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7/7 London Bombings - What Really Happened?

wm | 25.06.2009 10:22 | Analysis | Terror War

Commentery about 7/7 which has resurfaced in the comment section of the previous posting about disgraced holocaust denier Dr Nick Kollerstrom:
Ref:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/06/433062.html

Dr Nick Kollerstrom, a disgraced holocaust denier who lost his fellowship at UCL last year after his views were made public, was to appear at a talk at Conway Hall next Tuesday 30th June, however, Conway Hall appear to have now cancelled the event after a barrage of complaints.

Kollerstrom was due to talk about his views about what happened during the 7/7 London bombings. He has recently had a book published on the subject.

Please read the following about 7/7 which has resurfaced in the comment section of the previous posting about Kollerstrom:
Ref:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/06/433062.html

The following has been posted as a comment attached to this posting:

Kollerstrom is an idiot to have views like this; what a waste of an otherwise thoughtful, inquisitive, investigative and insightful mind. However, his recent book on 7/7 is also flawed for, though thoroughly researched, he makes too many broad based sweeping statements which only go to discredit any contrary view to the official narrative. I recommend people read Nafeez Ahmed's well researched and non-hyperbolic book on 7/7 entitled 'The London Bombings', instead. Sticks to the facts simply, without veering off on one. The intelligent rreader can make up their own mind on why Visor Consultants where running a mock-terror drill the same morning at exactly the same 3 stations (KingsX, Adldgate & Edgware Rd).

Also, check out:  http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17444
Also:  http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/
&: Film: 7/7 Ripple Effect:
 http://www.livevideo.com/video/CTCC/A4C62936F0294BE4BD69B7E235E65B67/7-7-ripple-effect.aspx


7/7 evidence of inside job
25.06.2009 02:57
Consider the following:

1). How Visor Consultants were running a terror drill at exactly the same 3 stations where the bombs went off at exactly the same time on the morning of 7/7/2005.

2). How the 'Stratfor Intelligence Agency' reported that the Met Police gave Benjamin Netanyahu warning the bombs were going to happen 10 minutes before they happened. The Met police then denied they had informed Mr Netanyahu and that they had prior knowledge of the attack, and 2 weeks after, Mossad Chief Meir Dagan admitted he had informed Mr Netanyahu of the bombs ten minutes before they exploded at 08.40am on 7/7/2005.(This could be explained by factthat Mossad simply have better intelligence - though it doesn't corroborate easily with the explanation of Visor Consultant's chief exec at the time Peter Power, who claimed that a group of rich Jewish businessmen wanted them to carry out the drill).
Ref:  http://www.livevideo.com/video/CTCC/A4C62936F0294BE4BD69B7E235E65B67/7-7-ripple-effect.aspx

3). Reports state that there were no witnesses who verified that they saw any of the alleged bombers or unattended backpacks in the carriages where the bombs went off, and that there were holes in the floor of the train after the explosions and that metal on the track where the bombs exploded was pointing upwards after the blast (witness - Bruce Lait from Cambridge) . The bombs were comprised of military grade explosives, yet the bombs were reported to be homemade explosives, which would not cause the same amount of damage (testimony of French anti-terrorist expert Christophe Chaboud, brought in the advice Scotland Yard).

4).The mysterious lack of cctv footage at any of the tube locations or the no.30 bus and the fact that bus engineeers claim that a security company came to repair the cctv in that same No-30 bus the day before the bombing (06/07), and the fact that the workers doing this took more longer than usual working on the job they were doing.

5). The mysterious re-routing of the No.30 bus, and witness statements that there were 2 separate explosions on the No-30 bus which varies from the official version of what happened, as reported by Miss Marie Oates-Whitehead, employee at the BMA and who was described as a herionne who assisted the injured after the explosion, and who died unexpectedly at her home 11 days later.

6). The mysterious witness statement of a man named Richard Jones who was on the bombed No.30 bus (who managed to give interviews to a range of tv, print and web media after the event shortly after the bus) who said he got off the bus shortly before it exploded and displayed various inconsistencies in his description of what he saw (ie: his description of the clothing and facial characteristics of the person he claimed had the backpack).

wm

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7/7 Ripple Effect: Best Avioded

25.06.2009 10:33

7/7 Ripple Effect is very dubious (at best!) and doesn't help get to the bottom of what happened, see these articles and the comments for some more info.

7/7 Ripple Effect
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/11/386124.html

Muad'Dib arrested and held in custody for distributing 7/7 Ripple Effect
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/421837.html

Dublin agrees to UK request for extradition of 7/7 documentary maker
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/04/426158.html

7/7 documentary maker released on bail in Ireland
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/04/428560.html

Nafeez Ahmed's work is probably the best starting point if anyone is interested in what happened on 7/7, for example:

Inside the Crevice: 7/7 and the Security Debacle
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/370395.html

Chris


We know what happened

25.06.2009 10:40

There is no evidence of an inside job on 77 or 911. I've watched all the conspiracy documentaries on this. A few strange coincidences don't add up to proof.

