New Islamophobic Kids On The Block
Islamophobia is racism | 04.10.2010 01:38 | Anti-racism
As innocent as the title of this group may sound, NiceOnesUK is the latest re-grouping of right wingers with a penchant for attacking the Muslim population of Britain. Among the group's facebook admin and members are names that will be familiar to anyone who has followed the racist English Defence League, some of whom were there around the time of the EDL's inception. There are also members of the group 'Cheerleaders' to be found in this group (they have quite a colourful history of their own).
It appears some members of EDL have broken away from the main group and are recruiting for their own campaign to target what they call 'Islamism'. In reality, just like the EDL they wish to target Muslims, as the sole aim of this group is to confront Muslims and no other religious or racial group. Their facebook group is littered with racism towards Muslims and other minority groups (no change there then). As with EDL, a tiny number of Muslims have been hoodwinked by the racists into believing they only wish to make a stand against 'miltant' Islam - we've all heard that one before.
Their facebook group -
http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages&tid=1635468047349#!/group.php?gid=225636574209&ref=ts
Their website -
http://niceonesuk.co.uk/index.php
Their group description is basically a distraction away from their real intentions. So far they have had various outings in central London, with one outing ending up in an altercation in Whitechapel (the current favourite haunt for right wing groups). Exactly what went on we haven't been able to get to the bottom of yet, though it involved members of the local Muslim community.
Make no mistake, underneath the non-racist image presented yet again by Islamophobic groups, lies the usual loathing of Islam and Muslims in line with groups such as SIOE, EDL and BNP. All fascist groups need to be challenged in this climate of hatred towards Muslims - NiceOnesUk are no exception.
Smash fascism.
It appears some members of EDL have broken away from the main group and are recruiting for their own campaign to target what they call 'Islamism'. In reality, just like the EDL they wish to target Muslims, as the sole aim of this group is to confront Muslims and no other religious or racial group. Their facebook group is littered with racism towards Muslims and other minority groups (no change there then). As with EDL, a tiny number of Muslims have been hoodwinked by the racists into believing they only wish to make a stand against 'miltant' Islam - we've all heard that one before.
Their facebook group -
http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages&tid=1635468047349#!/group.php?gid=225636574209&ref=ts Their website -
http://niceonesuk.co.uk/index.php Their group description is basically a distraction away from their real intentions. So far they have had various outings in central London, with one outing ending up in an altercation in Whitechapel (the current favourite haunt for right wing groups). Exactly what went on we haven't been able to get to the bottom of yet, though it involved members of the local Muslim community.
Make no mistake, underneath the non-racist image presented yet again by Islamophobic groups, lies the usual loathing of Islam and Muslims in line with groups such as SIOE, EDL and BNP. All fascist groups need to be challenged in this climate of hatred towards Muslims - NiceOnesUk are no exception.
Smash fascism.
Islamophobia is racism
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Absolute bollocks - sorry....[and I NO don't support EDL racism.]
04.10.2010 03:38
anon
Smash fascism!
04.10.2010 03:45
Nathan
They go to LMC regularly - Charlie Flowers is there often
04.10.2010 05:24
anon
Forget arguing on the Nice Ones...Bill Baker is a wannabe KILLER!!!!
04.10.2010 05:26
anon [another one]
Against Islam and Patriotism
04.10.2010 09:17
"If you are proud of Britain then you are a Patriot. There needs to be a clear and resounding voice to oppose extremism, hate, racism and bigotry no matter where it comes from, thus putting all these extremists into retirement. We must reinforce our sense of national unity and patriotism by standing together and above all not being frightened to tell it as it is."
Patriotism is one of the cornerstones of Fascism - putting your country before your class - and should be utterly opposed. Why should we feel more unity with people just because we live in the same geographical area? That is just a way used by the rich to screw over the poor into acting against their best interests.
@theist
read before judging
04.10.2010 09:18
"The Far Right cling onto a blood and soil ideology defined by Race based on a false premise of what it is to be a British Patriot. Britain is a great country, bigger and better than the narrow racist vision they promote. As a trading nation, we have always welcomed and assimilated new comers.
In recent years, the United Kingdom has been undermined by a warped concept of Multiculturalism, which urges us to co-exist in separate communities and which then inhibits us from speaking out when we want to explain why it is not working. We need unity: not division.
The victimization of any group is ugly and wrong whether directed at Gays, Jews, Muslims or any other group. It will not be tolerated here. Actions speak louder than words and we will fight intolerance every step of the way."
Yeah, that sounds well fascist to me.
anon
Patriotism is bad whether based on race or not
04.10.2010 09:25
Just because they are better than groups like the BNP in rejecting patriotism based on race, it doesn't mean their patriotism is any good.
Non-racist patriotism is still bad. It still puts country before class.
@theist
so is environmentalism
04.10.2010 09:43
As for putting country before class, I'm afraid the Left has been doing that for a long time. Just ask the Swappies who say that "Palestine is the working class, Israel is the ruling class" - or indeed, anyone on the I/P campaigns which routinely suck up to the Palestinian ruling class - notorious for attacking trade unions - and boycott the representatives of the Israeli working class (such as the Israeli trade unions).
anon
Charlie Flowers
04.10.2010 09:56
NOUK seems a pretty transparent front for a very strange guy called Charlie Flowers. On the negative side Charlie Flowers was happy to hold the megaphone for EDL puppet Guramit Singh (see photo) when Singh famously said Muslims should "burn in fucking hell", and Flowers is friends with and politically involved with EDL / ENA organiser Bill Baker (see photo - Flowers left holding banner, Baker right holding flag) who advocated the indiscriminate murder of Socialists and Muslims, so on that basis he comes over as total scum (Charlie Flowers is also friends with EDL activists Joel Titus, Matthew Kaplan and Alan Lake).
On the plus side Flowers seems to be genuinely involved with liberal Muslim groups, both socially and politically. So, while this gentleman's working out the conflicting noises in his head, the best approach for Anti-Fascists is to steer well clear, as, since he's happy to socialise with people from all sides, and while there is something to be said for dialogue, it's safest to assume that any info that might be communicated as a result of contact with this guy or his group could easily end up being reported back to the likes of Bill Baker. Either way, Anti-Fascists have nothing to lose by ignoring NOUK as they're miniscule, insignificant, and likely to remain so.
Salman Rushdie
Scoundrels
04.10.2010 10:01
Dr Johnson
Hey folks!
04.10.2010 11:55
You know, patriotism isn't even the main thing. It's the willingness to stand up to anyone who says that Muslims, or any religion or colour for that matter, can't be fully British, whether that is BNP loons who say Britain is for white people only or nutty Imams who say that part of being Muslim is hating non-Muslims and their society. As long as the existing 'anti-fascists' insist on attacking the former, but giving the latter a pass, and the 'counter-jihadists' do the reverse, there will be a need for us.
Besides, it's good fun. I like meeting new people.
As to the article itself, I'm excited to find out what this "altercation" in Whitechapel was. They can't be talking about our encounter with the Hugo Boss Taliban, can they?
Kaplan
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Environmentalism isn't a corrnerstone of Fascism
04.10.2010 14:01
Patriotism, however, is absolutely basic and important to fascism - it's what it's all about really. You can't be a fascist and not be a patriot - that wouldn't make sense.
This is really just a smokescreen though - it's not really essential to the issue that patriotism is also important to fascism. The main argument is that patriotism is absolutely wrong and should be opposed totally. So any group that claims to be "patriotic" as a main point of what they do should be regarded with great suspicion.
Why should I like my next door neighbour - who may be a total arsehole - more than someone who lives on the other side of the world who I think is really great and shares a similar world-view to me? That makes absolutely no sense, especially in these days of the internet and the "global village". Face it, it is time that patriotism was dead and buried.
