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Animal Protection Party shops thrive in spite of police clampdown on SHAC stalls

Vegan Anarchist | 22.02.2010 05:39 | SOCPA | Animal Liberation | Bio-technology | Repression | South Coast | World

The Animal Protection Party have opened another shop, which they say have "gone from strenght to strength" in spite of the massive police clampdown on fundraising stalls for AR groups like SHAC. After the police raids on SHAC they claimed that SHAC had raised £1 million through street stalls & closed down the SHAC [which they said were ALF] stalls. The APP shops however stay open.

The Animal Protection Party have opened another shop in Belverdere Kent not far from their other shop in Bexleyheath despite the huge police crackdown on fundraising for groups like SHAC. Other shops that the APP had were closed down by councils who they say "suddenly realised what they were about" and had the landlords evict them but the APP have managed to keep hold of the newest one in Kent.
More shops coming soon despite the police crackdown!

Fuck NETCU!

SHAC is a legal organisation campaigning to close the hellhole that is HLS. HLS are lawbreakers and perverts. Close HLS! More SHAC stalls please....

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Thanks for the heads up...

22.02.2010 08:17

we will look into it.

NETCU

How are these even comparable? Stalls are legal, they still are...

22.02.2010 08:36

A shop is quite a different story to a street stall... the two seem barely comparable.

Stalls are entirely legal, as long as you are not asking people for their money by shaking a tin at them. The main reason they have stopped these days is because people are too cowardly to do them and too cowardly to stand up to the cops. In effect, it is our own fear of police that has shut down stalls, not the police themselves.

tofu

You need a licence from the council

22.02.2010 08:43

To do a stall and collect money you need to be licensed – the licence comes from the local authority. If you do a few NETCU complain to the LA and tell them that SHAC is the ALF and they revoke you licence.
If you do a stall without a licence then the pigs arrest you for having an unlicensed stall - the only way is NOT to collect money.

Licence man

troll post

22.02.2010 09:56

This smells like one of SHACwatch's troll posts - I think it should be removed.

This is total bullshit for example and wouldn't be something a "vegan anarchist" would say anyway: 'Other shops that the APP had were closed down by councils who they say "suddenly realised what they were about" and had the landlords evict them'

The purpose is to link APP with SHAC in people's minds, when in fact they are totally different groups with totally different aims and objectives.

What is Indymedia going to do about the constant misuse of itself by pro animal abuse trolls?

vegan

Stalls + cops

22.02.2010 11:34

It is better to get a license, but that is only necessary for street collections. If you stand on the street with your leaflet stall, and people want to give you money, but you do not ask, this is not an offence!

I have once done an animal rights street stall which was shut down, while across the road an anti-war stall was doing exactly the same (not asking for money, but accepting donations if people wanted to give them) -- funnily enough they were left well alone! It is mainly something against AR activism rather than illegality of accepting donations, largely because it is not illegal.

And yes, this article does seem to stink a bit of a deliberate attempt to 'smear' APP's new line of shops, I would expect it has indeed been posted by cops.

Donut

APP shops all still open. This article is untrue

22.02.2010 14:58

The APP have not had any shops closed, all shops remain open. There are currently 3 shops open and soon to be a 4th

Simon

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The Animal Protection Party have had shops closed Simon...

22.02.2010 17:59

The shops were closed Simon, It's on your APP blog mate. The APP are rotten to the core and you're right that they are nothing to do with SHAC. They are a gang of nutcases run by NETCU. Everything that has gone wrong with AR has happened since they arrived. How can anyone say that to link the APP and SHAC is smearing the Animal Protection Party is off their rocker, it's SHAC that would be smeared by the link.

Since joining the APP Keith Mann has gone mad, going on about aliens, 12 foot lizards and David Icke, making stuff about Rolanda and accusing her of sabotaging his website when she didn't. They are not credible in any way. The APP is a corrupt money spinner and full of nutters. Go on to their facebooks and read all the conspiracy theory crap.

