This is what is happening and this is why these people need your assistance with getting in touch with the right channels. Many people who are going to be reading this article are probably a part of these programs and many people probably do not realise the damage they are doing to others. Here is some information that you need to know.
What is gang stalking?
Gang stalking is a modern day form of the Cointelpro program, that ran in the United States and in other countries under different names. Eg. In Canada it was called V.I.P.S. It's also a part of the New Community Based Policing efforts combined with the reemergence of Police Red Squads, which have been in existence on and off for close to a hundred years.
The new forms of these programs combines the organised stalking and mobbing of the targets of these programs that take place primarily in the targets community. What will happen is that files will be opened on targets of these harassment programs, and the State or officials of the State, such as the FBI, CIA, RCMP, CSIS, or local police will go around and tell the friend, family, co-workers, landlords, and community of the targeted individual at large is under investigation. They will say that the target is a terrorist, crazy, drug dealer, someone who needs to be watched. They will ask for, or in many cases force the corporation of the targeted individual till the target becomes increasingly more cut off from their sources of support, making it easier to harass and psychologically harm them over time.
" The new versions of these programs use the community based policing programs to help with the stalking and monitoring of the targeted individual, that is why the target will complain of being followed around in public by strangers they do not know. They are being followed around by the new eyes and ears of the state, their fellow citizens who for various reasons have decided to become informants for the state. This is happening in many democratic countries and cities.
Other names for Gangstalking
There are many names for this form of harassment, it would also now seem that Gang Stalking is a term that was invented as part of the disinformation campaign that the government is good at putting together while these harassment campaigns are running. Some of the more popular names for this form of harassment have been Cointelpro, Red Squads, and now with the new community based policing programs we have names coming up such as: Multi stalking, vengeance stalking, cause stalking, stalking by proxy, organised stalking, organised harassment, group stalking, community mobbing. These are the new names being given to a very old game, that is once again being played by the government on it's unsuspecting citizens.
Who gets targeted?
Gang stalking can happen to anyone, but it's being widely used on minorities, outspoken individuals, whistle blowers, dissidents, people who go up against large wealthy corporations, woman's groups, (single) women, anti-war proponents, and other innocent individuals. The majority of the targets are not aware this is happening to them and it continues for years. Even when a target moves, changes jobs, the harassment still continues. Every time the target moves, the government, or the local intelligence unit of the police will follow them around and start to spread the same lies, and slander to their new employers, coworkers, landlords, etc.
What are the goals of this campaign?
The goal is to isolate the target from all forms of support, so that the target can be set up in the future for arrest, institutionalisation, or forced suicide. Other goals of this harassment include sensitize the target to every day stimuli's as a form of control. These people also want to make the targets of this harassment vulnerable, they want to make them destitute. The secondary goals seem to be to make the target homeless, jobless, give them a breakdown, and the primary goals seems to be to drive the target to forced suicide, just like what they did with some of the targets of Cointelpro.
Who gang stalks?
People from all walks of life are being recruited to be the eyes and ears of the state. People from all races, ages, genders and walks of life. You have your garden variety snitches, you have general labourers, the very wealthy, biker, drug dealers, user, street people, punks, hip hop culture, KKK, black activists, church groups, youth groups, every sector of society that you can think of is a part of this. The ages range from five to eighty five and older.
The surprising thing is that gang stalkers can be found in every level of society. There is no real age barrier, gender barrier, and a variety of races do participate. In almost every occupation in society you can find people who are going along with this.
Gang stalking for some is seen as a game of cat and mouse. They see themselves as heroic spies for the state. Some are just power hungry slithering money hungry snitches, who would sell their mothers down the drain, much less innocent people. Other are asked and do it out of a sense of patriotic duty, others are forced to take part in the spying activity. Many do not understand or care that the end consequence of this game is to destroy a person.
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Why people take part?
There are many reasons that someone takes part in this activity.
1. Some do it for the sense of power that it gives them.
2. Others do this as a way to make friends and keep friends. It's something social and fun for them to do.
3. Other are forced or black mailed or forced by the State or the police into taking part.
4. They are told that they are part of homeland or national security and being used to help keep and eye on dangerous individuals.
