for truth and justice whilst all the time pushing an agenda that ensures that their religious mania remains the focus of attention rather than the consequences of it (death, destruction and despair for the rightful inheritors of the land of Palestine).
Jewish people may be many things - not all bad - but one thing they are not is a homogeneous genetic block.
Race has nothing to do with it and if you insist it does then we will point out the obvious - that Palestinian people, a genuine Semtic people - have an unbroken connection with the land they are being robbed of by colonizers and are the victims here.
Disingenuous pompous windbags and professional whiners will constantly attempt to drag you into their position, bullying, threatening, conniving and working together as a cohesive group for their own selfish ends ... they do not believe in unity nor humanity nor social justice ... they only believe in what is good for them ONLY.
Indymedia does not belong to them ,owes them nothing and has not been set up and painstakingly run and supported for them exclusively - nor even inclusively. It is here to address issues of social justice for human beings - not issues of Jews and Goys.
Fight for it or lose out to yet another zionist dominated media project.
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