Whoever the SHACwatch blogger is accuses everyone else in AR of being grasses...they've said it about Western Animal Rights Network, Lyn Sawyer etc..proably as a smoke and mirrors exercise to hide that it's them, [they have said that WARN grass to Bristol CID and that Lyn Swayer passes information around]. They claim that everyone that is against vivisection is "mental" or a "loon" [it's quite common for mentally ill people to accuse everybody around them or everyone else of being "mad"]. It is likely that the people behind it [there's more than one] have mental health problems.
They were on the Bradford demo and are more than likely in the photos. They are travelling around the country, going on demos, getting photos, listening to speeches and conversations and then putting it on SHACwatch. They will be caught and someone should make the efffort to catch them sooner rather than later.

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APP animal abusers

22.02.2010 18:17

scum

anon

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Damn right the APP & SHAC are different.The APP are supported by NETCU.

22.02.2010 18:53

Damn right that the APP and SHAC have totally different aims and objectives, you can say that again. The APP are run by or supported by NETCU, SHAC are not.

Before you say "I know who this is" blah blah blah bloody blah, this isn't anyone who has said anything or written a word about the APP or anyone in the APP before or who has been accused of doing so. I'm not the only person or the first to notice that there is something not right about the APP and I won't be the last. It is strange when you think about it that the police have targeted SHAC stalls [which they have on many occasions] and not the APP stalls or shops. As for accusing the other poster of being a "SHACwatcher" or "animal abusing troll" for defending SHAC, that's just plain daft. The APP stink to high heaven. Hedge a bet that your SHACwatchers are among the APP.

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How can you say that someone who supports SHAC is a SHACwatch troll?

22.02.2010 19:01

As for what is Indy going to do to keep pro SHAC but anti APP "trolls" off of here...interesting.

anon

Read the blog. The shops were closed Simon. One that shut was next to McDonalds.

22.02.2010 19:14

For whatever reason those shops were closed...one because it was next to MacDonalds.

ara

I don't think defending shac amounts to "shacwatch"!

22.02.2010 20:52

What an absurd thing to say! That's just silly and people should be able to democratically say what is on their / our minds about the Animal Protection Party without being called SHACwatch. The person above supports SHAC and say so. They are not SHACwatch.

With SHAC NETCU have relentlessly persecuted a legal campaign while the police have looked the other way when hunt sabs have been beaten up and other AR people threatened.

I support SHAC. I agree with the above person that the police have eroded SHAC's civil liberties and I agree that it is a bit weird that the APP are left alone by the police especially after all the things that have been going on. I am against what has been happening with people from APP haranguing other AR people on Indymedia.

I am worried that the police have harassed Indymedia into not letting SHAC and Stop Sequani post on Indymedia any more. Indymedia is great and are having their civil liberties harassed by NETCU.

I support most AR groups but have reservations about the Animal Protection Party. Sorry.

shac supporter

There are only two shops and yes one was closed next to McDonalds.

22.02.2010 21:31

There are two shops. Both are in Kent. They [APP] have said that McDonalds was next to the one that got closed. I think it's fair that someone can support SHAC but not the Animal Protection Party without being called trolls. The two groups are nowhere near the same. We can't ask Indymedia to nanny all our thoughts, people can say what they want about the APP if they want. Saying that people can't say what they want is repression. If people don't like the APP that is up to them.

Did McDonalds have the other shop closed? Close McDonalds then. I hate McDonalds, they exlpoit Hispanic workers, destroy rainforests and sell rubbish. Close them, they stink.

simmy

To Donut. Are you smearing the anti war movement?

22.02.2010 21:38

Are you smearing the anti war movement? What are you trying to say about them? If they are "being left alone"?...what do you mean?

simmy

Animal Protection Party have said that they have all our AR phones tapped.

22.02.2010 22:48

The Animal Protection Party have been getting at people across AR in private and in public. They have been telling people that they have all our phones tapped! Somewhere along the line something has gone very awry with the APP.

Not Bloody NETCU

@ simmy

22.02.2010 23:05

she/he probably meant it wasn't disarm dsei or smash edo just the usual bunch of cop loving brownose fucks that run the now defunct (well always defunct) stwc (socialists together with christians)

shimmy

Come on, this is clear trolling

23.02.2010 00:22

APP have nothing to do with SHAC, so why mention them in the same article unless the objective is guilt by association? This article just doesn't make sense, it is entirely non-news, and the intent is obviously to shit-stir.

anon

re: I don't think defending shac amounts to "shacwatch"!

