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Ian Tomlinson killed by police imposter?!

observer | 02.07.2009 16:22 | G20 London Summit | Repression

City of London Police suggest to his family that Ian Tomlinson may have been killed by an imposter!

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/30/ian-tomlinson-inquiry-g20-protests

sorry but have only just seen this.

Adding insult to injury, City of London Police (who were originally in charge of investigating his death until the video emerged) suggested to his family that Ian Tomlinson may been killed by an imposter!
(all the more reason for ALL police officers to have their numbers clearly displayed at all times or be sacked)

This follows the string of lies and disinformation by the police about the death of Jean Charles de Menezes (jumping the ticket barrier, carrying a rucksack etc.)
and shows that there is a culture of deliberate misinformation and cover-up endemic in the police, especially when they are implicated in the death of a member of the public.

As of now, how can anyone believe ANYTHING the police say about anything. If they can lie about such serious issues, they can lie about anything!
(except MPs who believed the crap the police told them about cop violence at the G20 was due to 'inexperienced' officers.! including the FIT and TSG)

RIP Ian and Jean Charles, and shame on the police for lying to the berieved families.

observer

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I agree - shame on them

02.07.2009 17:27

To try and evade responsibility for Mr Tomlinson's death the police have concocted this sickening, unsustainable falsehood. They show no regret for his death or respect to his bereaved family and this bullying, deceitful contempt for the public is becoming a characteristic of the police system today.Mr Tomlinson died as a direct result of police loutishness and brutality and disregard for life. The passing of Mr menezes is also horific as it shows there is one law for state sponsered bullies hiding behind police uniforms and another law for everyone else.
Then today I hear two of their dogs have met a horrible death suffocating in the back of a police car and their "handler' has not even been suspended. The list goes on a long way and even after eleven years there is no accountability for the death of Christopher Alder whose passing has been accompanied by institutional deceit and cover up engineered by the IPCC among others.
I am myself a past victim of police brutality, violence, deceit and fit up and hold the police, as a body of viscious state sponsered non accountable criminals in the utmost contempt

My Respect, sympathy and solidarity to all families bereaved by police action or innaction and my solidarity with all who like me are sick of a system that allows these actions to be performed with no accountability or impunity

George Coombs


Spin

02.07.2009 19:16

Like the story put out about on the idiot box ( hello CH4 news ) and newspapers that the violence was somehow a new police tactic/untrained officers/abberation and not the truncheon bruises, sexual assault for the women, and broken bones ( particularly if you are working class and/or black ) from the uniformed perverts we have come to expect at demos.
Then there's the little matter of the deaths in custody and during arrest - we all know somebody who has manged to 'kill themselves' in police custody. A promotion for Cressida Dick for Menezes so more promotions to follow no doubt.

badguysinuniform


Rat on a Rat

02.07.2009 23:12

We now have extra reason to ask for police numbers when they are hidden from view as they so frequently are.

If they don't tell us we can now really push the issue on the basis that they may be impostors.

Public Information:
Do you suspect that a police officer may be phony? Ask him for his number as he may be a member of the public up to no good. If he refuses to give his number ring 0800 555 111 to speak to a real policeman.
If you suspect it, report it!

George Oswald Wallace


ha!

03.07.2009 08:28

So since posing as a policeman is a crime and the police now doubt anyone in uniform, that is surely good enough grounds for anyone to use all necessary reasonable force to effect and maintain a citizens arrest of any 'policeman'!

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@ George Oswald Wallace

03.07.2009 15:02

who is on the other end of the 0800 555 111 number you posted?

more info


@more info

04.07.2009 17:13

The number is Crimestoppers, it is spraypainted in every cell I've been.
[Tip: If you know you are going to be arrested, it's relatively easy to smuggle in powdered paint to subvert it]
I don't think Crimestoppers would know be honest about, or even know, if a particular officer was genuine though so it's odd advice, I've never phoned them though so I'm not even sure it is a real cop you speak to.

I remember the police advice for if you think a police vehicle trying to stop you is fake, to drive to the nearest police station. It was issued after a woman was attacked by a driver who stopped her car with a blue flashing light. Say you followed it though, if someone was trying to hurt you it wouldn't necessarily save you as even if you got into a police station before the assailant, in most police stations you have to ring a bell and wait ten minutes before someone answers.

Danny


What nutty advice.

06.07.2009 01:02

Crimestoppers is a civilian service and not police one and they take information, not dispense it.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimestoppers_UK

As for not being any safer in a police station: that would be true if it weren't for the fact that most people wouldn't risk following someone into a police station to commit a crime unless they were deranged, stupid or supremely confident of getting away with it. So, given the place is riddled with CCTV and crawling with coppers, it's unlikely an opportunist would risk it,

As for the topic, perhaps 'Police mooted whether public were stupid enough to buy "a big boy did it and ran away" as an alibi', may be more accurate. Perhaps, they reasoned that the public used it often enough was an indication they may stupid enough to believe it themselves.

Nathan Barley


An imposter?

06.07.2009 02:07

A fucking imposter?

imposter


Cop shouldn't have been cop

06.07.2009 11:42

The papers are now saying that the cop was previously under investigation for excessive force, but resigned and restarted his career to avoid the charge.

Danny
- Homepage: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6644862.ece


MPs or police liars?

06.07.2009 21:25

MPs report found that police violence at g20 was due to untrained officers - which is at variance with the police themselves.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8121608.stm

The Met's Assistant Commissioner Chris Allison said the force would learn lessons from G20.

"Only by doing this will we maintain the confidence of Londoners," he said.
Ian Tomlinson lying on the ground (Photo: Kris Sime)
Witnesses say Mr Tomlinson collapsed after earlier contact with police

"However, it is wrong to suggest that our officers are not trained. They are. To suggest otherwise can only serve to damage public confidence in us. "

so do you believe MPs or the police themselves?

see


crying blue murder

07.07.2009 00:08

Every policeman is trained enough to know that striking out at someone who isn't a threat to anyone is illegal. Every toddler is trained to know that is immoral.
The police include hired thugs and so should not be rewarded with more money for training in what is just normal decency, and instead the policeman killer, his boss, and his bosses boss should be on trial for murder or manslaughter.

Danny