5. Others are just local thugs or informants who are already being used for other activities, and their energies are just diverted over into these community spy programs. Eg. Some may be given the choice of Spying for the State or the police vs going to jail.
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Where does gang stalking occur?
This harassment occurs out in public, as well as in private. The goal of this modern day Cointelpro program is to have the target under stress 24/7. Once a person is chosen for this harassment the police or the state are quick to start an investigation into their lives. They will find out everything about a target. Where they live, who their friends are, their family, where they work, where they shop, their most intimate habits. Then they will try to get into every aspect, and I do mean every aspect of a targets life. They will even try to wiretap phones, link into cell phone signals, monitor Internet activity, divert mail and email. They hijack your life, they want you to feel like they are in charge of your life 24/7. They also want you to know this is going on, it's a way to psychologically immobilise and cripple a target. The people around you who you thought you could once trust, are forced to keep quite and often take part in this ritual of a thousand paper cuts that is designed to destroy the target over time.
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Techniques Used
A large part of this harassment involves psychological harassment of the targets. To achieve this a profile of the target is gathered and then a program of harassment is implemented using many of the methods below.
Brighting
As targets walk on the street, usually at night, Suburban Spies will turn on their high beams. This might be flashed once or twice at targets. The idea is to intimidate the target and let them know they are being watched at all times.
Crowding/Mobbing
When the target is in public, Suburban Spies will usually try to box the target in. Eg. They will surround the target in a square like formation if possible. They will stand too close to the target, or swarm them.
Directed Conversations
These are conversations that complete strangers will have out in public relating to the target and their personal situations. Eg. They will repeat things a target said in their home, or on the phone. They will let drop very personal details into the conversation, that could only be related to the target.
Eg. Suburban Spy1. It's a shame Uncle Ed won't be able to come.
Suburban Spy 2. Yeah since he died golfing on Saturday.
The target will just have learned of a death of a favored uncle, (possibly named Ed.) while out golfing.
Directed Energy Weapons
Electronic Harassment. Usually when they feel they have psychologically targeted a target to where they are near breakdown they will start to use these weapons. They will also use these weapons if targets are not going along with their harassment protocol.
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Investigation Files
It has been indicated that targets will have files shown to relatives, store keepers and friends. The files are usually not left behind, but they are used to show legitimacy and to further slander targets. They are also used to get the participation and corporation of the people in the targets life, with their harassment.
The files might have a picture of the target, and lies or slanderous information about some alleged crime that they might be responsible for. The information is not true, but it's usually very convincing and helps to further get targets harassed by those around them.
Gaslighting
Doing little things to try to make the target think that they are going crazy.
Coming into their homes, moving their furniture around.
Changing clothing that they bought and replacing it with similar, but inferior items.
Taking small items and then replacing them later on.
Gassing/Poisoning
Spraying fumes or scents into a targets home. Tampering their food to make them become very ill.
Illegal Entry
To gas light the target.
It's used to help profile the target.
To set up illegal surveillance.
It's a way to find out intimate details about the targets. This can be used later to set up the target by using people in photo albums, or by directed conversations about things in the targets apartment.
Illegal Surveillance
This involves setting up audio and visual surveillance of the target.
Bugging the targets phone, or using external listening devices.
Video surveillance inside or most likely outside of the targets residence
Listening to cell phone and hard line conversations.
Hacking into their computers and learning all about what the target is doing, sites they frequent.
This also helps to build a profile of the target, and it's also used for later psychological attacks against the target.
Illuminating Targets
This is something that the East German Statsi secret police did to targets. They would spray the targets clothing with materials that would make them glow, or they would irradiate the targets with X-rays so that they glowed in the dark.
There are harmful and harmless chemicals that will achieve this effect.
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Intimate Infiltration
This is where Suburban Spies will go out of their way to get into a targets life. They will try to form friendships with targets. They will try to form intimate relationships with targets.
They will get close to people that are affiliated with targets. Years before the target ever realises they are targets they will try to get into a targets life.
Eg. If they can't get into your life, but you have a best friend, their new significant other might just be a Suburban Spy. The same goes for siblings and the people that enter their lives.
