This is ridiculous.
The no- border group is either a corporate front or they
certainly could get financial backing from the corporate
network that is shoving 'globalization' down our throats.
The corporate world has gone to great effort to control
your national immigration depts., thereby causing race
problems in all democracies. This strategy serves to
divide the integrity of your democratic nation state.
It is the pro-globalization elite that want to destroy
your borders and do away with the concept of nation
altogether.
Anyone who falls for this ploy is really out of touch.

the john carpenter comment is such a nationalist shit, i really gad mad about it. firstly we are not fighting for anti-globalisation, that a term the media and some nazis have invented, but we re fighting for a global solidarity and respect - our kind of globalisation. secondly we dont want to "divide the integrity of nations", we´d like to smash the concept of nation itself, even if you fascist wont accept this.

> by john the carpenter 2:18am Mon Jul 9 '01
> address: bc,can
>
> The corporate world has gone to great effort to control
> your national immigration depts., thereby causing race
> problems in all democracies. This strategy serves to

John, I'm trying to understand this. You seem to imply
that there is some relation between immigration and
"race problems in democracies".

However, the only "race problems" in democracies are the
existence of racist parties and the holding of racist
opinions and actions based on racist opinions.
Once you reject racist principles, then you
realise that the problems suffered by people of darker
skin are either due to other peoples' racist ideas or
they are the general problems of social inequality, lack
of workers' rights, lack of education rights, etc.
common to everyone who's "excluded" from the system.

There *is no problem* of immigrants different to problems of
non-immigrants if we exclude racist opinions and actions.

Short-term difficulties like language learning and
adapting to the local culture, which happen over
a 2-3 year time scale, are easily balanced by the
advantages of having new cultural inputs to society
and in helping locals learn about other cultures.

John, maybe you'd better come clean: do you accept racist
ideas or do you reject them?

Try reading

 http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/oct96daniels.htm


> nationalist shit
> by r@tte 9:04am Mon Jul 9 '01
>
> the john carpenter comment is such a nationalist shit, i

let's be patient. john clearly needs help at the moment
and we should treat him gently.

> firstly we are not fighting for
> anti-globalisation, that a term the media and some nazis
> have invented, but we re fighting for a global
> solidarity and respect - our kind of globalisation.

of course, agreed, well said.

> we´d like to smash the concept of
> nation itself, even if you fascist wont accept this.

don't quite agree!

even in an ideal anarchist society, there will have to
be structures and coordination of activities and
language and culture. okay, this will be done with very
little and limited hierarchy, but we won't all talk just
one single language (how boring!) or all like just one sort
of music.

nations as cultural groupings and even organisational
groupings for deciding on consumption, production and
allocation are likely to continue to exist, in parallel with
more local and more global structures.

it's a bit like in christianity where churches still
exist, but where their political power is very limited
and noone really takes the religious ideas seriously.

a future anarchist society should surely allow nations to
co-exist along with other structures, provided that they
do not try to create hierarchies or use violence.

ok, if you agree that "the concept of the
church has been smashed" in europe, then your
expression is reasonable.

but why frighten people and give them the idea that we
want a society which is totally disorganised? this plays into
the politically correct theme of "anarchy = total lack of
structure in society", whereas in reality we *do* want
structure. we just want very different, non-hierarchical
structure. without anti-people borders.