Australia Complicit in CIA Bali Bombings: Community
Parrot Press | 22.12.2006 02:10 | Anti-militarism | Health | Repression | World
[There is] no doubt whatsoever of the CIA's involvement and the complicity of the Australian goverment and that view is shared by us and by our counterparts in Indonesia.
Community blame the CIA
Fear
Australian Federal Police (AFP) Commissioner Mick Keelty says he is still convinced Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir is the mastermind behind the Bali bombings, despite his convictions being quashed.
However, many in the Australian and Indonesian Community blame the CIA, and the War Criminal John Howard the coward in their complicity in the horrific bombings of the Sari Club and Paddy's Bar in Bali, on October 12, 2002, which considerably strengthened the hand of the Coalition of the Killing in pursuing their War on Terror.
Here was an opportunity to harden the hearts of the Australian and US public against Islamic fundamentalists.
A judicial review of the spiritual leader's case by Indonesia's Supreme Court has found Bashir innocent of the 2002 Bali bombing and the attack on Jakarta's Marriott Hotel a year later.
No Insight into his offending behaviour
But Commissioner 'Guilty' says the case was always circumstantial, but Bashir is guilty.
But [There is] no doubt whatsoever of the CIA's involvement and the complicity of the Australian government and that view is shared by us and by our counterparts in Indonesia.
As much as this is a disappointment for many people, particularly the families, it's also a disappointment for the community who've worked so hard on this case and, as I say, continue to work on this case today.
The community says that the case against the CIA and the Australian authorities would not have been difficult to prove in an Australian court if John Howard's ABC didn't lie to the Australian public.
The people we have to think about here are the victims and reassure the victims that we will do everything we possibly can in terms of the law enforcement role, to bring the real perpetrators to justice.
We're not confident the Indonesian National Police have done exactly the same.
Flopposition Leader Kevin Rudd also denies the Indonesian Supreme Court's ruling and the CIA bombings as well as Australia's complicity in the bombings and that is very bad for the victims of the 2002 Bali bombings and for all Australians.
The community says the war criminal John Howard should be charged with war crimes against humanity and sent to Hague criminal court for trial and should not be allowed to roam free.
We have always had very deep concerns about the ongoing role of war criminal John Howard in Australia and the continued support he will give to militant war criminals in the USA in their campaign of terrorism.
Not just against Australian interests, but more broadly across the International community, against all interests.
Victims' reactions
Melbourne man Spike Stewart lost his son Anthony in the 2002 attack and he should have said that he is disgusted with decision not to charge John Howard for war crimes.
He also should have said it was important for those affected by the bombing to have the perpetrators held responsible.
He was not charged; he was not put in jail, now he'll probably keep on killing people.
He just cannot believe that they've not locked him up and should have said he's guilty of [sin], it's disgusting.
The father of 20-year-old bombing victim Corey Paltridge should have said this is a disgrace.
Perth man Kevin Paltridge should have said that it makes the recovery process very difficult.
It just seems to go on and on and on, once again Christmas is coming up and you've got thoughts of another Christmas without our son.
We just had the anniversary again and then we had his birthday and now it's Christmas, it just never ends.
The father of Adelaide Bali bombing victim Josh Deegan says he is not surprised the court quashed the conviction.
Former magistrate Brian Deegan should have said he lost faith in the USA and the complicit Australian Government years ago.
On the one hand it's just an empty feeling.
I gave up years ago that I would ever truly understand whether or not justice was truly going to be achieved."
A member of the Coogee Dolphins rugby league team who was in Bali on the night of the 2002 bombings should have said he is angry with the CIA and the complicit Australian government.
Six of Erik de Haart's team-mates were killed in the Bali nightclub bombings.
He should have said he cannot understand the logic behind the CIA and Australian complicity.
I just think it smacks of double standards.
The prosecutors go on about all the Indonesians, the Bali nine and Schapelle Corby, how their sentences were not enough and yet they have killed nobody.
Yet no one seems to make a noise from the USA and Australia with all the criminals, and when they don't even get charged. It's totally bewildering.
Gold Coast survivor of the 2002 bombings Glen Cosman should have said he does not believe John Howard should be running the country.
I think it's wrong when he's killing Australians, when all of the evidence is certainly there that he is the prime minister of Australia.