Isolation
For this harassment to be successful, it's important to be able to isolate the target from friends, family members, co-workers and even spouses. To accomplish this isolation many methods are used included, but not limited to: slander, lies, files, sabotage, anything that will get the target into a situation where they have no support system. This is important for this Cointelpro like harassment to succeed.
Mail and Email tampering
Suburban Spies will steal your mail. They will delay the delivery of your mail, and they will also make sure that your mail does not arrive. The other thing they are known for is the tampering of email. They will delay email, delete email, and stop email that you have sent from arriving
Mimicking
This is trying to copy things in a targets life.
Leaving when they do.
Dressing like they dress.
Throwing out the garbage
Going to the bathroom
Doing whatever the target is doing.
This is all designed to be psychological warfare, so that the target again feels like they are under observation at all times.
Profiling
Targets will be observed and profiled long before they ever become aware that they are targeted for this sort of harassment. Profiles will be created on targets by:
Following them.
Following people close to them.
Breaking into their homes and going through their stuff.
Listening to their calls.
Hacking into their computers.
Gathering information from friends, and family.
Seeing where they like to shop and eat.
What are their weaknesses?
What things do they like and dislike?
This will all be used to put together a profile of the target and then to get them into situations for their detriment.
Random Encounters
This will be people on the street who you randomly and unexpectedly run into. It looks completely natural and it seems to be a random encounter.
They might ask for your phone number after engaging you in conversation. Ask you out, or just ask you where you are going. Anything from small talk to lengthier conversations.
All with the purpose of finding out something about you, or even just getting you to do something.
Ruined Relationship
When targets are in a relationship, the Suburban Spies will try to ruin that relationship. This could be friendships, family or significant others.
If it's a romantic relationship, they will find out what your significant other likes and try to get them to cheat, or leave you.
If it's a friendship they will tell lies to come between you. The same goes for family. This is done so that targets will have no means of support, once they do realise that something is going wrong in their lives.
Sensitization
This is getting targets sensitive to an everyday stimuli. Eg. Colors, patterns or everyday actions. Eg. Red, stripes, pens, whistles, loud coughing, clapping, waves, keys jingling.
Eg. Joe will be mobbed at work and as part of that daily mobbing his coworkers will loudly cough at him every time they harass him by calling him names like loser, worthless, lame, demented. They will slander him and have others as they are slandering him show disgust by glaring and coughing at him.
Out in public they will follow him loudly and obnoxiously coughing at him. When he goes to stores they will get others to do the same. After months or years of this, Joe has become sensitive to this stimuli and it can be used to harass him without the names and the glaring looks. The association has been formed because of all the other harassment.
Eg. A girl is sexually assaulted and a sock is shoved in her mouth , during the assault. To keep her quite or stop her from pressing charges, the assailant, his friends and family will follow her around and throw socks in her path, mention it everywhere she goes and show her their socks every chance they get. She will get the message they are sending. Because of the brutal attack, she and what's happened after she is now sensitised.
Signals/Symbols
It has been said that Suburban Spies in some states will have gang decals on their cars and trucks.
They will also communicate with each other on the street by using Statsi like signals. Below are some examples. SIGNALS FOR OBSERVATION
1. Watch out! Subject is coming - touch nose with hand or handkerchief
2. Subject is moving on, going further, or overtaking - stroke hair with hand, or raise hat briefly
3. Subject standing still - lay one hand against back, or on stomach
4. Observing Agent wishes to terminate observation because cover threatened - bend and retie shoelaces
5. Subject returning - both hands against back, or on stomach
6. Observing Agent wishes to speak with Team Leader or other Observing Agents - take out briefcase or equivalent and examine contents.
The new breed of stalkers will use signals that might be based on a one handed sign language called talking hands used by the police. They will use signals like the double blink to say that they under stand. Squeesing the nose to say I know, or for pointing and directional signal, touching the eyes to indicate they are on watch or to watch the target, brushing the hair back three times, or covering the mouth or pretending to yawn, to begin communication.