Brian


Sssshhh! Don't tell anyone but...

25.06.2009 10:59

What happened?

MI6 were running a recruitment centre for Balkan Jihad in Finsbury Park mosque, and at least three of their assets turned on them after the invasion of Afghanistan- see Hamza's public statement to that effect ('the covenant is broken').

The rogue assets recruited, trained and armed a bunch of guys from the north of England to carry out that attack as retribution for British involvement in 'the war on terror'- as per their suicide video testimony.

It's hardly a big secret- not least for anyone who can be be bothered reading a few articles on the Mujahadeen, Taliban, KLA and people like Abu Hamza & Co.

But hey, you can waste everyone's time by looking for Scooby Doo 'false flags' and the such... create a nice diversion away from MI6 and the fact that no charges have been brought against those security service responsible for the Jihadi recruitment, funding and training.

But I suppose British (and American) state sponsorship & participation in terrorism isn't as sexy as some cliche-laden thriller plotlines.

Lexis Nexus


Brian, you're wrong

25.06.2009 11:06

Abit of a large coincidence Brian, mock drill at same 3 stations at exactly the same time! Come-on!

Nearly as incredible as 20 simultaneous drills occurring during 911, or the controlled demolition of Building 7 or the discovery of Mohammed Atta's miraculously fireproof passport in ashes of the WTC towers (as well as the countless other anomolies on 11/9/2001 in New York).

A disputation for disputations's sake is no real, credible disputation at-all! if you can't take issue with the evidence as laid out, then you have no arguemnt to say there is not serious shortcomings with the official narrative and a suscipicious malevolent conspiracy at the heart of what happened on 7/7/2005

wm


Put the tinfoil hat down and walk away

25.06.2009 11:14


Not this nonsense again.

"Visor Consultants were running a terror drill at exactly the same 3 stations". *At* the stations you say? Really? No they weren't: it was a paper-pushing exercise in a publishing company's boardroom. And it involved several other major London tube stations. In a city of 8 million people, with dozens of businesses planning continuity management stuff around potential terrorist attacks, that's not that unlikely.

The evidence for the conspiracy seems to boil down to a handful of minor inconsistencies which either you'd expect ("A train from Luton was running two minutes late! That never happens in Britain! It must be a plot!") or were understandable in the confusion on a day when bombs were going off in different parts of London (ie The Guardian quote which some have used to suggest the bombs might be under the trains, since debunked).

What piece of that evidence outweighs.. say... Mohammed Sidique Khan's video?
(In which he states: "Our words are dead until we give them life with our blood. Until we feel security, you will be our targets, Until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.")

It's amusing the way the conspiracy theorists have twisted themselves into knots trying to explain it.

Norvello


To Norville, whoever you are

25.06.2009 12:12

Norvello (or isn't that Norville B), it's amazing how much you are twisting yourself into knots trying to discount points 1 to 6 above, none of which you've actually addressed (apart from lamely saying that Visor Consultants mock terror drill exercise was a paper-pushing exercise; the fact is, the drill WAS acted out at precisely the 3 stations where the bombs occurred at exactly the same time the bombs went off - with the drill having been in operation before the bombs detonated).

Norville B is the same character who goes out of his/her way to dispute the obvious FACT about 911 that building 7 fell via a controlled demolition. One would wonder why he /she so obsessively spends their time revisting these message boards to dispute this evidence....

wm


three things i know

25.06.2009 13:15

the day before the bombings the agenda was fair trade and third world debt, then along came these bombs and the single issue became the war on terror....1
had the bombs occurred the day before then london would not now be preparing for the olympics 2012 and perhaps the g8 gig itself would have been cancelled.....2
had the bombs not occurred then the following day the metropolitan police (so easy to identify with their blue bibs) WERE gonna get their heads kicked in......3

no body innit


Ignore this please!

25.06.2009 13:39

Carry on ignoring this (which took one google search to find) and continue to make up a load of gibberish about late trains, CCTV & VISOR that distracts attention away from MI6 and the CIA's real crimes that created the 7/7 blowback:

 http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=2014

 http://www.globalpolitician.com/23205-jihad

 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article728419.ece

 http://www.nlpwessex.org/docs/guardiansheikh.htm

 http://www.statewatch.org/cia/documents/CIA-MI6-Interference-in-the-Balkans.pdf

But of course you serious scholars of 7/7 Truth already know all this stuff and have just evaluated it as meaningless- it was all really a massive sprawling conspiracy with central London crawling with agents in a Gothically engineered 'false flag'.

