The EDL: pity they can't hold a tune
Anti racists penned inside Piccadilly Gardens
That Union Jack was a bit of a giveaway
I was left to prowl round the edges of the square, peering through the fences to see what was going on. Some of the EDL had been corralled into a corner by Debenhams. They were easy to find by the appalling noise they were making: "Land of Hope and Glory" simply does not work when done as a football chant.
There were no more than 300 EDL supporters for what was meant to be their national rally. The anti racist groups mustered nearly twice that many for what was only a north west regional call out. Nearly 100 anti racists turned out just from Liverpool. They occupied most of the lawn and fountain area of Piccadilly Gardens, leaving the EDL with nowhere much to go.
The police moved some of the EDL out of the square at one point and then let them back in again, where they were directly facing the anti racists. It is impossible to tell whether this was a deliberate provocation, or whether the police had decided they didn't want to risk the EDL having a chance to scatter into the backstreets of the Northern Quarter.
The EDL kept up the football style chanting until 5 o'clock, when the police moved them out of the area. But somehow a few of them went in the wrong direction, towards Portland Street, just as the police were letting the anti racist demonstrators out of that side of PIccadilly Gardens. One of the EDL yobs was reckless enough to shout a racist insult at some Asian lads who were standing nearby. Immediately 100 anti racists started to home in on his little gang.
The police then carried out one of their classic acts of stupidity, which raised tensions instead of defusing the situation. Two mounted police rode into the demonstrators while those on foot flailed their retractable batons at whoever was nearest to them. That simply cranked up the anger. Some one shouted, "Are you proud of protecting fascists?" Some one else threw a can at the EDL gang.
Then five dog handlers moved in to terrorise the anti racists and force them further down the street. They got quite carried away. I saw one of them threaten to set his dog on an Asian family who were walking along the pavement. They included an elderly lady and an 8-year-old girl. Another threatened to set his dog on a journalist who was standing in the road filming. I was using my own camcorder at the time. I trained it on the copper in question and advised him that if he set his dog on me I'd sue him - after I'd strangled his Alsation.
Meanwhile, the EDL supporters were standing across the street smirking at the upset they'd caused. They were shortly escorted away by their uniformed friends. And that was pretty much the end of the event.
This rally did nothing for the English Defence League's credibility, or their public profile. The ordinary shoppers who stopped to watch them only did so because they were an entertaining spectacle. Nobody seemed to know what they stood for, except that they were "the racists" they'd heard about in the news.
If the EDL had hoped to use this rally to promote their narrow version of English culture, they failed miserably.
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Are you blind??
11.10.2009 15:00
Was there.
600 ish
11.10.2009 18:29
Rory
Numbers-
11.10.2009 18:59
There are of course attempts to dispute this, but the points to bear in mind are that the EDL obviously inflate figures, and that indymedia is plagued by stormfront-esque trolls who attempt to spread disinformation.
James
Was there.
11.10.2009 20:12
sense of humour
'...after I'd strangled his Alsation.'
11.10.2009 22:03
Just remember that the animals they use don't want to be there, and if they're 'set on you', it's because they've been trained to by the forces protecting the fascists, and by making such a vacuous comment, you're implying that you haven't considered the role in which humans (the police/state/whoever) exploit animals for our 'gain'.
I think it's time you made the connection between the way humans exploit animals, and the way humans supress other humans.
anti-speciesist
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Alarming numbers of the thugs
11.10.2009 22:31
Dare I say something positive about the police on Indymedia?! The police did a great job containing them. I agree the use of dogs and horses is disgusting.
Ruby
Numbers of EDL
11.10.2009 22:58
Tod
Police
11.10.2009 23:15
JoshuaKaitlyn
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Crowd Counting
11.10.2009 23:58
Using some basic crowd counting techniques that both the police and demonstrators use - there were no more than 850 EDL demonstrators.
But it does show at least ten people giving fascist salutes. How does that square up with the "black" members?
Peter Todd
unfortunately, video's show otherwise...
12.10.2009 00:14
Look at some of the videos put up on youtube. In this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJvTr-mlaNY in looks like there's getting on for a thousand EDL - and they weren't just bussed away - they marched from piccadilly to victoria whilst a speaker from UAF made a ridiculous victory speech,.