23.02.2010 00:33

Deliberately trying to obscure the point, which is further evidence of trolling.

I think what both SHAC and APP do are great, but they are totally different things. SHAC got harassed because of direct action carried out by unknown people towards the aims of the campaign.

APP are just a political party trying to put pressure on pro-animal abuse MPs in marginal seats. They are a completely different style of campaign to SHAC and have a totally different objective. So it's hardly surprising they don't get so much police harassment.

It's a common trolling tactic to try to divide and rule by insinuating arguments that don't really exist.

The poster isn't "defending SHAC", they are just stirring up trouble.

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their reaction

23.02.2010 01:44

Shacwatch were a pathetic attempt in response to the anti-police website netcu watch  http://netcu.wordpress.com

Such are the reactions of our adversaries, shacwatch was kind of like redwatch if you will, photo's, locations, supposed current private activities of AR protesters watched carefully and lapped up by redwatch and other scum.

undergrowth

The APP go on SHAC demos. Starting a split group is divide and rule.

23.02.2010 03:51

Your comments that someone is trying to bracket the APP and SHAC together is ridiculous. The APP lot are regularly on SHAC demos so they are associating with SHAC. I do not support the APP for reasons including public attacks and other very childish posts from APP on Indymedia and in other places. You claim that to say that the APP are not SHAC and are therefore divided from them but you then say that they are nothing to do with each other's work and to bracket them together or to favour one and not the other is to divide and rule. I don't run anything or rule anything so who am I trying to divide and rule over? What is happeneing in real life with the APP is serious and goes way beyond arguments over troll posts. Is Indymedia going to become undemocratic where people cannot criticise the APP? It's bad enough that SHAC and Stop Sequani have been banned but now we cannot defend Animals Count without being accused of shit stirring. The APP lie about Animals Count, one of them lied about Rolanda when she did nothing wrong and had not done what she was accused of. If Indy ban any criticism about the APP the we are talking about censorship and repression. Perhaps there should be a new independent media forum in that case where SHAC and Stop Sequani can post and where we can say what many of us think and say in private[ish] about the APP.
The point that the original post was making [it's not mine] was that it smells fishy that the APP do get left alone when SHAC are repressed by NETCU. The APP go on SHAC demos like I have pointed out...SHAC were harrassed by the police because of the actions of their supporters ie the people who go on demos which does therefore include many of the APP.
The APP include Keith Mann who has been jailed for setting fire to things and supporters of the APP have said [on Indymedia] that they support the APP because they believe the APP to support extremism...but SHAC get jailed and the APP get left alone. That was the point made.
I don't think that the APP can just ask that anything negative about them is removed or that it is trolling, maybe they should realise that they are the ones dividing and ruling. Why start a split group to compete with Animals Count? Now THAT is divide and rule.

anon

Do the APP not support SHAC? What do the APP think of SHAC?

23.02.2010 04:14

Why start the split group against AC? That's divide and rule.

It's madness to say that the APP have no associations with SHAC, nearly all the APP have been on and still go on SHAC demos. The APP go on the SHAC and Bradford demos so they are associating with SHAC. To say that they are not is complete bullshit. Do the APP not support SHAC? What do the APP think of SHAC? Are they against SHAC?
It is very true that they have different way of doing things that means that one gets harrassed by the police and the other doesn't but quite what that is can be interpreted however you want.
If the APP want to be taken seriously as a political party then they have to be able to take what other political parties take and that is criticism in the same way that people slag off Gordon Brown. I think too that they should have just let Animals Count get on with the political stuff and please can the APP... STOP saying that Animals Count adopted their politics when they did not in any way shape or form. It's utter crap to say that about Animals Count.
Why are the APP putting themselves in the firing line if they can't take any criticism?
As for being an "animal abuser" I'm a vegan. I support AC, I back SHAC, I send money to both. The APP are not what I believe in and that's my democratic right and I have a democratic right to say what I think without being called names or being accused of being someone that I am not or being called a blooming troll. To say that we can't say anything against the APP amounts to fascism.

anon

last two anons seems like subtle trolls to me

23.02.2010 12:06

Read what they say carefully, it just isn't something an animal rights activist would say. especially in public.

