I pretty much agree with everything. Except that, as I point out in the other thread, that there is a lot of speculation regarding Basra. The guys who were caught were so obviously SAS only an idiot would have sent them out to do anything clandestine.

At any rate, I'm just hoping that the US have to retreat and that Iraq sorts itself out and refuses to pay the US a single cent back. In fact, it should be suing them for reparations.

Kurt, you have repeatedly made these allegations without evidence at all. Plus you say "Even a dullard, armed with the appropriate search criteria and Google, can put two and two together in short order and discover that much of the terrorism in Northern Ireland was orchestrated by FRU and the British government, including the despicable “human bomb” technique, that is to say “forcing civilians to drive vehicles laden with explosives into army checkpoints,” according to the Guardian. " Provide a source for that please as it was the IRA that did human bombs not the army. Secondly look at the equipment carried by the SAS soldiers in Basra photos of it were shown on IM, where is th explosives? Where? Why are they carrying western equipment if they want to appear as insurgents?
 http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0510/S00052.htm

Car bombs are manufactured from unused artillery munitions where are they in these piccies or where are the plies of home made explosives?
Why are they carrying western equipment if they are posing as insurgents?

To stop yourself prattling on and regurgitating the same old crap about this and other incidents just answer the questions alternatively keep up with the conspiracy crap and fantasise without producing evidence!

Arthur,

I always hoped you were a rather charming ex-soldier called Murray who I introduced to IM. Now you are posting in support of a sordid Military Intelligence infiltrator who happens to be posting here at exactly the same time with exactly the same opinions under a variety of aliases. If it is you Murray, then send me an email or post one of my emails to you here. If that doesn't happen, I have to assume you are the same [NAME REMOVED] who has been fucking up this wire under false identities since 'day one'.

I am not against the army. I supported the Scottish Regiments campaign. I am against Military Intelligence messing with the last refuge of a free and independent press. So ask yourself, given the British Army death rate in Iraq which side are you on ?

Either way I know that you know who I am and what I am talking about.

Danny

I am not a 'plant' or whatever you think I am my name is not [removed]. Try answering the questions that I put in my post instead of hurling the most unbalanced of accusations, then we can have a sensible debate. Or can you/Kurt/Citizen Smith/Meinhof not actually answer them? If so you had perhaps best stick to making unfounded conspiracy allegations about the SAS in Basra.

"Try answering the questions that I put in my post"

I already had answered them - you are easy to anticiapte.

"Provide a source for that please as it was the IRA that did human bombs not the army."

I already did -  http://www.sundayherald.com/analysis/analysis/display.var.1152814.0.0.php

"Secondly look at the equipment carried by the SAS soldiers in Basra photos of it were shown on IM, where is th explosives? Where? "

I can tell you where it is not - it is not an Basra court of law. and I already explained why not, because it would incriminate the army.

"Why are they carrying western equipment if they want to appear as insurgents?"

Why were they dressed as arabs if they didn't ?

By the way, Kurt is a US blogger, someone (not me) simply reposted him. Some of his blogs are nonsense imo, at least I won't defend them, some, like ths one, contain more than a shred of truth. More truthful than your response at least.

I will simplify it for you.
1. You claimed that your reference mentioned the use of 'human bombs' in Northern Ireland by the UK military. Er where exactly was that in that Sunday Herald article? All it mentioned was an anonymous source JB who did not actually mention the ops he had carried out. The IRA had a tactic in the 1990's of forcing people to deliver car bombs to check points by threatening their families. In at least one attack in 1990 they detonated the device by remote whilst the driver was still driving it, killing him and five soldiers. Yet you claimed this was a British tactic, how? When? Where in your source does it say such a thing?

2. The Basra thing. I provided an example of the photographs of the soldier’s equipment that was taken and displayed on Al Jazeera and other media channels. Clearly all equipment is western and there are no explosives on display. Yet without any evidence you stick to the claim that they were in a vehicle rigged with explosives. You justified this (as opposed to supplying evidence hence it is merely your opinion) by saying the SAS must have been planting bombs hence that is why they were rescued. A more plausible reason might be that they were in the hands of hostile militia/Iraqi police and so rather than leave them to their tender mercies the army rescued them instead. It makes more sense that they were engaged in surveillance and captured by militia/Iraqi police rather than planning a car bombing, after which presumably these two white guys carrying western equipment and guns would have escaped on foot back through Basra to the army camp whilst their car bomb exploded? Oh yes and the militia responsible the Mahdi militia (Al Sadr) in their own statement as well as accusing the brits of planting bombs actually said 'their' police were responsible for 'arresting' the SAS guys. There has been loads in the media about such collusion on behalf of the IP with Sadr and the militia themselves admit to it.