Lexis Nexus


@WM

25.06.2009 15:16


Yes, WM - I am NB. Switched to a similar usernames to help log in to another site, but am happy to admit to being the same person. Have commented on dozens and dozens of other things on Indymedia unrelated to 9/11 and 7/7, so not entirely sure what you're implying. Can't ever recall saying much about building 7, to be honest, but I'll take your word for it.

You're still wrong, though about the 7/7 run-through. It's utter rubbish to suggest people were running around the tube stations carrying it out. It was a bunch of bored Reed Elsevier execs sitting in a room watching a PowerPoint presentation.

The crucial statement from Peter Power was this:

"The test was planned as a table-top walk through for about six people (the CM team) in a lecture room with all injects simulated. Everything was on MS PowerPoint. The location of their Central London office near to Chancery Lane was chosen as one test site.

"As with any walk through exercise, events unfolded solely on a screen as dictated by the facilitator without any external injects or actions beyond the exercise room."

The publishing execs were probably worried how a potential terrorist attack would damage production of the New Scientist or one of their other mags - unless you have real evidence that they were sprinting between tube stations dressed as terrorists which you'd like to share with us.

Norvello


spooks - constant readjustment to the rules of the game (playing the long game)

25.06.2009 15:41

Lexis Nexus, all the evidence you provide about 7/7 is incidental to the evidence I have provided in points 1 to 6 above (yes, M!5/MI6 let Finsbury Park Mosque get on with recruiting converts - maybe part of the wider goal of creating world war 3? After-all, the defence business needs the production line to keep ticking, and it serves various goals such as creating the conditions for conflict in Afghanistan, justifying military intervention into Afghanistan to allow the passage of an oil pipeline - ref:  http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html ).

re: 7/7, further to points 1 to 6 not mentioned was the fact the the website site which displayed the sole statement of intent/claim of responsibility for the bombings was registered to an ip address in Texas!!!!

Lexis Nexus, your info is background info, and so, as such, a diversion from the real unequivocal facts at play in the precise series of events which occurred on 7/7. Yes, perhaps elements within the security services have been embroiled in the dark arts (no doubt members of the 'Yezidi Peacock' branch of Royal Arch Freemasonry, as well as some kind of Temple of Set-type set up known as the Trapezoid Lodges...Mind control programming is a reality, and MI6 use a handbook known as the 'Annotated Alice' for training sex slaves, ... the usual O'Brien/Philips Neuro-Linguistic Programming derived gibberish... Ref:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/07/344665.html?c=on ).

There are no doubt several factions serving different ends within each of our security services.

For example:
"How MI5 blackmails British Muslims", by Robert Verkaik, Law Editor
The Independent, Thurs, 21 May 2009
Five Muslim community workers have accused MI5 of waging a campaign of blackmail and harassment in an attempt to recruit them as informants.The men claim they were given a choice of working for the Security Service or face detention and harassment in the UK and overseas.
REF:  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exclusive-how-mi5-blackmails-british-muslims-1688618.html

Not forgetting the dirty tricks played upon Jamil el Banna and Bisher al-Rawi - who were courted by "Alex" and "Matt" - MI5 officers to work as informants for reconnaissance work, specifically to get information from Abu Qataba whom they knew, by acting as a go-between between the 2. They refused money for doing it, as they believed they were assisting the fight against terrorism. They succedded in being part of a staged scenerio where Qataba went to meet his family, leading to his arrest in London. Then, after being congratulated for their contribution by the UK security services, on a business trip in Gambia to set up Al-Rawi's brother's peasant oil business, Gambian authorities arrested Al-Rawi and Banna on arrival (they had been mysteriously detained shortly before leaving the UK at Paddington Green police station on a jumped up charge - it is not clear why this happened). They were interviewed by the CIA, asked if they would work for them, which they refused; then they were sent to Kabul and then Guantanamo.
 http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2008/01/09/jamil-el-bannas-first-interview-since-returning-from-guantanamo/

All these Muslim 'scapegoats' (and the working class, colonial peoples under military dictatorships as in Burma, now Sri lanka) are expendable to whatever long term strategies the Security services (or factions within) are waging in the name of the needs to securing time-honoured imperialism

wm


To Norvello

25.06.2009 16:09

Norvello, I wasn't suggesting that the drill involved people at the actual stations. however, the fact remains that the mock exercise involved EXACTLY the 3 same stations.

Power has never revealed who this company is (commercial confidentiality). They of course, have never come forward to admit it was them, to reveal the massive coincidence, if that is what occurred. It would appear to be more tha just a coincidence that a company had to protect it's human, physical and financial capital in this way - it is too much of a coincidence and, as such, amounts to foreknowledge by some party.

(BBC Radio Interview, 7 July 2005):
Peter POWER: "At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning"

HOST: "To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?"

POWER: "Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on."