@theist
LOL
04.10.2010 14:33
The only conflicting noises in my head are when I've got ATR playing in me headphones.
Anyway, once again Indymedia is to be commended for hard-hitting analysis, detailed knowledge, and getting it all completely wrong.
Charlie
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Message for Charlie Flowers
04.10.2010 15:52
You could have explained to us what the mistake was, but unfortunately you chose not to - and let's just re-cap here Charlie, yes I know you claim to have helped leaflet for Hope Not Hate, but you also attended ENA demos and chose to help out on an EDL demo AFTER dozens of EDL supporters had been photographed and filmed giving Nazi salutes. So, let's just clear the air here, what do you think of Bill Baker saying "the sooner we start killing Muslims the better and their socialist pals", and please explain exactly what your relationship with Bill Baker is - now, here, very clearly.
Salman Rushdie
Kaplan's thoughts
04.10.2010 16:12
As long as political opportunists like the BNP and C18 activists in the EDL continue to hide their true beliefs, and as long as naive berks like Matthew Kaplan and Joel Titus are willing to volunteer their services to them, there will be a need for US as well mate. As for Anti-Fascism giving "a pass" to Islamic extremists, I take you history students have never heard of The Centre for Social Cohesion, Gita Sahgal or Peter Tatchell?
Network of individuals
Wine gums
04.10.2010 16:49
Nice1s is basically a group that doesn't like any form of fascism, no matter who's behind it. The difference is 'white' fascists have most of the country down on them, 'brown' ones are still given the thumbs up by a lot of people.
Islam is not 'bullshit' it's a religion. And it's both fruity and funky.
Frankie Andrew Freedom
Centre for Social Cohesion
04.10.2010 17:24
Kaplan
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Stroll on
04.10.2010 18:17
Tell you what Charlie, why not make a video of yourself speaking to camera, saying EXACTLY what you think specifically of Guramit Singh and Bill Baker's statements, and post that video on your
PS - it's totally naive to equate Anti-Fascism with UAF/SWP...
Network of individuals
Weird city
04.10.2010 18:34
Otherwise I wouldn't be here as I have no interest in the 'left'/anarchism. What Nice1s has to do with this site I got no idea. Who's gonna get a tug as being Islamophobic next on here British Muslims for Secular Democracy? It's a weird one.
Frankie Andrew Freedom
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I've got a better idea-
04.10.2010 18:42
If Geert Wilders came to London tomorrow, and there was a demo, I'd turn out again. It's called freedom of speech, and freedom of association. Does it not irk you guys that you're not allowed to do that kind of protest in Parliament Square anymore? It applies to all groups.
I disagree with some of what Guramit said- I think he's wrong. Same goes for Bill's attitude now- I think he's wrong. Come to our groups and be astonished when you fail to find Rudolf Hess burnishing an eagle, and instead find people from all sections generally getting along,
Here's the links- join, if your masters allow you.
Nice Ones UK:
Cheerleaders Against Everything:
Charlie
@Frankie Andrew Freedom
04.10.2010 19:02
And of course it's only right this all should be explained, but unfortunately you havn't explained it
Finally, nice try but no, BMSD are not going to be accused of Islamophobia, unless EDL trolls attempt to make that accusation - stop trying to change the subject (unlike CF, to the best of my knowledge BMSD have nothing to try and cover-up for) and please actually answer the question/s
Individuals
Thanks Charlie
04.10.2010 19:59
No-one doubts that free speech entitles you to march with the EDL and ENA etc if you choose to Charlie, but if I have interpreted your post correctly, thanks, your statement clarifies your situation fucking perfectly
Individual
Hello Charlie
04.10.2010 20:07
Weird thing is, I started out on this thread defending NOUK against unduly speculative accusations of Islamophobia, but after what's been said I now think the original author might have been right after all
Salman Rushdie
Charlie wouldn't understand irony if it hit him in the face
04.10.2010 20:25
Interesting thing for people to note, during Guramit's speech where he made his inflammatory statements Charlie barely flinched nor did he appear to feel uncomfortable which what was being said, at the very least we would have expected a raised eyebrow?
Charlie, aligning yourself with BMSD doesn't give you any credibility, BMSD do their own thing - they don't claim to be a religious group but rather a group of Muslims that support the idea of Muslims participating in democracy, they aren't a religious organisation and nor do they have any grassroots support. Your whole "being in with BMSD" simply revolves around you having a friendship with Tehmina Kazi and she would be wise to ditch you as soon as possible.
Charlie and his group paints anyone who does not fit in with his narrow viewpoint as an extremist Muslim or an Islamist - his sole aim is simply to try and portray the majority of Muslims in the UK as Islamist and therefore only his group and other Quilliam approved groups as constituting "UK Islam" yet Charlie finds it difficult to explain what UK Islam really is and besides who said Charlie could define what and what doesn't constitute "UK Islam".
The actions of his group of "Cheerleaders" are just childish to say the least, this guy simply isn't credible.
Joe MDL
oh dear
04.10.2010 21:40
I just thought I'd jump in with a few facts to stop you making *complete* fools of yourselves as you speculate wildly. I see it hasn't stopped you though.
Kaplan
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http://kaplansthoughts.blogspot.com
Bridge building
04.10.2010 22:15
Unlike many EDL who are from predominantly white middle England areas Charlie Flowers is from a mixed area of North London. He is no racist and no Islamophobe, calling him that won't wash. He is linked to more than one Muslim group. Someone has to start building bridges and Charlie Flowers is doing this. If the Nice Ones UK are "insignificant" then why all the attention?
To all the people who have said that patriotism equals fascism what do you say to the MDL who have described themselves proud British muslims?
@ Joe MDL, you have said that the NOUK have no credibility, well the same can be said of the MDL group you have involved yourself with. Your group has been criticised by your fellow Muslim brothers for not opposing the EDL adequately and for wasting time talking about what you've had for dinner. There have been a number of posts on MDL facebook asking all your "members" what they have eaten for dinner. Worse still not so subtle racism from the MDL against white people is rearing it's ugly head. Are you an anti racist group or really a group that supports extremism, doesn't approve of non Muslims and has an agenda against white people? Your motto is "Defending all races and religions" but is this really true?
Charlie Flowers attempted to engage with your MDL group just to be told by someone calling himself "The MDL High Command" that they are from the MDL high command and therefore meet with no one. What use is that? Who really wants to be involved with a group who's leadership states that they are the high command and meet with no one? Your MDL has used some underhand and dirty tactics to say the least against the other MDL and these underhand tactics could likely be used against anyone else your MDL group falls out with or who are no longer of any use to your group. These tactics could just as easily be used against you by the "high command." Your MDL is a parody of the MDL to be frank. I would be wary too of any group that asks a 14 year old girl to become a spokeswoman and names her as such [or as an admin seeing as your group in reality only exists on facebook.] You MDL only attend protests that have been organised by the UAF or Palestine Solidarity campaigns and has no real structure or proper leadership.
anon
BNP party-line
05.10.2010 01:02
To be honest you were (past tense) coming out of this a bit better than Charlie Flowers, but now you're starting to piss me off. You, Sherlock, are the person who, despite being Jewish, CHOSE to give your services to the EDL - a group founded by closet Nazis from the BNP - I take it you do know about BNP chairman Nick Griffin's famous views about the Holocaust? FYI the BNP's forebears in Oswald Mosley's BUF were jailed during WW2 for being traitors, and you know nothing about the culture you aspire to be part if you fail to understand the deep hate Britons feel towards (historic and modern) manifestations of National Socialism (of which the BNP and EDL are just the latest sorry incarnations). FYI, moron, Fascists bombed the fuck out of Britain during WW2 so we don't just hate Fascists for ideological or political reasons. As for Charlie Flowers' latest anonymous masterpiece, he's not "building bridges" he's desperately trying to save face, and don't flatter yourselves that a quick roasting on Indymedia constitutes real "attention" (much as you love attention) - in the unlikely event you twats become a priority for Anti-Fascism believe me you'll know it. "Anti fascist groups too often fail to oppose fascism if it is spewed from the mouth of someone who isn't white"? No, only ONE (small) anti-Fascist group does this, you forgot to mention the other main Anti-Fascist group - which is everyone else in the UK. So Charlie Flowers is no Islamophobe? He just confirmed he'll knowingly march alongside EDL Nazis if the EDL march again in support of Islamophobe Geert Wilders
Photos - Charlie Flowers with the March for England + March for England Sieg Heiling
Individual
Common Ground
05.10.2010 09:23
But fundamentalist Islam is a tiny movement in this country, so focusing on it to the exclusion of other religions is a bit like the people who complain about sexism towards men, or racism towards white people. Christianity is a far bigger problem since it has tentacles in the higher levels of political power in this country, and is used to justify the killing of thousands of people in wars. But that's just a tactical disagreement rather than a moral one. So not really a major difference of opinion.
