Justifying actions of others soon to be illegal.
rebound | 05.08.2005 13:58
Tony wishes to make it illegal to justify suicide bombings and, as such remove any debate as to their validity. Suicide bombings are abhored by our society because they remove the possibility and hence 'satisfaction' to punish those who perpetrate the act. It goes against our societies (and my) idea and tenet that there is something greater than life itself.
However suicide as protest is not new as demonstrated by buddhist monks previously
http://www.vietnampix.com/fire1.htm and as a means of combat ie. during the second world war
by an enemy that saw only a futile death in a normal approach
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2266173.stm Many natives during colonialization ran into onslaughts of weaponary in the full knowledge that they would not themselves survive, often it was done with great dignity.
http://www.traditionalstudies.org/journal/asia/bamboo_bridge.html For those people at that time perhaps suicide was the best option. The kamikazi pilots knew they had no chance in a normal attack so why not use their life for something.
I don't attempt to justify the suicide bombings on innocent civilians because I cant, but it should not be illegal for people to attempt to justify anything if freedom of speech
is to be retained in this country.
Civilians are not a legitimate target, but what is a legitimate target? Could Tony provide a list of them so that we know?
I don't think a police station is a legitimate target, neither is a bank nor even a Labour office, nor even Tony Blair's office itself. Perhaps a military installation but how would they realistically attack one? At each of the following they only attack an element of the system and innocent people, cleaners, cashiers, daft idiots guarding barracks become the targets.
None of these are legitimate... or put another way if a bomber is intent on attacking the system, they are equal in their legitimacy as targets. Attacking Tony is more prone to failure than attacking a london bus, and they clearly understand they are amateurs. Following such logic the attack they perpetrate is understandable as they have the choice of a failed attack on one element of the system or a successful attack on another.
Perhaps Tony would like would be bombers to go to Iraq to fight to keep the fight fair and above board. they may as well give themselves up as terrorists at Heathrow airport. Clearly it would be dim witted.
Personally I hope we can rein in Tony Blair before he gets out of hand, these laws he is proposing the lists he is drawing up, the bookshops he wishes to ban. I have bought some radical muslim essays out of curiosity in the past
does that make me a criminal? I read widely about the Nazis too.
Is learning about the other peoples way of thinking more dangerous than not learning?
rebound
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Tony Blair and justification of terrorism.
05.08.2005 15:39
gristle
Where will it end?
05.08.2005 16:33
The real problem is the media is doing nothing to challenge these infringements on civil liberties. They've all become part of the governments propoganda machine. The BBC and the papers continue to spread fear about threats be it from muslims, anti-war protestors, animal rights protestors.
Am I becoming more cynical, or has the UK media become more spineless, and merely a government propoganda tool over the past 4-5 years? Barring a few, there don't appear to be many MP's asking difficult questions either. And they wonder why people become dissillusioned by politics!!
The only positive thing on TV recently, was seeing TB on TV last night looking like death warmed up.
Sparky the Clown
USUK's "Full Spectrum Dominance" and "Information Dominance"
05.08.2005 18:14
Essentially, the media is considered an element of the war.
For Coordination and/or comments on this ISSUE PAPER please phone or e-mail as follows:
Jim Winters, IO Div, SIOD, DCSCD, HQ TRADOC: (757) 727-4351,
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RATIONALE FOR "INFORMATION DOMINANCE":
Primary
1. At the base point, "superiority" means an advantage of 51 to 49, on some arbitrary metric scale. That is not enough of an advantage to give us the freedom of action required to establish "Full Spectrum Dominance." As stated in Joint Vision 2010: "Sustaining the responsive, high quality data processing and information needed for joint military operations will require more than just an edge over an adversary."
2. We think of dominance in terms of "having our way" - "Overmatch" over all operational possibilities. This connotation is 'qualitative' rather than 'quantitative.' When dominance occurs, nothing done, makes any difference. We have sufficient knowledge to stop anything we don't want to occur, or do anything we want to do. We think of superiority as being "better than" or "victorious." The connotation here is 'quantitative,' coming out on top by a chosen metric (but not all metrics would be chosen).
It is worthwhile considering Blair's actions in these terms. He is quite simply censoring dissent so that the Fascists have "information dominance".
deep
Oi Tony! Serious Organised Criminal. You're Nicked!
05.08.2005 19:24
Trespass on Royal property and 'designated' areas becomes a criminal offence with maximum prison sentence of 51 weeks which a constable can arrest you for if he has
'reasonable' belief that you may be 'about to' do it. Since the Queen owns England and wales I guess that means you can now be arrested for being present here or even about to cross the border from scotland.
The law also clarifies powers of citizens arrest but since citizens are only human and don't have plods 'reasonable belief' in their own superpowered abilities to predict the future, you have to actually catch your villain in the act, or having already done the deed which you 'reasonably' believe he is guilty of.
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24A Arrest without warrant: other persons
(1) A person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant-
(a) anyone who is in the act of committing an indictable offence; [READ:ILLEGAL OCCUPATION PIRACY,AND PLUNDER]
(b) anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing an indictable offence. [READ:THE WAR WAS AND IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY]
(2) Where an indictable offence has been committed, [READ-WAR CRIMES]a person other than a constable [READ: ME & YOU] may arrest without a warrant-
(a) anyone [BLAIR INCLUDED]who is guilty of the offence;
(b) anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of it.[BLAIR OBVIOUSLY]
(3) But the power of summary arrest conferred by subsection (1) or (2) is exercisable only if-
(a) the person making the arrest has reasonable grounds for believing that for any of the reasons mentioned in subsection (4) it is necessary to arrest the person in question [OF COURSE IT BLOODY IS]; and
(b) it appears to the person making the arrest that it is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make it instead. [AS IF THAT WOULD FUCKING HAPPEN]
(4) The reasons are to prevent the person in question[BLAIR]-
(a) causing physical injury to himself or any other person;
(b) suffering physical injury;
(c) causing loss of or damage to property; or
(d) making off before a constable can assume responsibility for him." [INDEED]
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Tony Blair and all his warmongering cronies better watch out because the next time any of them come to my town (no i'm not telling which one) and the constables refuse to arrest them I'm going to arrest the fuckers myself by their own laws (with the reasonable and proportionate use of force of course ; ) . I understand he may be protected by armed guards so reasonable proportionality is widened in this case.
This posting is of course in no way inciting criminal or extremist activities but rather informing the public of their legal and reasonable powers to arrest the war criminals presently at large in their communities.
Lets nick em!
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arresting officer
RE civilian arrest of Toni
06.08.2005 18:33
rebound