Source:  http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=821

wm


@wm

26.06.2009 07:41


You've done no research at all have you? Peter Power has openly admitted the company he was working for on that day was Reed Elsevier - if you want to build an extra conspiracy out of the fact they've been involved in arms shows, fine, but they were probably just interested in protecting their massive publishing business.

Just google the statement Peter Power made more than a year ago. It's all over the place

Again - you said "the drill WAS acted out at precisely the 3 stations". That would imply to people reading this site that it was ... err... acted out *at* the stations; it wasn't - it was a PowerPoint exercise in a boardroom on Chancery Lane. Businesses and public sector organisations in London do stuff like that all the time.

The company's office, as Power has publicly stated, was near Chancery Lane; not so surprising that they'd pick, say, Russell Square and King's Cross and Aldgate, or whichever combo they chose. The fact the trains were between stations makes it even easier for Power to say that it was a station "involved" in the drama. Remember he's trying to make his business sound as prescient and cool as possible - he's got to sell his courses to other companies.

"The scenario developed for our client even started by using fictitious news items from the Panorama programme then, as with any walk through exercise, events unfolded solely on a screen as dictated by the facilitator without any external injects or actions beyond the exercise room. Also factored into the scenario was to be an above ground fictitious bomb exploding not far from the head office of the protected Jewish Chronicle magazine where for exercise purposes, our imagined terrorists would have been aware that commuters would now be walking to work (past a building already considered a target) as some tube stations would have been closed."

Do you recall any bombs outside the Jewish Chronicle as well?



Norvello


Peter Power/July 7th Truth Campaign on BBC Conspiracy Files prog

26.06.2009 12:44

I humbly accept that the exercise by Visor Consultants had nothing to do directly with the bombings of 7/7. However, it is just too much of a coincidence to suggest that there was no indirect cross-over between both scenerios; someone in the know must have been aware of this precise scenerio occurring (the bombings occurring in exactly the same 3 locations in London) to suggest it for the mock drill, for some purpose which we will probably never know (no doubt some security issue - the company who contracted VC to do the mock drill on 7/7 was, as Norvello states, Reed Elsevier - a company most notable for its ownership of the Lexis/Nexis legal database, as well as many other information sources).

Norvello is right that I haven't researched the issue of Visor Consultants mock drill on 7/7/2005 thoroughly, and have only referred to it in the broad outline.
For Peter Power's latest comment on this, read one of the last comments on this blog, made on 9.30am on 26/06/09, in this comment blog about the forthcoming BBC 'Conspiracy Files' documentary:
The Conspiracy Files: 7/7 :  http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77.html
Peter Power's comments on BBC blog:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile/?userid=13498905

Norvello has avoided points 2 to 6 I made, which all point to foreknowledge and a conspiracy.

The BBC documentary will do a hachet job on the voices which dissent from the official narrative of 7/7, principally because of the lunacy of people like Nick Kollerstrom. People should be aware that the July 7th Truth Campaign decided NOt to contribute to the BBC documentary after it became apparant that the BBC producers making the programme would not be "[examining] 7/7 in its correct historical and political context, the government narrative, the lack of evidence to support it, the nonsensical amendments that have been made to the narrative, and the ever increasing list of unanswered questions that engulf the events of 7/7."
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77.html#P82059290

Full statement from July 7th Truth campaign:
"The July 7th Truth Campaign would be more than happy to participate in any serious programme that honestly examines 7/7 in its correct historical and political context, the government narrative, the lack of evidence to support it, the nonsensical amendments that have been made to the narrative, and the ever increasing list of unanswered questions that engulf the events of 7/7.

However, we do not feel that the Conspiracy Files is the vehicle that will facilitate this, nor will it treat the event or issues arising from it with the level of seriousness that they demand, and nor will it further the cause of the July 7th Truth Campaigns quest for the truth about what happened on 7th July 2005. As such, the July 7th Truth Campaign has no intention of participating in the proposed episode of the Conspiracy Files and can only hope you will take on board the points we have raised in this communication in consideration of your public service duty to the people of Britain, a people that includes at least 56 families whom, through your continued refusal to honestly address the events of 7/7, you have hitherto failed abysmally."

We suspect that after viewing your offering on Tuesday, failing abysmally will be all too apparent."

wm


@Brian

26.06.2009 12:45

"There is no evidence of an inside job on 77 or 911. I've watched all the conspiracy documentaries on this. A few strange coincidences don't add up to proof."

When there are a few strange coincidence in murder cases, the police and justice usually investigate them.

With those attacks we find ourselves in a situation where they don't.

There has been no judicial enquiry for 7/7 if I am not mistaken despite the more than 50 deads. All we've got is an unsigned government "narrative" from a proven team of liars who twisted/fabricated/falsificated intelligence in order to justify an illegal war which killed at least one million.

Smelling a rat ?

dude


Show me one piece of solid evidence please

26.06.2009 13:53

Dude,

"When there are a few strange coincidence in murder cases, the police and justice usually investigate them."