But if people want to attack Islam, that is fine by me, as long as it isn't just an excuse for racism. In this case it seems racism isn't present, so we have another point of agreement! Racism is bad.
I understand Charlie Flowers is a singer in a band called the Fighting Cocks, which plays Essex Gypsy punk. Are they gypsies themselves I wonder, or do they just like the music? Gypsies won't be too keen on neo-Nazis or fascists given their persecution.
Now to the main point of difference: patriotism. Patriotism makes absolutely no sense at all, especially in this day and age. It is illogical and regressive. Like religion, it puts blind faith before reason. It is used by the upper classes to get the lower classes to die for them and to reduce class solidarity. You should fight for what you personally believe in, not for what people who live near you believe in. We are all global citizens now, fuck those border and walls put up to divide us.
So, in conclusion, drop the patriotism bullshit and keep on attacking Islam and being clear to condemn racism, fascism and neo-Nazi hangers-on of the EDL, and you might be onto something good.
Look at the groups who attack Catholicism and the Pope for a good example of how to do it. If they were surrounded by Irish Loyalists or people who hate Italians then we would condemn them. But they aren't, they are focused on the evils of religion and all the nasty things the Catholic Church promotes.
@theist
Are you guys on a wind up?
05.10.2010 12:58
"Patriotism is one of the cornerstones of Fascism - putting your country before your class - and should be utterly opposed."
"Non-racist patriotism is still bad. It still puts country before class."
"The main argument is that patriotism is absolutely wrong and should be opposed totally."
"So, in conclusion, drop the patriotism bullshit and keep on attacking Islam"
No wonder Communism/Marxism/Anarchism etc are only followed by a tiny minority of people and are rejected by the British people.
If you really want to oppose people who are patriotic I suggest rounding up your troops and turning up at Wembley on the 12th of this month for England v Montenegro to see how your message goes down with 50,000 patriotic English people from every race and religion.
Your ideas have about as much chance of ever blooming as those of Combat 18 and Islam4UK.
PS: 'attackin Islam'? No thanks. This is a free country.
Fat Farmer
OK two things-
05.10.2010 13:49
2. For the unenlightened, "Joe MDL" is actually Axe Khabir in real life-
(see below)
He's a big fan of the Taliban, and also like to get non-Muslims to take the "Christian poison test". Take it away Axe! :)
Charlie
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Supporting a football team makes you patriotic? WTF?
05.10.2010 21:07
Personally I couldn't give a shit which team anyone supports, but if someone wants to cheer on the England team at football that's not an issue. Nor should it matter if they support Montenegro.
My experience is that people increasingly have friends from all over the world, and your country of birth or residence is irrelevant. Maybe that isn't the case in inbred bumpkin-land where you do your farming and marry your cousins, but the rest of the world is increasingly multicultural.
Patriotism means "my country right or wrong" (even if it is wrong?! WTF), loving the Monarchy (fuck the upper-class inbreds) and feeling you have more in common with the aristocracy that with some ordinary person living in another country. I think you'll find you are the dinosaur living in fantasy land. Those kind of views went out decades ago.
And a free country means we are free to attack religion, which seeks to enslave us with bigotry and dogma. Not just Islam but all of them.
@theist
We could do with no patriotism at all
06.10.2010 00:20
Patriotism is giving, in principle, MORE of a shit about the country you live in and your neighbours who live there than you give to OTHER countries. That is obviously moronic. Obviously in practice you deal with things local to you, but you don't think you are somehow superior human beings to other countries. You seriously care more about the ruling classes in this country more than you are about regular people in other countries?!
Wikipedia: "Patriotism is a love and devotion to a country for no other reason than being a resident there."
"For no other reason" - i.e. pure dogma and lack of rational reason.
I like where I live and I do my best to make it a nice place, I try to buy locally, etc, but I absolutely reject patriotism. Patriotism is just dogmatic brainwashing they try to instill in the more naive members of the Armed Forces so they don't feel so bad about being cannon fodder for the wars of the rich and powerful who sit comfortably at home.
I think Christianity causes way more problems here than Islam. Homophobia, child abuse, sexism, warmongering, general bigotry. Islam is a drop in the ocean by comparison. And they have massive financial and political clout. In other countries Islam is the main problem, but surely if you are a patriot, you shouldn't care about that so much and should be concentrating on Christianity.
And Christianity hasn't always been part of our history - remember originally we had druids and various pagan religions until the Christians took over. So they are no better than Islam in that respect. Maybe our pagan ancestors were too slack-jawed to oppose the Christian invasion?
@theist
England 1 Indymedia 0
06.10.2010 00:44
No-one's talking about any old football team, we're talking about the National football team-England. I don't know what you're idea of patriotic is but 50,000 or more people draped in red and white, waving England flags and chanting Ingerrrland Ingerrrland Ingerrrland is pretty much most people's idea of feeling patriotic. Not that I'm a Royalist, but the last time I saw 70,000 people at Wembley singing the National Anthem I thought to myself, God that's got to be painful for the Communist/Anarcho crowd.
What's multicultural got to do with anything? England and Britain have always been multicultural. Do you really believe people who have parents from foreign cultures have no feeling towards the country they were born in? I'm taking it you haven't got much 'multicultural' blood yourself to make that assumption.
This ultra left/Anarcho/Communist/Marxist world that people on here seem to live in doesn't exist in Britain, apart from tiny tiny pockets, miniscule. Name me one Communist, Anarchist, ultra-left group that has the backing of numbers that the likes of the Tory or Labour Party, or even UKIP have. Just one. They're as irrelevant as the BNP. Actually the BNP poll way more votes than any Communist outfit. Now I'd call that an embarrassment.
This no nations no borders nonsense just isn't going to happen, ever. Thank God.
No race war. No class war. No religious war. How bout that? Just normal people.
Roll on the Olympics.
Fat Farmer
If Nice Ones UK is run by a Muslim how can they be Islamophobic?
06.10.2010 04:34
Elizebeth 1st
I don't know Mr Flowers but i don't think he's trying to save face.
06.10.2010 08:08
anon
Hmmmm.....
06.10.2010 09:07
From Indymedia:
"And a free country means we are free to attack religion, which seeks to enslave us with bigotry and dogma. Not just Islam but all of them."
"keep on attacking Islam and being clear to condemn racism"
From NiceOnesUK:
"This group is pro-Muslim and Islam. We are against the extreme political ideology of groups such as Hizb ut-Tahrir and other less vocal groups. If you are anti-muslim, do not join."
So it's looking like Indymedia=against Islam(and all religion) and NiceOnesUK=pro-Islam and religion but against religious extremism.