Pretending the day was an all-out victory will just damage attempts to succesfully stop them in Leeds on the 31st, we will make the same mistakes again.
liverpool red
EDL? Extremely Dumb Lifestyle.
12.10.2009 02:40
What??!!
Do they not realise that without Arabic culture we wouldn't have modern mathematics, surgery or astronomy, and thus as a result of this most of what we now consider to be contemporary 'Western' Science and technology?
In fact, the 'Renaissance' could not have happened without building upon the foundation of Arabic research and invention that went before it, itself having been expanded upon the works of ancient Rome, Greece and Babylonian culture. In fact, the first ever city state was sited in ancient Mesopotamia - we now call it Iraq, a long long way away from Ingurlund.
My point being that there is no such thing as 'pure' culture, least of all in this country, which has for centuries been the home to just about every race and denomination you can think of - we are a nation of immigrants, and to deny this is to deny our own history - yes, ENGLISH history, or is that Anglo-ish, perchance?
We after all a nation of Saxons, Normans, Vikings, Picts, Celts, Romanies, Romans, Africans, Asians, Balkans, Latinos, Japanese, Chinese and pretty much everything else, and a darn sight more 'integrated' than the USA too I'll wager, with asian and black schoolkids hanging out with their white counterparts and thinking nothing of it - it ain't no thing.
So, what exactly are the EDF trying to defend?
Some fictional ideal of a 'pure' English culture?
I have news for them - this world doesn't exist, never has existed and never will, and if their 'pure' culture did exist, life here would be a lot duller than it is.
You see, this Atheist has no problems at all with anyone believing whatever they like - you can be a Jedi Knight for all I care, but I do have a problem with people who have a problem with tolerating others' beliefs - that is after all, how wars start.
Cosmopolitan English Person...
Black EDL Members
12.10.2009 08:30
Anarchist
@ anti-speciesist
12.10.2009 09:29
Yes, the animals don't have any choice in being there - that doesn't alter the fact that they attack people, and when they do so, people are entirely justified in fighting back. Police use of animals is quite simply barbaric and should be brought to an end, but until it is, you can't really blame people for wanting to defend themselves.
anonymous
@ anonymous
12.10.2009 15:09
Of course self-defense is necessary in such a situstion, but I was simply pointing that such banal comments about how we consider animals to be used by the state for our suppression isn't going to achieve anything, and suggested making the link between human and animal suffering & prejudices; this can't just be one struggle, protecting one community/population/species/race/minority/whoever.
anti-speciesist
@anti-speciesist
12.10.2009 17:04
I really don't see the problem with the comment in question however - it was quite specific that the dog would only come to harm *if* it attacked the person in question, or in other words, in an act of self-defence. That has nothing to do with "speciesism" and everything to do with not wanting to get mauled by animals which the police - disgustingly - have turned into weapons.
Your last comment is the kind of mindset I'm wary of:
"this can't just be one struggle, protecting one community/population/species/race/minority/whoever."
Yes, it can. You may see all these issues as being linked but not everyone does, and to suggest you "can't" focus on human beings without also bringing animal rights into the equation does seem rather, well, dogmatic.
Again however, I recognise that I over-reacted to your message and apologise entirely.
anonymous
Ramming ideologies?
12.10.2009 20:46
Can anyone see the irony that anti-racists ram their ideology into every movement?
No? Just me who sees the positive ways used to bring about anti-fascism? Ok then...
By all means self-defence is a good thing, I just found your leading comment hilarious!
@ntispeciesist
Arabic != Muslim
13.10.2009 22:35
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Inconvenient for the EDL
14.10.2009 13:06
Another historical fact which the EDL might like to ponder is that thanks to the Roman armies of occupation, many Africans, Arabs and Balkan people lived on this island long before the arrival of the Jutes, Saxons and Angles, let alone the emergence of the word "English" ("Angle-ish") or a state of that name. Neither did all those people leave with the withdrawal of the Roman occupation and their influence on the Romano-Celtic civilisation which followed is still traceable, not only in archaeology and culture, but in "English" DNA.
Stroppyoldgit