the Antizionist rebbe

This can only play into the hands of the fash. I work with Searchlight the International anti facist organisation and we are very concerned that left wing parties have chosen to adopt an increasing anti-semitism. ANTI ZIONISM IS ANTI SEMITISM and at the end of the day this must inevitably lead to holocaust denial. In point of fact, this is already happening. A leaflet issued by the Trotskyite Socialist Voice in the northwest of England (Salford) in 2002, for example, advertised an internet link for information "on the history of Zionism". It was a holocaust denial link. Clearly the priority in every part of the country must be to halting the facists not worrying about Arafat's terrorists. Detailed analysis of how anti-semitism and anti-zionism are one of the same can be had by going to www.saerchlight.com article  http://www.klick-nach-rechts.de/gegen-rechts/2003/03/searchlight.htm

 http://www.gamla.org.il/english/index.htm is also thoroughly recommended

 http://www.gebladerte.nl/30039v01.htm –description of anti-Semitism on IMC Holland.

 http://www.gebladerte.nl/30037v01.htm – tips for those activists who still think it necessary to criticise Israel rather than standing up against intolerance in Britain.

 http://www.remember.org/ - a site dedicated to remembering the holocaust.

 http://www.snunit.k12.il/seder/anti/english/ - interesting website with views on the subject.

I can't believe the extent to which the anti-zionist arguements have been misrepresented here. I have never heard anyone equate israel with nazi Germany a common comparison is with aparthied south africa. The arguements for a jewish state are good. I can't help thinking a better solution would be to stay in the countries at the end of ww2 and fight to build a better world but all the same that arguement is neither here nor there. I do not in principle have a problem with the creation of a jewish state. I have a problem with the creation of a jewish state on primarily non-jewish land. This has ment the Israeli state has been based on the oppression or removal of the palestinian majority. It has also lead to the fact that there is no such thing as an Israeli citizen there are Jewish Israelis and arab israelis with diferent rights leading in turn to the border controls famous round the world. As such many left wingers support a one state solution with equal rights for all peoples ie like south africa. The idea that we should only deal with domestic issues is f**king stupid. Before you call me racist I'm an ANL university organiser.

seems like a question of the the pot calling the kettle black. Sharon is of course a trendy lefty and Israel one of the most left wing states in the world. which does not have a powerfull lobby in the U.S which don't include dozens of groups like ZOA who's declared aim is not to further the aims of Israel, and there are definately not similar groups in
most european countries who don't have identical names.
In any case they would not want to waste their time writing
hundreds of letters to the BBC and members of parliment

RAM, GO PLAY WITH THE TRAFFIC....

I posted something before and it does not seem to appear.

Here it goes again re: the first supplied link by terry.

Left wing inside the Zionist umbrella?
Bullshit as we all should know.

Why not have peace activism , left wing activism etc independent of a well knowmn movement that has let itself be used by the biggest businesses and in somecases proooven criminal elements.

The answer will be the fear of assasinations like Rabin's or Vanunun's abduction and jailing.

What are you on about Terry?

What is playing with traffic?

"Anti-Zionism = Anti-jewish Racism." A quote from the great American civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr.

but the man had so many dreams.
Dream when everyone will be equal irrespective of skin.
...

It did ot happen did it?
I am still having to shout out WHITE PIGs.

Martin Luther King was a good man. But he dreamt a lot into the future. I have lot of respect for him.

This does not counter your quote from him.
I disagree...Zionism ...the belief on which Israel was founded is wrong and not valid. Also I hate no jew.

Have you got alink to any webmaterial on this definition?

Martin Luther King was misquoted by Rep. Jhon Lewis it seems.

Wonder whether the Rep pig was gettting paid for this (if this is true)

Dissect it, eat it, fuck it, whatever but realise that this is a useless path to follow...

Zionism is wrong. Palestine belongs to Palestinians.
May be the Israelis could ask to stay there after a south african style 'truth and recon....commision' to forget that past . I thnk the whole world will support sections of white Europe being carved up for a jewish nation for all the injustices done to them by the white people. I will certainly write to my MP when the time come.

The true issue now is the suffering of the Iraqi people and palestinian people.

Anyhow here is the link
 http://www.jewish-history.com/mlk_zionism.html

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Dear jewish-history.com visitor:

We received the following message from the media watchdog group CAMERA:

We am sorry to inform you that the “Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend” allegedly written by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., is apparently a hoax. Although, the basic message of the letter was indeed, without question, spoken by Martin Luther King, Jr. in a 1968 appearance at Harvard, where he said: “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking anti-Semitism.” [ from “The Socialism of Fools: The Left, the Jews and Israel” by Seymour Martin Lipset; in Encounter magazine, December 1969, p. 24. ].
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If you shout out "WHITE PIG", you are a racist. If you think a person is a pig because of their race, gender, nationality, religion, sexual orientation,etc. then you are a bigot. End of story. The great Martin Luther King Jr believed a person should be judged on the content of ones character, not the color of their skin. That includes white.

bassman, maybe you should say that to your child murdering genocidal zionist friends, before they go on their daily killing sprees and rampages through the west bank and gaza.

ZIONISM = RACISM = EVIL



visit

jewsnotzionists.org

jewsforallah.org

JOHN=JEW HATER.

Terry

Repeating an obviously nonsensical thing does not make it true.

Let me point something out to you. A large number of people in the world do not believe that there is in existence any divine being who has ever spoken to man through any sacred book, or made any promise to anyone.

They hold this belief as sincerely as any you may hold. Most of them nevertheless have a well developed moral code, based on carefully thought philosophical principles and incorporating principles like justice, fairness, respect for others.