Surely NiceOnesUK should be doing an article on Indymedia's extreme stance on Islam and religion?
Arry
re: Hmmm
06.10.2010 09:46
I just speak for myself, others on Indymedia may have different opinions. e.g. the Catholic antiwar people. But I guess it is true that anarchism is generally opposed to religion.
Fat Farmer: "the last time I saw 70,000 people at Wembley singing the National Anthem I thought to myself, God that's got to be painful for the Communist/Anarcho crowd."
Communists have national anthems so I don't know why it would be painful for them. But I couldn't care less if people want to watch football and sing the national anthem. That doesn't make them patriotic, it makes them football fans. I'm sure there are a few patriotic morons there, but football fans are largely from the fairly well-off professional and middle management demographic these days, seeing how it is so expensive. They don't really think the England team is any better than other teams, it's just a good one to pick to support seeing how you live here.
Now I don't really understand the homoerotic appeal of watching 22 fit men in shorts running round kicking a ball about, but if it turns some people on, then fine. Supporting a national sports team has absolutely nothing to do with patriotism.
@theist
@atheist
06.10.2010 22:48
The wikipedia definition is more akin to nationalism. It doesn't define the true spirit of patriotism. Being a true patriot is much more than written words in a dictionary; it's a state of mind, a love for your country and the principles of freedom and democracy that was instilled in us by the courageous and unselfish actions of our forefathers and the tens of thousands of true patriots that followed in their footsteps through the many years that followed.
>>>> I like where I live and I do my best to make it a nice place, I try to buy locally, etc, .....
Then you are clearly a patriot.
>>>>> I think Christianity causes way more problems here than Islam. Homophobia, child abuse, sexism, warmongering, general bigotry. Islam is a drop in the ocean by comparison. And they have massive financial and political clout. In other countries Islam is the main problem, but surely if you are a patriot, you shouldn't care about that so much and should be concentrating on Christianity.
Christianity never did me any harm. They don't go around wearing suicide bombs and bickering about how Islam is the best thing since sliced bread. If you bother to care about the UK culture, then you would be vehemently against Islam.
And Christianity hasn't always been part of our history - remember originally we had druids and various pagan religions until the Christians took over. So they are no better than Islam in that respect. Maybe our pagan ancestors were too slack-jawed to oppose the Christian invasion?
Yes. But since everyone has grown up with it, its a little late to suddenly change back. Lets not let the same happen with Islam. It should be banned in this country just like Scientology.
rifleman
Well said Arry
07.10.2010 01:16
anon
I think we have different ideas of what "patriot" means, then...
07.10.2010 09:42
But maybe by going on about Patriotism on your website you might be alienating potential supporters who have a similar concept of the term to me?
@theist
lofiatpaddedcell
07.10.2010 19:39
Nice Ones are Patriots, not Nationalists.
Joe MDL, or Axe as he is normally known, was it Mary Allen or Richard Seymour who wrote that for you? it is way to coherent to be your usual text speech.
Guys, if you have a worry, come on over and talk, its face book so most of you will have a profile or two. We wont bite, and will happily engage in adult debate. We are not PC, more council estate, but leave your faux outrage at the door, dig deep rather than scratch the surface and see that all we want is a safe, unified, multicultural society - well, less Mexicans ;)
Help us create rather than allow the extreme right/left to destroy.
As the puppet rat says, "simples, init"
Iain Westland
re: lofiatpaddedcell
08.10.2010 10:54
Sorry I don't really understand what you mean here. Patriots somehow think the people of their own country are better than the people of other countries?
And countries don't have a "class" themselves: their population is divided into a number of economic classes.
I would never use Facebook and expose private details to dodgy companies and the whole world, so that isn't an option for me.
And I realise it is meant as a joke, but what is wrong with Mexicans at the moment? The few I have met have been very nice people.
@theist
If that article had been written about anyone else it would have been removed
08.10.2010 23:49
..oh and by the way to the stupid fuck who wrote it, how can a pro Muslim group be Islamophobic?
Charlie Flowers you are hereby officially famous LOL.
[He's actually alright in real life. He is.]
anon
In reply, maybe clarification..
10.10.2010 15:16
"Patriotism is about the people of the country. Nationalism is about the class of the Country."
A Patriot is proud to declare his 'home land', to stand side by side with the peoples of it. He does not care where a man's ancestry lies but rather in said man's allegiance. I would not blindly go to war just on the whim of an elected government, but I will stand and fight against any invader.
A Nationalist, well he thinks he is better than everybody else.
We are proud to be patriots, but that does not make us better..
There are people in the UK who think that white is right, they are w*nkers. There are people in the UK who think that you can not be a Brit if you are not white, they are w*nkers. There are people in the UK who think that you can not be a Brit Muslim, they are w*nkers.
Mexicans, cant trust em, coming over here and giving us enchiladas ;) Its our Un-PC way of showing how illogical it is to hate somebody just because of their birth place.
Iain Westland
We fail to fit into the standard pigion holes as we are not pidgions, we are the Nice Ones, and we want a working society, not a street full of w*nkers, regardless of their colour, religion or place of birth.
lofiatpaddedcell
Nice Ones UK
11.10.2010 08:37
As for the semi-numerous troll posts (all by Charlie) defending his position on all this, when people have shown hard evidence suggesting Nice Ones UK stated aims totally clash with their founder's disgusting behaviour, there's not a great deal of point in simply coming back and re-stating Nice Ones UK's stated aims. Yes Joel Titus is mixed race and yes therefore an "unlikely" racist. FYI Joel Titus may not be racist at all but he is definitely stupid enough to allow himself to be used by racists. No Charlie Flowers is not from the Roma community (nice try Charlie but that was desperate), and, as for sharing a drink with these people, if any Anti-Fascists want to be personally ID'd by EDL leadership like Joel Titus, then sing a jolly tune and stroll right into this TRAP
As for Charlie Flowers' actual statements, thanks again for confirming that "if Geert Wilders comes back I'll do it all over again, and next St George's Day I'll probably be draping England flags all over Trafalgar Square again". No-one disputes that yes you are free to continue attending events organised by homicidal racist Bill Baker - thanks again for confirming you're definitely still a fucking moron Charlie. To put all this in perspective, when UAF issued a call for people to support Martin Smith (who IS a bit of a berk) after Smith was arrested for protesting against the BNP, to his credit EDL leader Joel Titus posted on Facebook saying "I think I would rather support Martin Smith on this one", to which Charlie Flowers responded by saying "I'd rather support bloody Goebbels".... QED this guy is clearly a total cunt and not to be trusted by anyone ever
Here's a video of Charlie Flowers -
Network of individuals
Cheerleaders + NIce Ones UK
11.10.2010 08:55
At least the EDL grunts-and-file had the good sense not to stick out like a sore thumb on EDL demos
Other photos show the boy genius at one of the Cheerleader's not-famous piss-ups, and Charlie Flowers being bitten by Joel "Rocket Science" Titus (it must be love)
Loch Ness
Nazi Salute
11.10.2010 22:27
lofiatpaddedcell
Bring it
12.10.2010 18:56
Charlie
e-mail:
fightingcocks@live.co.uk
The banal dishonesty of Groups such as Indymedia
12.10.2010 20:57
On the one hand, you describe yourselves a global collective of "democratic" journalists but from the numerous publicity and postings I have seen on the Net I have reached the conclusion your are a publicity engine for the SWP/UAF. Of course, you will deny this and probably even deny you are Socialists at all; just a group of "concerned" citizens.
If this is indeed the case, what are your objectives? If Indymedia and their supporters support Muslims why do they criticise Muslims for Secular Democracy or the Quilliam Foundation? If you support mainstream Islam, why not support moderate Groups that seek to de-radicalise young Muslims?
