Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism

Gary | 05.04.2002 23:46

All hatred is evil

Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism. Yes there are technical differences but when it comes down to it the results are the same.

Anti-Semitism led to hatred, violence and the murder of Jews. Such as is with the Spanish Inquisition and the Nazis. Anti-Zionism led to the massacres of 'Zionists,' in the USSR, suicide bombs and violence against synagogues in Paris + Marseille.

Okay you can be anti-Zionist and not anti-Semitic and you can be Jewish and anti-Zionist however all hatred is bad and there is no excuse for violence. Basically anti-Zionism is hatred for ones political belief unlike anti-Semitism, racism, homophobia and sexism that is hatred for ethnicity, gender etc.

The only difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism is that they are only different forms of hatred. The similarity is that they both lead to violence.

Gary
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nice try...

06.04.2002 00:33

You obviously have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Zionism is racism. It preaches the seperation of the jewish people from contact with non-jews. Both in business and personal situations. It espouses the "superiority" of the "jewish race". Ever hear of something called a shtetl? It's the term jews used for their seperate neighborhoods throughout Europe before WWII. Neighborhoods they made seperate because of the racist teachings of Zionism. Zionism is the excuse non-indigineous people use to explain the forced removal of indigineous peoples from the homes. Am I anti-zionist - yes. Anti-semitic - no. Anti-Israel - yes. Anti-ignorance - yes.

J Stroud
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Zionism is racism

06.04.2002 00:42

Zionism aims to create a state for Jews, just as Nazism aimed to create a fatherland of racially pure Germans. Although Israel has not gassed non-Jews, it has made Israeli Arabs second-class citizens, despite the fact that most have always lived on this land unlike many Jewish immigrants. Zionism also aims to take the holy lands of old Israel which happen to have a large number of Arabs and some Christians living there. The policy of the Israeli government appears to be ethnic cleansing, through the confiscation of Palestinian land for Jewish settlements and the terrorising of non-Jews in order to force them to leave. This is the ultimate aim of Zionism: the eradication of non-Jews from the holy lands. It is just one step down from Nazism - and has NOTHING to do with Judaism. In fact, the Zionists are mostly secular Jewish politicians armed and directed by Washington.

Zionism must be opposed as it is a racist ideology. It is not about religious hatred - it's about upholding humanitarian ideals.

Dan Brett
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That's illogical Captain

06.04.2002 01:27

You can't say 'Anti-Zionism is anti-semitism' one sentence,
then half a paragraph later say 'Okay you can be anti-Zionist
and not anti-semitic'. That's a straight contradiction, and
you can't expect anybody to take what you say seriously if
you contradict yourself.

Anyway, it's surely racist to create a state which treats
one set of people differently from the other based
on their ethnic differences. It's also racist to support
the Israeli people's right to a state, while at the same
time denying those same rights to the Palestinian
people, yet there are many people who'll happily support
Israel's brutal occupation while at the same time refusing
to admit that any racist thoughts had ever crossed their
mind.

In '1984', Orwell called this sort of thing 'doublethink'. That's
when Big Brother's propaganda department, the Ministry
of Truth, brainwashed people into believing contradictory ideas,
because those ideas were useful to the state. Your post shows
you're a natural at this, Gary, and there wasn't even a Thought
Policeman standing over your shoulder as you typed it all in.
Isn't the corporate media wonderful?

Aim Here

weird little fella

06.04.2002 06:38

You sir are a bloody idiot.

zionism must be outlawed as racist.

zionists are no better that the kkk or the neo nazis.

dan

Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism is hatred

06.04.2002 13:37

Maybe, but that was not my point.

Hating someone for being a zionist is as bad as hating someone for being a jew.

You are all hypicrits. You clame to believe in peace and to be left-wing but you support murder by Hamas. You obsiouvsly all enjoy war and killing.

So the Israeli government is evil. That does not give anyone the right to murder Zionist people.

Gary

Anti-Bastards

06.04.2002 14:10

I hate Nazis, does that make me racist too?

Ann Frank

anti does not mean hate

06.04.2002 14:29

If you're anti something it does not mean that you hate people. I am anti-zionist because the idea of a state for jews has been turned into some kind of racist ideology (as people have explained above). Zionism was nothing else than nationalism - it was the same as the belief in Kurdistan is now. But somewhere down the line the belief in self-determination truned into something sinister and bad. I would nt call it nazism, but it fucking close.