That maybe, but if they uncovered no actual evidence then the case would go no further.

If there was an enquiry wouldn't you just say that it was a whitewash?

"All we've got is an unsigned government "narrative" from a proven team of liars who twisted/fabricated/falsificated intelligence in order to justify an illegal war which killed at least one million. Smelling a rat ? "

Not really. I agree about the lie on WMDs but this wasn't a lie of the 'team' that were involved in this alledged 77 conspiracy. The suggestion that the police, government, MI5, emergency services and others are all in on this is farcical.

Brian


Another thing

26.06.2009 14:40


Another thing...

"The mysterious lack of cctv footage at any of the tube locations or the no.30 bus"

Hmm - there's CCTV footage from Liverpool Street station showing one of the bombers getting on then smoke from the explosion (JFGI). There's footage from King's Cross, showing the bloke there wandering around. The most recent trial was also show footage from the BMJ reception of the number 30 bus. There's also plentiful footage of the trial run. So that's another rubbish claim.

As for the "wouldn't police in a murder case investigate inconsistencies"?. Yes - and the police probably looked into the inconsistencies here. But if a police officer found part of the murder weapon in the suspect's flat, plus a video in which they said they were about to do a murder, they'd probably take that a bit more seriously than some conspiracy theorist saying "But the bus was diverted because of road-works! A train was two minutes late! Transport for London staff were a bit slow replacing a CCTV! None of this ever happens in London!".

Norvello


@wm again

26.06.2009 17:42

"Norvello has avoided points 2 to 6 I made, which all point to foreknowledge and a conspiracy."

Hmm - I've debunked two of the six points so far. Haven't got time to do full debunking of all but let's give two more a go.

5) A bus is re-routed. F**k me - that never happens in London, must be a conspiracy...

6) A bloke is confused after a bomb goes off. Wow.

The think I find most astonishing is your inability to accept that any coincidences are possible. There are thousands of businesses in London (more than 480 overseas banks alone). Hundreds of the big ones do continuity management stuff - and lots were doing them in 2006 and 2007 because of the growing threat of a terrorist attacks. These exercises happen every day.

All this "exactly the same" three stations stuff is also misleading because the bombs didn't all go off on particular stations - they were between them. So at least six stations were "involved". If you were doing an exercise based around an office on Chancery Lane, and wanted to pick two vaguely-nearby major stations that might be targets, it's not suprising they'd choose King's Cross and Liverpool Street. As Power points, out, they chose between eight stations. Maybe they got lucky with Russell Square. They guessed wrong about the Jewish Chronicle, so they're not totally psychic. I'd presume Power exaggerated their accuracy anyway.

Norvello


Separating misinformed supposition from genuine points for enquiry

27.06.2009 09:16

There are problems with how I laid out some of this information. Upon greater thought and attention to detail, lets re-examine:
point 3 (no witnesses who verified that they saw any of the alleged bombers or unattended backpacks in the carriages where the bombs went off) - could be because the massive explosion would jar the memory - and in any case, who really pays attention of everyone else on a tube train; the trains were packed, and also, those closest to the bombers are the ones who will have expired

Points 4 & 5, I grant you (Re: Point-4, actually yes, there was some footage)

Re: Point 5, it is a non-issue - the location of where the bomb went off isn't significant.

Re: Point 6, no, a strange description was given of the bomber - didn't corroborate with clothing or facial likeness (colour of skin) of the bomber Hasib Hussain. However, again, this doesn't amount to too much - yes, the guy was probably disorientated.

Points 1, 2 & 3 still stand. Re: Point 1, you downplay the significance of the massive coincidence of Visor Consultant's mock drill. There are upteem other Underground Stations in Central London which could have been chosen for the drill - too much of a coincidence that they were the same 3 out of 6 stations!!! As a result, you cannot discount that there was foreknowledge here by some party to enable some kind of private security arrangement.

Norvello, so you have no explanation for point-2 (how did Mossad have advance knowledge)

wm


other dodgy stuff about 7/7

27.06.2009 09:59

Other anomolies still not explained in the official narrative:

- Doubts over the explosive comprised used being able to cause the extent of the damage (i.e. the obliteration of train carriages and a bus). This is because the bombs were comprised of military grade explosives, yet the bombs were reported to be homemade explosives, which would not cause the same amount of damage (testimony of French anti-terrorist expert Christophe Chaboud, brought in the advice Scotland Yard).). A sum of £100 million spent on Operation Theseus has failed to establish the nature of the explosives used on 7 July 2005. Ref:  http://j7truth.blogspot.com/2009/05/nature-of-explosives-from-c4-to.html

- why Scotland Yard denied the fact of a second controlled explosion on the Number 30 bus.

- how the website where the claim of responsibility for the bombings in London was displayed as having being signed by the 4 alleged bombers from Leeds who signed it in the name of Al-Queda was traced to an IP address in Texas!