Indymedia and their supporters prefer to attack groups like NiceOnes UK who are not only a Pro-Muslim Group but also support democracy, freedom of speech and plurality of religion and an end to Political Islam in the UK. Of course, there Indymedia would prefer to project an image of Nice Ones UK posing as moderates but infact being crypto-Islamophobes (this word does not exist in the English language) but this Forum fail to grasp that many members of Nice ones UK are Muslims who also wish to practice their religion & live in peace with their UK neighbours and do not support Political Islam.
If you do not believe in freedom of expression and plurality of religion in this country that is of course your right and if you wish to manipulate Muslims in the UK for your own political ends then I am sure you will persist with your Agenda. If you are, as I suspect, Shariah Socialists and your desire is to destabilise the UK to realise your class or social revolution then who am i to stop you? . As Secular Socialists, you have no interested in Islam or Muslims whatsoever other than furthering your own agenda. My complaint: You are dishonest. You cannot communicate your true intentions. Your agenda, if ever realised, would cause untold suffering to the British people. In short, Indymedia and their supporters are hypocrites who don't even have the courage to come out and articulate their true intentions and political aspirations. Due to all the above, I will oppose and humiliate you at every opportunity. I will block your progress and ensure ridicule and scorn will be heaped on you every time your dishonest articles appear on the Net.
jack kerouac
e-mail:
jack_kerouac@live.co.uk
Charlie Flowers, Famous (inside his own head)
13.10.2010 23:13
I have no problem with "members of Nice Ones UK (who) are (sic) Muslims who also wish to practice their religion & live in peace with their UK neighbours and do not support Political Islam", I only have a problem with members of Nice Ones UK who agitate for the EDL, who support Islamophobes like Geert Wilders, and who hang out with homicidal Fascists like Bill Baker, ie - with YOU. Your involvement with the EDL and with Bill Baker etc total discredits you as a political activist, so you'd be well advised to fuck off out of politics forever, but if you absolutely insist on drawing more attention to your involvement with these wankers, go ahead
"I will block your progress and ensure ridicule and scorn will be heaped on you every time your dishonest articles appear on the Net" - wow, that's us told Napoleon. Hang on isn't it YOU who've been dishonest about your political activities and YOU who's been ridiculed all over (at least this bit of) the net? OK Charlie, I guess I must have been wrong, so crack on then, be my guest. And no being outed as a cunt on Indymedia does not make you "famous", much as you'd like to be (funny how people involuntarily reveal their true agenda)
Guitar amp
Nice Ones UK links to EDL + Protest Cancelled
14.10.2010 00:30
Oh yeah, and the NIce Ones UK protest has been cancelled
Socket
Next person that doubts my Gypsy heritage on here gets sparked-
14.10.2010 19:41
Do it again and we fight.
PS- Aki Nawaz is a fucking coward.
Charlie
e-mail:
fighfingcocks@live.co.uk
Homepage:
http://www.f-cocks.co.uk
@ Charlie Flowers (Not your real name)
15.10.2010 00:50
Fuckwit. Are you going to apologise for your slanderous statements?
Question, how can you expect support when you still associate with the SIOE propaganda mob?
P.S. @ Jacques, Indymedia is generally frequented with Anarchists and if you read through most of the articles you will see little love for the UAF or SWP but then again I expect nothing else from you and your fascination in trying to demonise anything that challenges you as Sharia socialists or far left of some sort. This is why you were a laughing stock when you were EDL dover ferry, because you come out with utter crap that a 5 year old could research more effectively. Do you still want to burn me as an effigy on a bonfire?
Drew Sutton (Always happy to use my own name)
Nice Ones UK threaten violence against their critics
15.10.2010 02:53
Truly Charlie, the longer you continue posting on Indymedia the more you make yourself look like a jackass
Not only do you have the arrogance to pretend you know the names of the anonymous posters on Indymedia (believe me, you don't) but you're even prepared to threaten named individuals on the basis of presuming to (falsely) know the identity of people who are, by your own admission, "anonymous". Wow, clairvoyant as well as "famous" - well done Napoleon! Don't spose there's any chance of you finding the courage to ANSWER the questions about your Fascist links?
Socket
Niceones is an EDL front
15.10.2010 14:43
Taken from cheerleaders
Link for original video-
So to be fair maybe Arry has been telling porky's to all the other niceones and cheerleaders members including Charlie whilst still being a central EDL member or maybe the pair of them are manipulating a lot of people.
With there history I know which one I'm going for.
I do feel sorry for the genuine people they have conned into thinking there intentions are legit but they are taking you for a ride. For the ex EDL involved, don't get mugged off again. Being fooled twice into thinking a group is anti extremist doesn't look good. This ones more selective of its targets but its still designed to create a them and us mentality that will label honest Muslims as extremists sooner or later. If people really want to engage with the Muslim community to help get rid of extremists, alligning yourself with these characters will see you shunned by the majority of Muslims who will then inturn be classified as not proper UK muslims and wahaabi's by Charlie and Arry.
Drew Sutton (Still happy to use my own name)
Charlie Flowers vs Haitham al Haddad
16.10.2010 13:42
Rocker
WHERE DOES HE GET THESE PEOPLE....I MEAN!!!
18.10.2010 20:37
You see Charlie: we don't need you to fight islamic extremism, because all we need is to be educated about Islam. Because the more they know about islam, the more they understand that it is forbidden to take things to extremes in islam. We don't need you to tell us that....God Almighty already told us. And if you think you can take God on, then be my guest. The loser will be, and is YOU.
I am an educated, professional woman, who would never think to turn to the EDL or any of your buddies to help me claim my rights. You are a joke Charlie. I wear hijab, and I think you are a sad, bald, middle-aged man, who has nothing better to do with his time than stalk vulnerable young Muslim girls on the internet. You are a sad, sad man, who I pity.
To the Muslims who think that Charlie Petal Girlie Flowers is some sort of anarchist hero...I pity them even more, that they should think it's "cool" to try to be in your "gang". It's worse than being back at school. Sad and pathetic. Islam came to liberate mankind from all forms of slavery and oppression. Thank you Charlie, but we don't need you to liberate us, particularly women, islam already did, 1400 years ago. And thank you for your wonderful manifesto on your Fighting Cocks website, about how you will use rock and roll to bring down islam....thanks Charlie, but I have a better manifesto for you: THIS IS AN ANTI FASCIST, ANTI-SEXIST, ANTI-RACIST, ANTI-OPPRESSION, HUMAN RIGHTS AND ECONOMIC LIBERATION MANIFESTO:
The Prophet Muhammad's Last Sermon:
After praising, and thanking God, he said: "O People, listen well to my words, for I do not know whether, after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY.
O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Treat others justly so that no one would be unjust to you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds. God has forbidden you to take usury (riba), therefore all riba obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital , however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer inequity. God has judged that there shall be no riba and that all the riba due to `Abbas ibn `Abd al Muttalib shall henceforth be waived.
Every right arising out of homicide in pre-Islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that I waive is that arising from the murder of Rabi`ah ibn al Harith ibn `Abd al Muttalib.
O Men, the Unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calendar in order to make permissible that which God forbade, and to forbid that which God has made permissible. With God the months are twelve in number. Four of them are sacred, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Sha`ban. Beware of the devil, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.
O People, it is true that you have certain rights over your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Treat your women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. It is your right and they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste...
O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God (The One Creator of the Universe), perform your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your financial obligation (zakah) of your wealth. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you will answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.
O People, NO PROPHET OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I am leaving you with the Book of God (the QUR'AN*) and my SUNNAH (the life style and the behavioral mode of the Prophet), if you follow them you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people.