I'm convinced it is a troll. Their method is to pretend to be a genuine activist but then try to create internal dissent and link people or groups to illegal activities. Could it be that these posts mysteriously turn up in future court cases or media reports to "prove" groups are linked to direct action?

I know genuine people have differences of opinion over direct action, political campaigning, etc. But most are content to disagree in private and let the other groups get on with it.

There is nothing newsworthy about this post at all, it is entirely negative, inaccurate, uses personal details, and is detrimental to the AR movement. Indymedia is being used here as an unwitting stooge because of its lack of ability to validate posters as genuine. It's becoming a troll's wet dream and is in danger of benefiting our opponents more that the communities it is supposed to serve.

There is no way this is just a genuine activist who wants to "express their opinion" as it claims to be. There has been a pattern of similar posts recently, and obviously there is a hidden agenda.

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our world is dying

23.02.2010 19:40

we want your earth women to repopulate our world.
await our next message

zeltaron

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The APP are a private investigation team out to get AR. They are not AR.

23.02.2010 19:56

We cannot just let them "get on with it" and simply "disagree in private". The APP are making money out of what they are doing.

The APP are giving everyone in AR a bad name and NETCU probably find this hilarious. All this embarrassing stupidity with David Icke and the aliens.

Threats of violence from the APP have been made online in public. Would real AR people do that? The APP do.

Threats have been made and carried out against AR people in private. Some of this has been extremely nasty. Would real AR people do this? The APP do.

The APP are not a healthy group and are causing a lot of trouble. Would real AR people do what the APP have been doing? No they would not.

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Do not answer Zelteron he is an alien.

23.02.2010 20:19

Zelteron is an alien so ignore him.

Earth Woman

APP and Shacwatch

23.02.2010 21:59

Other than Keith Mann none of the APP people have ever been attacked on Shacwatch although they are regulars on the Shac and Bradford demos. This is skewed as Keith doesn't go on many Shac demos but the APP go to most of them. It shows how stupid shacwatch are.

zelterona

The APP. Who are they and where did they come from?

23.02.2010 22:02

Who are they and where did they come from?

Interesting argument.

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Tracey Rawlings....

23.02.2010 22:23

Does Tracey Rawlings have anything to do with any picture frame businesses?

Tracey Rawlings

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Miranda James and Tracey Rawlings not on shacwatch but go to shac demos.

23.02.2010 22:34

Is it that there are no links to shac? The APP do not go to shac demos or so they say. This is a big fat fib as they do go to shac demos but just don't get put on shacwatch.

How come they never get onto shacwatch? No links to shac?

To answer : Who are the APP? Keith Mann is The President.

24.02.2010 00:29

On their facebook they describe Keith Mann as "The President". What is he President of? The APP or AR as a whole? They [the APP] have said he will be standing as an MP in the past. Calling himself The President makes him look like an egomaniac. Animal Rights is supposed to be non hierarchical and calling yourself The President suggests otherwise. A lot of people are really p***** off about all the lying, name calling and harassment of people that has gone on by the APP.
The APP members have said that "SHAC is over" and that a "new group will take over as predicted". Who do they mean? The APP? Whatever this means I don't remember voting for The President.

In their blurbs on Indymedia [and in their blogs] it comes over as all about them and not so much about the animals which kind of sums things up.

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APP are anti shac and have accused WARN of "talking to Bristol CID".

24.02.2010 02:07

The APP members have voiced anti-shac views and have repeated them on Indymedia with the comments that "trolls" are "trying to link SHAC and the APP". This idiot has then gone on to say that "the troll" is trying to divide and rule.
It is the APP who are trying to divide people. They have gossiped about everyone and made unsavoury accusations about a lot of people. They have accused WARN of "talking to Bristol CID". How the fuck would they know that unless they have been talking to Bristol CID themselves?

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how does Medawar [shacwatch] know The Real Medawar [Miranda] is from Essesx?