So certainly he's up to [his] eyes in knowing the CIA bombers and I think he is certainly responsible.
Related:
Australia's Terrorism Wake Up Call [164]
The horrific bombings of the Sari Club and Paddy's Bar in Bali, on October 12, 2002, considerably strengthened the hand of the CoW in pursuing the War on Terror. Here was an opportunity to harden the hearts of the Australian and US public against Islamic fundamentalists. It was also a chance for the Indonesian government to justify harsh measures in the war against terrorists and secessionists, such at those in the province of Aceh.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/107756.php
hoWARd, will keep chilling you!
All this nonsense to hide the fact that the Bali bombing was not State Sanctioned Terror when it clearly was in relation to the explosive used in the second Bali bomb blast in 2002 which was clearly military hardware.
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/9465
hoWARd's connections with the abc in Australia and abroad
So you have to have a story behind it to make up for the distance between false flag opps in Indonesia all the way across to Iraq and Afghanistan that's a huge leap to cover without a terror tale to hook into? What about the Icon of the Terror movement G W Bush? At least we know he's guilty! Osama bin Laden hasn't been found guilty of anything, yo!] And Indonesia has been blowing up bombs in their own country just to move people out of villages for years!]
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/130751.php
Mercy for murderers
Every family member of a 'victim' must feel this way. So when you think of the innocent victims in Bali then also think of the innocent victims in Iraq and Afghanistan the very reason for Bali.
http://scotland.indymedia.org/newswire/display/2078/index.php
However, many in the Australian and Indonesian Community blame the CIA, and the War Criminal John Howard the coward in their complicity in the horrific bombings of the Sari Club and Paddy's Bar in Bali, on October 12, 2002, which considerably strengthened the hand of the Coalition of the Killing in pursuing their War on Terror.
Here was an opportunity to harden the hearts of the Australian and US public against Islamic fundamentalists.
A judicial review of the spiritual leader's case by Indonesia's Supreme Court has found Bashir innocent of the 2002 Bali bombing and the attack on Jakarta's Marriott Hotel a year later.
No Insight into his offending behaviour
But Commissioner 'Guilty' says the case was always circumstantial, but Bashir is guilty.
But [There is] no doubt whatsoever of the CIA's involvement and the complicity of the Australian government and that view is shared by us and by our counterparts in Indonesia.
As much as this is a disappointment for many people, particularly the families, it's also a disappointment for the community who've worked so hard on this case and, as I say, continue to work on this case today.
The community says that the case against the CIA and the Australian authorities would not have been difficult to prove in an Australian court if John Howard's ABC didn't lie to the Australian public.
The people we have to think about here are the victims and reassure the victims that we will do everything we possibly can in terms of the law enforcement role, to bring the real perpetrators to justice.
We're not confident the Indonesian National Police have done exactly the same.
Flopposition Leader Kevin Rudd also denies the Indonesian Supreme Court's ruling and the CIA bombings as well as Australia's complicity in the bombings and that is very bad for the victims of the 2002 Bali bombings and for all Australians.
The community says the war criminal John Howard should be charged with war crimes against humanity and sent to Hague criminal court for trial and should not be allowed to roam free.
We have always had very deep concerns about the ongoing role of war criminal John Howard in Australia and the continued support he will give to militant war criminals in the USA in their campaign of terrorism.
Not just against Australian interests, but more broadly across the International community, against all interests.
Victims' reactions
Melbourne man Spike Stewart lost his son Anthony in the 2002 attack and he should have said that he is disgusted with decision not to charge John Howard for war crimes.
He also should have said it was important for those affected by the bombing to have the perpetrators held responsible.
He was not charged; he was not put in jail, now he'll probably keep on killing people.
He just cannot believe that they've not locked him up and should have said he's guilty of [sin], it's disgusting.
The father of 20-year-old bombing victim Corey Paltridge should have said this is a disgrace.
Perth man Kevin Paltridge should have said that it makes the recovery process very difficult.
It just seems to go on and on and on, once again Christmas is coming up and you've got thoughts of another Christmas without our son.
We just had the anniversary again and then we had his birthday and now it's Christmas, it just never ends.
The father of Adelaide Bali bombing victim Josh Deegan says he is not surprised the court quashed the conviction.
Former magistrate Brian Deegan should have said he lost faith in the USA and the complicit Australian Government years ago.