LASTLY A WARNING TO ALL PEOPLE: WHATEVER YOUR RELIGION, BUT PARTICULARLY DAFT MUSLIMS. BEING FRIENDS WITH FLOWERS AND HIS EDL BUDDIES IS LIKE THE JEWS HAVING A TEA-PARTY WITH THE SS... WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!
AND NO CHARLIE, THIS IS NOT AKI NAWAZ...I REALLY AM A MUSLIM WOMAN, I DON'T NEED ANY MAN TO SPEAK FOR ME, I HAVE MY OWN VOICE, THANKS....SO GET BACK TO YOUR EDL THUGS MATE, COZ MUSLIM WOMEN, REALLY DON'T NEED YOU!!!!!!
A REAL MUSLIM WOMAN
e-mail:
islamforwomen@hotmail.co.uk
THANKS CHARLIE, MUSLIM WOMEN DON'T NEED YOU
18.10.2010 20:40
You see Charlie: we don't need you to fight islamic extremism, because all we need is to be educated about Islam. Because the more they know about islam, the more they understand that it is forbidden to take things to extremes in islam. We don't need you to tell us that....God Almighty already told us. And if you think you can take God on, then be my guest. The loser will be, and is YOU.
I am an educated, professional woman, who would never think to turn to the EDL or any of your buddies to help me claim my rights. You are a joke Charlie. I wear hijab, and I think you are a sad, bald, middle-aged man, who has nothing better to do with his time than stalk vulnerable young Muslim girls on the internet. You are a sad, sad man, who I pity.
To the Muslims who think that Charlie Petal Girlie Flowers is some sort of anarchist hero...I pity them even more, that they should think it's "cool" to try to be in your "gang". It's worse than being back at school. Sad and pathetic. Islam came to liberate mankind from all forms of slavery and oppression. Thank you Charlie, but we don't need you to liberate us, particularly women, islam already did, 1400 years ago. And thank you for your wonderful manifesto on your Fighting Cocks website, about how you will use rock and roll to bring down islam....thanks Charlie, but I have a better manifesto for you: THIS IS AN ANTI FASCIST, ANTI-SEXIST, ANTI-RACIST, ANTI-OPPRESSION, HUMAN RIGHTS AND ECONOMIC LIBERATION MANIFESTO:
The Prophet Muhammad's Last Sermon:
After praising, and thanking God, he said: "O People, listen well to my words, for I do not know whether, after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY.
O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Treat others justly so that no one would be unjust to you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds. God has forbidden you to take usury (riba), therefore all riba obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital , however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer inequity. God has judged that there shall be no riba and that all the riba due to `Abbas ibn `Abd al Muttalib shall henceforth be waived.
Every right arising out of homicide in pre-Islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that I waive is that arising from the murder of Rabi`ah ibn al Harith ibn `Abd al Muttalib.
O Men, the Unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calendar in order to make permissible that which God forbade, and to forbid that which God has made permissible. With God the months are twelve in number. Four of them are sacred, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Sha`ban. Beware of the devil, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.
O People, it is true that you have certain rights over your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Treat your women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. It is your right and they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste...
O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God (The One Creator of the Universe), perform your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your financial obligation (zakah) of your wealth. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you will answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.
O People, NO PROPHET OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I am leaving you with the Book of God (the QUR'AN*) and my SUNNAH (the life style and the behavioral mode of the Prophet), if you follow them you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people.
LASTLY A WARNING TO ALL PEOPLE: WHATEVER YOUR RELIGION, BUT PARTICULARLY DAFT MUSLIMS. BEING FRIENDS WITH FLOWERS AND HIS EDL BUDDIES IS LIKE THE JEWS HAVING A TEA-PARTY WITH THE SS... WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!
AND NO CHARLIE, THIS IS NOT AKI NAWAZ...I REALLY AM A MUSLIM WOMAN, I DON'T NEED ANY MAN TO SPEAK FOR ME, I HAVE MY OWN VOICE, THANKS....SO GET BACK TO YOUR EDL THUGS MATE, COZ MUSLIM WOMEN, REALLY DON'T NEED YOU!!!!!!
REAL MUSLIM WOMAN
e-mail:
islamforwomen@hotmail.co.uk
Real Muslim Woman
18.10.2010 21:46
EDL, as far as I am concerned you can stuff them, if anything creates extreme reactions in the UK it is those boys. Your right about the need for education, would you like AC's address? you can start with him.
I personally like the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies and BMSD.
Peace and respect
iain
Iain Westland
@ IAN WESTLAND
19.10.2010 08:23
I feel pity, only pity for all the people sucked into this stupid mess.
Thanks for pointing out about "Charlie" apparently leaving the Niceones...but as we all know, he loves his alter-egos. I don't believe for one minute that he has left it, but you are free to believe whatever you want.
I will leave all his entourage to have the nice tea party with their Führer.
Thanks, and blessings.
REAL MUSLIM WOMAN
REAL MUSLIM WOMAN
What next?
19.10.2010 10:44
I was invited to the very first meeting back in August in London to discuss the formation of a new group that was to be inclusive, clear about it's aims and not to target innocent people. I made the trip to London where there were 11 people present, 4 Muslims, 2 Christians, 1 Catholic and 4 atheists. It was discussed and decided that the aims of the group would be to 1. Educate those with a fear of Islam and to point them in the direction of secular Islamic groups, 2. To target the fundamentalists within the religion and 3. To get people out of their living rooms and to meet in real life and to actually do something positive.
One thing that I was made aware of at the meeting was that this group would face opposition from all sides - people on both the left and right of politics, and from Muslims and others who would feel threatened by something that was going to break barriers down and actually bring people together. I took this with a pinch of salt at the time as I could see no apparent reason why anyone would wish to do so. After the last few weeks, though I am still at a loss as to why NiceOnesUK would face this opposition, what I was told seems to be coming true.
So far there has been opposition from, on the left - Unite Against Fascism, United Shades of Britain and yourselves Indymedia (my ever decreasing respect for these groups is at an all time low), and on the right - EDL and BNP (one BNP member perusing NiceOnesUK website commented that it was "the biggest load of shit I've ever read".
To top it off there does indeed seem to be so called Muslims who have a problem with people from different faiths or no faith getting together to target the fundamentalists within the religion. I'm quite happy to see the fundamentalists within my own religion face the ridicule and opposition that they regularly do. Is it a problem for some that the same level of opposition is shown to similar people within the Islamic faith? I certainly don't believe most Muslims feel this way, I have great faith in the Muslims that I know and have met, and the organisations that truly represent Islam in Britain.
All this leaves me wondering, what next? Where will the next unwarranted, deranged attack come from?
Obviously there ARE people (with problems of their own by the looks of it) who don't wish to see others all getting along. Shame on them. It's not going to stop people getting together. That's all I have to say.
Brook Edwards
Reply to Brook Edwards
19.10.2010 12:30
Funnily enough the local press reported Joel Titus and other EDL supporters were involved in a pub fight that halted a St George's Day parade in West End Road, Ruislip on April 23 - 5 people were arrested, 1 admitted racially aggravated public order offences and 1 admitted assaulting a police officer, and Joel Titus himself received a separate police caution for punching press cameraman Marc Vallée after the 2nd Harrow Mosque protest - not bad for a man who claims to be non-violent, non-racist and who claims to believe in free speech
A real Anti-Fascist
lying Communist wankers
19.10.2010 21:28
Gaujo wankers.
ta ta.
Charlie
e-mail:
fightingcocks@live.co.uk
Homepage:
http://www.f-cocks.co.uk
CHARLIE THE GENTLEMAN, WITH SWEET WORDS OF PEACE I SEE
19.10.2010 22:54
You are a gentleman, as always I see. Forever the diplomat. Muslim women frequenting with the likes of you, should have their heads examined by a female doctor... or any woman for that matter!