24.02.2010 02:21

How does Medawar [shacwatch] know that the person who writes on indymedia as The Real Medawar [Miranda] is from Essex? Are you lot in contact or something?

none of these

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The APP are focusing on Cancer Research UK

24.02.2010 03:49

Check out the myspace with SPEAK Political posters in the pics section.

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The APP are focusing on Cancer Research UK

24.02.2010 03:50

Check out the myspace with SPEAK Political posters in the pics section.

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The APP are focusing on Cancer Research UK

24.02.2010 03:50

Check out the myspace with SPEAK Political posters in the pics section.

ARA
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Troll alert! Can't these posts be removed from Indymedia?

24.02.2010 10:51

All these APP posts (except maybe the original one) are obvious trolls and the comments are full of trolls too. I see a few of the trolling comments have been hidden, but this original article is clearly a troll too.

I'm not involved with APP nor am I a big fan of political campaigning, but I know some of the people involved with it, they are dedicated activists and they seem to be doing a great job, so I let them get on with it.

APP have clearly made some enemies in high places to warrant all this shit-stirring and trolling. Why are they so scared of them, I wonder?

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Tel us all.

24.02.2010 12:50

"APP have clearly made some enemies in high places to warrant all this shit-stirring and trolling. Why are they so scared of them, I wonder?"

How do you expect the public to take a political party seriously when it is made up of arsonists and drug addicts?

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IM needs to be monitored

24.02.2010 18:28

before any posts go up. If that can't be done, I personally think it should be taken down. The saddo opposition obviously make frequent visits to IM with the aim of causing trouble. Most of us know this and can see the posts for what they are but why give them the satisfaction? IM needs to sort this out. I know we laugh at this kind of thing but IM is a high traffic site and needs to be a bit more professional.

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A "troll" that supports SHAC, AC, SPEAK, and Stop Sequani? Will IM censor us?

24.02.2010 19:37

Yeah right....

Does a pro CR-UK Walter Mitty write shacwatch? Why would IM want to censor posts from people that support all AR groups but who are suspicious of APP? What is all this CR-UK stuff about? Why does Adrian Radford pose in front of CR-UK shops and promotional material? Why do the APP concentrate on CR-UK on their blog? Why concentrate on CR-UK on a charity watch blog that has stuff about SPEAK Political [APP] on it? What is going on with all this and CR-UK? Are the APP working for CR-UK? Was / is Adrian Radford working for CR-UK?

We are not from CR-UK.

We are pro AR. We support SHAC, Animals Count, SPEAK, Stop Sequani etc. The APP have lied about Rolanda where everyone could read it, the APP have lied about Animals Count, they have lied about other AR activists, they have raided people's homes and belongings, they have issued threats about AR people.

Do the APP have something going on with CR-UK... does Adrian Radford?

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shacwatch have said that the people against APP are "deranged nutters"

24.02.2010 19:46

Work it out.

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IM isn't here to censor AR or act for Big Pharma. & Why we fear the APP.

24.02.2010 22:46

IM is not here to censor AR free speech and genuine concerns or to act on the behalf of Big Pharma.

We are scared of the APP because they are violent, they have gone through people's things, they have lied about innocent people, they have threatened people on the internet and in public including on Indymedia, they are spreading idiotic conspiracy theories about aliens, they have not explained the CR-UK angle on their website other than a shacwatchesque "this is pretend gibberish rant from a pretend animal rights activist", they have not explained the charitywatch CR-UK myspace that has clear references to SPEAK Political [who are now the APP renamed] but say "We are nothing to do with the APP" despite the SPEAK Political posters in the pics section. This amounts to lies and duplicity from them.

What are all the references to CR-UK about and why are the APP denying the CR-UK focus on their website when it is clearly there? Why is Adrian "Walter Mitty" Radford posing next to CR-UK shops etc? His book is worth nothing more than toilet paper.

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You want IM taken down?

24.02.2010 22:57

Now we've heard everything. Utterly.

AR

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To "troll alert"

25.02.2010 01:53

Actually you're wrong mate. We think that the APP are not real animal rights people at all but are a bogus group. There is something very disturbing about most of them, I don't trust them and never have.