- How the boot of a Nissan Micra is assumed to have contained 4x large rucksacks + 1 cooler box, plus 4 intact nailbombs and 4 detonators, which all 4 passengers would have had with them on their journey in a small car

- How the alleged bomber Shehzad Tanweer is seen wearing WHITE sports trousers, a white Puma T-shirt, and a black jacket, whilst filling the car with fuel, allegedly at 04:50AM on 7/7/2005, according to the BBC, at a motorway services on the M1 motorway, but then in the cctv footage of the 4 men entering Luton Station at 07.20am, Shehzad Tanweer is wearing a BLACK sports trousers, a white Puma T-shirt, and a black jacket (Ref:  http://files.100777.com/77/ ).

- How the boot of a Nissan Micra is assumed to have contained 4x large rucksacks + 1 cooler box, plus 4 intact nailbombs and 4 detonators, which all 4 passengers would have had with them on their journey in a small car

- Why none of the drivers of the 3 trains that were involved that day have been interviewed, named or honoured. On the contrary, the driver of the Piccadilly Line train, Tom Nairn, was refused compensation on the grounds that the 'police had no record of him'.
Ref:  http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2006/01/london-77-information-event-horizon.html

- Reports state that there were no witnesses who verified that they saw any of the alleged bombers or unattended backpacks in the carriages where the bombs went off (which of course could be explained by the fact that all those close to the bombers were killed). However, there were reports that there were holes in the floor of the train after the explosions and that metal on the track where the bombs exploded was pointing upwards after the blast (witness - Bruce Lait from Cambridge) .

wm


Your source for this is?

27.06.2009 10:21

"The Met police then denied they had informed Mr Netanyahu and that they had prior knowledge of the attack, and 2 weeks after, Mossad Chief Meir Dagan admitted he had informed Mr Netanyahu of the bombs ten minutes before they exploded at 08.40am on 7/7/2005."

So your source for the 'admission' is where? What exactly did he say and where did he say it? It's difficult to rebut a statement when you don't have access to primary sources.

academic


@Brian

27.06.2009 10:38

"If there was an enquiry wouldn't you just say that it was a whitewash?"

Hahaha, the problem is that all that has not seen the desk of a judge at all. Can you tell me how many murder cases aren't processed by justice apart from that one ?

"I agree about the lie on WMDs but this wasn't a lie of the 'team' that were involved in this alledged 77 conspiracy. The suggestion that the police, government, MI5, emergency services and others are all in on this is farcical."

Hahaha, as if there was no corruption in the police, government and intelligence...

Look into Andy Hayman, the former counterterrorism head who uttered so many nonsense and lies about that case for example :

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/dec/04/menezes.terrorism

dude


"Evidence"

27.06.2009 17:22

Given their view of what constitutes "evidence" I hope I'm never on trial with some of the commentators here on the jury.

What a waste of energy all this conspiracy bollocks is!

Stroppyoldgit


The case for a Public Enquiry

28.06.2009 09:16

Stroppy Old Git says that "What a waste of energy all this conspiracy bollocks is! "

> It may be trendy within activist circles to so easily discount endeavours which seek to grasp a more honest appraisal of the facts around 7/7, but it is certainly not a waste of time to families who want a Public Enquiry. Public Enquiries have previously been called for less significant events before, so why not now?

Don't believe me, than perhaps Naveez Ahmed can persuade you:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF3HQIDhfkA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.911forum.org.uk%2Fboard%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D1413%26sid%3D616405c8a6659f1bb82de2ace705c1dd&feature=player_embedded

The promotion of inconsistencies and anomolies into 7/7 would provide justification for such a call, which is why arguing for a greater examination of the official narrative into what happened needs exposure. Definately not a waste of time. The very idea that doing that is a 'waste of energy' is really lazy thinking - nothing more than an attempt to bury one's head in the sand. Making cheap quips may give yourself a laugh for a few minutes, but it substantially takes away from your grasp on having a honourable, honest look at the facts. Furthermore, you need to be abit more open-minded to the possibility that criminal elements of the intelligence agencies were involved in this attack.

In any case, how can you say there is not an issue to be looked at here? Unfortunately, Tuesday evening's programme will do much to give credence to your view.

wm


More dodgy evidence

28.06.2009 09:32

The Guardian's Mark Honigsbaum spoke to several eye witnesses to the Edgware Road tube bomb on the morning of July 7th. He is quoted as saying:
“He reported an explosion this morning under the carriage of the train", and went on, "some passengers described how tiles, the covers on the floor of the train, suddenly flew up, raised up.”
Listen to the audio report taken from the Guardian’s website here:
 http://www.officialconfusion.com/77/witnesses/honigsbaum7705.mp3

Bruce Lait, injured by the Aldgate East tube bomb was interviewed on the 11th July by a reporter from the Cambridge Evening Standard.