Slander
They will go behind the targets back and tell lies about them. Often the lies will consist of the target being into something illegal, or is someone dangerous, or just needs to be watched for some vague reason. This was used in Cointelpro and it was very effective in ruining the lives of many targets.
Eg. The they will say the target is crazy, a terrorist, drug dealer or user, a prostitute, gay, racist, pedophile, etc.
Sleep Disturbance
Depriving the target of sleep is a really good way of leaving the target stressed out. It's also a way of leaving them dioriented and functioning at less than 100%. Then the targets can be baited into reacting in public, or getting into a car accident.
Strange Encounters or Street Theatre
This is running into people that are acting very unusual, or people that are putting on a show or production, known as street threater.
Eg. This could be as minor as public rudeness, or people acting out a skit or skits for your benift. There will usually be someone near by to see how you react to it. This is again looking for weakness or reactions. If you show an adverse reaction they will try to embelish on this and use it against you later on.
Telephone Redirects
When you make a telephone call, get the name and ID of the person that you are speaking to. Suburban Spies have been known to redirect phone calls. This means that when you dial a number they will intercept that phone call and pretend to be the service or repair person you were trying to call. Eg. If you call the cable company, gas or phone company be sure you know that it's actually them that you are speaking to.
Theft
Breaking into a targets home and taking small iteams, usually nothing of value. However there are exceptions to every rule. Suburban Spies will usually try to see what they can get away with.
Tracking
The targets are tracked by various methods.
Targets are tracked on foot by foot soldiers.
They are tracked in their cars.
Targets can be tracked by using their cell phones. If their cell phone number is know, there are Internet programs that will track a target to within a few feet.
GPS tracking on their cars and laptops. These are all ways that targets are tracked where they go and their activities monitored.
Vandalism
If the target owns property this can be as simple as broken door handles, knobs, to actual slashing of tires. They will also break in and do small damage to items the target owns. Eg. If you buy a new sweater, they might break in and cut holes in it. Holes in undergarments.
If you go to a store to get a repair done check for damages. This goes for boots, and coats. Eg. Zippers and the heals of long heeled boots.
Wrong Number Calls
Targets will daily get wrong number calls. These can be automated or they can be persons pretending to be wrong number calls. Suburban Spies will use this as a way to annoy targets, but they will also use this as a way to keep in constant contact with their targets. They want to know where the target is at all times.
Effects of Cointelpro, Red Squad, Community Policing, gang stalking.
1. The target become hypersensitive, and yes in many cases paranoid. They can not understand how so many people could be doing this. The idea after all is to make them seem crazy when they try to get help, or tell others this is happening to them.
2. Targets become depressed and isolated, which is the key goal. If you don't isolate the target it can not work.
3. Targets becomes sensitised to stimuli. Colors, patters, noises, actions, etc.
Targets have their reputations ruined and destroyed due to slander campaigns, which are a big part of the harassment protocol. They want the targets credibility to come into question. The target apparently is unaware, but everyone else gets in on the action.
Fighting the new Cointelpro and Red Squads, AKA. Gang Stalking
Like other forms of harassment, it comes down to the what can I get away with factor. Here are some things that you can do to fight or bring awareness to the issue of gang stalking.
1. Write an article of share your story about the new Cointelpro.
2. Educate yourself and those around you about Cointelpro and Red Squads. 3. The more people that know the better. Many members of society participate in this, without realising what they are really being a part of.
4. We need to get laws in place to fight this type of harassment.
5. Do not go along with this Cointelpro activity. Try to find ways to help the target.
6. Educate others that Cointelpro is wrong. Red Squads are police harassment. 7. Have open discussions about Cointelpro, Red Squads, Community policing and harassment.
8. Cointelpro is illegal, even when the police won't help, it's still illegal.
Take action on the new Cointelpro and the reemerging Red Squads for yourself and other targets.
9. We need local news paper articles, online articles.
10. We need postings on forums and other places of popularity.
11. Email awareness.
12. We need flyer's.
13. We need websites, making as many people aware of this as possible.
14. We need law suits period.
15. We need support from community based organizations worldwide.
16. People need easy access to their freedom of information records.
There are many resources on the Internet and elsewhere about this form of harassment.
