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Peace movement enters a New Phase

A 15 minute video documenting the demonstration in London on Saturday 15th March. This is a video of what the people had to say...

Please watch the video and if you agree with the sentiment of the video, please show your support for global peace and spend maybe 5 minutes forwarding it / facebooking it / blogging it etc with your friends and contacts...

...we are the media now...we want this to be seen by at least 500,000 people from around the planet!

we, the people of the uk do not want this war

thank you for your support

paul

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A new phase

20.03.2008 00:10

The "new phase"... from ineffectiveness to ultra-ineffectiveness

huh?

Missing Flash Video Attachment

20.03.2008 00:40

The video isn't attached because .flv wasn't a Mime type that this site supported, I have just changed that (I think) so please try uploading it again with a comment, sorry about that.

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new phase

20.03.2008 15:19

if you want this video to be seen by people, putting it somewhere like YouTube might be a little more effective.

also: new phase? please elaborate.

rasputin

Fuck this

20.03.2008 20:23

Nothing new, the anti-war movement is impotent, it's uncapable to stop this war, and it's just repeating the same rehtoric, by the same idiots (Tony Benn and Galloway mainly). I am so pissed off with them, they just want to have a tour round London every once in a while, fuck them, the anti-war , movement is impotent beacuse of the leadership of the StWC the Socialist Worker Part. fuck them, they have stuards actually preventing people from doing the only thing that could be effective in stoping this, which is rioting and invading parliment, or going on loads of direct action, they sell us off for the slick image, they have no intension of stopping the war, and the war will only stop when it stops being profitable, the same shit that happened in Vietnam, then we can all give ourselves a pat on the back and say "we stopped the war" fuck the StWC, fuck those liberal wankers, they are the really enemies of peace, they just want an image for a political party modeled movement, we need a radical movement, those marches need to be replaced by riots, and the politicians that brought this about should be hanged, including Benn and Galloway, nothing new under the sun, and nothing will change.
No point voting with your feet, only molotovs work in a revolution!

None

If only...

20.03.2008 21:39

a small fraction of those who talked about direct action actually went out and did it. Stop sitting on your arses and ask why STWC/SWP are not organising it for us.

plunk

DI-fucking-Y

21.03.2008 10:46

the socialist workers party and the stop the war coalition didn't fall from the sky with a divine mandate to lead the anti-war movement. no leader can lead unless their followers follow.

you've got a problem with them, do something effective, organise with others to do something effective, and they become utterly irrelevant. sitting around bitching about how the SWP sold us out gets us absolutely fucking nowhere, but provides a nice conscience booster - it's no longer that "we" (collectively, those who oppose the war) failed to stop it, it's all about "them" fucking us over.

rasputin

Arrestable

23.03.2008 10:03

That conscience booster thing applies to all groups. We didn't just fail to stop the war one day many years ago, we are still failing to stop the war each and every day. The best action of the war imo was the Raytheon action, and seemingly three of them are SWP according to Cairon on a thread below. That means six of them aren't. She says the SWP aren't supporting the defendents, and there has been little said about that action here. She speculated that the lack of SWP support is to discourage more SWP actions. That's a good reason for us to support it, or at least try to top it by learning from it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
You have to treat people from any group, even the BNP, as individuals when you can, when they aren't blindly following a party line. I mean, people get talked out of the BNP. And the SWP aren't as bad as the BNP. The SWP are tiny compared to us, they have undue influence but that doesn't mean we shouldn't learn lessons from the Raytheon action or support it's defendents.

'those marches need to be replaced by riots,'

Riots are for people who were too uncool to have been in gangs when they were children. Kicking a cop to relieve your own macho frustration or boost your social life, or trashing a franchised burger king isn't as brave or worthwhile as destroying one tiny part of the war machine.

' and the politicians that brought this about should be hanged, including Benn and Galloway'

Galloway isn't worth killing, and anyway he is so greasy he'd slip through the noose. Tony Benn doesn't warrant killing for anything he has done or said in the past ten years at least. Hilary Benn deserves to face charges for genocide though - all the government and all politicians who backed this war should. They have the death penalty for genocide in Iraq so there is a legal argument that Hilary Benn should hang.

Danny

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