Just answer:

1. The whole 'human bomb' thing in Northern Ireland, hint you will need a source that actually mentions it?

2. Where are the explosives the SAS were planting?

3. If the SAS wanted to carry out an 'insurgent' bombing why did they not carry AK’S?

Hiya Richard ( Simon, Arthur, Kune Kune, Spook-Plant etc)

"You claimed that your reference mentioned the use of 'human bombs' in Northern Ireland by the UK military."

No I didn't. Kurt Nimmo did. Then the IM spook ( ie you ) rushed to rubbish him. I merely posted information that supports his basic claims, that MI5/6 have been proven to murder innocents for political ends.

Now if you want to rubbish the Sunday Herald article too, I can understand why. They have a proud history of bold journalism that has been a thorn in your flesh for quite sometime. Apart from being the first mainstream newspaper to expose the machinations of the PNAC lies pre-Iraq, they have also given voice to many hidden facts in Northern Ireland. But those journalists win awards, those journalists attract defectors, they have files upon your previous activities. And what credibility do you have ? You can't even maintain a name from one post to the other.

"I provided an example of the photographs of the soldier’s equipment that was taken and displayed on Al Jazeera and other media channels."

You provided that example did you ? Why did you call yourself Arthur a moment ago then ? Multiple personality syndrome ? Keep taking the pills Richard, and keep trying to build a false consensus. Imbecile.

I suppose I should be flattered by your expose of me as 'the IM plant' . Is dp your name? No? Mine is none of the above either oh and thanks for answering the questions I posed and addressing the issues I raised. Yes I agree the Sunday Herald have done a good job exposing the PNAC as the PNAC were very active in 1970's Northern Ireland obviously.(The period mentioned in Nimmo's article).

dp is that your name?

"I suppose I should be flattered by your expose of me as 'the IM plant' ."


you aren't just the IM plant, let me credit you with also being the TP plant.

"Is dp your name? No? "

You know. Don't be shy, expose me too the way I've exposed you. I'm happy to post under one name if you do likewise.

"Mine is none of the above either oh and thanks for answering the questions I posed and addressing the issues I raised."

I admit I don't know your real name but I do know your given name, [NAME REMOVED]. I don't know your rank but I'm guessing not too high.


"Yes I agree the Sunday Herald have done a good job exposing the PNAC as the PNAC were very active in 1970's Northern Ireland obviously.(The period mentioned in Nimmo's article)."

The credit for the PNAC expose in the Sunday Herald was an aside for casual readers. It's nice that you should try to distract from the issue once again for tha simply proves my point and fits your normal 'modus operandi', or simply put your means of conducting your business here. Now the Sunday Herlad do hav an excellent record of exposing Ulsters dirty little secrets - anyone who read the second last issue would have witnessed them boasting about that quite rightly. And their lastest expose stands unchallenged factually - all you can do is try to distract.


Taking Aim,
I am bit uptight at times for reasons I hope you now appreciate. I took a pot-shot at you last week on a IM spying thread which I fully apologise for now. I think the fact I was the first one to ask for that post to be hidden should count for something. Thank you for taking the time to read through the various overly verbose threads and coming to a sound decision despite that, unless you are just judging on a hunch in which case I still thank you for your luck in choosing right. Basic rule of thumb applies, if someone posting on an Indymedia site in support of an establishment position, doubt them either as spies or fools.

I can prove that this guy is a spy masquerading as multiple posters, but I can't prove I am not a spy except by promising never to recruit here (again) as I have lived to regret, and by never posting under a different identity on any thread until they / he starts usurping my name (again) for discreditable posts. In which case I'll just change names again.

MI5/ Mr Magoo/ Spook-Plant,

as the Sun would say, 'Gotcha'

Sorry for being overly careful, - not paranoid- but can anyone confirm this URL is genuine ?
 http://takingaimradio.com/shows/audio.html

If it is then I would like to speak to you about my ongoing experiences nad troubles as an activist here. I am pretty strong, my family is strong, but this shouldn't be permtted to hppen to anyone weaker. I can see why people break in the face of this abuse.

Some IMC'ers use irc:  http://chat.indymedia.org/ see the uk channel, this might be a good way for you to raise your concerns...

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Please stop spamming threads with allegations, smears and other non news. This is a newswire and not a bulletin board.

"Please stop spamming threads with allegations, smears and other non news. "

Okay, I'll just stop posting on this this IM. I know the name of one person with admin rights who shouldn't have but I haven't said who or why as that would be a 'smear'. I wouldn't even have mentioned Richard again if it wasn't for the two featured articles "MI6 Iran Disinfo: The Prelude to War?" and "Indymedia and British Intelligence Services". That I know an MI operative was posting Iran disinfo here and recognised him doing it seemed pretty relevant. If you complain about MI disinformation in the mainstream maybe you should hide comments that are obvious MI disinformation here ? I never spam and try never to post non-news - that's a smear that is! If I do get caught up in a 'tiff' I'm fine with it being hidden and always donate money at that point for the extra effort it takes you.