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1. Ward Churchill, Jim Vander Wall "Cointelpro Papers"
2. Protectors of Privilege: Red Squads and Police Repression in Urban America
3. Gloria Naylor. "1996"
4. Victor Santoro "GASLIGHTING How To Drive Your Enemies Crazy "
5. Stephen Knight "The Brotherhood"
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My Experience of being Gang Stalked in London
19.05.2007 22:23
I wish to share with you my experiences at the hands of extremist right here in the UK and is presently ongoing. Some years ago I was working at a firm of chartered surveyors. In my role as an asset management surveyor, I was tasked to act on behalf of landlords of properties in London. The landlords were often pension fund institutions, investment firms and corporations that employed our firm to manage the leases and maintenance of these properties. One day my supervisor instructed me to make contact in person with the office manager of El Al's administrative offices in Oxford Street. Other lease holders in the property were complaining that the security staff of the El Al offices were going into their demised spaces after office hours and defecating and abusing their female worker's belongings such as cardigans, toiletries and seating as well as the women's WC.
My employer and I realised the sensitivity of this situation and opted not to issue a formal written warning to spare embarrassment to the Israeli national airlines, but to have a discrete chat with the office manager to quietly resolve the matter. On my arrival at the offices I meet the manager and made it clear that the situation was appalling and criminal and that if the police were informed it would reach the press. He was very professional and understood the matter was intolerable and he would take action. As I left the building and made my journey to Oxford Street, a vehicle pact with men whom I recognised as some of the security staff from the El Al offices roared to screech beside me and turned into the road I was about to cross. They were all looking closely at me in a hostile and intimidating manner.
For a time I knew I was followed around by the same individuals in the car often turning up in my neighbourhood or being in the same nightclub or restaurant I frequented but it dwindled off. In the last couple of years I started dabbling in a bit of blogging and writing on all sort of current affairs issues on the internet. One of the sites I wrote in is Ohmynews, a Korean sponsored international citizen journalist web site. I took part in the "Talkback" section and the commentary section where up on I had a number of heated debates with Israelis and Americans. Topics we discussed ranged from their opinions of all Muslims to the shelling of the Palestinian family on a Gaza beach. Of course I took great pains to be factual, incised their sweeping statements and justified my opinion in context with historical and legal precedents and often demolishing their arguments.
One day my computer crashed and was permanently inoperative and I took it to a work colleague who is proficient with computers. He managed to access the dos files and the bios where he found an encrypted programme running in a partitioned section of my hard drive sweeping all the data on my laptop. My colleague said that he had never seen anything like it and that it appears like some sort of "data sucking" programme that uploads information to a remote site when the laptop is connected onto the internet.
Some weeks later I noticed that I have been followed everywhere I go whether on foot or by car. Lately the following has gotten so extreme that cars tailgate with drivers openly speaking into walkie-talkies and at supermarkets where individuals with heavy duty black earpieces saunter up to my shopping carts and note what I am purchasing and walk away. Even if I look at an article on a shelf, these individuals trip over themselves to look at what I have touched.
There are largely two groups that tail me every where; the first clearly professional or university student age, clean cut and white and if in a vehicle it is often high end or rental. The second group seem to be made up of Thai looking individuals and Central to Southern Africans both clearly incongruous in their cars and clothes. A few months ago, colleagues from my previous place of work invited me to a meal near Baker Street; on my journey home, in the tube, I noted a group of four men suddenly surround me in a relatively clear platform and they fell in step. As we approached the exit, one rushed in front of me and came to a stop while the other reached into his pocket and tried to barge into me. The other two formed a screen. I quickly spun around to escape the sudden convergence of bodies and escaped to another exit. Frighteningly they all followed me until I headed for a crowd. I noted the upset look on their faces and they seemed to have a striking resemblance to the El Al security staff.
Lately the following around has taken a life of its own and has developed into harassment with my car regularly damaged and the windows of my house broken. I realised that I was facing some sort of stalking and was horrified to discover that the treatment I am being subjected to is well known phenomenon known as 'cause stalking' or 'gang stalking' and it is akin to Nazi Germany's Jew Baiting. Of course I have approached the police who found the allegation incredible. With persistence and approaches I have made to the press the police appear to be reluctantly taking an interest. Photographs and car registration numbers amongst other privately collected evidence has been submitted to the my local police CID office.