Many base their opinions and judgements about the issues around them on calm individual assessments of what they observe and discover. As a matter of principle they would never abandon this sovereign responsibility, by subjugating what they see as a right and a duty to form their own judgement, to the judgement of another. And particularly not to what may be written in a book, even (or perhaps particularly) a "sacred" one.

Zionism seems to be postulated on the idea that a divine promise found in a sacred book gives one racial group the right to persecute, expel and dispossess another group from its ancestral territory.

To those of us who don't believe in divine promises or sacred books, this has no validity at all.

We judge Zionists by their actions, ignoring this "promise" and applying the same moral rules we apply equally to everyone else.

Most of us find these actions abhorrent and wrong. We say so. We are opposed to Zionism because of what it does.

We are nevertheless opposed to all racism, and anti-semitism is not in us.

So for us, your assertion that ANTI ZIONISM IS ANTI SEMITISM is utterly totally false.

If Israel were Switzerland, our opposition would be identical, and identically worded.

We find the accusation of anti-semitism offensive and inexplicable, except perhaps as an attempt to cynically and manipulatively suppress the identical criticism that the Swiss, without this accusation to hand, would have to face bravely, and answer.

I think it likely that if we put your statement to a world referendum, it would be outvoted by a huge majority, not only the atheists would so vote, but the bulk of the other world religions.

All you really have, I fear, in the eyes of many others, is
"we can behave badly because we're special, and we're special because our book says we are and gives us special permission".

I'm sorry, but to me at least, this is religiously sanctioned racism. If the outcome wasn't so sinister and dangerous for the rest of us, it would be laughable in its pouting childishness.

Fred, you can make all the excuses you want, but the fact remains that most Europeans are disappointed that Hitler did not finish the job. Your obsession with Jews over all other progressive issues speaks for itself."My friends are Jews"oes not take away from the fact that you people are willing to believe any story no matter how wild or dubious the sources as long as it is negative about Jews. You call anyone witha drop of Jewish blood a Zionist, even if they identify as a Christian. Colin Powell lived in a Jewish section of NY, and might have had a distant Jewish relative; therefore he is an evil Zionist. You make excuses for all sorts of repressive regimes. Face it it is not Zionism it is the Jews--a convienent excuse. You need to ask yourself a question--Why do I hate the Jews?

Bassman

Your comment is puzzling.
It seems to be addressed to me. But you seem to imagine I think all jews are zionists.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Not only is it untrue that all jews are zionists. Not all Israeli's are zionists - not by miles. It is generally agreed that roughly one third of Israelis are opposed to zionist policies, one third support them, and one third are uncertain.

Israel supports a healthy minority who are as appalled at their governments policies as anyone could wish, and bravely work to reverse them.

Why is it necessary for you to invent beliefs for me which I do not hold? Are you somehow unable to address my posting as it actually is?

Do you believe in a magic book which gives you special rights ? Can you see that others may not agree? How do you feel about such disagreement?

Could you not manage just one little direct response to one of my points ? Do you think I lie when I say my attitude would be the same if it was Switzerland acting like this? Why do you believe I am a liar ? What evidence have you ? Do you think we are all liars? Why believe such a thing ?

I would believe that you and your so called anti Zionism friends are not anti Jewish if you had the same concerns for other oppressed peoples of the world--Slavery in the Sudan, the occupation of Tibet, human rights abuses in Cuba, sahria in Nigeria, jailing of homosexuals in Egypt--the list is endless. Your obsession with the Jews can lead to only one conclusion--you are a Jew hater. Again, I am not Jewish, I am not a Zionist--I am an anti racist. It bothers me that progressives would join the tyrants of history to demonize one group. I waiting for you so called progressives to blame SARS on the Jews.

Bassman,

This is a rather late reply.

First like Freddie and you I hate no jew.

Maybe we differ in the Zionism aspect but Zionism and Judaism are not the sma thing. You equate them I say you are wrong.

Jews are people who wish to follow Judaism. Simple as that.
I think you could argue Judasim's scriptures instruct a Jew t believe in Zionism...lets say this is the case...I am no jew I will not know this... OK they or anyone is free to believe what they want.

BUT THEY CANNOT PUT IT INTO ACTION IF IT SI THIS SHIT THAT WE ARE SEEING COMING FROM ZIONISTS IN THE NAME OF ZIONISM. clear?

Moving on..
you say
>>>>If you shout out "WHITE PIG", you are a racist. If you think a person is a pig because of their race, gender, nationality, religion, sexual orientation,etc. then you are a bigot. End of story. The great Martin Luther King Jr believed a person should be judged on the content of ones character, not the color of their skin. That includes white.<<<

Yes I say loud and proud WHITE PIG. BUt I have defined what I am on about many times before. My definition does not fit any of your definitions of rasicm above.

More what Dr.MLK points out as the content of ones character is what I am on about.
According to me Condeleza Rice, Colin Powell, Gen Musharaff, The Japaneese PM (by order of darkness of skin colour) are WHITE PIGS.
Got it!
Inafct as may are convincing me of these words' misleading aspect (it is really the misled one's fault but I am very kind) I am tryign to keep my anger at bay and use the word McPig insted of WHITE PIG. that would make Colin Powell a McPig.

Use of the expression white Pib demonizes persons. It does not matter how you define it. If one uses the "n" word, it does not matter how one defines it, the common useage is racist. White Pig is racist and defamatory. To call Jews zionist when they merely follow the jewish religion or happen to have a Jewish ancestor is racist.