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"Doing a great job"

25.02.2010 02:34

Raiding activists homes.
Going through people's belongings.
Threatening activists.
Smearing other activists and activist groups.
Disrupting campaigns.
Forming a rival split group in direct competition with Animals Count and then lying about them.
Attacking Cancer Research UK and only Cancer Research UK.
The myspace against CR-UK.
Physically attacking other activists.
Having other activists physically attacked by criminal associates.
Sending threats over the internet.
Mocking other activists.
Sending pics of babies to a childless female activist who had suffered the loss of a pregnancy.
Using other groups names.
Writing very silly blogs.

Yeah a fantastic job. Dedictaed ...yes but not FOR AR.

targeted

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camden sanity brigade / shacwatch / northern tracey

25.02.2010 04:37

Check them all out at Frametastic. Scum...lowlife scum!

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Tracey Rawlings is a shacwatcher aren't you...?

25.02.2010 05:32

Well own up then... ; )

Miranda is too......

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No the shops are open!!

25.02.2010 18:17

I am very close to APP and they have this week opened a 4th shop. NO SHOPS HAVE BEEN CLOSED. I have visited them all this week. All shops are doing well!! There is no problem with any of them. In fact they are an amazing success. Stop spreading lies!

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Are you saying that no shops were ver closed? The one next to McDonalds was.

26.02.2010 15:13

Simon get your facts right the shop next to McDonalds did close.

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FACT - The shop never closed!

26.02.2010 15:49

Yes Mr Anon I am saying that the shop never closed and it is you that needs to get your facts right. I know it is fact that all shops did not close. In fact while you spread rumors about a shop closing two new shops opened!!

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Just spoken with APP

26.02.2010 16:16

The APP are doing very well despite accusations made here. I have just spoken with them and never did any shops close - I have no idea where this came from but be assured it is a prank.

The funniest thing is whoever is posting this stuff is just giving them more publicity, everyone is talking about APP now and it doesn't take long for people to figure out this is all lies and then they offer their support to APP. So, the message from the APP to whoever is spreading malicious lies is 'Keep it coming'

Kelly

APP and lies. Keith's aattck on Rolanda for a start....he lied about her. Why?

26.02.2010 17:06

Why did he do that? He claimed that she sabotaged his website when she didn't. He lied. The APP have told a whole bunch of lies about people. The charitywatch myspace is run by them, it's got their pictures within it but they are saying that they didn't create it when they did. They have lied about Animals Count. Animals Count did not adopt their policies as they have claimed. The people that are lying are the APP.

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To Kelly

26.02.2010 17:47

Kelly do you think that it's OK for Keith to lie about Rolanda? This was done in a despicable underhand way that was never meant to become public but it did. What else or who else to the APP stitch up and lie about? It's wrong for people to lie about someone the way Keith lied about her and it's not going to go away.
Telling people that these rows should be done privately or behind closed doors is just a way of silencing people who are lied about and harassed. Rolanda never sabotaged any website.
The APP claimed on their own blog that they lost a shop in Welling because it was next to McDonalds. They have also claimed that somone else has made a fake APP myspace blog so maybe that's where it came from.

Why lie about Animals Count? The APP have lied about Animals Count.

Is no one going to stand up for Rolanda or Animals Count? They've done nothing wrong and have been smeared and lied about. To say that Animals Count have adopted APP policies is to mislead people about Animals Count. This isn't good.

An alarming precedent is being set that people are being stitched up, lied about and smeared. People who stand up for themselves or catch these people out are being labelled as "dangerous fantasists". The dangerous fantasists are the people in AR who spread crap about innocent people, fight over money and believe in aliens.

anon

Questions : Why CR-UK? What are the beliefs exactly with the aliens?