On the one hand it's just an empty feeling.
I gave up years ago that I would ever truly understand whether or not justice was truly going to be achieved."
A member of the Coogee Dolphins rugby league team who was in Bali on the night of the 2002 bombings should have said he is angry with the CIA and the complicit Australian government.
Six of Erik de Haart's team-mates were killed in the Bali nightclub bombings.
He should have said he cannot understand the logic behind the CIA and Australian complicity.
I just think it smacks of double standards.
The prosecutors go on about all the Indonesians, the Bali nine and Schapelle Corby, how their sentences were not enough and yet they have killed nobody.
Yet no one seems to make a noise from the USA and Australia with all the criminals, and when they don't even get charged. It's totally bewildering.
Gold Coast survivor of the 2002 bombings Glen Cosman should have said he does not believe John Howard should be running the country.
I think it's wrong when he's killing Australians, when all of the evidence is certainly there that he is the prime minister of Australia.
So certainly he's up to [his] eyes in knowing the CIA bombers and I think he is certainly responsible.
Related:
Australia's Terrorism Wake Up Call [164]
The horrific bombings of the Sari Club and Paddy's Bar in Bali, on October 12, 2002, considerably strengthened the hand of the CoW in pursuing the War on Terror. Here was an opportunity to harden the hearts of the Australian and US public against Islamic fundamentalists. It was also a chance for the Indonesian government to justify harsh measures in the war against terrorists and secessionists, such at those in the province of Aceh.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/107756.php hoWARd, will keep chilling you!
All this nonsense to hide the fact that the Bali bombing was not State Sanctioned Terror when it clearly was in relation to the explosive used in the second Bali bomb blast in 2002 which was clearly military hardware.
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/9465 hoWARd's connections with the abc in Australia and abroad
So you have to have a story behind it to make up for the distance between false flag opps in Indonesia all the way across to Iraq and Afghanistan that's a huge leap to cover without a terror tale to hook into? What about the Icon of the Terror movement G W Bush? At least we know he's guilty! Osama bin Laden hasn't been found guilty of anything, yo!] And Indonesia has been blowing up bombs in their own country just to move people out of villages for years!]
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/130751.php Mercy for murderers
Every family member of a 'victim' must feel this way. So when you think of the innocent victims in Bali then also think of the innocent victims in Iraq and Afghanistan the very reason for Bali.
http://scotland.indymedia.org/newswire/display/2078/index.php
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Australia's Terrorism Wake Up Call
22.12.2006 02:40
Prime Minister John Howard says he understands families who lost loved ones in the 2002 Bali bombings will be upset by the decision of Indonesia's Supreme Court to quash the conviction of Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir.
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Don't get upset over a preacher and a teacher who was just the scapegoat but get upset over the perpetrators the CIA and the co conspirator John Howard the war criminal coward!
Parrot Press
Bashir praises 'brave' court
22.12.2006 03:22
Bashir ruling upsetting for victims' families: PM?
Prime Minister John Howard says he understands families who lost loved ones in the 2002 Bali bombings will be upset by the decision of Indonesia's Supreme Court to quash the conviction of Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir.
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Don't get upset over a preacher and a teacher who was just the scapegoat but get upset over the perpetrators the CIA and the co conspirator John Howard the war criminal coward!
Parrot Press
is this serious?
22.12.2006 15:59
eventually, you'll have to face reality. Christ, they have people on tape taking credit for terrorist attacks and you still try to turn it into a conspiracy. Is it just fun for you, or do you actually believe the crap that flies onto this site?
I'm seriously asking.
btw, lay off the LSD. it's making you paranoid.
doug
Three Possible Truths For 911 and 1012
24.12.2006 21:44
Since mere citizens are denied access to the deep data held within government agencies, and have to glean what they can from crumbs of information that emerge after thirty or forty years, people are forced to speculate about the truth. All we citizens can ever have are notions of what might really have happened, covering steps 1 through 7 on the Truth Scale. We are never permitted to know the information that would enable us to confirm the 0 or 8 steps.
For the 911 atrocity, and also for the 1012 bombing in Bali, there are three possible truths.
Muslim extremists, who hate the West, were responsible, as told in the official truth. In the case of 1012 the official truth has been played out in an Indonesian court, with accused who have admitted their guilt. The latter touch considerably increases the authenticity of the official truth in the eyes of those who don't look too hard.