Mr Lait explained that as he was being led to safety, "The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag".

The ID's of the alleged 4 suicide bombers were found in pristine condition right next to where the bombs went off.

Re: the No.30 bus
There were claims by Stagecoach bus employees who said that a different group of contractors inspected the CCTV cameras in the days before the bombings and that they took two entire days to carry out tasks which normally take just hours to complete.
Ref:  http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/150705busbombing.htm


MI6 protect asset who was involved in 7/7 bombings:

Haroon Rashid Aswat is reported to have made phonecalls to Mohammed Sidique Khan. The investigation into the London bombings allegedly turned up Aswat's phone number during examination of the mobile telephone records of the four alleged bombers of July 7.

Sources said that days after the first explosions, around 20 phone calls were found to have been made from his mobile to some of the men who caused carnage on the London Underground and a bus in the capital.

The police declared by the Autumn of 2005 that, as part of their investigation into the 7/7 bombings, they were NOT investigating Aswat in connection with the London bombings.

Yet Haroon Rashid Aswat, is a British Intelligence Asset. John Loftus of the US Justice Department said on Fox News that Haroon Rashid Aswat worked for MI6. Terror expert John Loftus told Fox News:
"Back in 1999 he came to America. The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon... we've just learned that the headquarters of the US Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Aswat... , apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence."

The mastermind of the London bombings was under the direction and protection of MI6. How much more obvious does it need to be that criminal elements of the intelligence agencies were involved in this attack.

Mr. Aswat was raised in Dewsbury, the same area where Mohammad Sidique Khan lived.


Ref:
Bombing Mastermind Aswat Works for MI-6, by Kurt Nimmo
Global Research | August 3, 2005
Ref: www.infowars.com/articles/London_attack/bombing_mastermind_aswat_works_for_mi6.htm


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other interesting info:
1988 Mossad plot to bomb Britain
Ref:  http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/09/12272.html

wm


WM and his like are total fuckwits

28.06.2009 11:43

It seems that it is not enough that there is a case to be answered for the US & UK (from Special Forces to Secret Services and probably to Cabinet level) being knee-deep in recruiting and training Jihadi terrorists (on UK and US soil) to circumvent the UN and international law in the Balkans (and hitherto Afghanistan)- which is the real reason there will NEVER be any serious investigation/inquiry into 7/7.

No real conspiracies with indictable crimes are of any interest to these fucking loonies, who instead fixate on bullshit fantasies and nonsensical leaps of logic in order to smash a square peg into a round hole.

Are these people and their flimsy, psychotic, obtuse gibberish a smokescreen or just useful idiots for the efforts to keep MI6 & CIA terrorism out the mainstream by making all serious inquiry look like 'Yeti Spotting' & 'Moon Landing Denial'?

Either way they are no use to anyone truly interested in an honest appraisal of the who, what and whys of 7/7 and beyond, and serves well to undermine inquiry.

Heavy Electricity


'Heavy Electricity' protests abit too much

28.06.2009 12:43

me thinks "Heavy Electricity' protests abit too much!

All I call for is a Public Inquiry. What do you have to hide?

wm


No

28.06.2009 13:12

WM, you go beyond asking for an inquiry and actively disseminate bullshit fantasies & red herrings about 7/7 and seem wholly unconcerned, and openly dismissive about real & known cases of state sponsored terrorism pervading the whole incident... just like all typical conspiraloons you have no guts/desire to go after the real offences preferring the comfort/focus on Lala-Lizard-Land and conjured, sprawling exercises that miraculously are kept secret- stories (logical gymnastics) that seems simply mad to any rational person.

The info about the KLA & their cohorts, the info about British and US involvement in Jihad is, in part, out there in the public domain; Finsbury Park mosque hasn't been burned to the ground, and there are people who can be contacted and leads followed up.

None of which has been done by conspiraloons- who ever so "coincidentally" seem to steer well clear of the trail back to MI6 by following Downing Street's line that 7/7 had "no international dimension" that they were "acting alone".

And you accuse me of deception! Yeah, indicting the British and American governments for criminal acts of recruiting, training and arming terrorists for guerilla fighting in an illegal war is me hiding something!??? Get a grip, or better, get a slightest clue!

"Truthseekers" my arse. You are an utter sham.

Heavy Electricity


Case to be answered (revised emphasis)

28.06.2009 13:57

Heavy E, you are making extraordinarily heavy weather of yr dispute!

Who said there wasn’t a case to be answered by the US & UK in recruiting and training Jihadi terrorists (on UK and US soil) in the Balkans and now Afghanistan? Not me?

