Are you a fascist? Do you hate Jews? I work with Searchlight the International anti facist organisation and we are very concerned that left wing parties have chosen to adopt an increasing anti-semitism. ANTI ZIONISM IS ANTI SEMITISM and at the end of the day this must inevitably lead to holocaust denial. In point of fact, this is already happening. A leaflet issued by the Trotskyite Socialist Voice in the northwest of England (Salford) in 2002, for example, advertised an internet link for information "on the history of Zionism". It was a holocaust denial link. Clearly the priority in every part of the country must be to halting the facists not worrying about Arafat's terrorists. Detailed analysis of how anti-semitism and anti-zionism are one of the same can be had by going to www.saerchlight.com article  http://www.klick-nach-rechts.de/gegen-rechts/2003/03/searchlight.htm

 http://www.gamla.org.il/english/index.htm is also thoroughly recommended

April 16 is a long time ago indeed.
Also Jane's journalsm is very bad as we all know.

Look at this...
> All of this lends weight to the theory that Bush's war is part of a masterplan to reshape the Middle East to serve Israel's interests.

I know the Zionist centric theorists will hate me for this but this is wrong.

The constant reshaping of the Middle East is for the white west first.
Even Isreal is part of this recreation!!! Created illegally in 1949?.
Kuwait was carved out in 1932.

It is the white piggy west first and the whole world knows it except some stupid die hard Zionists who think that Isreal is first and obviously the braindead white masses.

As for Bush negotiating with the Iraqi govt!....
The moment 12 years of cruel sanctions did not work ie, the peopel did not pour out to welcome the US/UK illegal invasion the plans for the Iraqi govt. approoving oil was shelved. The first phase of the war was lost.

It is now back to the UN sanctions being lifted and continuing the oil for food programme. Yesterday France weighed it's books and though it will reveal its true colour once again now the Sun is shining -- pig white.

France wants sanctions lifted without an Iraqi govt. in place or WMD inspections completed. WMD is and always has been the distraction.The real news is
EXCEPT RUSSIA ALL WHITE PIG NATIONS DO NOT WANT AN IRAQI GOVT. TO PUMP OIL AND SAVE THE ECONOMIES AND EAT MORE PIG SWILL etc! RUSSIA is a matter of time I suppose before oinking again.

The plan is simple. Iraq needs huge reconstruction apart for form food. So it snow 'OIL for food & reconstruction'!.
That is lot of oil.

So phase/plan two has bee activated.
Any Iraqi govt. in place pigs do not give a shit.
If it is a hostile govt. the pigs will go and root out anyone who might help them, like Iran --good excuse too.
The racsim among the pigs that live in the west will ensure this will also happen through a fog of anti-war protesst and lip service for peace.

Isreal is not Zionism is not Semitism.

The second link you provide is disgusting. It denies the rights of the palestinian people.

You should have a look at

 http://www.racism.gov.za/substance/confdoc/misdecl.pdf

especially para 61.
Isreal rallied all the powerful countries to sabotage this conference and introduce their existence into this.
Whereas the suport for Palestine and Palestinians was not campaigned for insead spontaneous reaction fo most of the countries in this planet.
Either you live with us in this planet or you leave.

Zionism and all th bullsit supporting it in some bent scripture is not proof or justification. Anti Zionism is good.

Isreal is illegal and if they behave (ie, become humans again) I am sure many will welcome them with open hands...back into the imnternational fold inseadt of being a n illegal pariah state.

Anti-Semtism is of course bad. But please be a bit thoughtful in considering the complications Jewish soceity has got into with war criminal as prime ministers of the only illegal Jewish state and all.
It is a mess but there is nothing in Dave Guera's post for you to point me to truly disgusting websites.

re: terry fitzpatrick's comments
why can people not see that there is a difference between criticising a government and criticising the population of a country, or an ethnic group.
how can Dave be a facsist or racist by criticising the Bush administrations, or Israeli governments foreign and domestic policy?
forgive me if i'm wrong but i can't see any racist comments towards Israeli 'citizens' in what dave has written.
by your logic it would be racist and fascist towards the Chinese public to criticise their government invading Tibet, am i being racist towards myself for fighting against my governments political and economic policy?
many friends of mine are Jewish, as is my girlfriend, they are disgusted by the behaviour of Sharon and Bush in the middle east....some of my Jewish Friends have been out to work with ISM, as have many Jews from the US i understand
maybe some trot groups do deny the holocaust, they are generally stupid and full of shit anyhow
this has nothing to do with what dave has written.
perhaps you need read it again
your argument is dangerous, illogical, and stupid and i would ring you up to discuss these points with you, if i did not fear you are mad.
i have been brought to tears twice in the last month i should tell you. once this week watching a dramatisation of anne frank's life, as i was reminded of the horror of the holocaust, and a few weeks back as i watched my friend learn that her friend had been shot by israeli troops, while trying to protect a Palestinian family
you are doing a very poor job in promoting searchlight (infact the opposite)
personally i will be going on an anti-racist march this weekend aswell as doing anti-facsist action stuff up north, and going to a free palestine meeting
i think you need to very carefully think what facism is before accusing people of it.

