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Don't believe the hype!- 9/11 Truth Debunked

various | 13.07.2006 11:47

The linked site is collection of examinations of the various claims of the so-called 9/11 Truth movement, various documents and witness testimonies.

I found this document that deconstructs the woefully selective and inaccurate Loose Change 2 particularly informative.

 http://tinyurl.com/epp82

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This guide is meant to be a companion to, not a substitute for, the video itself. For one thing, I had to greatly reduce the resolution of the video screenshots in this document in order to keep the file size manageable. The video looks a lot better. “Loose Change Second Edition” is available as a free bittorrent download, as a Google Video stream, and for purchase from the Loose Change website. The creators of Loose Change also have an internet forum where you can discuss the video and 9/11 conspiracy-related issues. I encourage you to sign up there and let them know how you feel about their efforts.

Fittingly, this is the second edition of this critique. The first was done in six long nights, because I wanted to hand copies of it to the creators of “Loose Change” when they were in New York to protest the premiere of the movie “United 93” on April 25, 2006. Because that version was written in the heat of the moment, it contained more obvious anger and sarcasm directed towards the creators of Loose Change. That anger hasn’t abated, but cooler heads than mine have convinced me that cutting down on the “cutting” remarks should help me get my points across more effectively.

The text transcription of the video is not mine, and I have not corrected typos in it. With a few small exceptions, it is a verbatim transcription of “Loose Change’s” narration.

I have incorporated additions and deletions suggested by several people who read the first draft. I am especially indebted to Mike at 911myths.com, who took the time, unsolicited, to suggest additions and corrections. I think his site is by far the best source on the internet for evenhanded examination of controversial issues surrounding the terrorist attacks.

The comments and opinions in red on these pages are mine only and do not represent the opinions of the creators of “Loose Change” or Louder Than Words, LLC. I am not supported by, and do not represent, any group or organization, and I have no political or financial interest in these matters.

I put this document together for several reasons:

1.To promote understanding of the facts about the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and to discourage relying on rumor and conjecture when searching for the “truth.”

2.Because I believe that “Loose Change” is an influential introduction for many people to 9/11 conspiracy issues.

3.To encourage respect for the victims, living and dead, of the 9/11 attacks.

My comments and analysis are mostly restricted to the issues raised by the video. At the end of this document are links to websites with in-depth analyses of 9/11 conspiracy theories, as well as links to the “official” version of events and to other analyses by experts and laymen.

Also at the end of this document is a summary of the numbers and types of errors that I found in “Loose Change.” Not every error was noted or commented on in the transcription section, nor does every comment I made there count as an “error” in my tallies. And no, I didn’t count typos in the transcript as errors.

To keep you from jumping to the end, I’ll tell you now that in this hour and twenty-minute video I counted 81 errors of fact (statements like “1+1 = 3”). In addition, I counted 345 instances of conjecture not supported by evidence, logical fallacies, uses of images that do not support the conclusions being drawn, and other flubs. And that’s only counting errors of commission. The errors of omission are more serious. (Note: I have turned up more errors while doing this update, but I find it too depressing to count them.)
I welcome any well-researched corrections to my statements and will incorporate them into this document (after checking them out!). Submit constructive criticism to  itmatters@mail.com.

various
- Homepage: http://911getthefacts.blogspot.com/

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Perhaps the final edition will be better...

13.07.2006 12:11

Sheffield Indymedia isn't screening Loose Change in it's film festival because of inconsistancies in it:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2006/05/341703.html

However on issues such as the controlled demolition of the 3 skyscraper Loose Change does it it right, see this paper for more on this:

 http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Also this film has been mentioned on this site before:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2006/05/340879.html

Loose Change Final Edition is due out in September, hopefully they will have fixed some of the problems with it...

sheffer
- Homepage: http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/


911myths.com

13.07.2006 12:37

Has some interesting stuff on it, I thought this quote was great:

"Finally let me say that although I have not done any calculations for other WTC structures, the collapse of WTC7 is a problem! I say this mainly because WTC7 was not hit by an aircraft; therefore I admit it is very suprising that this high-rise building should have collapsed without being subject to an aircraft impact."

 http://911myths.com/Energy_Transfer_Addendum.pdf

But at the end of the day most of the stuff on 911myths.com is even more far fetched than the official conspiracy theory and this is crazy compared with things like the analysis of the physics of the collapse.

911myths science has been disussed on this site before, for example:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2006/05/341703.html?c=on#c151164

shadowplay


Wow!

13.07.2006 12:41

Speedreaders at IM now!

various


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Thank God

13.07.2006 13:18

Another 9-11 post - thanks God. We haven't had nearly enough recently on the newswire.

I just hope all this interest in 9-11 won't distract regulars from the important Indymedia task of speading anti-semitism .

Tommy Thermite


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13.07.2006 14:37

Steve Jones is an unqualified crank who has already been shot down in flames.

The only they could improve Loose Change is by deleting it an offering an apology for it being total fantasy.

The Child Catcher


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Focus Is Interesting

13.07.2006 14:48

It's interesting how many such articles supporters of Bush/PNAC and defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory create, instead of just trying to find the still-missing key, compelling and independently-originating and verifiable evidence which would exist - and be forthcoming - if the Conspiracy Theory they're defending, the singular act upon which the LIARS and War Criminals they support have launched their long-planned, totalitarian agenda of military aggression - were true ...

Five years after the fact.

911 = PNAC, CIA, Mossad


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Shut up Jordan and read:

13.07.2006 15:00

Your GP


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You Shut Up And Read, Plant

13.07.2006 17:27

I think that's what he was saying:

It's interesting how many such articles supporters of Bush/PNAC and defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory create, instead of just trying to find the still-missing key, compelling and independently-originating and verifiable evidence which would exist - and be forthcoming - if the Conspiracy Theory they're defending, the singular act upon which the LIARS and War Criminals they support have launched their long-planned, totalitarian agenda of military aggression - were true ...

Five years after the fact.

Put up or shut up, Plant.

911=PNAc, CIA, Mossad


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Ner ner ner ner ner! Rasperberry.

13.07.2006 17:35

Fuck off loon.

Plant


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Sigh!

14.07.2006 07:30

Again, the por-conspiracy loons are allowed to be as abusive and disruptive as they like... get a grip admins.

Robert
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Put Up Or Shut Up

14.07.2006 15:34

It's interesting that apologists for Bush/PNAC, and defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory - the sole fable upon which these Neo-Fascists have launched their long-planned military agenda - spend so much time creating this material, but can't seem to produce the still-missing, compelling and independently-originating and verifiable evidence which would exist - and be forthcoming - if the Theory were true.

Five years after the fact ...

Bush/PNAC The Wild Conspiracy Nuts


Double dare you

14.07.2006 17:57

The moon is made of cheese. Now either prove that it isn't or shup up.

Danny


Strike Three, Plant

16.07.2006 21:52

It's interesting that apologists for Bush/PNAC, and defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory - the sole fable upon which these Neo-Fascists have launched their long-planned military agenda - spend so much time creating this material, but can't seem to produce the still-missing, compelling and independently-originating and verifiable evidence which would exist - and be forthcoming - if the Theory were true.

Five years after the fact ...

911 = PNAC, CIA, Mossad


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911 = PNAC, CIA, Mossad

20.07.2006 08:42

Fuck off you disruptive little shit!

Jordan Thornton


Hey Jordan

20.07.2006 16:12

Post us an item on one of your actions please!

Inactivist


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