Other steps I have taken include securing support from my community, who believe me whole heartedly, and who have informed me that other Somalis have been subjected to this kind of harassment. It seems to our elders that someone or some group is selectively harassing males of our community to stoke up some kind of reaction. Since I was brought up in the UK and see myself as British, I have not lived within the community and live a basically British lifestyle. I believe the harassment is a product of the situations I have described previously but others have been induced to target me in line with the grief being brought on other Somalis.
The harassment I face manifests itself distinctly and appears to be a strongly defined methodology which happens all the time I step out of the door.
Techniques used by Gang Stalkers
a) Classical conditioning.
Getting a target sensitised to an everyday stimuli. The target over a period of months, or even years is negatively sensitised to an everyday stimuli, which is then used to harass them. It's used out in public to let them know they are constantly being harassed and monitored. Some examples of everyday stimulus that might be used include: sounds, colours, patterns, actions. Eg. Red, white, yellow, strips, pens clicking, key jangling, loud coughing, loud whistling, loud smacking of clapping of hands together, etc. I my case mobile phones are used. The stalker will look me dead in the eyes, slowly reach into a pocket or bag produce the phone and aim it at me like a gun and then put it away. This is the product of a long period of a neurolinguistic manipulation tried against me for sometime, I might say without success. A mobile phone was usually produced in the programming period in the fashion I describe then something bad would happen such as being barged into or my car shunted from behind if parked or insulted by a stranger.
b) 24/7 Surveillance
This will involve following the target everywhere they go. Learning about the target. Where they shop, work, play, who their friends and family are. Getting close to the target, moving into the community or apartment where they live, across the street. Bugging targets phone, house, and computer activity.
c) Isolation of said target.
This is done via slander campaigns, and lies. Eg. People in the targets community are told that the target is a thief, into drugs, a prostitute, paedophile, crazy, in trouble for something, needs to be watched. False files will even be produced on the target, shown to neighbours, family, store keepers. Attempts of this had been made against me with limited success. Often people who know me or individuals at places I frequent have given me cctv footage or descriptions of the perpetrators who try to slander me.
d) Noise and mimicking campaigns.
Disrupting the targets life, sleep with loud power tools, construction, stereos, doors slamming, etc. Talking in public about private things in the targets life. Mimicking actions of the target. Basically letting the target know that they are in the targets life. Daily interferences, nothing that would be too overt to the untrained eye, but psychologically degrading and damaging to the target over time. In my case I have not noticed this since London is quite noisy anyway and I know whom to contact after years of working for local authorities the moment a perp attempts this tactic. For a time, pebbles were thrown over the roof of my house in the middle of the night until I installed cctv cameras.
e) Everyday life breaks and street theatre.
Flat tires, sleep deprivation, putting rubbish on targets property. Mass strangers doing things in public to annoy targets. These strangers might get text messaged to be at a specific time and place, and perform a specific action. These incidents have happened often with a number of individuals saying "mud" or displays of mobiles in a processional manner as a number of individuals walk passed.
I know you will say that all I have said is improbable or even expensive particularly if it is all to target an individual. Well, I would argue that this is a kind of network and I strongly suspect that I am not the only one being targeted; after all, haven't Animal Rights activists employed the same tactics against anyone associated with animal testing until the UK government employed the full weight of MI5 to bust these gangs. The harassers appear to be well practised and know what they are doing. I normally can tell the newer ones apart due to their gleefully excited and hesitant manner. Regardless, my contempt for these all these stalkers has no depth and every action they commit against me is an indictment against their own lack of decency.
Regards,
Adil
Adil
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20.05.2007 11:35
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An 11 year account of gang stalking and directed energy weapons harassment
03.06.2008 07:46
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Gang Stalking
16.01.2011 18:06
Keep up the great work!!!
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08.10.2011 17:41
They promote criminality! A.
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Gangstalking
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Not to mention...
03.01.2016 20:19
I would rather be dead than to act as these people do.
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