Since you are paying attention I went into a local RBOS yesterday where I've donated from previously
only to be told they can't transfer money to Account number: 03194700 Sort code: 16-58-10 as it is an invalid sort code - have your account details changed recently or any idea why this would happen ?

dp, I have posted on IM as both Arthur and Simon I use the latter much less as someone else recently uses Simon as well from now on I will be called Arthur. Apologies for any confusion or distress I may have caused. You claim to know of a spook at work in IMC well it is not me but believe what you want. Many of the people who post here are students; it would be child’s play to recruit them as informers if special branch or whoever wanted to as students tend to be skint however I honestly do not think that such a move would be contemplated by the state as IMC is hardly a threat to national security. I listened to the 'taking aim' radio show and all it did was regurgitate the same allegations. It did not address the issues I have raised namely if these SAS guys were planting a car bomb why they had western equipment and no explosives in the car. There are photos of their equipment on the web. It also mentions the tragic death of Stephen Vincent. Vincent was murdered after speaking out about the infiltration of the Basra police by the Mahdi militia. Unwittingly the radio programme actually strengthened the 'official' position re the SAS. By mentioning that a third party (Vincent) had prove of rogue Iraqi police units and was subsequently murdered by such elements it gives credence to the claim that the Brits were up against such people. Of course that was not the intention of the radio hosts who suggested that Vincent was murdered by the brits. The radio hosts also referred to the Mahdi militia as 'legitimate resistance'. That gives a good indication as to how impartial we could expect their programme to be, also they never addressed the fact that the SAS guys had no explosives and were carrying western equipment. Anyway I am not a spook and apologise if you thought I was somehow out to get you.

This is off topic and would be better raised on the private contact list,  imc-uk-contact@lists.indymedia.org or, as has been suggested above, in irc.

The Bank details haven't changed, other people have standing orders using these details, I've no idea what the problem could be, more info:

 https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkNetworkAccount

I noticed you when you first started posting here, and forgive me for saying yet again you do seem to have a special interest in military stories, I did assume you were an ex-soldier. However, as I was trying to recruit military families to the anti-war movement at the time and had invited some of them here I assumed you were someone I knew who writes like you, a decent and distinguished ex-soldier called Murray who is against this war. Since that isn't you, and since you did adopt two names on the one thread, I jumped to the conclusion you were the Military Intelligence agent I've been referring to ( and who I can prove is MI simply from his IM posts and his emails to me ). Mostly identifying you as him is down to the fact when news of the arrests of the two British soldiers first appeared on this newswire, the first person to rubbish the report of possible cross-border activities was the agent. I subsequently met him, took him to the camp I have mentioned, and have regretted that ever since. I am willing to provide more details and evidence to anyone but they'd be hidden as a 'smear' here so I won't - an email address i use is easy to search for if anyone wants further details. That agents previous posts do align with your views on that subject, plus his favourite tactic is to post under multiple names on the one thread. I can normally identify him since I am very familiar with his views, his writing style. I've also developed software for a different forum that indicates anonymous posters from their spelling mistakes via posting times. It is just indicative but it helps a great deal that I know when this agent has access to the net - I've been keeping tabs on him since he threatened my family. I would like to add although someone accused me of spamming and smearing - an IM'er ? - I did so at some personal risk because I believe the IM model is needed more than ever.

I would advise Arthur, or anyone, to stick to the one name and be as up front as possible - without incriminating yourself. I would also advise IM to allow people to login if they choose to while keeping the anonymous posts - it separates the people who can maintain an identity from those who can't. I also suggest those of you who know each other and set this place up consider a mini-purge of admin-rights and recruit new admins from your own long-term friends and families. I appreciate the FAO:dp link but I don't want to become involved in the backroom stuff (it's bitchy enough out front).

Arthur, on the Iran story - well I just disagree with you. Although I won't defend the Nimmo story ( I only posted my Iran links under it to avoid starting a new thread) I do expect that British forces have been 'active' over the border. The captured British soldiers may not be proof of that, but their subsequent jailbreak and lack of an investigation is highly suspicious. I 'd say the 'smoking gun' is the fact there were no terrorist attacks in Khuzestan before the British took over in south east Iraq. And that British military forces have a long history of this sort of thing. I am close friends with Iranian refugees from the mullahs and they agree with me - they want their country rid of theocracy but not at the price of their relatives lives, not at the price Iraq has paid. Anyway, since i won't be posting here (and since you are partially to blame ;-) then please treat each piece of Iran disinfo that appears here with suspicion on my behalf. It looks like a new war is imminent and it seems even more difficult to stop it, short of killing Blair.

ahimsa,