Keep on sowing your seeds of hate, and you will reap the rewards. AND YES, WE WOULD DEARLY LOVE TO SEE YOUR REAL NAME/ID DOCUMENTS. After all, it was you that published your opponent's address on the internet. It's good to walk in other people's shoes sometimes! I won't publish mine, just in case you were wondering. I am not that stupid!
@ The very sweet hearted, Brooke Edwards, all I can say, is please join a real peace group. You sound like a genuine, kind, Christian man. Don't waste your time and efforts on these thugs. If you doubt who they are, just have a little look at Google for yourself my friend. Just search them all, and see what comes up.
I am sure that during the time of the SS in Germany, there were really nice people, who just happened to be wearing a German uniform...that doesn't mean that it was a good idea to join with them. Also, we should be trying to avoid another persecution like what happened to the Jews in WW2, and any other ethnic/religious/cultural group that the fascists didn't like. It could happen again. Don't believe their superficiality, or their smoke screen, these groups were started by EDL members. I am sure that you are too nice to want to be associated with these guys.
SAD, VERY SAD AND PATHETIC. BUT I SUPPOSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET TO MIDDLE AGE,AND LOSE YOUR HAIR, AND DON'T HAVE A LIFE. YOU START NEEDING A HOBBY. MY ADVICE IS TO GO AND BUY A TRAIN SET, OR SOMETHING.
MUSLIM WOMAN AGAIN
Dear Muslim Woman [male]. Does Islam respect elders? Your comments on Jews...
20.10.2010 03:56
I suspect "Muslim Woman" is actually a bloke.
anon
Liberated Muslim women....
20.10.2010 04:16
anon
Homepage:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/06/sakineh-mohammadi-ashtiani-iran-interview
Muslim women and "Honour killings" - rape, torture and death
20.10.2010 04:19
anon
Homepage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuVwgconEMI
I AM A WOMAN, HARD AS IT MAY BE TO BELIEVE
20.10.2010 10:05
I apologise about the balding and middle-age comment, but compared to the threats and insults posted by this individual, they are only home truths. "Balding" is not an insult, the last time I checked, and neither is "middle-aged".
I would never, and have never insulted/threatened anyone from any community, and particularly Ahl-al-Kitab, the Jews and Christians. Despite the fact that UK and America launching armed campaigns of terror in Iraq and Afghanistan, we would NEVER resort to suggesting that we try to "reform" the religions of the nations who have done this. So why should the "whole" Muslim community be the focus and target of everyone's wishes to "reform" and "modernise", and prevent "extremism"? Has anyone ever spoken about reforming the Church of England, based on the actions of some loyalists in Northern Ireland, or reforming the Catholic Church based on the actions of the IRA? People seem to become totally blinkered and unable to reason when it comes to Islam. Come on now....most Muslims are not going around trying to blow people up...come on! Criminals are criminals, the rest of us are just normal people. We do not need any Charlie Flowerpot-Man to tell Muslims how to act, thank you.
AND FOR THE RECORD, YES, I AM A WOMAN, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
REAL MUSLIM WOMAN
Dear Charlie
20.10.2010 11:02
So as to your title of your last comment, weird how you use the same rhetoric as the EDL for anyone who opposes you, not only am I not a communist I really don't think communism is a very good idea at all.
Now the strange thing is you're just repeating what you said before that I already responded to. You want to spark me out, I said OK come and try then. I won't be responding to you on your Email as you are the last person I would give my Email address to knowing your history of using multiple accounts to send abusive messages but I will arrange to meet you over this platform. Now it would be stupid to give my address out on here so lets just meet on Saturday before I go to work (do you know what job I do BTW, another reason why I'm still laughing at your threats) in Mansfield, lets say at Titchfield park you should be able to find it.
As for your driving license, that doesn't prove anything apart from that you may have gone the whole hog and changed your name via deed poll as you don't have to record that data. So I suggest you bring your birth certificate as well.
What you don't seem to get is that you started this making false accusations and then threatening people. All I'm doing is calling you out. No doubt you will bring some back up with you from your EDL buddies. Maybe it will be Arry or Leighton, he could bring some of his Chelsea headhunter mates with him if he wants like BNP members Dennis Raines and Darren Squires. Hes a funny one, someone of mixed race who hangs out with BNP members but then says the BNP are evil but seems willing to work with them against his common enemy, Muslims, like when he organised to try and attack a load of MDL members at Kings Cross when they were returning from a demo while he was leader of the EDL West London Division or when he and the rest of the Chelsea EDL division took over one of the MDL groups. But anyway I digress. So a quick word about you're continuing accusations. I haven't told anyone to not talk to you nor have I doubted your heritage. I have warned a couple of people about your history when they were trying to say that Niceones is a good idea and If you had any understanding of English I simply sad you were not a gypsy to wind you up after you already accused me of saying it when I didn't. You are fixated with me Charlie. Its really not healthy. Oh and I haven't blocked you on Facebook dummy. So finally lets return to Arry and his participation at Leicester, Its great how Kaplan is trying to lie for you both and say he wasn't there but since Arry hasn't even come out himself and said it, his words fall a bit short. Plus its really obvious when Kaplan is lying, he doesn't write a novel for a change.
You seem to think its you being attacked but its you who goes round starting fights with people and when they disagree with you threatening them. You have the gall to describe yourselves as nice ones! You say you want to unite people against extremists yet you belittle and insult anyone from the left, not just the extreme left but everyone unless they are of course a Muslim, yet you cheer on Geert Wilders. Your friends seem to think the left, for all there faults, are as bad as the far right, I don't see them actually being anything near as bad as the BNP or EDL, and that the EDL were not in the wrong except for the racist infiltrators. The whole concept of the EDL is wrong and trying to recreate a version of it without racists is just as dangerous. They certainly aren't the people to come up with the best ideas at stopping Islamic extremists and hate preachers. Are you unable to actually understand peoples criticisms of you?
So anyway
Saturday at 11am Titchfield Park Mansfield.
Drew Sutton
HONOUR KILLINGS? YOU TUBE OF CRIMES? HERE'S ONE FOR YOU THEN
20.10.2010 11:20
THANK YOU ANON: WHATEVER YOU SEND ME, I KNOW WHAT ISLAM IS, AND WE STILL DON'T NEED THE LIKES OF CHARLIE FLOWERS TO HELP US TO "TACKLE EXTREMISM" OR TO "REFORM" ISLAM.
HERE'S ONE FOR YOUR LOGIC, JUST TO MAKE YOU THINK: (YOUR TACTICS ARE TOTALLY ILLOGICAL)......TRY GOOGLING YOURSELF, IN CASE YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.
Serial Killers:
The FBI gave the standard profile of a serial killer, He is a person with few friends. He became much more religious just before he started murdering people. After reading all the available studies I could find and studying all the articles in the newspapers for over 30 years, I find what is most outstanding is Serial killers were sexually inhibited by their strong religious upbringing.
Nearly all serial killers are very devout men who were raised by members of Pentecostal sects, fundamentalist Catholics or were 'hard-shell' Baptists and Methodists."
Studies after study show serial killers are a product of this environment, not genetics.
You can find much information on serial killers being sexually inhibited and there views on sex and religion at
On TV a woman said she had interviewed more serial killers, just after they were caught, than any other person. She said "when you ask a serial killer questions like "Why did you murder this moral, loving married person with children?" "Didn’t you think of how terrible this would be to her husband, her children, her parents?" Almost all serial killers start quoting one verse after another from the Christian Bible. This shows most serial killers had strong religious upbringing, have been studying the bible for years and were still very Christian religious when they were murdering.
PEACE TO YOU ALL, FROM A MUSLIM WOMAN.
