Who do you want to win the war?
Liberty | 06.04.2003 03:12
Melissa Kite has just appeared on the BBC News 24 programme Straight Talk. During the discussion about Galloway's statement that he would like Iraq to win the war, Ms Kite said that she thought there was not one other person in the UK who would support such an idea. She went on to say that she thought it unlikely that anyone would support Saddam Hussein over British troops.
What do you think? Perhaps someone from The Times check's Indymedia - is there a response you would like to make to Ms Kite's opinion?
Personally I do not support troops that are following illegal orders, nor do I approve of the military being used for an attack on another country for commercial, not national, interest. I want the Blair to pull the troops out now - he is not going to do that for many reasons. Therefore what I want is for Iraq to win and US and UK forces to lose.
This is not in support of Saddam. This is in support of the Iraqi people, who have a past dominated by one dictator and now face a future being dominated by a group of dictators. The methods of dictatorship will be different, perhaps, but the freedom and liberty and political control over their political environment will not change.
The only hope the Iraqi people have of political freedom is to beat the coalition troops, or at least hang on long enough that the international antiwar movement can apply pressure on the coalition to leave Iraq, and then at some later point defeat Saddam on their own terms in their own time.
Anything other than this will leave them dominated by a foreign occupation force.
Hardly democracy, and hardly liberty.
To those who equate patriotism with support of our troops: when did Britain's standards sink so low that the rallying cry of the true Brit is 'support war criminals and hope for the success of their missions?'.
I am sorry each time a soldier is killed in this war. I am sorry for their family and for their friends. But if people will follow illegal orders and attack another country, what the hell else can they expect?
What do you think? Perhaps someone from The Times check's Indymedia - is there a response you would like to make to Ms Kite's opinion?
Personally I do not support troops that are following illegal orders, nor do I approve of the military being used for an attack on another country for commercial, not national, interest. I want the Blair to pull the troops out now - he is not going to do that for many reasons. Therefore what I want is for Iraq to win and US and UK forces to lose.
This is not in support of Saddam. This is in support of the Iraqi people, who have a past dominated by one dictator and now face a future being dominated by a group of dictators. The methods of dictatorship will be different, perhaps, but the freedom and liberty and political control over their political environment will not change.
The only hope the Iraqi people have of political freedom is to beat the coalition troops, or at least hang on long enough that the international antiwar movement can apply pressure on the coalition to leave Iraq, and then at some later point defeat Saddam on their own terms in their own time.
Anything other than this will leave them dominated by a foreign occupation force.
Hardly democracy, and hardly liberty.
To those who equate patriotism with support of our troops: when did Britain's standards sink so low that the rallying cry of the true Brit is 'support war criminals and hope for the success of their missions?'.
I am sorry each time a soldier is killed in this war. I am sorry for their family and for their friends. But if people will follow illegal orders and attack another country, what the hell else can they expect?
Liberty
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Storyboard changes
06.04.2003 11:19
Joe
Support our hired thugs
06.04.2003 15:02
Why should we support our troops? I can give you good reasons why we shouldn't:
Soldiers in the British Army chose to be soldiers. They get paid for killing people. That makes them hired killers.
Do people demand support for our binmen? Office workers?
"just following orders" is not a valid excuse for commiting war crimes. It was not a valid excuse for Nazi's in the 40's, it's not a valid excuse now. Therefore, any soldier shooting depleted uranium bullets is a war criminal under the terms of the Hague Convention.
To those that say "They sign up to get a career", I say is a career worth killing? Your argument lacks any kind of morals.
The argument that our soldiers are brave goes out of the window when compared against the soldiers who refuse their orders. They are the truly brave ones.
"They're defending our country". Does anyone really believe we're facing attack from Saddam?
There are many more arguments for not supporting our troops than there are for blindly offering support.
Next time you're insulted with that line, simply remember these are the people who forgot how to think for themselves.
Jim
Who do I want to win?
06.04.2003 18:42
At this point I'm far from convinced anyone can 'win', not that it was ever very likely. In 1967 Israel achieved its military objectives in the war in 6 days. The consequences of that "victory" continue today in the form of the occupation and Palestinian resistance to it. Doubtless we will see something similar here.
Disillusioned kid
I'll tell what I want !
07.04.2003 00:55
thevoicejustice
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:05
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:23
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:25
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:25
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:25
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:25
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:25
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:25
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:25
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:25
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Iraq Iraq Iraq
07.04.2003 02:25
Unfortunately the total defeit of BUSH and Blair would mean WWIII (Therefore the defeit of humankind alltogether) and I am sure They Would go that far.
Saddam is a Pussi Cat Dictator compared to his MONSTRUOUS, UN-HUMAN enemies.
Iraq´s inocent PEOPLE has suffering SO MUCH in the last 20 years,they are the firts target,the casualties,the sufferers
and STILL victimes of !Unbearable! suffering.As Their brothers,the PALESTINIAN people and nation.And Many Many Others,for millenia, in this planet.I am so sick and Depress of seen so much Infanticide,Genocide...etc..etc...
Sometimes I wish Russia(And I don´t forget Chetchnya)-Wich still have by Far the nuclear capability.Would Dare to stop the "coalition"of the mass-inocent-killers.(No words,sorry)
Bush said many times:There will be war for the rest of your life times...We haven´t had enough in thousands of years???Hell on earth for ever?!Russia Please!!confront and !ERASE! the "coalition" AT ONCE.There is some thing very wrong with Humankind,perhaps its total anihilation would be the best for PLANET EARTH.Planet Earth will recover.
Puttin ¿Why don´t you press the botton?
Nasi
Tired of Supporting your troops
26.08.2003 16:49
see the American Troops lured into an ambush. I won't waste my time trying to reason
with you on the pros and cons of your statements, because reason is something none of spineless spawns of homosexual french fathers will never understand. All of you are obviously in the later stages of syphillis and are bitter over the total lack of accomplishments in your worthless and meaniless lives. Do us all a favor next time you want to make a valid point, reach around and take the hamster out of your asses and let them speak for you as I am sure they will be able to talk more coherently.
H. Guderian
Tired of Supporting Your own Troops (corrected version)
26.08.2003 17:16
To Those of you who are tired of all this support our troops crap as you put it, and those of you who wine about the plight of palestine's self inflicted wounds, and those of you who want to see the American Troops lured into an ambush and slaughtered. I won't waste my time trying to reason with you on the pros and cons of your statements, because reason is something none of you spineless spawns of homosexual french fathers will ever understand. All of you are obviously in the later stages of syphillis & bitter over the total lack of accomplishments in your worthless and meaniless lives. Do us all a favor next time you want to make a valid point, reach around and take the hamster out of your asses and let them speak for you as I am sure they will be able to talk more coherently.
Heinz Guderian