Zionism is racism, if was not Israel would allow palestinian refugees to return home. Anybody who says that palestinian refugees cannot return home because they are not jews are racist.

Terry

You doubled up your posting from elsewhere, so forgive me if I do the same in case you only check back once.

Repeating an obviously nonsensical thing does not make it true.

Let me point something out to you. A large number of people in the world do not believe that there is in existence any divine being who has ever spoken to man through any sacred book, or made any promise to anyone.

They hold this belief as sincerely as any you may hold. Most of them nevertheless have a well developed moral code, based on carefully thought philosophical principles and incorporating principles like justice, fairness, respect for others.

Many base their opinions and judgements about the issues around them on calm individual assessments of what they observe and discover. As a matter of principle they would never abandon this sovereign responsibility, by subjugating what they see as a right and a duty to form their own judgement, to the judgement of another. And particularly not to what may be written in a book, even (or perhaps particularly) a "sacred" one.

Zionism seems to be postulated on the idea that a divine promise found in a sacred book gives one racial group the right to persecute, expel and dispossess another group from its ancestral territory.

To those of us who don't believe in divine promises or sacred books, this has no validity at all.

We judge Zionists by their actions, ignoring this "promise" and applying the same moral rules we apply equally to everyone else.

Most of us find these actions abhorrent and wrong. We say so. We are opposed to Zionism because of what it does.

We are nevertheless opposed to all racism, and anti-semitism is not in us.

So for us, your assertion that ANTI ZIONISM IS ANTI SEMITISM is utterly totally false.

If Israel were Switzerland, our opposition would be identical, and identically worded.

We find the accusation of anti-semitism offensive and inexplicable, except perhaps as an attempt to cynically and manipulatively suppress the identical criticism that the Swiss, without this accusation to hand, would have to face bravely, and answer.

I think it likely that if we put your statement to a world referendum, it would be outvoted by a huge majority, not only the atheists would so vote, but the bulk of the other world religions.

All you really have, I fear, in the eyes of many others, is
"we can behave badly because we're special, and we're special because our book says we are and gives us special permission".

I'm sorry, but to me at least, this is religiously sanctioned racism. If the outcome wasn't so sinister and dangerous for the rest of us, it would be laughable in its pouting childishness.

To misqoute Robbie Burns

"O would some pow'r the giftie gie em
To see theirselves as ithers see 'em"

Doing action believing in scriptures that causes harm to others is wrong. Full stop.

I do not judge Zionists or *even* their actions as some try to do...

I am pissed off by the unjust and often untold suffering the palestinians are suffering.

If Terry does not come back to convince me I am increasingly tendig to believe that a wast majority of Jewish people who are not blatantly Zionist and sympathisers of the Jewish plight in the hands of racists and Zionists have the lost the plot too.

Thanks to those who have provided quite eloquent defences of my/our right to criticise Israel. The contribution by Terry Fitzpatrick was unfortunately quite typical of any discussion on this matter.

The following is a statement of a very sad truth: Defenders of the more egregious policies pursued by Israel (the occupation, torture, expulsions, assassinations, house demolitions etc etc.) will always try to shut up their opponents by accusing them of antisemitism. It is their most lethal weapon, but one which - as other contributors have ably displayed - is utterly bereft of foundation.

We are handicapped by the fact that opposition to Israel's policies is common to the far right (because they are racist anti-Jewish filth) and the hard left (because we happen to dislike large-scale oppression visited upon a weak minority).

For Terry's information, if he's interested, I would like to point out that I am opposed to imperialist / racist / neoliberal governments everywhere, whether they be in Israel, the US, the UK, France, Algeria, Turkey, Colombia, Ecuador, Italy, Australia or anywhere else you'd like to mention. This in no way implies the slightest dislike or prejudice against the citizens of these countries. The only things I am "anti-" are the things listed above.

Dave Guevara, its not Iraq's oil. There talking about the oil in Kirkuk and Mosul. Thats in Kurdistan.

We dont hate Jewish people,just the Fascist Sharon and his terrorist cronies.Armed, aided and funded by a country who killed more people of differing races in the last century than Hitler could have dreamed of.They're off to a flyer this century!And before you start slagging off Communists and the like, take a history lesson.If not for the bravery and sacrifice of millions of Russians during the 2nd World War, it would have been lost.