who's guessing combat combat 18 is a 17 year old posh twat chinless wonder on his way to posh university to study 'politics' who'll one day inherit daddy's new labour business and thinks the working class are either fascist scum (FSACIST SCUM!) or shining examples of proletariat rage and the agents of revolutionary change.

Total clueless prick in other words.

What would 'anti-fascists' do without the BNP and the EDL?

I expect the EDL's march, which would otherwise go unnoticed and trouble free will be brought to prominence by 'anti-fascists' keen to parade their own care and concern for the rest of us gormless and impressionable types.

It never occurs to these selfish, pompous, intolerant and elitist 'anti-fascists' that nobody needs their protection from the marches or opinions of the EDL, the BNP or anyone else.

wait for the party

Depressing isn't it, how football supporters can be used so effectively and be fooled so completely. Is this what they call the nature of the game?

I know we all might want to go to Manchester to spoil this silliness and perhaps we should, just to let them know a brighter mind is here but we should also take them on from an academic point of view too.

Having watched the videos on the links you have given the entire thread of their argument is clearly based on barely disguised rampaging stupidity. Innacurate, out of context, disjointed and about as twisted as its possible to be without screwing yourself into the ground.

To keep their numbers down would it not be an idea to challenge their assumptions. A global caliphate in thirty years is a good one to start with. Then perhaps we could have a go at ST George and his heritage, then maybe tackling the fact they are using their own distorted right-wing propaganda and trying to pass it off as factually reported news. Another one is using statements made by extremists and polemisists and trying to pass THAT off as fact is also good.

Lots of options to help 'level them out'.

This is so sad that these people are wanting to spread hate and intolerance in the name of one religion against another on the streets of Britain, our country may have Christianity as its state religion but how many of us care about Christianity enough to go and abuse people and make the lives intolerable of those who don't share our religion? I feel sorry for those in Manchester having these outsiders coming in from outside and stiring things up, giving fascist salutes and shouting offensive things at British citizens. The EDL are simply Christian extremists and racists it appears to me, how un-British can you get!

-What would 'anti-fascists' do without the BNP and the EDL?

Without the fascists being around they would have nothing to do, obviously seen as their purpose is to protect and advance that great British tradition of anti-fascism. But while these fascists ARE there people will protect themselves like the Asian youths did in Birmingham. Surely any right thinking British person is anti-fascist by nature and upbringing. The film talks about people fighting to keep our country free, but what did we want it free from? Free from fascism! Sadly that fight needs to continue while these fascists peddle their hate and extremism.

- which would otherwise go unnoticed and trouble free

Well we can only go by what they have done already and what we have seen them doing is giving Nazi salutes, shouting "i hate pakis more than you" "Allah allah who the fuck is allah?" and attacking British citizens. Not really the sort of things we would want on our streets (i would guess) and i would call what they are doing as causing trouble for us all. These people have nothing positive to say only hate and to use "Pete"'s word intolerance.

- nobody needs their protection from the marches or opinions of the EDL, the BNP or anyone else.

The entire country need to protect itself from fascism and those that the EDL say they hate ie "pakis" need to protect themselves from their hate mongering. Lets just hope enough people turn out to tell these racist/fascist/christian extremists they do not represent anyone but themselves and that our cities are better off without their hate and violence.

Geoff

I was going to write a reply to Pete to answer his message, especially the the bit about intolerant anti-fascists and the bit in the video about my Christian homeland (remember the pagans? whatever happened to them? Oh yeah, that's right, the middle-eastern Christians - if you wanna take the argument to that level). But the I watched the video and realised he probably had enough on his plate. I think Pete's the guy on the right hand side. I don't normally go for personal abuse, but Pete - you're a wanker.

Christianity evolved into its present form in the west dickhead.
I think the point is we don't want to become another Islamic hellhole. Personally i prefer to see pretty girls wearing skirts in the summer that arn't getting stoned to death, rather than a row of pillar boxes

Jesus was a Jew and st george was an arab and your ancestors fucked with people of all sorts of ethnicities. Now get over it you sad fuck.

See you in Manchester! :)

If the EDL have to resort to the sort of trolling tactics used by 'Pete' to try and dissuade people from opposing them they must be shitting their leiderhosen. Nonetheless I'm sure some of his comments struck a chord with liberals of the 'ignore them and they'll go away' skool. Obviously that won't happen, and we all have to stand up as antifascists and ensure that this band of racist thugs are not allowed to bring their hatred to the streets of Manchester unopposed.