26.02.2010 20:15

If you look at all of it put together, Keith with his blogs about David Icke and the aliens stuff, the Animal Protection Party and their particular hatred for Cancer Research UK, the charitywatch myspace with all the references to Cancer Research UK and an article about aliens and terrorism from CNN [the whole article isn't printed but rather it alludes to it in an excerpt], the Camden Sanity Brigade [also APP] and their articles about Cancer Research UK and aliens.
What are they trying to say, that it's the aliens that are behind Cancer Research UK? Are aliens the ones causing cancer? I'm not taking the piss... these are serious questions that need to be answered as the APP have quite a thing about both and I want to know if there's a connection for them or are the two things seperate?
Why do they have two obsessions going on...aliens and Cancer Research UK? Aside from the other accusations of violence [which I believe it to be true], somone needs to ask just what is all this alien / David Icke stuff about and why Cancer Research in particular? It has to be said too that the APP are trying to dissociate from SHAC...why? Is this a split?
The APP are quick to dissociate from SHAC and their form of direct action but have said that they don't condemn [or condone to be fair] the sending of parcel bombs [which wasn't an AR person and which they have since amended in private though not on their blog to be fair], so what sort of direct action do you support then?
Why Cancer Research UK in particular?
What have aliens got to do with AR?
Is there a connection between aliens, AR and Cancer Research UK? If so what is it?

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The Medical Research Council - corrupt, corrupt, corrupt!!!

27.02.2010 19:43

Right then...lets get the truth out now folks. SHACWATCH is written by someone from or connected in some way to the Medical Research Council. Someone from the Animal Protection Party knows who is SHACWATCH and writes for SHACWATCH. So who are the APP?

The Medical Research council also seem to have it in for Cancer Research UK. CR-UK have been got at...not just by people from AR but SOMEONE ELSE who wants them gone. They are selling their buildings and are being absorbed into other projects. The MRC want to take over cancer research....hhmmm.

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Great Portland Street Hospital. Diana's wedding dress and so on.

28.02.2010 02:46

Frametastic is run by Tracey Rawlings. She has written "Good Luck" to herself on the website in her own name.

The SPEAK Political and APP links are on there along with the charitywatch myspace that she claimed she didn't do.

She has said on the website that she works for Great Portland Street Hospital, County Hall and worked with Princess Diana to frame her wedding dress. If the Diana thing is true you would have been vetted by MI5. What do they think of your APP work? County Hall? Wow...What do the hospital think of your views on Cancer Research UK? Curiouser and curiouser.

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How far is this spreading? How many more?

28.02.2010 19:41

How far is this spreading? How many more people are being drawn into this? It's no secret that a small number of Camden High Street drug dealers became involved in the Camden Sanity Brigade [APP] fiasco. One has since been sectioned, fears for the life of his dog who has been rehomed as result, has had his home wrecked and no longer trusts anyone after becoming convinced that someone had bugged his flat after becoming involved with the Camden Sanity Brigade [APP] and an assocaited "End Of The World Group" who believe that Annunaki aliens are behind the end of the world, must be stopped and violently if necessary. They believe too that the police are part of this alien plot. Another Camden High ?Street drug dealer who became involved with the Camden Sanity Brigade [APP} has been beaten up and ostracised by people on the streets who saw that something very wrong was going on. He was forced to move out of his home into another flat by his neighbours and is now a paranoid wreck who was convinced that "The Secret Police" were out to get him and everyone else and that there was an alien conspiracy out to "get everyone". A third became just as paranoid, going on about aliens etc and has since been ASBOd along with others out of Camden after becoming involved with the Camden Sanity Brigade [APP]. All of these men were previously normal people who were not like this before. They had mostly become part of an "End Of The World" group which has remarkably similar views to the Camden Sanity Brigade and the APP and are associated with them and have cross over members.
As for AR how is this helping the animals? It isn't and given that some of these people are vehemntly anti SHAC and pro vivisection it is clear that AR is not their main objective but there are other people behind what is becoming a cult that needs stopping before any more lives are ruined.
People who are getting involved with this are sending and are being sent frightening letters, emails, myspace adds, receiving odd telephone calls etc. Some are being accused of being aliens and hounded. Sexual violence is being used against people by cult members including rape and even gangrape.
More than one person has had a full mental breakdown after becoming involved. People have in fact been sectioned after becoming convinced that people had been in their homes etc While these people might have been driven mad it's become apparent that this is following a pattern with the APP / Camden Sanity Brigade / End Of The World Group and elsewhere in groups or incidents that have not been made public but are connected with them.