Why oh why should an honest exposure of what really happened in the lead up to and manifestation of 7/7 take anything away from doing this? (apart from possibly the question of why Haroon Rashid Aswat was not questioned as to his involvement in 7/7? It could be that exposure of certain evidence of his background might pre-judge an investigation into the UK and US wider prosecution of their foreign policy of the last 15 –20 years, but it might also necessarily nudge forward the start of such an enquiry; of course, there are many other variables which would come into play if that was to happen successfully).

How is asking the following reasonable questions a diversion?:

1). Why have none of the drivers of the 3 trains that were involved that day been interviewed, named or honoured. On the contrary, the driver of the Piccadilly Line train, Tom Nairn, was refused compensation on the grounds that the 'police had no record of him'.
Ref:  http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2006/01/london-77-information-event-horizon.html

2). Why did Scotland Yard deny that a second controlled explosion occurred on the Number 30 bus?

3). Why did the £100 million spent on Operation Theseus fail to establish the nature of the explosives used on 7 July 2005? Ref:  http://j7truth.blogspot.com/2009/05/nature-of-explosives-from-c4-to.html
Why were mobile detonators reported to have been found on the trains?

4). Why is there evidence that the bomb which detonated at Edgware Road was underneath the train?
(several eye witnesses gave that account).

5). Why is there a mysterious lack of cctv footage at any of the tube locations, but more so, from the no.30 bus which was bombed? What explanation is there for the fact that Stagecoach bus employees claimed that a different group of contractors inspected the CCTV cameras in the days before the bombings and that they took two entire days to carry out tasks which normally take just hours to complete? Ref:  http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/150705busbombing.htm

6). The mysterious witness statement of a man named Richard Jones who was on the bombed No.30 bus who said he got off the bus shortly before it exploded gave a very misleading description of the bomber ie: his description of the clothing and facial characteristics of the person he claimed had the backpack bomb on the bus - didn't corroborate with clothing or facial likeness (colour of skin) of the alleged bomber Hasib Hussain.

7). How did Mossad have advance knowledge of the bombs?


wm


But no cigar...

28.06.2009 15:45

Aswat is probably a more relevant line of inquiry. Perhaps the only sane one you have raised.

Your listed questions are either pure nonsense or at best inconsequential- any rational approach would conclude that quite quickly, and that they reveal an underlying bias in their emphasis.

(Your links are dubious too. A couple of whacko conspiraloon blogs and a climate change denier/gun nut's commercial website.)

I'm only replying to this stupid thread in the hope that someone who has a genuine interest in 7/7 may possibly not get sucked into the same trash you and your hobby club have (or are perhaps 'saturating the market' with) or be put off.

There's no point in engaging with people like you and your "evidence" like you as you are either psyop, the useless idiots to a psyop, or just common or garden idiots & fruitcakes.

But credit where it's due, you are doing a great job at convincing people that any enquiry into 7/7 and 9/11 is the domain of ridiculous nutters.

Heavy Electricity


Heavy Electricity does great job convincing people something suspicious abt 7/7

29.06.2009 07:14

Heavy Electricity flatters to deceive (& protests too much!), and by using slander and insult, he thinks the asking of 7 reasonable questions (based on real empherical evidence) are not credible. Infact, what is not credible is his argument why these questions are not relevant.

Two of the links are hosted by the radio presenter Alex Jones, because the original sources are no longer published anywhere else on the net (strange that), such as Associated Press & Fox News.

He said "There's no point in engaging with people like you".
> Well then , don't.

The questions again:

1). Why have none of the drivers of the 3 trains that were involved that day been interviewed, named or honoured. On the contrary, the driver of the Piccadilly Line train, Tom Nairn, was refused compensation on the grounds that the 'police had no record of him'.
Ref:  http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2006/01/london-77-information-event-horizon.html

2). Why did Scotland Yard deny that a second controlled explosion occurred on the Number 30 bus?

3). Why did the £100 million spent on Operation Theseus fail to establish the nature of the explosives used on 7 July 2005? Ref:  http://j7truth.blogspot.com/2009/05/nature-of-explosives-from-c4-to.html
Why were mobile detonators reported to have been found on the trains?

4). Why is there evidence that the bomb which detonated at Edgware Road was underneath the train?
(several eye witnesses gave that account).

5). Why is there a mysterious lack of cctv footage at any of the tube locations, but more so, from the no.30 bus which was bombed? What explanation is there for the fact that Stagecoach bus employees claimed that a different group of contractors inspected the CCTV cameras in the days before the bombings and that they took two entire days to carry out tasks which normally take just hours to complete? Ref:  http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/150705busbombing.htm

6). The mysterious witness statement of a man named Richard Jones who was on the bombed No.30 bus who said he got off the bus shortly before it exploded gave a very misleading description of the bomber ie: his description of the clothing and facial characteristics of the person he claimed had the backpack bomb on the bus - didn't corroborate with clothing or facial likeness (colour of skin) of the alleged bomber Hasib Hussain.

7). How did Mossad have advance knowledge of the bombs?



wm