Maybe the Stop the War Coallition proposes to leave Fallujah on the hands of foreign terrorists and jeopardise free elections in January?
it seems so...

Do you mean US terrorists? Or British terrorists?

I agree, we shouldn't leave Fallujah in the hands of either one.

I'm not sure if the first poster who salutes the 'resistance' speaks for all the antiwar peple in Oxford, i am sure he doesnt. The reasons there is resistance is imo, very complex and cannot be reduced down to the trite slogans used here. However, the US are also doing their best to increase the rebellion

see
the guardian

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1346831,00.html


'Residents said a US air strike had destroyed a clinic that had been receiving casualties after US and Iraqi forces seized Falluja's main hospital yesterday.

Sami al-Jumaili, a doctor at the hospital who escaped arrest when it was taken by US troops, said the city was running out of medical supplies and only a few clinics remained open.

"There is not a single surgeon in Falluja. We had one ambulance hit by US fire and a doctor wounded," he told Reuters. "There are scores of injured civilians in their homes whom we can't move. A 13-year-old child just died in my hands."'

I think he meant the international terrorists that took part in the Beslan Massacre
killing hundreds of children, and not by accident

So he doesn't want to leave Falluja in the hands of that tiny splinter group of Chechen nationalists then.

Well, neither do I.

I also wasn't aware that the US hadn't really meant to drop tons of radioactive-encased ordinance and cluster bombs all over civilian areas, and that this was really just an unfortunate accident.

Thanks for clearing all that up.

All terrorists in the world are part of one big scary conspiracy. So those nationalists in Chechenya who murdered all those kids are really part of the same giant spooky gang. Remember those World Trade Centre attacks on Sept. 11? Yep, same evildoers.

They fly all over the world, doing some evil here, some evil there, then they all fly back home to Syria. Or Cuba. Or, erm, France I think.

They may also be responsible for global warming. Bastards.

It's all right here, in the Daily Mail:
 http://www.EveningStandardDailyMailSunTimesTelegraph.gov.uk

This just in from Al Jazeera. It needs longer to see the significance, but while the US is fighting to take the city of Fallujah, the Iraqi resistance has taken the city of Ramadi.
Attacks have generally increased all over the country. It is following the classic pattern of a successful resistance. Squash one spot, and several more spring up. Are the US adequately watching their back out there? I don't think so, not with the amount of troops they have.
Well respected, conservative militiary analysts are calling the action in Fallujah a militiary mistake ( not just a moral one ), and I think we will see the consequences in the next few days.

Ramadi fighting

In a separate development, anti-US fighters took control of the centre of the Iraqi city of Ramadi after 24 hours of clashes with US forces, an AFP correspondent has said.

The US military could not immediately be contacted for comment.


Five US troops were wounded in
clashes in Ramadi

US forces withdrew Tuesday around 2:00pm (1100 GMT) from Ramadi's main streets to their bases east and west of the city, the correspondent said.

I suggest that Indymedia close down this comments page and get on with the really omportant business of reporting the 'alternative' news. Comments of the low level type displayed to date are a useless diversion and show Indymedia and the real message in a really bad light. One even wonders if this is deliberate subterfuge?

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