Zionism is an idea. Jew is something that you were born as. You can discuss ideas and actually convince people that their view is in some way flawed (e.g. a lot of Israelis are convinced that zionism is now a racist ideology).

I don't hate jews,, I don't hate Israelis. However, I hate those people that bring murder and suffering and take away every bit of dignity from people. At the moment that is the Israeli state (with good help from the US and UK), and the cronies that for some reason adher to the view that they have to kill to further their own political goals.

And I don't support suicide bombers, as I don't support F-16 and tanks bombing the palestinian people. But I understand why the suicide bombers come. There is asymmetry in power and means. There is a war going on - if you don't have planes and tanks yourself and you can't win a military victory you sadly opt for suicide bombs.

I haven't seen anyone supporting Hamas killing people. I have seen them supporting Hamas in thier goals, but not tactics. Most people using indymedia are against that sort of violence.

what rubbish...

06.04.2002 14:43

i can only add to the critical comments above.
incidentally, a few days a ago an interesting group called neturei karta published here, insisting that they were orthodox jews against israel, and indeed supported palestianain claims.

www.netureikarta.org

acorn tributor

Israelis support Hamas

06.04.2002 14:46

As I understand it the Israeli government as always supported hamas, possibly in an attempt to undermine Arafat and the official Palestinian leadership. The Brit Shit establishment does not have the monopoly on Divide an Rule.

goodwood

Nothing like ill-logic to stir up a bee'snest

06.04.2002 14:50

What they ^ said!

magic tortoise

to 'magic tortoise' (sic!)

06.04.2002 15:16

finally someone with a stranger nom de plume than mine ! actually, what you see is the greatest safeguard of IMC against ludicrous or disgraceful articles. whenever a nasty, or mentally ill, or dangerous, or joker, or SWP people write in, they can expect endless criticisms. i think the IMC system works quite well, actually.

acorn tributor

to 'magic tortoise' (sic!)

06.04.2002 15:17

acorn tributor

ZioNazis are anti-semitic and racist

07.04.2002 12:38

Palestinians are semites.

Anti-semitic also means anti-Palestinians.

The biggest bunch of anti-semitics are zioNazis, the murderous butchers massacring for the Palestinian Holocaust. These are the members of the I"D"F, the zioNazi's stormtroopers who are causing horrific genocide in the Aushwitz-style concentration camp Palestinian ghettos.

Most zioNazis are not even semitic. They are mainly Kazhars who have converted or nicked someone else's religion - technically one can only be Jewish by birth.

The all-purpose convenient "anti-semitic" label should be used on the zioNazis. They are worst kind of apes around.

ZioNazis are Genocidal

Jews are not a race

07.04.2002 15:47

Just to be pedantic, the Jews are not actually a race - this is a myth put about by Zionists, who have perpetuated the misconception that there must be a maternal link to be Jewish. For instance, King Solomon's mother was not Jewish, yet he is revered as one of the great Jewish kings. And there are Chinese and African Jews. I believe the maternal link originates from a time when Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians and Jewish women were routinely raped. To reconcile with the horror of giving birth to the children of rapists, an edict was issued in which all children of Jewish mothers were automatically considered Jewish by birth and so the children could continue to remain in the family.

Of course, the Zionists are using this 'racial' classification to full effect as a doctrine of racial superiority which has nothing to do with Judaism. If you study religion closely, you'd realise that Islam and Judaism are virtually indistinguishable, apart from the rituals. There is no reason why Muslims and Jews should not live harmoniously, as they have done for centuries in the past. It's the political opportunists who have prevented peace and sadly they are in power right now.

Dan

Hamas=Fascist

08.04.2002 16:22

>I haven't seen anyone supporting Hamas killing people. I >have seen them supporting Hamas in thier goals, but not >tactics. Most people using indymedia are against that sort >of violence.

Who on Indymedia exactly supports the goals of Hamas. People might support the liberation of the Palestinian people and the creation of an independent, viable Palestinain state, but who exactly supports the neo-fascist agenda of Hamas? Perhaps some of the idiots who post the "Zionazi" carap, but I seriously hope no serious Indymedia user supports a movement which has the "Elders of the Protocols of Zion" a favourite of Adolf Hitler as an integral part of its ideology.

Against the occupation!
Against fundamentalism!
Against fascism!

Disillusioned kid