"I expect the EDL's march, which would otherwise go unnoticed and trouble free will be brought to prominence by 'anti-fascists' keen to parade their own care and concern for the rest of us gormless and impressionable types."

Love us or hate us. Just please don't ignore us.

The EDL are here at IM and are trying to raise a campaign. What to do, what to do?

NOTHING. Let them disappear naturally. Let them be smothered by indifference.

Sorry Pete:

Where does the West begin, and the East end?

Is there a line somewhere between Zurich and Krakow or something? Or do you even know where they are?

What a load of crap.

Quote "I think the point is we don't want to become another Islamic hellhole."

If you read beyond the first page of 'the Sun' newspaper ( you can read - yes?) you may have noticed that Muslim countries from Palestine to Pakistan via Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan are being bombed, occupied and threatened by western imperialism.

If this country faced the same threat you would no doubt be pulling on the khaki to defend the fatherland and saint george but you just don't get it do you little man?

That's why you're a pathetic little racist.

/ You're welcome

Where does the West begin, and the East end?

omg. dont you even know? Trying watching or reading the news im sure you'll figure it out

Whats that got to do with anything!?!? I'm not talking about the buildings or infrastructure. I'm talking about the people.

These countries were hellholes before we started blowing them up. They treated woman like shit before we started bombing them. And they continue to treat them like shit after we bombed them.

Theres plenty of countries we havnt even started bombing yet that are islamic hellholes so you can't blame us.

The EDL Casuals are the new National Front not the BNP.

The nazi salutes and racist abuse are a giveaway.

Whether they are for real, or a state-honeytrap remains irrelevant, as there will be 120 estimated racist (and homophobic) football hooligans marching through Manchester and they must be opposed.

Nobody of right mind support Islamic extremists, but the EDL Casuals are copying Oswald Mosley in his tactics of invading local communities trying to incite racial and religious hatred.

It's ironic that oppresive middle-eastern regimes like Iran are homophobic, and yet, so are the EDL. If some of these lager-filled far right yobs happen to stray off towards come across Canal Street, and see two men kissing, EDL thugs would all too willingly show their homophobic side.

The odd Israel flag on display, means didly squat. The EDL Casuals took the idea from the Orangemen and the Unionist terrorist-supporting communities of Belfast in using the Israel flag to oppose perceieved leftwing opposition. If Catholics had opposed Iceland, expect the extreme right to parade the Iceland flag. It's mere incitement, and the EDL do not have supposed "Zionist" support. Jewish communities in Mancheser, plus LGBT communities and church groups oppose the hatred and the violence of the EDL Casuals, and it is opposition like this which will keep the streets fascist free.

Yes, there are ideaological differences between anarchists, Buddhists, pacifist Christians, New Age Pagans, communists, socialists, etc, but in keeping hate off our streets, everyone will be united in condemnation of the fascists' divide and conqer tactics.

The EDL is a dangerous army of racist football hooligans, and its supposed leadership have taken NO ACTION against its members who made Hitler saltues and racist remarks, and any claims not to be racist is mere lies and spin. And one of the EDL's chants is about the IRA. Forgive my ignorance, but the IRA had nothing to do with the Taliban. The EDL allow its members to "do their own thing" just like bad parents take no responsibility for their kids stealing and underage drinking, while turning a blind eye to their ASBO behaviour.

"The Hitler salutes are nothing to do with us, guv'nor, lol".

The EDL do not have a strict, disciplinary leadership as they believe in "leaderless resistance" as preached by the white supremacist Turner Diaries. If you don't know what the Turner Diaries are, check out Wikipedia.

Just beware everything you read on here, as Indymedia is teeming with trolling Stormfronters (Stormfront is the neo-Nazi site popular with BNPers), as well as the likes of the fascist EDL themselves.

UNITY AGAINST RACE HATE!

Apparently the police have advised school kids (parents) to give Piccadilly a wide berth on the 10th, EDL are holding a meeting not a march.

The woes of the EDL increase. The BNP has condemned them so they are unlikely to be able to get the numbers out. Read here:-

 http://bnp.org.uk/
2009/10/english-defence-league-“honey-trap”-proscribed-by-bnp/