This is an AR issue as much as it is part of something else. On a London Animal Rights demo outside Harrods a protestor pursued a member of the public saying that the person was an alien. For along time now it has been evident that there is something not right going on with AR. SHAC has been infiltrated to the point where information [much of it spot on but not all] from all over AR is appearing on SHACWATCH. Lots of people are in prison and nothing much is being done to find out who SHACWATCH are or to stop them. Most of the old crowd have either walked away or been pushed out and SHACWATCH continues and the police are getting hold of information about everybody.
Rolanda was lied about in the most underhand and despicable way. If it had not been made public that she was lied about then a number of people would have belived that she was an infiltrator and a saboteur when she was not. She was being accused of things which could have led to her being targeted and her safety was therefore threatened and this is obviously dangerous for anybody in AR.
People who won't do as they are told, who stand up to these people or speak out are being lied about, accused of things they haven't done, accused of being mental and in need of help, are harassed, victimised and pushed out of AR.
Something needs to be done as this is dangerous and is ruining people's lives. Some people believe that "MI5 are behind it" as this has happened before with "extremist" and extremist groups. Whover is behind it or however it has happned it has to be stopped. While this is going on nothing is being achieved for the animals. People, especially vulnerable people such as teenagers are at risk. There is alot of money involved too which makes this more dangerous than just a stranger group of mentally ill people or people who share strange views. There has been violence including sexual violence carried out on behalf of and by this cult and they have to be stopped.
Rolanda is innocent and did nothing wrong and there are others just like her who have been targeted too. It has to stop. While of course there will be those who are furious that this is being made public and that it "looks bad for AR", or that people are "causing trouble" well the cult is bad for AR, the trouble is already there in the form an alien cult and it is far too serious to be ignored or permitted to continue.

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Annunaki Aliens and The Watchers etc and the links to AR.

01.03.2010 01:25

Google search the Annunaki Aliens and The Watchers together....there's your answer to shacwatch. All this stuff about "shac lies" is from The Watchers and unfortunately it does in fact look like that someopne involved with this alien thing could be behind shacwatch as "The Watchers". Whoever is wrting the shacwatch blog has menatl health problems as have most of the people involved with these cultists. It's time to get them out of AR....they have got into AR and need to be got out again. They have done so much damgage and the thing is while there might be some in NETCU who think" hey let em get on with it" you'll be wrong as they still see themselves as AR and will attack people they see as animal abusers not because they are animal abusers but because they "are aliens".

It looks like they see Cancer Research UK as Annunaki Aliens and that's why they will go for them which is madness. What could be happening is that MI5 are playing a very nasty psychological game...they've done it before. Combat 18 went the same way...they all started going on about aliens, 12 foot lizards etc after being infiltrated by MI5 so have a think about that.

anon

Article about this from independent AR person

02.03.2010 03:22

He asks a very good question....

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Don't panic Mr Mannering

02.03.2010 19:28

It's just Mad Mandy off on one of her rants and giving us all a good laugh. Carry on.

Mandywatch

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the "mandywatch" comments in relation to the APP prove links to shacwatch

03.03.2010 00:21

Whatever has happened with AR...someone must know who the shacwatch alien cultists are...but do they care?

The general public will not support AR any longer which was probably the idea.

Someone knows who is behind all this alien cult / shacwatch stuff and is doing nothing to stop them.

The people who have let this happen, Keith Mann, Brendan McNally, Kerry Duggan and the Animal Protection Party should never be trusted again.

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to shacwatch: Every time you write about Mandy, you prove you're shacwatch

03.03.2010 02:13

Every time you do that shacwatch you give yourself away. Now, why would shacwatch be defending the APP....and telling your APP people to "carry on"?

As for removing the speak political posters from your charity watch blog spot...everyone has already seen it so you are a bit late. Removing them just makes you look like you've got something to hide just that bit more shacwatch / APP.

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can IM remove the person al shacwatch/mandywatch remarks?

03.03.2010 02:28

Can IM sort that out? Thanks.

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Alien cafe

13.04.2010 14:10

There is an alien cafe in Camden Town, London.

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/03/448226.html

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