Elements within the US government staged 911 and framed Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. The CIA, as is widely believed in Asia, were behind the Bali bombing. (But how does that explain the admissions of Amrozi and the alleged involvement of Jemaah Islamiyah? See the segment on the Bali bombings below.)
Both 911 and 1012 were joint operations between governments, much like the Normandy landings. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is a possible line of citizens inquiry, and quite legitimate. Within this possibility, the US and Saudi governments colluded with regard to 911, and Osama bin Laden was part of the plot. The US had bought his loyalty long ago, in Afghanistan during the Russian occupation. In the case of 1012, the US, Indonesian and Australian governments colluded to spur public reaction and support for the War on Terror.
The second possible truth seems improbable to many people. This is particularly the case in respect of 1012, because there are people like Amrozi who have admitted guilt, and who face the death penalty. Although the third possible truth seems even more fanciful to most, it actually removes the issues around Osama bin Laden and Amrozi. If they were part of a joint operation by elements of the OWO, they could be expected to convey the impression that they were solely to blame, as Muslim terrorists, and that the CoW is, therefore, waging a just war on defenceless people in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries to come.
What needs to be remembered, when grappling with the enormity of the betrayal inherent in both of the second and third of the possible truths, is this. In the War on Witches, up to a million people were cruelly tortured and executed. But, as even a ten year old child could tell you today, just by basic reasoning, there were no witches in medieval Europe. None.
The Inquisition and the War on Witches were instruments used by the faltering Medieval World Order to contain change and maintain their power and control. The "witches" that the Roman church persecuted to further its own ends, were a fiction. The people who died during the terror of the Inquisition were real enough, but the threat they posed was conjured up to preserve an old, and unequal, way of life.
Today, the systems of government and state control are global. There is every reason to expect that government and industrial elites might mount another witch-hunt, to retain power for a little longer. There are already active secessionist movements in Indonesia, and the Australian government, as argued earlier, faces the same potential, as new technologies erode its relevance. While it is not yet possible for ordinary people in Indonesia and Australia to know definitely, that there is collusion between their central governments - step 8 on the Truth Scale - there are sound reasons to examine and discuss this possibility.
Nuclear Demolition Munitions - An Evil Madness Continues
The design and construction of nuclear munitions does not qualify as 'science' or 'technology'. It is insanity. Daniel Quinn has shown that the absolute need to conquer and exterminate all possible rivals, the need to 'conquer' the land, and to bend nature to the rule of man, all derive from core taker thinking. Takers always fear attack because their own philosophy is one of growing rich and powerful through attacks, whether military or economic. Takers progress by either killing or enslaving 'them', 'the ones who are not with us.' Conversely, takers live is constant fear of attack from competitors for the scarce energy and resources of planet Earth. They build vast armouries of increasingly dreadful weapons to deploy against 'the other side'. When there are no evident enemies to fear - no 'other side' - taker states and their media machines will quickly invent some. Takers then use such contrived 'threats' to justify their own growing stockpiles of WMDs.
Conspiracy Theories And The Truth Scale
Full information is the key to knowing whether any argument or theory is true or false. You would know whether a companion animal is named Spot, or not, if you named it. You would have complete information about the question of what the animal's name is, and how it came to be so called. But what about someone else who does not know you or your dog? Since they lack any relevant information they cannot be sure whether the name is Spot, of something else. If they are given a clue, say by the initial S on the animal's collar, a stranger can begin to move from a position of complete uncertainty, halfway between absolute truth and absolute falsity, to a position on a scale that is closer to the name Spot being true than to it being false. The diagram below shows such a Truth Scale, that can be used to reflect degrees of certainty or uncertainty about a statement, assertion, theory, or notion.
In the diagram, zero is absolute falsity and 8 is absolute truth. Only those in full possession of all the relevant facts and information can know whether an assertion, such as "The dog's name is Spot", fits at 0 or at 8. Everyone else has either to: (a) accept the truth of the statement, without any real basis for doing so, or (b) fit the statement into the scale that bridges the range of probabilities between 0 and 8. If there is no other information, the fit should be Step 4. There is an equal probability of the statement being true or false. The notion is "half authentic".
Lothar