MUSLIM WOMAN AGAIN
HONOUR KILLINGS? YOU TUBE OF CRIMES? HERE'S ONE FOR YOU THEN
20.10.2010 11:27
THANK YOU ANON: WHATEVER YOU SEND ME, I KNOW WHAT ISLAM IS, AND WE STILL DON'T NEED THE LIKES OF CHARLIE FLOWERS TO HELP US TO "TACKLE EXTREMISM" OR TO "REFORM" ISLAM.
HERE'S ONE FOR YOUR LOGIC, JUST TO MAKE YOU THINK: (YOUR TACTICS ARE TOTALLY ILLOGICAL)......TRY GOOGLING YOURSELF, IN CASE YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.
Serial Killers:
The FBI gave the standard profile of a serial killer, He is a person with few friends. He became much more religious just before he started murdering people. After reading all the available studies I could find and studying all the articles in the newspapers for over 30 years, I find what is most outstanding is Serial killers were sexually inhibited by their strong religious upbringing.
Nearly all serial killers are very devout men who were raised by members of Pentecostal sects, fundamentalist Catholics or were 'hard-shell' Baptists and Methodists."
Studies after study show serial killers are a product of this environment, not genetics.
You can find much information on serial killers being sexually inhibited and there views on sex and religion at
On TV a woman said she had interviewed more serial killers, just after they were caught, than any other person. She said "when you ask a serial killer questions like "Why did you murder this moral, loving married person with children?" "Didn’t you think of how terrible this would be to her husband, her children, her parents?" Almost all serial killers start quoting one verse after another from the Christian Bible. This shows most serial killers had strong religious upbringing, have been studying the bible for years and were still very Christian religious when they were murdering.
PEACE TO YOU ALL, FROM A MUSLIM WOMAN.
MUSLIM WOMAN AGAIN
More football/EDL connections
20.10.2010 12:26
Niceones are a just a group of thugs. They don't actually have any Muslim members.
Lloyd
To "Drew Sutton"
20.10.2010 19:31
BTW- (and this is hopefully not aimed at Drew) you people are getting worse in doubting Leighton's heritage too. I count him as a friend and he's definitely half-Chinese.
In fact, I have an idea- since so many Indymedia people have pissed off so many Nice Ones people: why don't we ALL have a summit?
Charlie
e-mail:
fightingcocks@live.co.uk
Nice ones do have Muslim members and women members
20.10.2010 21:41
Dan is obsessed with Charlie and is acting like a stalker.
@ "Muslim Woman" you have OCD? You write everything twice. You need to get out more. No need to SHOUT either.
All of you : Nice Ones UK is not the EDL.
anon
Nice Ones UK do have Muslim members and women members
20.10.2010 22:02
@ "Muslim Woman" what's all the shouting ABOUT?! You got OCD by the way too? Seeing as write everything twice...you need to get out more.
anon
dear 'anon'. what on earth are you on about?
21.10.2010 15:04
also if you have some kind of problem with me that you have to make up strange things about me on here, anonymously, then you are clearly a coward.
please come and explain yourself to me and be brave enough to tell me who you are, or kindly shut your mouth.
peace
Dan
e-mail:
dong_haichuan@hotmail.com
@ ANON @ Charlie @ Drew
21.10.2010 15:19
I like your name. Anyhoo, yes, I will get off this Indymedia...now I finished making my point, twice, just to make sure. OCD is going back in my closet...
@ Charlie, we all know who you are now, well, at least we will when you get us that driving license!
@Anon, I will keep my voice quiet for now...just to keep you happy. :)
Back to the real world now anon, and to my very full and complete life!
@ Drew, I reckon that last Charlie message was a white flag...or some sort of dialogue flag...coz it sounded a bit lame. Hope you both manage to sort this out without violence.
Peace to all.
REAL MUSLIM WOMAN.
REAL MUSLIM WOMAN
Anyone seen the film Brick Lane where the cuddly brown man says...
25.10.2010 17:29
Nice Ones UK isn't the EDL. People like Dan and Drew have taken it upon themselves to badmouth Charlie and Arry and to message women warning them that "Charlie and Arry are dangerous." in various words. Why do you have a vendetta against Arry and Charlie and why are you targeting all the females connected to Nice Ones UK?
anon
@ anon
25.10.2010 17:47
i dont have to hide behind anonymity like some people, as i am not here to smear others names like a coward. ok -
'People like Dan and Drew have taken it upon themselves to badmouth Charlie and Arry' - actually i have not taken it upon myself to do anything like this. I don't know anything about Arry. Yes, i sent a mail warning 2 people about Charlie, after he banned me from the groups from asking too many questions about his motives. And also he began making things up about me (not the other way around , as you claim) calling me a chauvinist and claiming i had tried to hit on girls in the group.
This is no vendetta, this is simply looking out for people. And if you consider the many blogs about him, the blatant links to EDL, being unrepentant about supporting Geert Wilders right of free speech, while planning to demonstate against that dodgy Haitham Haddad guy, plus a few stories i have heard elsewhere, there is a LOT to be worried about!
'why are you targeting all the females connected to Nice Ones UK?' - sounds like you are trying to make things up about me again. Seems to be your only line of defense these days, which only exposes you even more.
Peace
ps- like i said, you wanna chat, contact me yourself instead of posting anonymous rantings
anon and on and on....
Thick as pig-shit
25.10.2010 19:13
And since when, Charlie, has showing anyone your DRIVING LICENSE ever ever proved anything about your ancestry?!
Statements like that are sooooooooooooooo stupid they're almost funny.
Pay a reputable university genetics lab to analyse your mitochondrial / matrilinear DNA, and then we're talking, but continue making dumb quips instead of explaining your views on the violently Fascist statements of your friends Guramit Singh and Bill Baker, and you continue to make yourself look like a total plank
Dr Who
How to prove you're a typical EDL supporter
25.10.2010 19:31
Yawn
Charlies only line of defence - smear
31.10.2010 16:29
Anyone with an ounce of sense can see through such a pathetic smokescreen.
ma' salaama
me
Nice Ones UK thug Jailed
21.04.2011 06:36
Charlie Flowers "Joel left the EDL a while back, right?"
Iain Westland "been a bit of debate over that, but from what I saw there was some serious distancing"
Charlie Flowers "Joel is a friend of mine in real life, and I will always stand by him"
Heartwarming... innit?!
Salman Rushdie
Nice Ones UK thug Jailed
21.04.2011 17:14
Charlie Flowers "Joel left the EDL a while back, right?"
Iain Westland "been a bit of debate over that, but from what I saw there was some serious distancing"
Charlie Flowers "Joel is a friend of mine in real life, and I will always stand by him"
Heartwarming... innit?!
River Amazon
Charlie Flowers still a twat
25.06.2011 14:09
Have photos
ha ha ha
03.09.2011 13:08
NOUK was always a means for those who stood with the EDL against the likes of MAC but found the increasing islamophobia intolerable. People still hate MAC et al, and we provided a place to object to them yet allow the promotion of Islam.
People spend so long looking for an enemy that they fail to get anywhere... Without an exit clause people will stay. Unsurprisingly I am now coming across people who have been called Nazi so often they are turning toward it, while the chests are being beaten to the rhythm of 'who's streets, our street's' the far right are becoming more entrenched, Your tactics are failing and those who follow a different path are labelled as pariahs for their previous involvement...
Seems some are not interested in actually stopping islamophobia, just in having somebody to scrap with.
I wish you well, even if you do not reciprocate that
iain westland
iain westland
Hmm
30.11.2011 20:21
Some examples : All Jews are guilty for palestines actions.
Non muslims should move out of the area then (speaking of an area in the uk)
and many more, very biased pandering site seems to be aimed at slandering people who dont buy the whole "our way or die" phillosophy of many other pro muslim groups.
leon
e-mail:
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